From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Wed Sep 9 17:23:50 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 16:23:50 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day Message-ID: Dear All, I've finally got provisional confirmation that we will have a pitch in the Market square for a Software Freedom day event on the morning of 19th September (next Saturday). For those of you who haven't been to one of these events previously it's a really fun morning where we grab people coming to the market and give out free CDs and tell them all about linux / open source software. Once people figure out that you're not trying to sell them anything they're usually really receptive to the idea. Can I please therefore ask you to upgrade the pencil notes in your diaries to pen, and to reply to this message to let me know if you can come along to help and what times you can make. We normally run the stall from a bit before 9am until ~1pm. I can supply tables plus a gazebo if the weather's not great, but I'll need help throughout the morning, and especially when setting up / taking down the stall. Things we have already: A few (very brightly coloured) t-shirts (first come first served!) Various stickers / posters / badges A load of ubuntu CDs A few balloons Things which would be good to have: A few laptops running linux for demonstration purposes Any other linux based hardware to display More balloons (preferably helium filled!) Any relevant posters to brighten the place up A load of OpenDisc discs (http://www.theopendisc.com/). We had some of these last year and they went like hot cakes - I'll happily burn a load, but if others could do some too that would be great. Leaflets explaining opensource (I've got the one from last year which I can update, but if anyone knows of any good sources or wants to write something that would be good). Anything else people can think of... If you can help out with any of these items please shout. Hopefully we can get enough people to turn out to make this years event as successful as it has been for the last couple of years. TTFN Simon. From onepoint at starurchin.org Wed Sep 9 22:59:50 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 21:59:50 +0100 Subject: OK, that's it, I'm switching to Windows :-) Message-ID: <20090909205950.GD15349@omphalos.singularity> I'd hate to miss out on the fun! http://notnews.today.com/2009/09/04/microsoft-arranges-spontaneous-house-parties-for-windows-7-launch/ Jeremy Henty From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Mon Sep 14 14:32:19 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:32:19 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom day [This Saturday] Message-ID: Thanks to those of you who have volunteered to help at the Software Freedom day event this Saturday. For those who haven't replied, it's not too late! We still have more free t-shirts than volunteers, and more hands would definitely be useful. As a member of a LUG this is likely to be your best chance this year to get someone new involved with Linux and free software in general. You don't have to be there all morning - just come for as long as you can make and it will really help. If you know of anyone not in the CLUG who might be interested in this then please pass the details on to them. The stall will be up from 9am - 1pm in front of the Guildhall in the market place in Cambridge. If you think you might be able to help out then please reply and let me know (but we're not going to turn you away if you turn up on the day!). I hope to see some of you on Saturday. TTFN Simon. From wawrzek at gmail.com Sat Sep 19 23:50:47 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:50:47 +0100 Subject: To user of O2 and potential other ISPs Message-ID: Hi, If you are using O2 broadband please check following website: http://www.jibble.org/o2-broadband-fail/ Clients of other ISPs might be affected as well. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Sat Sep 19 23:58:19 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:58:19 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day Message-ID: just wanted to say a big thankyou to everyone who turned up at the market square today to help out with the Software Freedom day event. We had a bit of a slow start, but we ended up handing out the bulk of the 200+ CDs we came with and many of the people we spoke to were receptive to the idea of free software, and several were seriously considering switching over to Linux. We also got a few people who were already using Linux and were happy to hear that there was a LUG in the area. All in all a good morning's work from all concerned (and it didn't rain!). Thanks again Simon. From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Sun Sep 20 00:03:49 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:03:49 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website Message-ID: At the software freedom day event today it was pointed out that out website (http://www.cambridge-lug.org/) is still really out of date and hasn't been updated in ages. Since pretty much all the activity for the group happens on the mailing list the consensus amongst those present was that a small static page giving some basic details about the LUG and how to get to the mailing list would be a more appropriate page to have up than what we now have. I've therefore had a go at putting together such a page. As you can see it's pretty minimal, but is hopefully welcoming enough to attract new people onto the list. I've temporarily put my attempt up at: www.proteo.me.uk/clug/ ...comments are welcome. TTFN Simon. From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 00:19:21 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:19:21 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/9/19 simon andrews (BI) : > ?just wanted to say a big thankyou to everyone who turned up at the market square today to help out with the Software Freedom day event. [...] > > All in all a good morning's work from all concerned (and it didn't rain!) I would say Again! - God (or gods) favours our cause :) Short list of things not to forget next year: - prepare Open Disk for Mac - maybe it's Cambridge Genius Loci, but more people seems to have Mac than Windows; - have good balloons for children (even Tesco are fine); Sweets are also fine. Anything else? It will be nice to have install part week after Freedom Software Day. To say people. Do you have any problem, we are here and here next Saturday. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From dom at latter.org Sun Sep 20 01:35:27 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 01:35:27 +0200 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AB56ABF.9070106@latter.org> simon andrews (BI) wrote: We seem to have this conversation regularly... > I've therefore had a go at putting together such a page. > > www.proteo.me.uk/clug/ Excellent. Some suggestions (hey, I'm a techie, I'm supposed to quibble): "used on everything from Desktop PCs and servers to toasters" not forgetting supercomputers, Google, etc. Which does raise the question - what's the audience? I'd be tempted to slip in "you already use Linux - you just don't know it". I'd surmise that most Linux users will just go ahead and sign up anyway; therefore the gloss should be aimed at the typical PC user. Also how about something like: "you don't have run Linux on your PC to join. We're happy to help people get to grips with Open Source alternatives like the _Firefox_ web browser, the _Thunderbird_ email program, and the _OpenOffice_ applications suite - even if you use Windows". [1] [2] "Equally if you are an experienced user looking to swap advice with your peers, then you are of course welcome. No question is too esoteric." "If you're interested in running Linux but don't want to change your current setup - no problem: simply download _Ubuntu_ or _Puppy_ to a CD and run it in 'demo' mode, without changing your current system in any way". "Using Linux is about choice: choosing a reliable and virus-free way of running your computer, and then choosing exactly how you want it to behave, rather than letting a multi-million dollar software company tell you. Sometimes there are so many choices that you need advice: that's where we come in". I realise that the above contains a fair amount of my own personal philosophy which may not be shared by everyone here. Is it over the top? It's very important to shy away from "religion": nobody likes being told that they're stupid because they still run Windows... Lastly: "people from Cambridge" - perhaps "connected to Cambridge"? I am not from Cambridge, and these days I spend most of my time elsewhere. But I'm still a Cluggy. And really really lastly - it could probably be tarted up a bit with some judicious CSS. It's the sort of webpage *I* like - clean, fast, minimal - but I'm not the typical user. I use Linux. [1] Which I hope reflects the attitude of the group as a whole. [2] Underscores indicate links, if that needs explaining. From paul at the-hug.org Sun Sep 20 10:28:01 2009 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:28:01 +0100 Subject: To user of O2 and potential other ISPs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AB5E791.7020504@the-hug.org> On 19/09/09 22:50, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > If you are using O2 broadband please check following website: > > http://www.jibble.org/o2-broadband-fail/ > > Clients of other ISPs might be affected as well. Good work by the author. I think I would have given up long before he finally got a result from O2. -- Paul From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Sun Sep 20 11:21:52 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 10:21:52 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: <4AB56ABF.9070106@latter.org> References: , <4AB56ABF.9070106@latter.org> Message-ID: simon andrews (BI) wrote: > > I've therefore had a go at putting together such a page. > > > > www.proteo.me.uk/clug/ > Dom Latter [dom at latter.org] wrote > Excellent. > > Some suggestions (hey, I'm a techie, I'm supposed to quibble): > > "used on everything from Desktop PCs and servers to toasters" > not forgetting supercomputers, Google, etc. Which does raise > the question - what's the audience? I'd be tempted to slip in > "you already use Linux - you just don't know it". Fair enough - I've expanded the range a bit! > I'd surmise that most Linux users will just go ahead and sign up > anyway; therefore the gloss should be aimed at the typical PC user. I suspect that anyone ending up on that page was probably looking for us anyway. Our main job would be to not put them off! > Also how about something like: > I realise that the above contains a fair amount of my own personal > philosophy which may not be shared by everyone here. Is it over the > top? It's very important to shy away from "religion": nobody likes > being told that they're stupid because they still run Windows... I don't disagree with what you wrote, but I'm concious of trying to keep the front page as succinct as possible. I expanded the introductory paragraph along the lines you suggested. > Lastly: > "people from Cambridge" - perhaps "connected to Cambridge"? > I am not from Cambridge, and these days I spend most of my > time elsewhere. But I'm still a Cluggy. Now you're getting really picky :-) I changed it to people from 'around Cambridge' would seem to be generally true. > And really really lastly - it could probably be tarted up a bit > with some judicious CSS. It's the sort of webpage *I* like - > clean, fast, minimal - but I'm not the typical user. I use Linux. Maybe some animated gifs and a flash welcome screen? Something a bit more specific than 'judicious CSS' would be useful. It already has 91 lines of shining CSS - how many did you want? I make no claims to be a graphic designer, so if anyone has concrete suggestions for improvements (or better - patches!) then please feel free to get stuck in. I should stress that I'm not touting this as the best web pages we're ever likely to get - just something we can put in place which won't age and which will act as a placeholder until someone is willing to put the time/energy into putting something more comprehensive together. Simon. From darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk Sun Sep 20 11:33:07 2009 From: darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk (darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:33:07 +0000 Subject: Software Freedom Day Message-ID: Hi, So I only joined this mailing list yesterday, after emailing someone off of the Users list on your website, and I read about the plans to have a stall in cambridge to promote The SFD but no-one is here. I know I didnt mention to anyone that I would be helping out (due to my late joining) so maybe there wasnt enough volunteers and you gave up or something but I was expecting someone to be here. Not a rant, just wondering why I'm alone xD Jinux _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organise, edit, and share your photos. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090920/df04a4f8/attachment.htm From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Sun Sep 20 12:00:48 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:00:48 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ________________________________________ From: clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org [clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org] On Behalf Of darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk [darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk] Sent: 20 September 2009 10:33 To: clug at cambridge-lug.org Subject: Software Freedom Day Hi, > So I only joined this mailing list yesterday, after emailing someone off of the Users list on > your website, and I read about the plans to have a stall in cambridge to promote The SFD but no-one is here. Software Freedom Day was yesterday (Saturday), and we were in the Market Square all morning, in front of the Guildhall. We were in eye-wateringly bright green t-shirts, and I thought we were pretty hard to miss. Sorry you didn't find us, but the event definitely did go ahead. > I know I didnt mention to anyone that I would be helping out (due to my late joining) so maybe > there wasnt enough volunteers and you gave up or something but I was expecting someone to be here. >From the way you worded your mail it sounds like you came today (Sunday)? If so I commend your efforts, but unfortunately you might have been a bit late. SFD is an annual event so hopefully we will be repeating the event next year. In the mean time there are monthly meetings of the CLUG which we'd love to see you at. TTFN Simon. From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sun Sep 20 12:38:47 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:38:47 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090920103847.GB2952@weber> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 11:03:49PM +0100, simon andrews (BI) wrote: > I've therefore had a go at putting together such a page. As you can see > it's pretty minimal, but is hopefully welcoming enough to attract new > people onto the list. I've temporarily put my attempt up at: Great idea, but don't forget we've already got several of those, including my favorite: http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/ I suppose whoever can convince Thomas Horsten to give them access to the webserver wins. (I do believe I have access, but not write access to the web directory) Tom From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 13:55:37 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:55:37 +0100 Subject: Problem with wireless Debian/Ubuntu Server Message-ID: Hi, I've got problem with WPA2-PSK wireless on my Ubuntu LTS Server (8.04?). It's server so it's not using any NetworkManager or similar but Debian wrappers around wpa_supplicant [1]. I think that the problem is that somehow it create two keys (I don't have idea how) and the first one (default) is wrong. Last time I could force system to use second key, but I cannot now. I've also cannot find any option which can do this in /etc/network/interfaces. Any ideas? Wawrzek [1] http://wiki.debian.org/WPA -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From matt at darkotter.com Sun Sep 20 16:12:48 2009 From: matt at darkotter.com (Matthew Gadd) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:12:48 +0100 Subject: Problem with wireless Debian/Ubuntu Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <905ef2bb0909200712j42e7df2s2c5f96b04ca676f1@mail.gmail.com> I have an old computer I sometimes run as a server downstairs which I have set up on the home WPA2-PSK network. Give me 10 or 20 mins to start it up (it's sloooooowwww) and I'll check how I've done it, iirc I used some kind of settings in /etc/network/interfaces. We have a passphrase on our network - are you looking to use a passphrase or just an ASCII or HEX key? 2009/9/20 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : > Hi, > > I've got problem with WPA2-PSK wireless on my Ubuntu LTS Server > (8.04?). It's server so it's not using any NetworkManager or similar > but Debian wrappers around wpa_supplicant [1]. > > I think that the problem is that somehow it create two keys (I don't > have idea how) and the first one (default) is wrong. Last time I could > force system to use second key, but I cannot now. I've also cannot > find any option which can do this in /etc/network/interfaces. > > Any ideas? > > Wawrzek > [1] http://wiki.debian.org/WPA > -- > ?Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski ? ? ?vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN > ? ?Linux User #177124 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com > ?PhD in Quantum Chemistry ? ? ? ? ? ?WWW: http://wawrzek.name > ?MSc in Molecular Engineering ? ? ? ? ? JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Matthew Gadd hello at darkotter.com GPG: 85D8 4519 E52D 9E8B 3DDF 6867 E3E7 B658 94D5 9FB5 Blog: http://darkotter.wordpress.com/ From darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk Sun Sep 20 16:36:07 2009 From: darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk (darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:36:07 +0000 Subject: xD My Bad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hahahahaha, Sorry for my complaining, I was a day late xD _________________________________________________________________ MSN straight to your mobile - news, entertainment, videos and more. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090920/a96ebf45/attachment.htm From matt at darkotter.com Sun Sep 20 16:37:31 2009 From: matt at darkotter.com (Matthew Gadd) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:37:31 +0100 Subject: Problem with wireless Debian/Ubuntu Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <905ef2bb0909200737j3108606al31ca79f22f8c743a@mail.gmail.com> Right, on my old computer, I installed the standard Ubuntu 9.04 server version, then I checked wpasupplicant was installed (I think it already was). Then, I generated the hexadecimal key for our network from the passphrase, so I ran: wpa_passphrase "NETWORK_SSID" Then typed in the passphrase and pressed enter (I know you probably already knew this, just telling you in case). The hexadecimal key is the second 'psk=' line (not the one that's commented out) in the output. I then edited the entry for my wireless card in /etc/network/interfaces to this: iface wlan0 inet static address 192.168.1.159 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.1.1 wpa-ssid {NETWORK_SSID} wpa-psk {HEXADECIMAL_KEY} I then restarted the server, and it worked (hopefully it will for you too). Of course you'll want to change the address, netmask etc. lines to whatever is correct for your server, and replace the {NETWORK_SSID} and {HEXADECIMAL_KEY} with their respective values, I'm sure you get the idea. As I said this was on the ubuntu jaunty server, but I imagine it should work on the LTS version as well. 2009/9/20 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : > Hi, > > I've got problem with WPA2-PSK wireless on my Ubuntu LTS Server > (8.04?). It's server so it's not using any NetworkManager or similar > but Debian wrappers around wpa_supplicant [1]. > > I think that the problem is that somehow it create two keys (I don't > have idea how) and the first one (default) is wrong. Last time I could > force system to use second key, but I cannot now. I've also cannot > find any option which can do this in /etc/network/interfaces. > > Any ideas? > > Wawrzek > [1] http://wiki.debian.org/WPA > -- > ?Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski ? ? ?vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN > ? ?Linux User #177124 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com > ?PhD in Quantum Chemistry ? ? ? ? ? ?WWW: http://wawrzek.name > ?MSc in Molecular Engineering ? ? ? ? ? JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Matthew Gadd hello at darkotter.com GPG: 85D8 4519 E52D 9E8B 3DDF 6867 E3E7 B658 94D5 9FB5 Blog: http://darkotter.wordpress.com/ From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 17:43:32 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:43:32 +0100 Subject: Problem with wireless Debian/Ubuntu Server In-Reply-To: <905ef2bb0909200737j3108606al31ca79f22f8c743a@mail.gmail.com> References: <905ef2bb0909200737j3108606al31ca79f22f8c743a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/9/20 Matthew Gadd : > Right, on my old computer, I installed the standard Ubuntu 9.04 server > version, then I checked wpasupplicant was installed (I think it > already was). [...] > iface wlan0 inet static > ? ? ? ?address 192.168.1.159 > ? ? ? ?netmask 255.255.255.0 > ? ? ? ?gateway 192.168.1.1 > ? ? ? ?wpa-ssid {NETWORK_SSID} > ? ? ? ?wpa-psk {HEXADECIMAL_KEY} > It's exactly what is not working for me. I'm tempting to do it manually using iwconfig, but not sure how to use iwconfig and wpa2. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 18:19:52 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:19:52 +0100 Subject: Problem with wireless Debian/Ubuntu Server In-Reply-To: References: <905ef2bb0909200737j3108606al31ca79f22f8c743a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, [...] So I did what I had one last time iwconfig wlan0 key [2] dhclient3 wlan0 and this time it started to work. Anyway I think I'll raise the bug with ubuntu. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From robert at cantab.net Mon Sep 21 10:54:57 2009 From: robert at cantab.net (Robert Schumann) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:54:57 +0100 Subject: To user of O2 and potential other ISPs In-Reply-To: <4AB5E791.7020504@the-hug.org> References: <4AB5E791.7020504@the-hug.org> Message-ID: 2009/9/20 Paul Oldham > On 19/09/09 22:50, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > > > If you are using O2 broadband please check following website: > > > > http://www.jibble.org/o2-broadband-fail/ > > > > Clients of other ISPs might be affected as well. > > Very, very interesting. I have O2 broadband at home, and recently had occasion to want to investigate my router's settings, but none of the username/password combinations I recall using with the router worked. I ignored it because.... ...about 10 days ago my broadband went down. O2's solution to any problem is to send out a new router, which should be arriving today (hence I'm not too concerned about being locked out of my current router). It's helpful to know that the password is now set to the serial number. Odd thing is, BT is aware of a problem on my line which is interfering with ADSL, to do with a tree nixing the cable. O2's second line support didn't seem aware or willing to consider that this was not a router-related problem. Ah well. I guess they're too busy fending off support calls with the response "it meets our standards". Robert. > Good work by the author. I think I would have given up long before he > finally got a result from O2. > -- > Paul > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090921/766df095/attachment-0001.htm From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 19:09:35 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:09:35 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <126d63860909211009l6a1eb56ay2ae2db0877702e8e@mail.gmail.com> Woow! my Internet connection is back (that is until virgin media come to play with the green box again tomorrow and end up breaking it again). It was good too see everyone on Saturday. I really enjoyed it (despite the unnaturally early start :) and it has made me determined to make an effort to turn up to CB2 for meetings. Thanks Simon for doing a good job getting it organised. -- Drew Fitzsimmons From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 19:26:13 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:26:13 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <126d63860909211026y43861a6l2b663d82402a8344@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 11:03 PM, simon andrews (BI) wrote: > ...comments are welcome. I like it. In my opinion this is exactly what we need. It's simple, succinct, doesn't need much maintenance and (IMO) looks very good. It could, in future, include a link to a wiki (if such a wiki existed) which could be edited by any member of the LUG. -- Drew Fitzsimmons From alspnost at gmail.com Tue Sep 22 00:01:43 2009 From: alspnost at gmail.com (Alastair Stevens) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:01:43 +0100 Subject: To user of O2 and potential other ISPs In-Reply-To: References: <4AB5E791.7020504@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <4536e91b0909211501v508fb834x5cd5e5073bd9928e@mail.gmail.com> > ...about 10 days ago my broadband went down. O2's solution to any problem is > to send out a new router, which should be arriving today (hence I'm not too > concerned about being locked out of my current router). It's helpful to know > that the password is now set to the serial number. > > Odd thing is, BT is aware of a problem on my line which is interfering with > ADSL, to do with a tree nixing the cable. O2's second line support didn't > seem aware or willing to consider that this was not a router-related > problem. Ah well. I guess they're too busy fending off support calls with > the response "it meets our standards". Interesting - we had O2 broadband for over a year, and the service and speed was always excellent. I found the router to be an absolute miserable pig to configure "properly" though - it's designed for Harry Homeowner, which is fine, but for geeks it's simply terrible. I discovered eventually that manually hacking the config file and re-uploading it was massively quicker and more reliable (once you've figured out the format) - perhaps everyone else already does this? Then O2 slightly soured things by accusing me of not returning my router after terminating due to a house move - but later relented and admitted that they had received it. Now we're with BT (gulp), and I have to say that the broadband itself has been faultless (and equally fast); the general customer service is comically awful as usual, though. Sadly, the BT HomeHub router looks pretty but uses a noddy interface, and the config file is binary so can't be hacked manually :-( Never mind, got it working properly eventually. As for security, who knows? But there are only well-maintained Linux boxes on this network, so I won't panic too much :-) Cheers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From mark_w at techie.com Tue Sep 22 13:22:31 2009 From: mark_w at techie.com (Mark Wyatt) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:22:31 +0000 Subject: CLUG Website Message-ID: <20090922112231.86820326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> Sorry to send what is largely a 'me too' e-mail, but > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:03:49 +0100 > From: "simon andrews (BI)" ... > > At the software freedom day event today it was pointed out that out > website (http://www.cambridge-lug.org/) is still really out of date > and hasn't been updated in ages. > That has been pointed out over and over again, and what usually happens is that someone has an over-ambitious idea of what should be done, tries to force that through on their own and either fails directly, or does something that no one is happy with and is never used.... > Since pretty much all the activity for the group happens on the > mailing list the consensus amongst those present was that a small > static page giving some basic details about the LUG and how to get > to the mailing list would be a more appropriate page to have up > than what we now have. At one time, when the web page didn't seem so obviously out of date (and that _is_ a few years ago) there was probably more activity in the Sunday meetings, than on the mailing list. I wouldn't say that the website is the only cause of the collapse of the face-to-face meetings, but it may be a factor. > > I've therefore had a go at putting together such a page. As you > can see it's pretty minimal, but is hopefully welcoming enough to > attract new people onto the list. I've temporarily put my attempt > up at: > > www.proteo.me.uk/clug/ > > ...comments are welcome. In spite of the fact this is a brilliant effort, I would still quibble with the following: -previously there was a clearer acknowledgement that although the group was called a Linux group all of FLOSS, whether it was Firefox or a BSD, was within our ambit. -" from around Cambridge" that still doesn't cope with the point that many people who are resident in this area aren't _from_ Cambridge or even the surrounding area. All you really need to point out is that the meeting occurs in Cambridge (the UK bit is a vital point, though). -"Most of the activity of this groups happens on our mailing list." Well, it does now, but I don't think that you should pre-suppose that it always will. I'd prefer 'much' to 'most', as you probably wouldn't have to edit the website if things do change around, but you could just point out the mailing list. -"we regularly arrange informal..." This should be correct, but right now it would be closer to say "we irregularly arrange..." except for the "arrange" part, which, at the very least, is an unfulfilled ambition. I'm not sure that you should write "we irregularly don't arrange meetings..." though. It's unclear who that would help. :-) "Meetings are announced on the mailing list," "People use the mailing list to check out meetings" or something or "newcomers often use the mailing list to check out the next meeting". "the touble with Linux users" How dare you suggests that there is any touble with Linux users at all? They are clearly the most advanced form of sentient being and will be until the next kernel is released, when they will need upgrading! > Maybe some animated gifs and a flash welcome screen? Please, no. Well, not the flash bit, anyway. > > It will be nice to have install part week after Freedom Software Day. > To say people. Do you have any problem, we are here and here next > Saturday. > Now that's a very good idea for next year, but that's a long time off. Is there anything else that we should 'theme' an install day around? Like posters up around Cambridge colleges with an install day once every is back at colleges? >From: Tom Ellis >... >> I've therefore had a go at putting together such a page. As you can see >> it's pretty minimal, but is hopefully welcoming enough to attract new >> people onto the list. I've temporarily put my attempt up at: > >Great idea, but don't forget we've already got several of those, including >my favorite: > >http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/ > >I suppose whoever can convince Thomas Horsten to give them access to the >webserver wins. (I do believe I have access, but not write access to the >web directory) > >Tom I don't think that a wiki is in any way a bad thing, but my impression is that it would take more hassle to get everyone to agree to a the principle of a wiki than just to change the existing static web page. But, as I've pointed about before, as the existing page breaks Bruce Perens' rules for Linux Users Groups, I'd settle for anything that gets the info on the meetings correct. It would probably be best to have the minimal static front page, as is suggested, and link off to a wiki that could be more dynamic, but whether that will actually happen... The big thing, however, is that we need to put it in place. Without that it is just another attempt at updating the site which never happened. What has to happen now so that it can happen? And who will be responsible for updates once it has happened? Mark -- An Excellent Credit Score is 750 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Tue Sep 22 13:36:28 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:36:28 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: <20090922112231.86820326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090922112231.86820326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20090922113628.GA6422@weber> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:22:31AM +0000, Mark Wyatt wrote: > That has been pointed out over and over again, and what usually happens > is that someone has an over-ambitious idea of what should be done, tries > to force that through on their own and either fails directly, or does > something that no one is happy with and is never used.... The main problem seems to be actually getting access to the server. From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Tue Sep 22 13:41:30 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:41:30 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: <20090922113628.GA6422@weber> References: <20090922112231.86820326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> <20090922113628.GA6422@weber> Message-ID: On 22 Sep 2009, at 12:36, Tom Ellis wrote: > The main problem seems to be actually getting access to the server. We need to get in touch with Thomas Horsten. A quick bit of googling suggests the address listed on the website for him is still alive and that he's still in the area. I'd be happy to help out with updating the website if Thomas isn't able to find the time. It would probably be good if two or three people had access to the server to be able to make changes so we don't end up in this situation again. Does anyone know or have any contact with Thomas? Could you give him a nudge and see if he's willing to get this moving again? Thanks Simon. From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Tue Sep 22 13:03:30 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:03:30 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: References: <20090922112231.86820326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> <20090922113628.GA6422@weber> Message-ID: <4AB8AF02.2080400@jul17pri.co.uk> Simon Andrews wrote: > On 22 Sep 2009, at 12:36, Tom Ellis wrote: > >> The main problem seems to be actually getting access to the server. > > We need to get in touch with Thomas Horsten. A quick bit of googling > suggests the address listed on the website for him is still alive and > that he's still in the area. I will get in touch with him - been meaning to do that since the last flurry of emails on the subject Thanks, Julian From dom at latter.org Tue Sep 22 14:24:22 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:24:22 +0200 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: References: <20090922112231.86820326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> <20090922113628.GA6422@weber> Message-ID: <4AB8C1F6.8050205@latter.org> Simon Andrews wrote: > I'd be happy to help out with updating the website if Thomas isn't > able to find the time. It would probably be good if two or three > people had access to the server to be able to make changes so we don't > end up in this situation again. Alternatively get the nameservers changed to something under communal control (e.g. an account with everydns.net where the login details are known to three list members). Once that is done we continue to point the domain at Thomas's servers, if we want. But we won't have this problem of being locked out of our own domain. I'm sure that between us we have a number of properly-hosted webservers available. But get the domain DNS back under communal control and everything else can follow. From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Tue Sep 22 15:16:58 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:16:58 +0100 Subject: FS: 1U servers, CPUs and memory Message-ID: <4AB8CE4A.2000702@mansfield.co.uk> We recently went through a big upgrade cycle as we use java and the product needed more memory, and I thought CLUG members might be interested in hardware that's proven to work well with linux, and more importantly, heavily discounted! We're selling comprising servers (complete except for hard drives) and CPUs and memory left over after various upgrades. Please note the prices below *do*not* include VAT at 15%. Offers made should not include vat. Prices are a starting point, a "buy it now" if you like. Please make your offer along with the quantity, offers will be prioritised according to amount, quantity and whether you reply in HTML email. Cleared funds required before collection from Cambridge Science Park. Can pay cash, BACS or wire transfer, if you pay bu cheque we'd have to hold the goods until it clears. We don't have packaging unless stated. A formal VAT invoice will be raised for you by our accounts people. All equipment has been used, is sold as seen, some has manufacturer's warranty left but it would be you as buyer who'd be responsible for checking. You'd be welcome to check the serial numbers at the time of purchasing/collection. You'd also be welcome to test the equipment (e.g. boot servers) except the boxed CPUs, they came from working system and we are very confident they do work (and I'm pretty sure they are still in warranty). *** CPUs * Intel Xeon L5320 ?130+vat each = in full retail packs (box, heatsink/fan) previously used for L5420, all the same stepping level so you could buy matched pairs for dual CPU goodness. we have twelve. ?110+vat - without retail pack, no box, no heatsink/fan. * CPU: Intel core2duo e6700 ?110+vat in full retail pack, used (not overclocked), from upgrading a desktop. these aren't particularly common having a larger cache and higher clock speed. *** RAM - 2GB DDR2 ECC Reg 667MHz Kingston give these a lifetime warranty and we have retail packaging for pretty much all of them, hence price is relatively high compared to new. Note that being ECC Reg they probably won't work in domestic computers' motherboards so check compatibility. 4 of Kingston KVR667D2D8P5 - http://tinyurl.com/KVR667D2D8P5 (2GB DDR2 DIMM - dual rank 667MHz ECC Reg/Parity CL5) 20 of Kingston KVR667D2D4P5 - http://tinyurl.com/KVR667D2D4P5 (2GB DDR2 DIMM - dual-rank 667MHz ECC REG/Parity CL5) ?12+vat each *** servers All servers come with rail kit for 19" rack mounting, various random bracket accessories and an IEC c13-c14 power cable. The Tyans have serial port, twin gig e1000 intel, single 10/100m e100 intel, ps2 keyboard & mouse, rear and front usb ports, some random video chip onboard with VGA socket on the back, a PCI-X 64-bit riser, AHCI SATA non-raid works perfectly with linux. They're definitely not sh*t, we've had very very few problems with them and the motherboards probably still have warranty. We'd probably keep them if we could fit more memory, but that's what happens when you have java programmers! The M3291 management cards in the Tyans are free because we never made use of them and we can't provide any technical detail for their use nor can we even promise they work (although they probably do). Photos of a Tyan at http://www.flickr.com/photos/12629882 at N05/tags/tyan/ The Tyans came from Sentral, all have Sentral serial numbers apart from a couple bought as "bare-bones" to be cold spares that got built. The Supermicros were bought from Boston Micros. * Tyan 1U lower-spec server - no hard drives only one of these. ?160+vat Intel core2duo (E4300) 1.8GHz with 2GB of RAM built-in CD quality branded memory S5191G3NR motherboard: http://www.tyan.com/product_board_detail.aspx?pid=343 GT20 1U chassis with 4 hotswap SATA bays: http://www.tyan.com/archive/products/html/kgt20-500.html IEC mains, rail kit comes with FREE remote management card, * Tyan 1U intermediate server - no hard drives only two of these. ?175+vat Intel core2duo (E6600) 2.4GHz with 2GB of RAM built-in CD quality branded memory S5191G3NR motherboard: http://www.tyan.com/product_board_detail.aspx?pid=343 GT20 1U chassis with 4 hotswap SATA bays: http://www.tyan.com/archive/products/html/kgt20-500.html IEC mains, rail kit comes with FREE remote management card * Tyan 1U standard server - no hard drives twenty-five of these ?200+vat Intel core2duo (E6600) 2.4GHz with 8GB of RAM built-in CD quality branded memory S5191G3NR motherboard: http://www.tyan.com/product_board_detail.aspx?pid=343 GT20 1U chassis with 4 hotswap SATA bays: http://www.tyan.com/archive/products/html/kgt20-500.html IEC mains, rail kit comes with FREE remote management card * Supermicro PDSMI+ 1U servers - no hard drives we never found out why but these sometimes lock up when you reboot them, they run perfectly when power-cycled though. for this reason the price is sweeter than an equivalent Tyan. we have all the accessories that came with them - the plastic drive bay inserts and various rail adaptors and cable wotsits that I never found a use for! ?160+vat Intel core2duo (E6600) 2.4GHz with 4GB memory built-in CD generic/cheap memory PDSMI+ motherboard http://tinyurl.com/pdsmiplus Supermicro 1U chassis (as link, but black) http://tinyurl.com/qh46ce * Dell 1U server SC1425 - no hard drives just one of these ?150 single 3.2GHz Xeon (Pentium D type?) type SC1425 (two internal drive bays, two CPU slots one empty) build-in DVD 1GB RAM From mark_w at techie.com Thu Sep 24 12:49:12 2009 From: mark_w at techie.com (Mark Wyatt) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:49:12 +0000 Subject: CLUG Website Message-ID: <20090924104912.D30AE606865@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:41:30 +0100 > From: Simon Andrews > Subject: Re: CLUG Website > To: Cambridge LUG > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > > On 22 Sep 2009, at 12:36, Tom Ellis wrote: > > > The main problem seems to be actually getting access to the server. > > We need to get in touch with Thomas Horsten. A quick bit of googling > suggests the address listed on the website for him is still alive and > that he's still in the area. > > I'd be happy to help out with updating the website if Thomas isn't > able to find the time. It would probably be good if two or three > people had access to the server to be able to make changes so we don't > end up in this situation again. > > Does anyone know or have any contact with Thomas? Could you give him > a nudge and see if he's willing to get this moving again? > > Thanks > > Simon. > Well, while it is true that getting access to the server is how the problem presents itself, I am not convinced that this is the main problem or the root cause. Remember that usually when we have tried to do this in the past, while there has been general agreement that what we have now is not what we want, there has not been agreement on what we want instead. There has usually been someone in 'lone wolf' mode who has something (or is allegedly about to have something) that they think we ought to want, but there has been no widespread agreement that it is in detail what we actually want. In that circumstance, it is clear that the suggestion will have little positive support and may well have a strong element of passive resistance. Whether that is a factor, or not, but with that as a background, it is unclear how Thomas should arbitrate between competing interests who each have a version that should be instantiated in place of what is there now (he probably shouldn't be in that position, but we have no other gatekeeper). I am hoping that isn't a factor today, but it would be wise to clear that issue up for the future. It is probably fine when we have universal agreement on exactly what should be done, but this is a conclave of techies, so that isn't exactly the likeliest outcome. Err, or, at the very least, not all that quickly... -- An Excellent Credit Score is 750 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 13:14:57 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:14:57 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website References: <71C5056B-B910-4CD6-BA10-270331E8A157@proteo.me.uk> Message-ID: [Sending again from the account which is actually subscribed to the list] On 24 Sep 2009, at 11:49, Mark Wyatt wrote: >> Well, while it is true that getting access to the server is how the >> problem > presents itself, I am not convinced that this is the main problem or > the > root cause. > > Remember that usually when we have tried to do this in the past, > while there > has been general agreement that what we have now is not what we > want, there > has not been agreement on what we want instead. I'm sure this is an ongoing debate which can be had. My main reason for bringing this up again was the fact that what we actually have up now is out of date and flat out wrong. Whatever people's thoughts on the matter then at least putting up a simple (but accurate) holding page which points people to the mailing list would have to be an improvement. > There has usually been someone in 'lone wolf' mode who has something > (or is > allegedly about to have something) that they think we ought to want, > but there > has been no widespread agreement that it is in detail what we > actually want. > > In that circumstance, it is clear that the suggestion will have > little positive > support and may well have a strong element of passive resistance. Well, the general axiom in these situations is that code speaks louder than words. If the CLUG wants a more elaborate website then someone needs to step up and create it and be prepared to stand behind it and keep it maintained. If a few people have different ideas about what should happen then, since reaching a consensus about these things is almost impossible so have everyone put up a mockup of their site and we can take a poll among interested parties. If people aren't bothered enough about a proposal to do something themselves then that should influence the weight given to their opinions. In fact, this is in the finest tradition of open source. I may have strong opinions about how OpenOffice should work, but unless I'm providing patches or maintaining my own fork then who the hell is going to listen to me? > Whether that is a factor, or not, but with that as a background, it > is unclear > how Thomas should arbitrate between competing interests who each > have a version > that should be instantiated in place of what is there now (he > probably shouldn't > be in that position, but we have no other gatekeeper). I am hoping > that isn't a > factor today, but it would be wise to clear that issue up for the > future. At the moment I don't see much to arbitrate about. Noone has spoken up in favour of keeping the existing site. I've seen two options for a holding page, either of which I'd be happy to go with but heck we can hold a poll if we want to decide between them. Other than that noone has got stuck in and made anything. I'd love to see a richer web site but I'm not volunteering to do that. I'd happily support anyone else who did want to do so. Simon. From dom at latter.org Thu Sep 24 13:26:28 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:26:28 +0200 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: References: <71C5056B-B910-4CD6-BA10-270331E8A157@proteo.me.uk> Message-ID: <4ABB5764.6070201@latter.org> Simon Andrews wrote: > At the moment I don't see much to arbitrate about. Noone has spoken > up in favour of keeping the existing site. AFAIAC somebody can appoint themselves benevolent dictator of the CLUG site and I won't complain. But I think the main thing is getting the whois record updated to use name servers under communal control. From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Thu Sep 24 18:56:47 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:56:47 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: <4ABB5764.6070201@latter.org> References: <71C5056B-B910-4CD6-BA10-270331E8A157@proteo.me.uk> <4ABB5764.6070201@latter.org> Message-ID: <20090924165647.GA5585@weber> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 01:26:28PM +0200, Dom Latter wrote: > Simon Andrews wrote: > > At the moment I don't see much to arbitrate about. Noone has spoken > > up in favour of keeping the existing site. > > AFAIAC somebody can appoint themselves benevolent dictator of the CLUG > site and I won't complain. It turns out I *do* have write access to the CLUG web directories, so I have benevolently dictated that for the time being, the CLUG domain names will redirect to Joe Czucha's wiki. Edit and discuss away ... Tom From thomas at horsten.com Fri Sep 25 11:01:22 2009 From: thomas at horsten.com (Thomas Horsten) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:01:22 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> Hi Julian 2009/9/24 Julian Price : > Hi Thomas > > Our current inability to update the website is really holding CLUG back. I > think if we could update the site we could get meetings going again and > develop a really thriving group. > > Are you willing to give write access to me or anyone else? Do you need some > sort of consensus from the group? We could arrange a face-to-face meeting of > the group at CB2 and have a vote if that would help. There are and have been several members of the list, including people participatinig in this thread (right, Dom?) who have access to the server and can update the website. I am quite happy to give access to anyone who want to take on the job of maintaining the website. Regarding consensus please keep the discussion on the list (copied) and if I don't hear any objections I'll give you and/or whoever else wants to work with you access. I don't think a face to face meeting is needed for this although it would probably be good for the group anyway! What I think *is* needed is an idea of what we want for the site before someone just starts writing HTML or PHP. As always please copy me in directly on mails pertaining to this as I don't always get around to reading the list in a timely manner. Cheers Thomas From dom at latter.org Fri Sep 25 11:26:29 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:26:29 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> Thomas Horsten wrote: > There are and have been several members of the list, including people > participatinig in this thread (right, Dom?) who have access to the > server and can update the website. My apologies. I was under the impression that nobody had access to make changes, and that nobody was able to (easily) get hold of you. I still think that changing the nameservers to a communal everydns.net account would be a good idea. From thomas at horsten.com Fri Sep 25 12:31:56 2009 From: thomas at horsten.com (Thomas Horsten) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:31:56 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> Message-ID: <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> Hi Dom, 2009/9/25 Dom Latter : > My apologies. ?I was under the impression that nobody had access to make > changes, and that nobody was able to (easily) get hold of you. Sorry I thought you were one of those with access. Here's the list of people who currently have access. Please can we decide on who should be removed and added from that list: Jan M. Dziewulski Joseph Birr-Pixton Mark Roberts Tom Huckstep > I still think that changing the nameservers to a communal everydns.net > account would be a good idea. I never had much love for free DNS services. My server occasionally changes IP and I like to be able to update everything from one place. Cheers, Thomas From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Sep 25 12:36:17 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:36:17 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:31:56AM +0100, Thomas Horsten wrote: > Tom Huckstep NB that's me, and I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe Czucha's wiki. I can also do whatever else is necessary as the community decides. Tom From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Fri Sep 25 12:29:24 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:29:24 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ABC9B84.6080900@jul17pri.co.uk> Hi Thomas > Regarding consensus please keep the discussion on the list Yes, I posted that I was going to contact you, but I should have cc'd the list, good point. Thanks for donating your time and resources to maintaining CLUG. It is appreciated by me and I'm sure the rest of the group's participants. However, This year's website paralysis highlights the disadvantage of ultimate control over CLUG's domains being held by a single member. lug.org.uk exists to solve this problem. As well as providing hosting for websites and mailing lists, it has a process to pass control from one administrator to another, even if the old administrator is no longer contactable. http://lug.org.uk Would you consider transferring the CLUG domains to them if there was support among the group? Thanks, Julian From johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk Fri Sep 25 15:26:24 2009 From: johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk (Johnnie Ingram) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:26:24 +0100 Subject: Annotating chart in OOo calc Message-ID: <4ABCC500.1030202@moviestorm.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Afternoon chaps and chapesses. Not strictly a Linux question, but I think there's sufficient chance that somebody on this list will have domain expertise to help me. My question is simple: Am I going out of my mind, or is there no way to add annotations to a chart in OpenOffice.org Calc? Trying to convince a colleague to make the switch from MSOffice, and so far I have no response to his accusation that OOo can't do this. In all honesty, I only have his word that MSOffice can do it, since I haven't used it for a good six or seven years, but either way it seems like a weird omission. Cheers, Johnnie - -- ___________________ Johnnie Ingram Product Manager Short Fuze Limited ___________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkq8xPAACgkQ4J4LFInQ/fO1VQCeISQ/w+eE2U+K/l1wcTH1ECYS dI8AniOUhTTnhoIgq00ThrEa6op99uth =yQLh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If so then I usually do it by copy/pasting it into OO Draw and editing it there as a picture. Simon. From johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk Fri Sep 25 15:42:04 2009 From: johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk (Johnnie Ingram) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:42:04 +0100 Subject: Annotating chart in OOo calc In-Reply-To: <0940793F-6DCC-4885-8A55-F54A49D74153@bbsrc.ac.uk> References: <4ABCC500.1030202@moviestorm.co.uk> <0940793F-6DCC-4885-8A55-F54A49D74153@bbsrc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4ABCC8AC.2020902@moviestorm.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 25/09/2009 14:30, Simon Andrews wrote: > > On 25 Sep 2009, at 14:26, Johnnie Ingram wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Afternoon chaps and chapesses. >> >> Not strictly a Linux question, but I think there's sufficient chance >> that somebody on this list will have domain expertise to help me. My >> question is simple: >> >> Am I going out of my mind, or is there no way to add annotations to a >> chart in OpenOffice.org Calc? > > Do you just mean adding extra labels / arrows etc on top? If so then > I usually do it by copy/pasting it into OO Draw and editing it there > as a picture. > > Simon. > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org That would work as a kludge, I suppose. But what I'd ideally like to do is to preserve the tabular data in the spreadsheet. All I'm trying to achieve is to add a couple of balloon-like callouts at different points on my line graph, saying meaningless mutual backslapping things like "Here's where we started our new advertising campaign - look at the corresponding jump in sales" - explanations for specific points of data on the graph, basically. I can do it Draw (or by exporting to Inkscape or GIMP) but it seems bizzare that I can't do it without leaving OOo Calc. Google image search has given me a good example of what I'm after. The three callouts in yellow on this image are the sort of thing I'm trying to get: http://www.omnicharts.com/assets/images/welcome/chart.png Johnnie - -- ___________________ Johnnie Ingram Product Manager Short Fuze Limited ___________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkq8yKYACgkQ4J4LFInQ/fMVRQCfSb4XMb/E97rwEZaHjulFUZ1Y bssAoJzGlpWZ58hMevtPb1ZImIe9qA3a =hBb/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: johnnie_ingram.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 336 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090925/da508430/attachment.vcf From thomas at horsten.com Fri Sep 25 16:00:29 2009 From: thomas at horsten.com (Thomas Horsten) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:00:29 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4ABC9B84.6080900@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC9B84.6080900@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <5d932cdc0909250700tb28acddx88244288b536e8ca@mail.gmail.com> Hi Julian [reposting with reply-to-all, sorry for the mistake] 2009/9/25 Julian Price : > lug.org.uk exists to solve this problem. As well as providing hosting > for websites and mailing lists, it has a process to pass control from > one administrator to another, even if the old administrator is no longer > contactable. > > http://lug.org.uk The website seems to be down so I'm not sure exactly who they are or what they do :) > Would you consider transferring the CLUG domains to them if there was > support among the group? I would certainly consider it, and if there proves to be a strong consensus I would definitely do it. On the other hand I believe in "if it ain't broken don't fix it", and I must admit I am glad to host the CLUG list and site, partly because it gives my server something useful to do that helps justify its greenhouse effect impact :) As I have said on the list repeatedly in the past, I am almost always contactable on my primary email address but sometimes don't get around to reading the list on a timely basis, so if something requires my attention be sure to CC me directly. I do think I've always taken action within a week or less when people have actually done that. In case of more urgent serious issues my mobile number is obtainable from whois. With regard to having server access to make changes, usually some of the more active people on the list have had this access, of course I've now hosted the list and website for just 1 month short of seven years and the makeup of the "active core" has changed several times. Cheers Thomas From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Fri Sep 25 15:51:26 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:51:26 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <5d932cdc0909250700tb28acddx88244288b536e8ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC9B84.6080900@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250700tb28acddx88244288b536e8ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ABCCADE.4000204@jul17pri.co.uk> Hi Thomas >> http://lug.org.uk > > The website seems to be down so I'm not sure exactly who they are or > what they do :) Unlucky timing. I received a monitor alert this afternoon for a server of mine which is in the same RapidSwitch data centre. They're still sorting out the repercussions of a router upgrade that went wrong last night. "Small outages of less than 5 minutes may still be experienced by individual subnets as final configuration work is completed." >> Would you consider transferring the CLUG domains to them if there was >> support among the group? > > I would certainly consider it, and if there proves to be a strong > consensus I would definitely do it. Then I will contact lug.org.uk to find out if they can take over domain registrations. That's not mentioned on their website so it may not be a possibility after all. > In > case of more urgent serious issues my mobile number is obtainable from > whois. On horsten.com yes, but we were checking the CLUG domains, and your contact details are hidden on the whois records. > As I have said on the list repeatedly in the past With hindsight it is strange that there was so much confusion and its taken so long to get to this point. I spent a lot of time trawling through mail archives trying to find out who to contact. There are a lot of messages and a lot of rumours from a lot of people coming and going. Anyway, now we know :) Thanks, Julian From dom at latter.org Fri Sep 25 17:00:55 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:00:55 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4ABCCADE.4000204@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC9B84.6080900@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250700tb28acddx88244288b536e8ca@mail.gmail.com> <4ABCCADE.4000204@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <4ABCDB27.2030308@latter.org> Julian Price wrote: > With hindsight it is strange that there was so much confusion and its > taken so long to get to this point. With any luck now, there will always be enough people on list who know the score... but can I suggest that the page / site itself contains pointers to the relevant contact details? From dom at latter.org Fri Sep 25 22:01:54 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:01:54 +0200 Subject: Annotating chart in OOo calc In-Reply-To: <4ABCC8AC.2020902@moviestorm.co.uk> References: <4ABCC500.1030202@moviestorm.co.uk> <0940793F-6DCC-4885-8A55-F54A49D74153@bbsrc.ac.uk> <4ABCC8AC.2020902@moviestorm.co.uk> Message-ID: <4ABD21B2.2050605@latter.org> Johnnie Ingram wrote: > Google image search has given me a good example of what I'm after. The > three callouts in yellow on this image are the sort of thing I'm trying > to get: http://www.omnicharts.com/assets/images/welcome/chart.png I asked your question (in paraphrase) on another mailing list, and got this: bring up the drawing tools (view>toolbars>drawing) choose a callout shape click in the chart and drag the shape to size, move and fill appropriately. http://skitch.com/boldfish/nyip7/untitled-1-openoffice.org-calc From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Sat Sep 26 13:21:10 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:21:10 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> Message-ID: <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> > I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe > Czucha's wiki. There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/index.php/Index.php I'm not overly familiar with media wiki but it seems that it's not possible for an ordinary user to delete a page (I could edit the contents). It might be an idea to set the wiki so that edits can only be made by a user who has logged in. -- Drew Fitzsimmons From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sat Sep 26 13:27:01 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:27:01 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:21:10PM +0100, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > > I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe > > Czucha's wiki. > > There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: [...] > It might be an idea to set the wiki so that edits can only be made by > a user who has logged in. Yes I e-mail Joe yesterday to ask him about this. I haven't heard back from him yet. From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Sat Sep 26 13:54:10 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:54:10 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> Message-ID: <126d63860909260454i753e1cebx949c8a10b7fd921c@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:21:10PM +0100, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: >> > I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe >> > Czucha's wiki. >> >> There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: > [...] >> It might be an idea to set the wiki so that edits can only be made by >> a user who has logged in. > > Yes I e-mail Joe yesterday to ask him about this. ?I haven't heard back from > him yet. It seems that having Joe as sole controling party (sysop) for the wiki is a continuation of the single point of failure model we are trying to avoid. I would suggest that, the real decision to be made is not what the site should like, but what infrastructure to put in place to enable people with time and enthusiasm to contribute to do so. I think a wiki is a good idea but we need to have at least a few people with admin rights so that we are not relying on one person to keep on top of all the admin duties. -- Drew Fitzsimmons From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sat Sep 26 13:58:44 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:58:44 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <126d63860909260454i753e1cebx949c8a10b7fd921c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> <126d63860909260454i753e1cebx949c8a10b7fd921c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090926115844.GA6893@weber> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:54:10PM +0100, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Tom Ellis > wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:21:10PM +0100, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > >> > I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe > >> > Czucha's wiki. > >> > >> There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: > > [...] > >> It might be an idea to set the wiki so that edits can only be made by > >> a user who has logged in. > > > > Yes I e-mail Joe yesterday to ask him about this. ?I haven't heard back from > > him yet. > > It seems that having Joe as sole controling party (sysop) for the wiki > is a continuation of the single point of failure model we are trying > to avoid. > > I would suggest that, the real decision to be made is not what the > site should like, but what infrastructure to put in place to enable > people with time and enthusiasm to contribute to do so. > > I think a wiki is a good idea but we need to have at least a few > people with admin rights so that we are not relying on one person to > keep on top of all the admin duties. Yes I entirely agree with your points. From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Sat Sep 26 14:45:07 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:45:07 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20090926115844.GA6893@weber> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> <126d63860909260454i753e1cebx949c8a10b7fd921c@mail.gmail.com> <20090926115844.GA6893@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450909260545y69d6f3adtf4355aab656cfa6f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/26 Tom Ellis : > Yes I entirely agree with your points. Me too, though it's also good to have got this far. On another note, there's a good reCaptcha plugin for MediaWiki which is quite effective at spam reduction. Sam From johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk Mon Sep 28 11:05:36 2009 From: johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk (Johnnie Ingram) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:05:36 +0100 Subject: Annotating chart in OOo calc In-Reply-To: <4ABD21B2.2050605@latter.org> References: <4ABCC500.1030202@moviestorm.co.uk> <0940793F-6DCC-4885-8A55-F54A49D74153@bbsrc.ac.uk> <4ABCC8AC.2020902@moviestorm.co.uk> <4ABD21B2.2050605@latter.org> Message-ID: <4AC07C60.7030708@moviestorm.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 25/09/2009 21:01, Dom Latter wrote: > Johnnie Ingram wrote: >> Google image search has given me a good example of what I'm after. The >> three callouts in yellow on this image are the sort of thing I'm trying >> to get: http://www.omnicharts.com/assets/images/welcome/chart.png > > I asked your question (in paraphrase) on another mailing list, and got this: > > bring up the drawing tools (view>toolbars>drawing) > choose a callout shape > click in the chart and drag the shape to size, move and fill > appropriately. > > http://skitch.com/boldfish/nyip7/untitled-1-openoffice.org-calc > > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org Gawd bless ya, guv'nr - that's exactly what I needed. 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Name: johnnie_ingram.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 336 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090928/6275983f/attachment.vcf From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Wed Sep 30 18:06:58 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:06:58 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4126b3450909260545y69d6f3adtf4355aab656cfa6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> <126d63860909260454i753e1cebx949c8a10b7fd921c@mail.gmail.com> <20090926115844.GA6893@weber> <4126b3450909260545y69d6f3adtf4355aab656cfa6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450909300906w7965c363j3cd5697b4d3521b9@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/26 Sam Kuper > On another note, there's a good reCaptcha plugin for MediaWiki which > is quite effective at spam reduction. I've just seen someone on a separate mailing list recommend Bad Behaviour[1], although I haven't tried it myself. [1]http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Bad_Behavior From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Wed Sep 9 17:23:50 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 16:23:50 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day Message-ID: Dear All, I've finally got provisional confirmation that we will have a pitch in the Market square for a Software Freedom day event on the morning of 19th September (next Saturday). For those of you who haven't been to one of these events previously it's a really fun morning where we grab people coming to the market and give out free CDs and tell them all about linux / open source software. Once people figure out that you're not trying to sell them anything they're usually really receptive to the idea. Can I please therefore ask you to upgrade the pencil notes in your diaries to pen, and to reply to this message to let me know if you can come along to help and what times you can make. We normally run the stall from a bit before 9am until ~1pm. I can supply tables plus a gazebo if the weather's not great, but I'll need help throughout the morning, and especially when setting up / taking down the stall. Things we have already: A few (very brightly coloured) t-shirts (first come first served!) Various stickers / posters / badges A load of ubuntu CDs A few balloons Things which would be good to have: A few laptops running linux for demonstration purposes Any other linux based hardware to display More balloons (preferably helium filled!) Any relevant posters to brighten the place up A load of OpenDisc discs (http://www.theopendisc.com/). We had some of these last year and they went like hot cakes - I'll happily burn a load, but if others could do some too that would be great. Leaflets explaining opensource (I've got the one from last year which I can update, but if anyone knows of any good sources or wants to write something that would be good). Anything else people can think of... If you can help out with any of these items please shout. Hopefully we can get enough people to turn out to make this years event as successful as it has been for the last couple of years. TTFN Simon. From onepoint at starurchin.org Wed Sep 9 22:59:50 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 21:59:50 +0100 Subject: OK, that's it, I'm switching to Windows :-) Message-ID: <20090909205950.GD15349@omphalos.singularity> I'd hate to miss out on the fun! http://notnews.today.com/2009/09/04/microsoft-arranges-spontaneous-house-parties-for-windows-7-launch/ Jeremy Henty From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Mon Sep 14 14:32:19 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:32:19 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom day [This Saturday] Message-ID: Thanks to those of you who have volunteered to help at the Software Freedom day event this Saturday. For those who haven't replied, it's not too late! We still have more free t-shirts than volunteers, and more hands would definitely be useful. As a member of a LUG this is likely to be your best chance this year to get someone new involved with Linux and free software in general. You don't have to be there all morning - just come for as long as you can make and it will really help. If you know of anyone not in the CLUG who might be interested in this then please pass the details on to them. The stall will be up from 9am - 1pm in front of the Guildhall in the market place in Cambridge. If you think you might be able to help out then please reply and let me know (but we're not going to turn you away if you turn up on the day!). I hope to see some of you on Saturday. TTFN Simon. From wawrzek at gmail.com Sat Sep 19 23:50:47 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:50:47 +0100 Subject: To user of O2 and potential other ISPs Message-ID: Hi, If you are using O2 broadband please check following website: http://www.jibble.org/o2-broadband-fail/ Clients of other ISPs might be affected as well. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Sat Sep 19 23:58:19 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:58:19 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day Message-ID: just wanted to say a big thankyou to everyone who turned up at the market square today to help out with the Software Freedom day event. We had a bit of a slow start, but we ended up handing out the bulk of the 200+ CDs we came with and many of the people we spoke to were receptive to the idea of free software, and several were seriously considering switching over to Linux. We also got a few people who were already using Linux and were happy to hear that there was a LUG in the area. All in all a good morning's work from all concerned (and it didn't rain!). Thanks again Simon. From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Sun Sep 20 00:03:49 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:03:49 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website Message-ID: At the software freedom day event today it was pointed out that out website (http://www.cambridge-lug.org/) is still really out of date and hasn't been updated in ages. Since pretty much all the activity for the group happens on the mailing list the consensus amongst those present was that a small static page giving some basic details about the LUG and how to get to the mailing list would be a more appropriate page to have up than what we now have. I've therefore had a go at putting together such a page. As you can see it's pretty minimal, but is hopefully welcoming enough to attract new people onto the list. I've temporarily put my attempt up at: www.proteo.me.uk/clug/ ...comments are welcome. TTFN Simon. From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 00:19:21 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:19:21 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/9/19 simon andrews (BI) : > ?just wanted to say a big thankyou to everyone who turned up at the market square today to help out with the Software Freedom day event. [...] > > All in all a good morning's work from all concerned (and it didn't rain!) I would say Again! - God (or gods) favours our cause :) Short list of things not to forget next year: - prepare Open Disk for Mac - maybe it's Cambridge Genius Loci, but more people seems to have Mac than Windows; - have good balloons for children (even Tesco are fine); Sweets are also fine. Anything else? It will be nice to have install part week after Freedom Software Day. To say people. Do you have any problem, we are here and here next Saturday. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From dom at latter.org Sun Sep 20 01:35:27 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 01:35:27 +0200 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AB56ABF.9070106@latter.org> simon andrews (BI) wrote: We seem to have this conversation regularly... > I've therefore had a go at putting together such a page. > > www.proteo.me.uk/clug/ Excellent. Some suggestions (hey, I'm a techie, I'm supposed to quibble): "used on everything from Desktop PCs and servers to toasters" not forgetting supercomputers, Google, etc. Which does raise the question - what's the audience? I'd be tempted to slip in "you already use Linux - you just don't know it". I'd surmise that most Linux users will just go ahead and sign up anyway; therefore the gloss should be aimed at the typical PC user. Also how about something like: "you don't have run Linux on your PC to join. We're happy to help people get to grips with Open Source alternatives like the _Firefox_ web browser, the _Thunderbird_ email program, and the _OpenOffice_ applications suite - even if you use Windows". [1] [2] "Equally if you are an experienced user looking to swap advice with your peers, then you are of course welcome. No question is too esoteric." "If you're interested in running Linux but don't want to change your current setup - no problem: simply download _Ubuntu_ or _Puppy_ to a CD and run it in 'demo' mode, without changing your current system in any way". "Using Linux is about choice: choosing a reliable and virus-free way of running your computer, and then choosing exactly how you want it to behave, rather than letting a multi-million dollar software company tell you. Sometimes there are so many choices that you need advice: that's where we come in". I realise that the above contains a fair amount of my own personal philosophy which may not be shared by everyone here. Is it over the top? It's very important to shy away from "religion": nobody likes being told that they're stupid because they still run Windows... Lastly: "people from Cambridge" - perhaps "connected to Cambridge"? I am not from Cambridge, and these days I spend most of my time elsewhere. But I'm still a Cluggy. And really really lastly - it could probably be tarted up a bit with some judicious CSS. It's the sort of webpage *I* like - clean, fast, minimal - but I'm not the typical user. I use Linux. [1] Which I hope reflects the attitude of the group as a whole. [2] Underscores indicate links, if that needs explaining. From paul at the-hug.org Sun Sep 20 10:28:01 2009 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:28:01 +0100 Subject: To user of O2 and potential other ISPs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AB5E791.7020504@the-hug.org> On 19/09/09 22:50, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > If you are using O2 broadband please check following website: > > http://www.jibble.org/o2-broadband-fail/ > > Clients of other ISPs might be affected as well. Good work by the author. I think I would have given up long before he finally got a result from O2. -- Paul From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Sun Sep 20 11:21:52 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 10:21:52 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: <4AB56ABF.9070106@latter.org> References: , <4AB56ABF.9070106@latter.org> Message-ID: simon andrews (BI) wrote: > > I've therefore had a go at putting together such a page. > > > > www.proteo.me.uk/clug/ > Dom Latter [dom at latter.org] wrote > Excellent. > > Some suggestions (hey, I'm a techie, I'm supposed to quibble): > > "used on everything from Desktop PCs and servers to toasters" > not forgetting supercomputers, Google, etc. Which does raise > the question - what's the audience? I'd be tempted to slip in > "you already use Linux - you just don't know it". Fair enough - I've expanded the range a bit! > I'd surmise that most Linux users will just go ahead and sign up > anyway; therefore the gloss should be aimed at the typical PC user. I suspect that anyone ending up on that page was probably looking for us anyway. Our main job would be to not put them off! > Also how about something like: > I realise that the above contains a fair amount of my own personal > philosophy which may not be shared by everyone here. Is it over the > top? It's very important to shy away from "religion": nobody likes > being told that they're stupid because they still run Windows... I don't disagree with what you wrote, but I'm concious of trying to keep the front page as succinct as possible. I expanded the introductory paragraph along the lines you suggested. > Lastly: > "people from Cambridge" - perhaps "connected to Cambridge"? > I am not from Cambridge, and these days I spend most of my > time elsewhere. But I'm still a Cluggy. Now you're getting really picky :-) I changed it to people from 'around Cambridge' would seem to be generally true. > And really really lastly - it could probably be tarted up a bit > with some judicious CSS. It's the sort of webpage *I* like - > clean, fast, minimal - but I'm not the typical user. I use Linux. Maybe some animated gifs and a flash welcome screen? Something a bit more specific than 'judicious CSS' would be useful. It already has 91 lines of shining CSS - how many did you want? I make no claims to be a graphic designer, so if anyone has concrete suggestions for improvements (or better - patches!) then please feel free to get stuck in. I should stress that I'm not touting this as the best web pages we're ever likely to get - just something we can put in place which won't age and which will act as a placeholder until someone is willing to put the time/energy into putting something more comprehensive together. Simon. From darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk Sun Sep 20 11:33:07 2009 From: darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk (darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:33:07 +0000 Subject: Software Freedom Day Message-ID: Hi, So I only joined this mailing list yesterday, after emailing someone off of the Users list on your website, and I read about the plans to have a stall in cambridge to promote The SFD but no-one is here. I know I didnt mention to anyone that I would be helping out (due to my late joining) so maybe there wasnt enough volunteers and you gave up or something but I was expecting someone to be here. Not a rant, just wondering why I'm alone xD Jinux _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organise, edit, and share your photos. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090920/df04a4f8/attachment-0001.htm From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Sun Sep 20 12:00:48 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:00:48 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ________________________________________ From: clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org [clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org] On Behalf Of darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk [darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk] Sent: 20 September 2009 10:33 To: clug at cambridge-lug.org Subject: Software Freedom Day Hi, > So I only joined this mailing list yesterday, after emailing someone off of the Users list on > your website, and I read about the plans to have a stall in cambridge to promote The SFD but no-one is here. Software Freedom Day was yesterday (Saturday), and we were in the Market Square all morning, in front of the Guildhall. We were in eye-wateringly bright green t-shirts, and I thought we were pretty hard to miss. Sorry you didn't find us, but the event definitely did go ahead. > I know I didnt mention to anyone that I would be helping out (due to my late joining) so maybe > there wasnt enough volunteers and you gave up or something but I was expecting someone to be here. >From the way you worded your mail it sounds like you came today (Sunday)? If so I commend your efforts, but unfortunately you might have been a bit late. SFD is an annual event so hopefully we will be repeating the event next year. In the mean time there are monthly meetings of the CLUG which we'd love to see you at. TTFN Simon. From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sun Sep 20 12:38:47 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:38:47 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090920103847.GB2952@weber> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 11:03:49PM +0100, simon andrews (BI) wrote: > I've therefore had a go at putting together such a page. As you can see > it's pretty minimal, but is hopefully welcoming enough to attract new > people onto the list. I've temporarily put my attempt up at: Great idea, but don't forget we've already got several of those, including my favorite: http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/ I suppose whoever can convince Thomas Horsten to give them access to the webserver wins. (I do believe I have access, but not write access to the web directory) Tom From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 13:55:37 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:55:37 +0100 Subject: Problem with wireless Debian/Ubuntu Server Message-ID: Hi, I've got problem with WPA2-PSK wireless on my Ubuntu LTS Server (8.04?). It's server so it's not using any NetworkManager or similar but Debian wrappers around wpa_supplicant [1]. I think that the problem is that somehow it create two keys (I don't have idea how) and the first one (default) is wrong. Last time I could force system to use second key, but I cannot now. I've also cannot find any option which can do this in /etc/network/interfaces. Any ideas? Wawrzek [1] http://wiki.debian.org/WPA -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From matt at darkotter.com Sun Sep 20 16:12:48 2009 From: matt at darkotter.com (Matthew Gadd) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:12:48 +0100 Subject: Problem with wireless Debian/Ubuntu Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <905ef2bb0909200712j42e7df2s2c5f96b04ca676f1@mail.gmail.com> I have an old computer I sometimes run as a server downstairs which I have set up on the home WPA2-PSK network. Give me 10 or 20 mins to start it up (it's sloooooowwww) and I'll check how I've done it, iirc I used some kind of settings in /etc/network/interfaces. We have a passphrase on our network - are you looking to use a passphrase or just an ASCII or HEX key? 2009/9/20 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : > Hi, > > I've got problem with WPA2-PSK wireless on my Ubuntu LTS Server > (8.04?). It's server so it's not using any NetworkManager or similar > but Debian wrappers around wpa_supplicant [1]. > > I think that the problem is that somehow it create two keys (I don't > have idea how) and the first one (default) is wrong. Last time I could > force system to use second key, but I cannot now. I've also cannot > find any option which can do this in /etc/network/interfaces. > > Any ideas? > > Wawrzek > [1] http://wiki.debian.org/WPA > -- > ?Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski ? ? ?vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN > ? ?Linux User #177124 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com > ?PhD in Quantum Chemistry ? ? ? ? ? ?WWW: http://wawrzek.name > ?MSc in Molecular Engineering ? ? ? ? ? JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Matthew Gadd hello at darkotter.com GPG: 85D8 4519 E52D 9E8B 3DDF 6867 E3E7 B658 94D5 9FB5 Blog: http://darkotter.wordpress.com/ From darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk Sun Sep 20 16:36:07 2009 From: darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk (darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:36:07 +0000 Subject: xD My Bad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hahahahaha, Sorry for my complaining, I was a day late xD _________________________________________________________________ MSN straight to your mobile - news, entertainment, videos and more. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090920/a96ebf45/attachment-0002.htm From matt at darkotter.com Sun Sep 20 16:37:31 2009 From: matt at darkotter.com (Matthew Gadd) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:37:31 +0100 Subject: Problem with wireless Debian/Ubuntu Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <905ef2bb0909200737j3108606al31ca79f22f8c743a@mail.gmail.com> Right, on my old computer, I installed the standard Ubuntu 9.04 server version, then I checked wpasupplicant was installed (I think it already was). Then, I generated the hexadecimal key for our network from the passphrase, so I ran: wpa_passphrase "NETWORK_SSID" Then typed in the passphrase and pressed enter (I know you probably already knew this, just telling you in case). The hexadecimal key is the second 'psk=' line (not the one that's commented out) in the output. I then edited the entry for my wireless card in /etc/network/interfaces to this: iface wlan0 inet static address 192.168.1.159 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.1.1 wpa-ssid {NETWORK_SSID} wpa-psk {HEXADECIMAL_KEY} I then restarted the server, and it worked (hopefully it will for you too). Of course you'll want to change the address, netmask etc. lines to whatever is correct for your server, and replace the {NETWORK_SSID} and {HEXADECIMAL_KEY} with their respective values, I'm sure you get the idea. As I said this was on the ubuntu jaunty server, but I imagine it should work on the LTS version as well. 2009/9/20 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : > Hi, > > I've got problem with WPA2-PSK wireless on my Ubuntu LTS Server > (8.04?). It's server so it's not using any NetworkManager or similar > but Debian wrappers around wpa_supplicant [1]. > > I think that the problem is that somehow it create two keys (I don't > have idea how) and the first one (default) is wrong. Last time I could > force system to use second key, but I cannot now. I've also cannot > find any option which can do this in /etc/network/interfaces. > > Any ideas? > > Wawrzek > [1] http://wiki.debian.org/WPA > -- > ?Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski ? ? ?vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN > ? ?Linux User #177124 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com > ?PhD in Quantum Chemistry ? ? ? ? ? ?WWW: http://wawrzek.name > ?MSc in Molecular Engineering ? ? ? ? ? JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Matthew Gadd hello at darkotter.com GPG: 85D8 4519 E52D 9E8B 3DDF 6867 E3E7 B658 94D5 9FB5 Blog: http://darkotter.wordpress.com/ From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 17:43:32 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:43:32 +0100 Subject: Problem with wireless Debian/Ubuntu Server In-Reply-To: <905ef2bb0909200737j3108606al31ca79f22f8c743a@mail.gmail.com> References: <905ef2bb0909200737j3108606al31ca79f22f8c743a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/9/20 Matthew Gadd : > Right, on my old computer, I installed the standard Ubuntu 9.04 server > version, then I checked wpasupplicant was installed (I think it > already was). [...] > iface wlan0 inet static > ? ? ? ?address 192.168.1.159 > ? ? ? ?netmask 255.255.255.0 > ? ? ? ?gateway 192.168.1.1 > ? ? ? ?wpa-ssid {NETWORK_SSID} > ? ? ? ?wpa-psk {HEXADECIMAL_KEY} > It's exactly what is not working for me. I'm tempting to do it manually using iwconfig, but not sure how to use iwconfig and wpa2. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 18:19:52 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:19:52 +0100 Subject: Problem with wireless Debian/Ubuntu Server In-Reply-To: References: <905ef2bb0909200737j3108606al31ca79f22f8c743a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, [...] So I did what I had one last time iwconfig wlan0 key [2] dhclient3 wlan0 and this time it started to work. Anyway I think I'll raise the bug with ubuntu. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From robert at cantab.net Mon Sep 21 10:54:57 2009 From: robert at cantab.net (Robert Schumann) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:54:57 +0100 Subject: To user of O2 and potential other ISPs In-Reply-To: <4AB5E791.7020504@the-hug.org> References: <4AB5E791.7020504@the-hug.org> Message-ID: 2009/9/20 Paul Oldham > On 19/09/09 22:50, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > > > If you are using O2 broadband please check following website: > > > > http://www.jibble.org/o2-broadband-fail/ > > > > Clients of other ISPs might be affected as well. > > Very, very interesting. I have O2 broadband at home, and recently had occasion to want to investigate my router's settings, but none of the username/password combinations I recall using with the router worked. I ignored it because.... ...about 10 days ago my broadband went down. O2's solution to any problem is to send out a new router, which should be arriving today (hence I'm not too concerned about being locked out of my current router). It's helpful to know that the password is now set to the serial number. Odd thing is, BT is aware of a problem on my line which is interfering with ADSL, to do with a tree nixing the cable. O2's second line support didn't seem aware or willing to consider that this was not a router-related problem. Ah well. I guess they're too busy fending off support calls with the response "it meets our standards". Robert. > Good work by the author. I think I would have given up long before he > finally got a result from O2. > -- > Paul > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090921/766df095/attachment-0002.htm From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 19:09:35 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:09:35 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <126d63860909211009l6a1eb56ay2ae2db0877702e8e@mail.gmail.com> Woow! my Internet connection is back (that is until virgin media come to play with the green box again tomorrow and end up breaking it again). It was good too see everyone on Saturday. I really enjoyed it (despite the unnaturally early start :) and it has made me determined to make an effort to turn up to CB2 for meetings. Thanks Simon for doing a good job getting it organised. -- Drew Fitzsimmons From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 19:26:13 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:26:13 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <126d63860909211026y43861a6l2b663d82402a8344@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 11:03 PM, simon andrews (BI) wrote: > ...comments are welcome. I like it. In my opinion this is exactly what we need. It's simple, succinct, doesn't need much maintenance and (IMO) looks very good. It could, in future, include a link to a wiki (if such a wiki existed) which could be edited by any member of the LUG. -- Drew Fitzsimmons From alspnost at gmail.com Tue Sep 22 00:01:43 2009 From: alspnost at gmail.com (Alastair Stevens) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:01:43 +0100 Subject: To user of O2 and potential other ISPs In-Reply-To: References: <4AB5E791.7020504@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <4536e91b0909211501v508fb834x5cd5e5073bd9928e@mail.gmail.com> > ...about 10 days ago my broadband went down. O2's solution to any problem is > to send out a new router, which should be arriving today (hence I'm not too > concerned about being locked out of my current router). It's helpful to know > that the password is now set to the serial number. > > Odd thing is, BT is aware of a problem on my line which is interfering with > ADSL, to do with a tree nixing the cable. O2's second line support didn't > seem aware or willing to consider that this was not a router-related > problem. Ah well. I guess they're too busy fending off support calls with > the response "it meets our standards". Interesting - we had O2 broadband for over a year, and the service and speed was always excellent. I found the router to be an absolute miserable pig to configure "properly" though - it's designed for Harry Homeowner, which is fine, but for geeks it's simply terrible. I discovered eventually that manually hacking the config file and re-uploading it was massively quicker and more reliable (once you've figured out the format) - perhaps everyone else already does this? Then O2 slightly soured things by accusing me of not returning my router after terminating due to a house move - but later relented and admitted that they had received it. Now we're with BT (gulp), and I have to say that the broadband itself has been faultless (and equally fast); the general customer service is comically awful as usual, though. Sadly, the BT HomeHub router looks pretty but uses a noddy interface, and the config file is binary so can't be hacked manually :-( Never mind, got it working properly eventually. As for security, who knows? But there are only well-maintained Linux boxes on this network, so I won't panic too much :-) Cheers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From mark_w at techie.com Tue Sep 22 13:22:31 2009 From: mark_w at techie.com (Mark Wyatt) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:22:31 +0000 Subject: CLUG Website Message-ID: <20090922112231.86820326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> Sorry to send what is largely a 'me too' e-mail, but > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:03:49 +0100 > From: "simon andrews (BI)" ... > > At the software freedom day event today it was pointed out that out > website (http://www.cambridge-lug.org/) is still really out of date > and hasn't been updated in ages. > That has been pointed out over and over again, and what usually happens is that someone has an over-ambitious idea of what should be done, tries to force that through on their own and either fails directly, or does something that no one is happy with and is never used.... > Since pretty much all the activity for the group happens on the > mailing list the consensus amongst those present was that a small > static page giving some basic details about the LUG and how to get > to the mailing list would be a more appropriate page to have up > than what we now have. At one time, when the web page didn't seem so obviously out of date (and that _is_ a few years ago) there was probably more activity in the Sunday meetings, than on the mailing list. I wouldn't say that the website is the only cause of the collapse of the face-to-face meetings, but it may be a factor. > > I've therefore had a go at putting together such a page. As you > can see it's pretty minimal, but is hopefully welcoming enough to > attract new people onto the list. I've temporarily put my attempt > up at: > > www.proteo.me.uk/clug/ > > ...comments are welcome. In spite of the fact this is a brilliant effort, I would still quibble with the following: -previously there was a clearer acknowledgement that although the group was called a Linux group all of FLOSS, whether it was Firefox or a BSD, was within our ambit. -" from around Cambridge" that still doesn't cope with the point that many people who are resident in this area aren't _from_ Cambridge or even the surrounding area. All you really need to point out is that the meeting occurs in Cambridge (the UK bit is a vital point, though). -"Most of the activity of this groups happens on our mailing list." Well, it does now, but I don't think that you should pre-suppose that it always will. I'd prefer 'much' to 'most', as you probably wouldn't have to edit the website if things do change around, but you could just point out the mailing list. -"we regularly arrange informal..." This should be correct, but right now it would be closer to say "we irregularly arrange..." except for the "arrange" part, which, at the very least, is an unfulfilled ambition. I'm not sure that you should write "we irregularly don't arrange meetings..." though. It's unclear who that would help. :-) "Meetings are announced on the mailing list," "People use the mailing list to check out meetings" or something or "newcomers often use the mailing list to check out the next meeting". "the touble with Linux users" How dare you suggests that there is any touble with Linux users at all? They are clearly the most advanced form of sentient being and will be until the next kernel is released, when they will need upgrading! > Maybe some animated gifs and a flash welcome screen? Please, no. Well, not the flash bit, anyway. > > It will be nice to have install part week after Freedom Software Day. > To say people. Do you have any problem, we are here and here next > Saturday. > Now that's a very good idea for next year, but that's a long time off. Is there anything else that we should 'theme' an install day around? Like posters up around Cambridge colleges with an install day once every is back at colleges? >From: Tom Ellis >... >> I've therefore had a go at putting together such a page. As you can see >> it's pretty minimal, but is hopefully welcoming enough to attract new >> people onto the list. I've temporarily put my attempt up at: > >Great idea, but don't forget we've already got several of those, including >my favorite: > >http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/ > >I suppose whoever can convince Thomas Horsten to give them access to the >webserver wins. (I do believe I have access, but not write access to the >web directory) > >Tom I don't think that a wiki is in any way a bad thing, but my impression is that it would take more hassle to get everyone to agree to a the principle of a wiki than just to change the existing static web page. But, as I've pointed about before, as the existing page breaks Bruce Perens' rules for Linux Users Groups, I'd settle for anything that gets the info on the meetings correct. It would probably be best to have the minimal static front page, as is suggested, and link off to a wiki that could be more dynamic, but whether that will actually happen... The big thing, however, is that we need to put it in place. Without that it is just another attempt at updating the site which never happened. What has to happen now so that it can happen? And who will be responsible for updates once it has happened? Mark -- An Excellent Credit Score is 750 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Tue Sep 22 13:36:28 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:36:28 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: <20090922112231.86820326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090922112231.86820326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20090922113628.GA6422@weber> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:22:31AM +0000, Mark Wyatt wrote: > That has been pointed out over and over again, and what usually happens > is that someone has an over-ambitious idea of what should be done, tries > to force that through on their own and either fails directly, or does > something that no one is happy with and is never used.... The main problem seems to be actually getting access to the server. From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Tue Sep 22 13:41:30 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:41:30 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: <20090922113628.GA6422@weber> References: <20090922112231.86820326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> <20090922113628.GA6422@weber> Message-ID: On 22 Sep 2009, at 12:36, Tom Ellis wrote: > The main problem seems to be actually getting access to the server. We need to get in touch with Thomas Horsten. A quick bit of googling suggests the address listed on the website for him is still alive and that he's still in the area. I'd be happy to help out with updating the website if Thomas isn't able to find the time. It would probably be good if two or three people had access to the server to be able to make changes so we don't end up in this situation again. Does anyone know or have any contact with Thomas? Could you give him a nudge and see if he's willing to get this moving again? Thanks Simon. From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Tue Sep 22 13:03:30 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:03:30 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: References: <20090922112231.86820326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> <20090922113628.GA6422@weber> Message-ID: <4AB8AF02.2080400@jul17pri.co.uk> Simon Andrews wrote: > On 22 Sep 2009, at 12:36, Tom Ellis wrote: > >> The main problem seems to be actually getting access to the server. > > We need to get in touch with Thomas Horsten. A quick bit of googling > suggests the address listed on the website for him is still alive and > that he's still in the area. I will get in touch with him - been meaning to do that since the last flurry of emails on the subject Thanks, Julian From dom at latter.org Tue Sep 22 14:24:22 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:24:22 +0200 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: References: <20090922112231.86820326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> <20090922113628.GA6422@weber> Message-ID: <4AB8C1F6.8050205@latter.org> Simon Andrews wrote: > I'd be happy to help out with updating the website if Thomas isn't > able to find the time. It would probably be good if two or three > people had access to the server to be able to make changes so we don't > end up in this situation again. Alternatively get the nameservers changed to something under communal control (e.g. an account with everydns.net where the login details are known to three list members). Once that is done we continue to point the domain at Thomas's servers, if we want. But we won't have this problem of being locked out of our own domain. I'm sure that between us we have a number of properly-hosted webservers available. But get the domain DNS back under communal control and everything else can follow. From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Tue Sep 22 15:16:58 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:16:58 +0100 Subject: FS: 1U servers, CPUs and memory Message-ID: <4AB8CE4A.2000702@mansfield.co.uk> We recently went through a big upgrade cycle as we use java and the product needed more memory, and I thought CLUG members might be interested in hardware that's proven to work well with linux, and more importantly, heavily discounted! We're selling comprising servers (complete except for hard drives) and CPUs and memory left over after various upgrades. Please note the prices below *do*not* include VAT at 15%. Offers made should not include vat. Prices are a starting point, a "buy it now" if you like. Please make your offer along with the quantity, offers will be prioritised according to amount, quantity and whether you reply in HTML email. Cleared funds required before collection from Cambridge Science Park. Can pay cash, BACS or wire transfer, if you pay bu cheque we'd have to hold the goods until it clears. We don't have packaging unless stated. A formal VAT invoice will be raised for you by our accounts people. All equipment has been used, is sold as seen, some has manufacturer's warranty left but it would be you as buyer who'd be responsible for checking. You'd be welcome to check the serial numbers at the time of purchasing/collection. You'd also be welcome to test the equipment (e.g. boot servers) except the boxed CPUs, they came from working system and we are very confident they do work (and I'm pretty sure they are still in warranty). *** CPUs * Intel Xeon L5320 ?130+vat each = in full retail packs (box, heatsink/fan) previously used for L5420, all the same stepping level so you could buy matched pairs for dual CPU goodness. we have twelve. ?110+vat - without retail pack, no box, no heatsink/fan. * CPU: Intel core2duo e6700 ?110+vat in full retail pack, used (not overclocked), from upgrading a desktop. these aren't particularly common having a larger cache and higher clock speed. *** RAM - 2GB DDR2 ECC Reg 667MHz Kingston give these a lifetime warranty and we have retail packaging for pretty much all of them, hence price is relatively high compared to new. Note that being ECC Reg they probably won't work in domestic computers' motherboards so check compatibility. 4 of Kingston KVR667D2D8P5 - http://tinyurl.com/KVR667D2D8P5 (2GB DDR2 DIMM - dual rank 667MHz ECC Reg/Parity CL5) 20 of Kingston KVR667D2D4P5 - http://tinyurl.com/KVR667D2D4P5 (2GB DDR2 DIMM - dual-rank 667MHz ECC REG/Parity CL5) ?12+vat each *** servers All servers come with rail kit for 19" rack mounting, various random bracket accessories and an IEC c13-c14 power cable. The Tyans have serial port, twin gig e1000 intel, single 10/100m e100 intel, ps2 keyboard & mouse, rear and front usb ports, some random video chip onboard with VGA socket on the back, a PCI-X 64-bit riser, AHCI SATA non-raid works perfectly with linux. They're definitely not sh*t, we've had very very few problems with them and the motherboards probably still have warranty. We'd probably keep them if we could fit more memory, but that's what happens when you have java programmers! The M3291 management cards in the Tyans are free because we never made use of them and we can't provide any technical detail for their use nor can we even promise they work (although they probably do). Photos of a Tyan at http://www.flickr.com/photos/12629882 at N05/tags/tyan/ The Tyans came from Sentral, all have Sentral serial numbers apart from a couple bought as "bare-bones" to be cold spares that got built. The Supermicros were bought from Boston Micros. * Tyan 1U lower-spec server - no hard drives only one of these. ?160+vat Intel core2duo (E4300) 1.8GHz with 2GB of RAM built-in CD quality branded memory S5191G3NR motherboard: http://www.tyan.com/product_board_detail.aspx?pid=343 GT20 1U chassis with 4 hotswap SATA bays: http://www.tyan.com/archive/products/html/kgt20-500.html IEC mains, rail kit comes with FREE remote management card, * Tyan 1U intermediate server - no hard drives only two of these. ?175+vat Intel core2duo (E6600) 2.4GHz with 2GB of RAM built-in CD quality branded memory S5191G3NR motherboard: http://www.tyan.com/product_board_detail.aspx?pid=343 GT20 1U chassis with 4 hotswap SATA bays: http://www.tyan.com/archive/products/html/kgt20-500.html IEC mains, rail kit comes with FREE remote management card * Tyan 1U standard server - no hard drives twenty-five of these ?200+vat Intel core2duo (E6600) 2.4GHz with 8GB of RAM built-in CD quality branded memory S5191G3NR motherboard: http://www.tyan.com/product_board_detail.aspx?pid=343 GT20 1U chassis with 4 hotswap SATA bays: http://www.tyan.com/archive/products/html/kgt20-500.html IEC mains, rail kit comes with FREE remote management card * Supermicro PDSMI+ 1U servers - no hard drives we never found out why but these sometimes lock up when you reboot them, they run perfectly when power-cycled though. for this reason the price is sweeter than an equivalent Tyan. we have all the accessories that came with them - the plastic drive bay inserts and various rail adaptors and cable wotsits that I never found a use for! ?160+vat Intel core2duo (E6600) 2.4GHz with 4GB memory built-in CD generic/cheap memory PDSMI+ motherboard http://tinyurl.com/pdsmiplus Supermicro 1U chassis (as link, but black) http://tinyurl.com/qh46ce * Dell 1U server SC1425 - no hard drives just one of these ?150 single 3.2GHz Xeon (Pentium D type?) type SC1425 (two internal drive bays, two CPU slots one empty) build-in DVD 1GB RAM From mark_w at techie.com Thu Sep 24 12:49:12 2009 From: mark_w at techie.com (Mark Wyatt) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:49:12 +0000 Subject: CLUG Website Message-ID: <20090924104912.D30AE606865@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:41:30 +0100 > From: Simon Andrews > Subject: Re: CLUG Website > To: Cambridge LUG > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > > On 22 Sep 2009, at 12:36, Tom Ellis wrote: > > > The main problem seems to be actually getting access to the server. > > We need to get in touch with Thomas Horsten. A quick bit of googling > suggests the address listed on the website for him is still alive and > that he's still in the area. > > I'd be happy to help out with updating the website if Thomas isn't > able to find the time. It would probably be good if two or three > people had access to the server to be able to make changes so we don't > end up in this situation again. > > Does anyone know or have any contact with Thomas? Could you give him > a nudge and see if he's willing to get this moving again? > > Thanks > > Simon. > Well, while it is true that getting access to the server is how the problem presents itself, I am not convinced that this is the main problem or the root cause. Remember that usually when we have tried to do this in the past, while there has been general agreement that what we have now is not what we want, there has not been agreement on what we want instead. There has usually been someone in 'lone wolf' mode who has something (or is allegedly about to have something) that they think we ought to want, but there has been no widespread agreement that it is in detail what we actually want. In that circumstance, it is clear that the suggestion will have little positive support and may well have a strong element of passive resistance. Whether that is a factor, or not, but with that as a background, it is unclear how Thomas should arbitrate between competing interests who each have a version that should be instantiated in place of what is there now (he probably shouldn't be in that position, but we have no other gatekeeper). I am hoping that isn't a factor today, but it would be wise to clear that issue up for the future. It is probably fine when we have universal agreement on exactly what should be done, but this is a conclave of techies, so that isn't exactly the likeliest outcome. Err, or, at the very least, not all that quickly... -- An Excellent Credit Score is 750 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 13:14:57 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:14:57 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website References: <71C5056B-B910-4CD6-BA10-270331E8A157@proteo.me.uk> Message-ID: [Sending again from the account which is actually subscribed to the list] On 24 Sep 2009, at 11:49, Mark Wyatt wrote: >> Well, while it is true that getting access to the server is how the >> problem > presents itself, I am not convinced that this is the main problem or > the > root cause. > > Remember that usually when we have tried to do this in the past, > while there > has been general agreement that what we have now is not what we > want, there > has not been agreement on what we want instead. I'm sure this is an ongoing debate which can be had. My main reason for bringing this up again was the fact that what we actually have up now is out of date and flat out wrong. Whatever people's thoughts on the matter then at least putting up a simple (but accurate) holding page which points people to the mailing list would have to be an improvement. > There has usually been someone in 'lone wolf' mode who has something > (or is > allegedly about to have something) that they think we ought to want, > but there > has been no widespread agreement that it is in detail what we > actually want. > > In that circumstance, it is clear that the suggestion will have > little positive > support and may well have a strong element of passive resistance. Well, the general axiom in these situations is that code speaks louder than words. If the CLUG wants a more elaborate website then someone needs to step up and create it and be prepared to stand behind it and keep it maintained. If a few people have different ideas about what should happen then, since reaching a consensus about these things is almost impossible so have everyone put up a mockup of their site and we can take a poll among interested parties. If people aren't bothered enough about a proposal to do something themselves then that should influence the weight given to their opinions. In fact, this is in the finest tradition of open source. I may have strong opinions about how OpenOffice should work, but unless I'm providing patches or maintaining my own fork then who the hell is going to listen to me? > Whether that is a factor, or not, but with that as a background, it > is unclear > how Thomas should arbitrate between competing interests who each > have a version > that should be instantiated in place of what is there now (he > probably shouldn't > be in that position, but we have no other gatekeeper). I am hoping > that isn't a > factor today, but it would be wise to clear that issue up for the > future. At the moment I don't see much to arbitrate about. Noone has spoken up in favour of keeping the existing site. I've seen two options for a holding page, either of which I'd be happy to go with but heck we can hold a poll if we want to decide between them. Other than that noone has got stuck in and made anything. I'd love to see a richer web site but I'm not volunteering to do that. I'd happily support anyone else who did want to do so. Simon. From dom at latter.org Thu Sep 24 13:26:28 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:26:28 +0200 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: References: <71C5056B-B910-4CD6-BA10-270331E8A157@proteo.me.uk> Message-ID: <4ABB5764.6070201@latter.org> Simon Andrews wrote: > At the moment I don't see much to arbitrate about. Noone has spoken > up in favour of keeping the existing site. AFAIAC somebody can appoint themselves benevolent dictator of the CLUG site and I won't complain. But I think the main thing is getting the whois record updated to use name servers under communal control. From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Thu Sep 24 18:56:47 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:56:47 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: <4ABB5764.6070201@latter.org> References: <71C5056B-B910-4CD6-BA10-270331E8A157@proteo.me.uk> <4ABB5764.6070201@latter.org> Message-ID: <20090924165647.GA5585@weber> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 01:26:28PM +0200, Dom Latter wrote: > Simon Andrews wrote: > > At the moment I don't see much to arbitrate about. Noone has spoken > > up in favour of keeping the existing site. > > AFAIAC somebody can appoint themselves benevolent dictator of the CLUG > site and I won't complain. It turns out I *do* have write access to the CLUG web directories, so I have benevolently dictated that for the time being, the CLUG domain names will redirect to Joe Czucha's wiki. Edit and discuss away ... Tom From thomas at horsten.com Fri Sep 25 11:01:22 2009 From: thomas at horsten.com (Thomas Horsten) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:01:22 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> Hi Julian 2009/9/24 Julian Price : > Hi Thomas > > Our current inability to update the website is really holding CLUG back. I > think if we could update the site we could get meetings going again and > develop a really thriving group. > > Are you willing to give write access to me or anyone else? Do you need some > sort of consensus from the group? We could arrange a face-to-face meeting of > the group at CB2 and have a vote if that would help. There are and have been several members of the list, including people participatinig in this thread (right, Dom?) who have access to the server and can update the website. I am quite happy to give access to anyone who want to take on the job of maintaining the website. Regarding consensus please keep the discussion on the list (copied) and if I don't hear any objections I'll give you and/or whoever else wants to work with you access. I don't think a face to face meeting is needed for this although it would probably be good for the group anyway! What I think *is* needed is an idea of what we want for the site before someone just starts writing HTML or PHP. As always please copy me in directly on mails pertaining to this as I don't always get around to reading the list in a timely manner. Cheers Thomas From dom at latter.org Fri Sep 25 11:26:29 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:26:29 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> Thomas Horsten wrote: > There are and have been several members of the list, including people > participatinig in this thread (right, Dom?) who have access to the > server and can update the website. My apologies. I was under the impression that nobody had access to make changes, and that nobody was able to (easily) get hold of you. I still think that changing the nameservers to a communal everydns.net account would be a good idea. From thomas at horsten.com Fri Sep 25 12:31:56 2009 From: thomas at horsten.com (Thomas Horsten) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:31:56 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> Message-ID: <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> Hi Dom, 2009/9/25 Dom Latter : > My apologies. ?I was under the impression that nobody had access to make > changes, and that nobody was able to (easily) get hold of you. Sorry I thought you were one of those with access. Here's the list of people who currently have access. Please can we decide on who should be removed and added from that list: Jan M. Dziewulski Joseph Birr-Pixton Mark Roberts Tom Huckstep > I still think that changing the nameservers to a communal everydns.net > account would be a good idea. I never had much love for free DNS services. My server occasionally changes IP and I like to be able to update everything from one place. Cheers, Thomas From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Sep 25 12:36:17 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:36:17 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:31:56AM +0100, Thomas Horsten wrote: > Tom Huckstep NB that's me, and I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe Czucha's wiki. I can also do whatever else is necessary as the community decides. Tom From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Fri Sep 25 12:29:24 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:29:24 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ABC9B84.6080900@jul17pri.co.uk> Hi Thomas > Regarding consensus please keep the discussion on the list Yes, I posted that I was going to contact you, but I should have cc'd the list, good point. Thanks for donating your time and resources to maintaining CLUG. It is appreciated by me and I'm sure the rest of the group's participants. However, This year's website paralysis highlights the disadvantage of ultimate control over CLUG's domains being held by a single member. lug.org.uk exists to solve this problem. As well as providing hosting for websites and mailing lists, it has a process to pass control from one administrator to another, even if the old administrator is no longer contactable. http://lug.org.uk Would you consider transferring the CLUG domains to them if there was support among the group? Thanks, Julian From johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk Fri Sep 25 15:26:24 2009 From: johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk (Johnnie Ingram) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:26:24 +0100 Subject: Annotating chart in OOo calc Message-ID: <4ABCC500.1030202@moviestorm.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Afternoon chaps and chapesses. Not strictly a Linux question, but I think there's sufficient chance that somebody on this list will have domain expertise to help me. My question is simple: Am I going out of my mind, or is there no way to add annotations to a chart in OpenOffice.org Calc? Trying to convince a colleague to make the switch from MSOffice, and so far I have no response to his accusation that OOo can't do this. In all honesty, I only have his word that MSOffice can do it, since I haven't used it for a good six or seven years, but either way it seems like a weird omission. Cheers, Johnnie - -- ___________________ Johnnie Ingram Product Manager Short Fuze Limited ___________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkq8xPAACgkQ4J4LFInQ/fO1VQCeISQ/w+eE2U+K/l1wcTH1ECYS dI8AniOUhTTnhoIgq00ThrEa6op99uth =yQLh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If so then I usually do it by copy/pasting it into OO Draw and editing it there as a picture. Simon. From johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk Fri Sep 25 15:42:04 2009 From: johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk (Johnnie Ingram) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:42:04 +0100 Subject: Annotating chart in OOo calc In-Reply-To: <0940793F-6DCC-4885-8A55-F54A49D74153@bbsrc.ac.uk> References: <4ABCC500.1030202@moviestorm.co.uk> <0940793F-6DCC-4885-8A55-F54A49D74153@bbsrc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4ABCC8AC.2020902@moviestorm.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 25/09/2009 14:30, Simon Andrews wrote: > > On 25 Sep 2009, at 14:26, Johnnie Ingram wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Afternoon chaps and chapesses. >> >> Not strictly a Linux question, but I think there's sufficient chance >> that somebody on this list will have domain expertise to help me. My >> question is simple: >> >> Am I going out of my mind, or is there no way to add annotations to a >> chart in OpenOffice.org Calc? > > Do you just mean adding extra labels / arrows etc on top? If so then > I usually do it by copy/pasting it into OO Draw and editing it there > as a picture. > > Simon. > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org That would work as a kludge, I suppose. But what I'd ideally like to do is to preserve the tabular data in the spreadsheet. All I'm trying to achieve is to add a couple of balloon-like callouts at different points on my line graph, saying meaningless mutual backslapping things like "Here's where we started our new advertising campaign - look at the corresponding jump in sales" - explanations for specific points of data on the graph, basically. I can do it Draw (or by exporting to Inkscape or GIMP) but it seems bizzare that I can't do it without leaving OOo Calc. Google image search has given me a good example of what I'm after. The three callouts in yellow on this image are the sort of thing I'm trying to get: http://www.omnicharts.com/assets/images/welcome/chart.png Johnnie - -- ___________________ Johnnie Ingram Product Manager Short Fuze Limited ___________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkq8yKYACgkQ4J4LFInQ/fMVRQCfSb4XMb/E97rwEZaHjulFUZ1Y bssAoJzGlpWZ58hMevtPb1ZImIe9qA3a =hBb/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: johnnie_ingram.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 336 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090925/da508430/attachment-0002.vcf From thomas at horsten.com Fri Sep 25 16:00:29 2009 From: thomas at horsten.com (Thomas Horsten) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:00:29 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4ABC9B84.6080900@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC9B84.6080900@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <5d932cdc0909250700tb28acddx88244288b536e8ca@mail.gmail.com> Hi Julian [reposting with reply-to-all, sorry for the mistake] 2009/9/25 Julian Price : > lug.org.uk exists to solve this problem. As well as providing hosting > for websites and mailing lists, it has a process to pass control from > one administrator to another, even if the old administrator is no longer > contactable. > > http://lug.org.uk The website seems to be down so I'm not sure exactly who they are or what they do :) > Would you consider transferring the CLUG domains to them if there was > support among the group? I would certainly consider it, and if there proves to be a strong consensus I would definitely do it. On the other hand I believe in "if it ain't broken don't fix it", and I must admit I am glad to host the CLUG list and site, partly because it gives my server something useful to do that helps justify its greenhouse effect impact :) As I have said on the list repeatedly in the past, I am almost always contactable on my primary email address but sometimes don't get around to reading the list on a timely basis, so if something requires my attention be sure to CC me directly. I do think I've always taken action within a week or less when people have actually done that. In case of more urgent serious issues my mobile number is obtainable from whois. With regard to having server access to make changes, usually some of the more active people on the list have had this access, of course I've now hosted the list and website for just 1 month short of seven years and the makeup of the "active core" has changed several times. Cheers Thomas From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Fri Sep 25 15:51:26 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:51:26 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <5d932cdc0909250700tb28acddx88244288b536e8ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC9B84.6080900@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250700tb28acddx88244288b536e8ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ABCCADE.4000204@jul17pri.co.uk> Hi Thomas >> http://lug.org.uk > > The website seems to be down so I'm not sure exactly who they are or > what they do :) Unlucky timing. I received a monitor alert this afternoon for a server of mine which is in the same RapidSwitch data centre. They're still sorting out the repercussions of a router upgrade that went wrong last night. "Small outages of less than 5 minutes may still be experienced by individual subnets as final configuration work is completed." >> Would you consider transferring the CLUG domains to them if there was >> support among the group? > > I would certainly consider it, and if there proves to be a strong > consensus I would definitely do it. Then I will contact lug.org.uk to find out if they can take over domain registrations. That's not mentioned on their website so it may not be a possibility after all. > In > case of more urgent serious issues my mobile number is obtainable from > whois. On horsten.com yes, but we were checking the CLUG domains, and your contact details are hidden on the whois records. > As I have said on the list repeatedly in the past With hindsight it is strange that there was so much confusion and its taken so long to get to this point. I spent a lot of time trawling through mail archives trying to find out who to contact. There are a lot of messages and a lot of rumours from a lot of people coming and going. Anyway, now we know :) Thanks, Julian From dom at latter.org Fri Sep 25 17:00:55 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:00:55 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4ABCCADE.4000204@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC9B84.6080900@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250700tb28acddx88244288b536e8ca@mail.gmail.com> <4ABCCADE.4000204@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <4ABCDB27.2030308@latter.org> Julian Price wrote: > With hindsight it is strange that there was so much confusion and its > taken so long to get to this point. With any luck now, there will always be enough people on list who know the score... but can I suggest that the page / site itself contains pointers to the relevant contact details? From dom at latter.org Fri Sep 25 22:01:54 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:01:54 +0200 Subject: Annotating chart in OOo calc In-Reply-To: <4ABCC8AC.2020902@moviestorm.co.uk> References: <4ABCC500.1030202@moviestorm.co.uk> <0940793F-6DCC-4885-8A55-F54A49D74153@bbsrc.ac.uk> <4ABCC8AC.2020902@moviestorm.co.uk> Message-ID: <4ABD21B2.2050605@latter.org> Johnnie Ingram wrote: > Google image search has given me a good example of what I'm after. The > three callouts in yellow on this image are the sort of thing I'm trying > to get: http://www.omnicharts.com/assets/images/welcome/chart.png I asked your question (in paraphrase) on another mailing list, and got this: bring up the drawing tools (view>toolbars>drawing) choose a callout shape click in the chart and drag the shape to size, move and fill appropriately. http://skitch.com/boldfish/nyip7/untitled-1-openoffice.org-calc From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Sat Sep 26 13:21:10 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:21:10 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> Message-ID: <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> > I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe > Czucha's wiki. There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/index.php/Index.php I'm not overly familiar with media wiki but it seems that it's not possible for an ordinary user to delete a page (I could edit the contents). It might be an idea to set the wiki so that edits can only be made by a user who has logged in. -- Drew Fitzsimmons From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sat Sep 26 13:27:01 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:27:01 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:21:10PM +0100, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > > I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe > > Czucha's wiki. > > There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: [...] > It might be an idea to set the wiki so that edits can only be made by > a user who has logged in. Yes I e-mail Joe yesterday to ask him about this. I haven't heard back from him yet. From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Sat Sep 26 13:54:10 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:54:10 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> Message-ID: <126d63860909260454i753e1cebx949c8a10b7fd921c@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:21:10PM +0100, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: >> > I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe >> > Czucha's wiki. >> >> There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: > [...] >> It might be an idea to set the wiki so that edits can only be made by >> a user who has logged in. > > Yes I e-mail Joe yesterday to ask him about this. ?I haven't heard back from > him yet. It seems that having Joe as sole controling party (sysop) for the wiki is a continuation of the single point of failure model we are trying to avoid. I would suggest that, the real decision to be made is not what the site should like, but what infrastructure to put in place to enable people with time and enthusiasm to contribute to do so. I think a wiki is a good idea but we need to have at least a few people with admin rights so that we are not relying on one person to keep on top of all the admin duties. -- Drew Fitzsimmons From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sat Sep 26 13:58:44 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:58:44 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <126d63860909260454i753e1cebx949c8a10b7fd921c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> <126d63860909260454i753e1cebx949c8a10b7fd921c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090926115844.GA6893@weber> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:54:10PM +0100, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Tom Ellis > wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:21:10PM +0100, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > >> > I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe > >> > Czucha's wiki. > >> > >> There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: > > [...] > >> It might be an idea to set the wiki so that edits can only be made by > >> a user who has logged in. > > > > Yes I e-mail Joe yesterday to ask him about this. ?I haven't heard back from > > him yet. > > It seems that having Joe as sole controling party (sysop) for the wiki > is a continuation of the single point of failure model we are trying > to avoid. > > I would suggest that, the real decision to be made is not what the > site should like, but what infrastructure to put in place to enable > people with time and enthusiasm to contribute to do so. > > I think a wiki is a good idea but we need to have at least a few > people with admin rights so that we are not relying on one person to > keep on top of all the admin duties. Yes I entirely agree with your points. From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Sat Sep 26 14:45:07 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:45:07 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20090926115844.GA6893@weber> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> <126d63860909260454i753e1cebx949c8a10b7fd921c@mail.gmail.com> <20090926115844.GA6893@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450909260545y69d6f3adtf4355aab656cfa6f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/26 Tom Ellis : > Yes I entirely agree with your points. Me too, though it's also good to have got this far. On another note, there's a good reCaptcha plugin for MediaWiki which is quite effective at spam reduction. Sam From johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk Mon Sep 28 11:05:36 2009 From: johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk (Johnnie Ingram) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:05:36 +0100 Subject: Annotating chart in OOo calc In-Reply-To: <4ABD21B2.2050605@latter.org> References: <4ABCC500.1030202@moviestorm.co.uk> <0940793F-6DCC-4885-8A55-F54A49D74153@bbsrc.ac.uk> <4ABCC8AC.2020902@moviestorm.co.uk> <4ABD21B2.2050605@latter.org> Message-ID: <4AC07C60.7030708@moviestorm.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 25/09/2009 21:01, Dom Latter wrote: > Johnnie Ingram wrote: >> Google image search has given me a good example of what I'm after. The >> three callouts in yellow on this image are the sort of thing I'm trying >> to get: http://www.omnicharts.com/assets/images/welcome/chart.png > > I asked your question (in paraphrase) on another mailing list, and got this: > > bring up the drawing tools (view>toolbars>drawing) > choose a callout shape > click in the chart and drag the shape to size, move and fill > appropriately. > > http://skitch.com/boldfish/nyip7/untitled-1-openoffice.org-calc > > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org Gawd bless ya, guv'nr - that's exactly what I needed. 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Name: johnnie_ingram.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 336 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090928/6275983f/attachment-0002.vcf From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Wed Sep 30 18:06:58 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:06:58 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4126b3450909260545y69d6f3adtf4355aab656cfa6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> <126d63860909260454i753e1cebx949c8a10b7fd921c@mail.gmail.com> <20090926115844.GA6893@weber> <4126b3450909260545y69d6f3adtf4355aab656cfa6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450909300906w7965c363j3cd5697b4d3521b9@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/26 Sam Kuper > On another note, there's a good reCaptcha plugin for MediaWiki which > is quite effective at spam reduction. I've just seen someone on a separate mailing list recommend Bad Behaviour[1], although I haven't tried it myself. [1]http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Bad_Behavior From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Wed Sep 9 17:23:50 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 16:23:50 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day Message-ID: Dear All, I've finally got provisional confirmation that we will have a pitch in the Market square for a Software Freedom day event on the morning of 19th September (next Saturday). For those of you who haven't been to one of these events previously it's a really fun morning where we grab people coming to the market and give out free CDs and tell them all about linux / open source software. Once people figure out that you're not trying to sell them anything they're usually really receptive to the idea. Can I please therefore ask you to upgrade the pencil notes in your diaries to pen, and to reply to this message to let me know if you can come along to help and what times you can make. We normally run the stall from a bit before 9am until ~1pm. I can supply tables plus a gazebo if the weather's not great, but I'll need help throughout the morning, and especially when setting up / taking down the stall. Things we have already: A few (very brightly coloured) t-shirts (first come first served!) Various stickers / posters / badges A load of ubuntu CDs A few balloons Things which would be good to have: A few laptops running linux for demonstration purposes Any other linux based hardware to display More balloons (preferably helium filled!) Any relevant posters to brighten the place up A load of OpenDisc discs (http://www.theopendisc.com/). We had some of these last year and they went like hot cakes - I'll happily burn a load, but if others could do some too that would be great. Leaflets explaining opensource (I've got the one from last year which I can update, but if anyone knows of any good sources or wants to write something that would be good). Anything else people can think of... If you can help out with any of these items please shout. Hopefully we can get enough people to turn out to make this years event as successful as it has been for the last couple of years. TTFN Simon. From onepoint at starurchin.org Wed Sep 9 22:59:50 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 21:59:50 +0100 Subject: OK, that's it, I'm switching to Windows :-) Message-ID: <20090909205950.GD15349@omphalos.singularity> I'd hate to miss out on the fun! http://notnews.today.com/2009/09/04/microsoft-arranges-spontaneous-house-parties-for-windows-7-launch/ Jeremy Henty From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Mon Sep 14 14:32:19 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:32:19 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom day [This Saturday] Message-ID: Thanks to those of you who have volunteered to help at the Software Freedom day event this Saturday. For those who haven't replied, it's not too late! We still have more free t-shirts than volunteers, and more hands would definitely be useful. As a member of a LUG this is likely to be your best chance this year to get someone new involved with Linux and free software in general. You don't have to be there all morning - just come for as long as you can make and it will really help. If you know of anyone not in the CLUG who might be interested in this then please pass the details on to them. The stall will be up from 9am - 1pm in front of the Guildhall in the market place in Cambridge. If you think you might be able to help out then please reply and let me know (but we're not going to turn you away if you turn up on the day!). I hope to see some of you on Saturday. TTFN Simon. From wawrzek at gmail.com Sat Sep 19 23:50:47 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:50:47 +0100 Subject: To user of O2 and potential other ISPs Message-ID: Hi, If you are using O2 broadband please check following website: http://www.jibble.org/o2-broadband-fail/ Clients of other ISPs might be affected as well. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Sat Sep 19 23:58:19 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:58:19 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day Message-ID: just wanted to say a big thankyou to everyone who turned up at the market square today to help out with the Software Freedom day event. We had a bit of a slow start, but we ended up handing out the bulk of the 200+ CDs we came with and many of the people we spoke to were receptive to the idea of free software, and several were seriously considering switching over to Linux. We also got a few people who were already using Linux and were happy to hear that there was a LUG in the area. All in all a good morning's work from all concerned (and it didn't rain!). Thanks again Simon. From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Sun Sep 20 00:03:49 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:03:49 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website Message-ID: At the software freedom day event today it was pointed out that out website (http://www.cambridge-lug.org/) is still really out of date and hasn't been updated in ages. Since pretty much all the activity for the group happens on the mailing list the consensus amongst those present was that a small static page giving some basic details about the LUG and how to get to the mailing list would be a more appropriate page to have up than what we now have. I've therefore had a go at putting together such a page. As you can see it's pretty minimal, but is hopefully welcoming enough to attract new people onto the list. I've temporarily put my attempt up at: www.proteo.me.uk/clug/ ...comments are welcome. TTFN Simon. From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 00:19:21 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:19:21 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/9/19 simon andrews (BI) : > ?just wanted to say a big thankyou to everyone who turned up at the market square today to help out with the Software Freedom day event. [...] > > All in all a good morning's work from all concerned (and it didn't rain!) I would say Again! - God (or gods) favours our cause :) Short list of things not to forget next year: - prepare Open Disk for Mac - maybe it's Cambridge Genius Loci, but more people seems to have Mac than Windows; - have good balloons for children (even Tesco are fine); Sweets are also fine. Anything else? It will be nice to have install part week after Freedom Software Day. To say people. Do you have any problem, we are here and here next Saturday. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From dom at latter.org Sun Sep 20 01:35:27 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 01:35:27 +0200 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AB56ABF.9070106@latter.org> simon andrews (BI) wrote: We seem to have this conversation regularly... > I've therefore had a go at putting together such a page. > > www.proteo.me.uk/clug/ Excellent. Some suggestions (hey, I'm a techie, I'm supposed to quibble): "used on everything from Desktop PCs and servers to toasters" not forgetting supercomputers, Google, etc. Which does raise the question - what's the audience? I'd be tempted to slip in "you already use Linux - you just don't know it". I'd surmise that most Linux users will just go ahead and sign up anyway; therefore the gloss should be aimed at the typical PC user. Also how about something like: "you don't have run Linux on your PC to join. We're happy to help people get to grips with Open Source alternatives like the _Firefox_ web browser, the _Thunderbird_ email program, and the _OpenOffice_ applications suite - even if you use Windows". [1] [2] "Equally if you are an experienced user looking to swap advice with your peers, then you are of course welcome. No question is too esoteric." "If you're interested in running Linux but don't want to change your current setup - no problem: simply download _Ubuntu_ or _Puppy_ to a CD and run it in 'demo' mode, without changing your current system in any way". "Using Linux is about choice: choosing a reliable and virus-free way of running your computer, and then choosing exactly how you want it to behave, rather than letting a multi-million dollar software company tell you. Sometimes there are so many choices that you need advice: that's where we come in". I realise that the above contains a fair amount of my own personal philosophy which may not be shared by everyone here. Is it over the top? It's very important to shy away from "religion": nobody likes being told that they're stupid because they still run Windows... Lastly: "people from Cambridge" - perhaps "connected to Cambridge"? I am not from Cambridge, and these days I spend most of my time elsewhere. But I'm still a Cluggy. And really really lastly - it could probably be tarted up a bit with some judicious CSS. It's the sort of webpage *I* like - clean, fast, minimal - but I'm not the typical user. I use Linux. [1] Which I hope reflects the attitude of the group as a whole. [2] Underscores indicate links, if that needs explaining. From paul at the-hug.org Sun Sep 20 10:28:01 2009 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:28:01 +0100 Subject: To user of O2 and potential other ISPs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AB5E791.7020504@the-hug.org> On 19/09/09 22:50, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > If you are using O2 broadband please check following website: > > http://www.jibble.org/o2-broadband-fail/ > > Clients of other ISPs might be affected as well. Good work by the author. I think I would have given up long before he finally got a result from O2. -- Paul From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Sun Sep 20 11:21:52 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 10:21:52 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: <4AB56ABF.9070106@latter.org> References: , <4AB56ABF.9070106@latter.org> Message-ID: simon andrews (BI) wrote: > > I've therefore had a go at putting together such a page. > > > > www.proteo.me.uk/clug/ > Dom Latter [dom at latter.org] wrote > Excellent. > > Some suggestions (hey, I'm a techie, I'm supposed to quibble): > > "used on everything from Desktop PCs and servers to toasters" > not forgetting supercomputers, Google, etc. Which does raise > the question - what's the audience? I'd be tempted to slip in > "you already use Linux - you just don't know it". Fair enough - I've expanded the range a bit! > I'd surmise that most Linux users will just go ahead and sign up > anyway; therefore the gloss should be aimed at the typical PC user. I suspect that anyone ending up on that page was probably looking for us anyway. Our main job would be to not put them off! > Also how about something like: > I realise that the above contains a fair amount of my own personal > philosophy which may not be shared by everyone here. Is it over the > top? It's very important to shy away from "religion": nobody likes > being told that they're stupid because they still run Windows... I don't disagree with what you wrote, but I'm concious of trying to keep the front page as succinct as possible. I expanded the introductory paragraph along the lines you suggested. > Lastly: > "people from Cambridge" - perhaps "connected to Cambridge"? > I am not from Cambridge, and these days I spend most of my > time elsewhere. But I'm still a Cluggy. Now you're getting really picky :-) I changed it to people from 'around Cambridge' would seem to be generally true. > And really really lastly - it could probably be tarted up a bit > with some judicious CSS. It's the sort of webpage *I* like - > clean, fast, minimal - but I'm not the typical user. I use Linux. Maybe some animated gifs and a flash welcome screen? Something a bit more specific than 'judicious CSS' would be useful. It already has 91 lines of shining CSS - how many did you want? I make no claims to be a graphic designer, so if anyone has concrete suggestions for improvements (or better - patches!) then please feel free to get stuck in. I should stress that I'm not touting this as the best web pages we're ever likely to get - just something we can put in place which won't age and which will act as a placeholder until someone is willing to put the time/energy into putting something more comprehensive together. Simon. From darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk Sun Sep 20 11:33:07 2009 From: darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk (darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:33:07 +0000 Subject: Software Freedom Day Message-ID: Hi, So I only joined this mailing list yesterday, after emailing someone off of the Users list on your website, and I read about the plans to have a stall in cambridge to promote The SFD but no-one is here. I know I didnt mention to anyone that I would be helping out (due to my late joining) so maybe there wasnt enough volunteers and you gave up or something but I was expecting someone to be here. Not a rant, just wondering why I'm alone xD Jinux _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organise, edit, and share your photos. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090920/df04a4f8/attachment-0002.htm From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Sun Sep 20 12:00:48 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:00:48 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ________________________________________ From: clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org [clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org] On Behalf Of darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk [darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk] Sent: 20 September 2009 10:33 To: clug at cambridge-lug.org Subject: Software Freedom Day Hi, > So I only joined this mailing list yesterday, after emailing someone off of the Users list on > your website, and I read about the plans to have a stall in cambridge to promote The SFD but no-one is here. Software Freedom Day was yesterday (Saturday), and we were in the Market Square all morning, in front of the Guildhall. We were in eye-wateringly bright green t-shirts, and I thought we were pretty hard to miss. Sorry you didn't find us, but the event definitely did go ahead. > I know I didnt mention to anyone that I would be helping out (due to my late joining) so maybe > there wasnt enough volunteers and you gave up or something but I was expecting someone to be here. >From the way you worded your mail it sounds like you came today (Sunday)? If so I commend your efforts, but unfortunately you might have been a bit late. SFD is an annual event so hopefully we will be repeating the event next year. In the mean time there are monthly meetings of the CLUG which we'd love to see you at. TTFN Simon. From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sun Sep 20 12:38:47 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:38:47 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090920103847.GB2952@weber> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 11:03:49PM +0100, simon andrews (BI) wrote: > I've therefore had a go at putting together such a page. As you can see > it's pretty minimal, but is hopefully welcoming enough to attract new > people onto the list. I've temporarily put my attempt up at: Great idea, but don't forget we've already got several of those, including my favorite: http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/ I suppose whoever can convince Thomas Horsten to give them access to the webserver wins. (I do believe I have access, but not write access to the web directory) Tom From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 13:55:37 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:55:37 +0100 Subject: Problem with wireless Debian/Ubuntu Server Message-ID: Hi, I've got problem with WPA2-PSK wireless on my Ubuntu LTS Server (8.04?). It's server so it's not using any NetworkManager or similar but Debian wrappers around wpa_supplicant [1]. I think that the problem is that somehow it create two keys (I don't have idea how) and the first one (default) is wrong. Last time I could force system to use second key, but I cannot now. I've also cannot find any option which can do this in /etc/network/interfaces. Any ideas? Wawrzek [1] http://wiki.debian.org/WPA -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From matt at darkotter.com Sun Sep 20 16:12:48 2009 From: matt at darkotter.com (Matthew Gadd) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:12:48 +0100 Subject: Problem with wireless Debian/Ubuntu Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <905ef2bb0909200712j42e7df2s2c5f96b04ca676f1@mail.gmail.com> I have an old computer I sometimes run as a server downstairs which I have set up on the home WPA2-PSK network. Give me 10 or 20 mins to start it up (it's sloooooowwww) and I'll check how I've done it, iirc I used some kind of settings in /etc/network/interfaces. We have a passphrase on our network - are you looking to use a passphrase or just an ASCII or HEX key? 2009/9/20 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : > Hi, > > I've got problem with WPA2-PSK wireless on my Ubuntu LTS Server > (8.04?). It's server so it's not using any NetworkManager or similar > but Debian wrappers around wpa_supplicant [1]. > > I think that the problem is that somehow it create two keys (I don't > have idea how) and the first one (default) is wrong. Last time I could > force system to use second key, but I cannot now. I've also cannot > find any option which can do this in /etc/network/interfaces. > > Any ideas? > > Wawrzek > [1] http://wiki.debian.org/WPA > -- > ?Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski ? ? ?vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN > ? ?Linux User #177124 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com > ?PhD in Quantum Chemistry ? ? ? ? ? ?WWW: http://wawrzek.name > ?MSc in Molecular Engineering ? ? ? ? ? JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Matthew Gadd hello at darkotter.com GPG: 85D8 4519 E52D 9E8B 3DDF 6867 E3E7 B658 94D5 9FB5 Blog: http://darkotter.wordpress.com/ From darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk Sun Sep 20 16:36:07 2009 From: darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk (darkness_draped at hotmail.co.uk) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:36:07 +0000 Subject: xD My Bad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hahahahaha, Sorry for my complaining, I was a day late xD _________________________________________________________________ MSN straight to your mobile - news, entertainment, videos and more. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090920/a96ebf45/attachment-0003.htm From matt at darkotter.com Sun Sep 20 16:37:31 2009 From: matt at darkotter.com (Matthew Gadd) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:37:31 +0100 Subject: Problem with wireless Debian/Ubuntu Server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <905ef2bb0909200737j3108606al31ca79f22f8c743a@mail.gmail.com> Right, on my old computer, I installed the standard Ubuntu 9.04 server version, then I checked wpasupplicant was installed (I think it already was). Then, I generated the hexadecimal key for our network from the passphrase, so I ran: wpa_passphrase "NETWORK_SSID" Then typed in the passphrase and pressed enter (I know you probably already knew this, just telling you in case). The hexadecimal key is the second 'psk=' line (not the one that's commented out) in the output. I then edited the entry for my wireless card in /etc/network/interfaces to this: iface wlan0 inet static address 192.168.1.159 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.1.1 wpa-ssid {NETWORK_SSID} wpa-psk {HEXADECIMAL_KEY} I then restarted the server, and it worked (hopefully it will for you too). Of course you'll want to change the address, netmask etc. lines to whatever is correct for your server, and replace the {NETWORK_SSID} and {HEXADECIMAL_KEY} with their respective values, I'm sure you get the idea. As I said this was on the ubuntu jaunty server, but I imagine it should work on the LTS version as well. 2009/9/20 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : > Hi, > > I've got problem with WPA2-PSK wireless on my Ubuntu LTS Server > (8.04?). It's server so it's not using any NetworkManager or similar > but Debian wrappers around wpa_supplicant [1]. > > I think that the problem is that somehow it create two keys (I don't > have idea how) and the first one (default) is wrong. Last time I could > force system to use second key, but I cannot now. I've also cannot > find any option which can do this in /etc/network/interfaces. > > Any ideas? > > Wawrzek > [1] http://wiki.debian.org/WPA > -- > ?Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski ? ? ?vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN > ? ?Linux User #177124 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com > ?PhD in Quantum Chemistry ? ? ? ? ? ?WWW: http://wawrzek.name > ?MSc in Molecular Engineering ? ? ? ? ? JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Matthew Gadd hello at darkotter.com GPG: 85D8 4519 E52D 9E8B 3DDF 6867 E3E7 B658 94D5 9FB5 Blog: http://darkotter.wordpress.com/ From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 17:43:32 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:43:32 +0100 Subject: Problem with wireless Debian/Ubuntu Server In-Reply-To: <905ef2bb0909200737j3108606al31ca79f22f8c743a@mail.gmail.com> References: <905ef2bb0909200737j3108606al31ca79f22f8c743a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/9/20 Matthew Gadd : > Right, on my old computer, I installed the standard Ubuntu 9.04 server > version, then I checked wpasupplicant was installed (I think it > already was). [...] > iface wlan0 inet static > ? ? ? ?address 192.168.1.159 > ? ? ? ?netmask 255.255.255.0 > ? ? ? ?gateway 192.168.1.1 > ? ? ? ?wpa-ssid {NETWORK_SSID} > ? ? ? ?wpa-psk {HEXADECIMAL_KEY} > It's exactly what is not working for me. I'm tempting to do it manually using iwconfig, but not sure how to use iwconfig and wpa2. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 18:19:52 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:19:52 +0100 Subject: Problem with wireless Debian/Ubuntu Server In-Reply-To: References: <905ef2bb0909200737j3108606al31ca79f22f8c743a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, [...] So I did what I had one last time iwconfig wlan0 key [2] dhclient3 wlan0 and this time it started to work. Anyway I think I'll raise the bug with ubuntu. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From robert at cantab.net Mon Sep 21 10:54:57 2009 From: robert at cantab.net (Robert Schumann) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:54:57 +0100 Subject: To user of O2 and potential other ISPs In-Reply-To: <4AB5E791.7020504@the-hug.org> References: <4AB5E791.7020504@the-hug.org> Message-ID: 2009/9/20 Paul Oldham > On 19/09/09 22:50, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > > > If you are using O2 broadband please check following website: > > > > http://www.jibble.org/o2-broadband-fail/ > > > > Clients of other ISPs might be affected as well. > > Very, very interesting. I have O2 broadband at home, and recently had occasion to want to investigate my router's settings, but none of the username/password combinations I recall using with the router worked. I ignored it because.... ...about 10 days ago my broadband went down. O2's solution to any problem is to send out a new router, which should be arriving today (hence I'm not too concerned about being locked out of my current router). It's helpful to know that the password is now set to the serial number. Odd thing is, BT is aware of a problem on my line which is interfering with ADSL, to do with a tree nixing the cable. O2's second line support didn't seem aware or willing to consider that this was not a router-related problem. Ah well. I guess they're too busy fending off support calls with the response "it meets our standards". Robert. > Good work by the author. I think I would have given up long before he > finally got a result from O2. > -- > Paul > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090921/766df095/attachment-0003.htm From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 19:09:35 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:09:35 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <126d63860909211009l6a1eb56ay2ae2db0877702e8e@mail.gmail.com> Woow! my Internet connection is back (that is until virgin media come to play with the green box again tomorrow and end up breaking it again). It was good too see everyone on Saturday. I really enjoyed it (despite the unnaturally early start :) and it has made me determined to make an effort to turn up to CB2 for meetings. Thanks Simon for doing a good job getting it organised. -- Drew Fitzsimmons From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 19:26:13 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:26:13 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <126d63860909211026y43861a6l2b663d82402a8344@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 11:03 PM, simon andrews (BI) wrote: > ...comments are welcome. I like it. In my opinion this is exactly what we need. It's simple, succinct, doesn't need much maintenance and (IMO) looks very good. It could, in future, include a link to a wiki (if such a wiki existed) which could be edited by any member of the LUG. -- Drew Fitzsimmons From alspnost at gmail.com Tue Sep 22 00:01:43 2009 From: alspnost at gmail.com (Alastair Stevens) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:01:43 +0100 Subject: To user of O2 and potential other ISPs In-Reply-To: References: <4AB5E791.7020504@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <4536e91b0909211501v508fb834x5cd5e5073bd9928e@mail.gmail.com> > ...about 10 days ago my broadband went down. O2's solution to any problem is > to send out a new router, which should be arriving today (hence I'm not too > concerned about being locked out of my current router). It's helpful to know > that the password is now set to the serial number. > > Odd thing is, BT is aware of a problem on my line which is interfering with > ADSL, to do with a tree nixing the cable. O2's second line support didn't > seem aware or willing to consider that this was not a router-related > problem. Ah well. I guess they're too busy fending off support calls with > the response "it meets our standards". Interesting - we had O2 broadband for over a year, and the service and speed was always excellent. I found the router to be an absolute miserable pig to configure "properly" though - it's designed for Harry Homeowner, which is fine, but for geeks it's simply terrible. I discovered eventually that manually hacking the config file and re-uploading it was massively quicker and more reliable (once you've figured out the format) - perhaps everyone else already does this? Then O2 slightly soured things by accusing me of not returning my router after terminating due to a house move - but later relented and admitted that they had received it. Now we're with BT (gulp), and I have to say that the broadband itself has been faultless (and equally fast); the general customer service is comically awful as usual, though. Sadly, the BT HomeHub router looks pretty but uses a noddy interface, and the config file is binary so can't be hacked manually :-( Never mind, got it working properly eventually. As for security, who knows? But there are only well-maintained Linux boxes on this network, so I won't panic too much :-) Cheers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From mark_w at techie.com Tue Sep 22 13:22:31 2009 From: mark_w at techie.com (Mark Wyatt) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:22:31 +0000 Subject: CLUG Website Message-ID: <20090922112231.86820326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> Sorry to send what is largely a 'me too' e-mail, but > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:03:49 +0100 > From: "simon andrews (BI)" ... > > At the software freedom day event today it was pointed out that out > website (http://www.cambridge-lug.org/) is still really out of date > and hasn't been updated in ages. > That has been pointed out over and over again, and what usually happens is that someone has an over-ambitious idea of what should be done, tries to force that through on their own and either fails directly, or does something that no one is happy with and is never used.... > Since pretty much all the activity for the group happens on the > mailing list the consensus amongst those present was that a small > static page giving some basic details about the LUG and how to get > to the mailing list would be a more appropriate page to have up > than what we now have. At one time, when the web page didn't seem so obviously out of date (and that _is_ a few years ago) there was probably more activity in the Sunday meetings, than on the mailing list. I wouldn't say that the website is the only cause of the collapse of the face-to-face meetings, but it may be a factor. > > I've therefore had a go at putting together such a page. As you > can see it's pretty minimal, but is hopefully welcoming enough to > attract new people onto the list. I've temporarily put my attempt > up at: > > www.proteo.me.uk/clug/ > > ...comments are welcome. In spite of the fact this is a brilliant effort, I would still quibble with the following: -previously there was a clearer acknowledgement that although the group was called a Linux group all of FLOSS, whether it was Firefox or a BSD, was within our ambit. -" from around Cambridge" that still doesn't cope with the point that many people who are resident in this area aren't _from_ Cambridge or even the surrounding area. All you really need to point out is that the meeting occurs in Cambridge (the UK bit is a vital point, though). -"Most of the activity of this groups happens on our mailing list." Well, it does now, but I don't think that you should pre-suppose that it always will. I'd prefer 'much' to 'most', as you probably wouldn't have to edit the website if things do change around, but you could just point out the mailing list. -"we regularly arrange informal..." This should be correct, but right now it would be closer to say "we irregularly arrange..." except for the "arrange" part, which, at the very least, is an unfulfilled ambition. I'm not sure that you should write "we irregularly don't arrange meetings..." though. It's unclear who that would help. :-) "Meetings are announced on the mailing list," "People use the mailing list to check out meetings" or something or "newcomers often use the mailing list to check out the next meeting". "the touble with Linux users" How dare you suggests that there is any touble with Linux users at all? They are clearly the most advanced form of sentient being and will be until the next kernel is released, when they will need upgrading! > Maybe some animated gifs and a flash welcome screen? Please, no. Well, not the flash bit, anyway. > > It will be nice to have install part week after Freedom Software Day. > To say people. Do you have any problem, we are here and here next > Saturday. > Now that's a very good idea for next year, but that's a long time off. Is there anything else that we should 'theme' an install day around? Like posters up around Cambridge colleges with an install day once every is back at colleges? >From: Tom Ellis >... >> I've therefore had a go at putting together such a page. As you can see >> it's pretty minimal, but is hopefully welcoming enough to attract new >> people onto the list. I've temporarily put my attempt up at: > >Great idea, but don't forget we've already got several of those, including >my favorite: > >http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/ > >I suppose whoever can convince Thomas Horsten to give them access to the >webserver wins. (I do believe I have access, but not write access to the >web directory) > >Tom I don't think that a wiki is in any way a bad thing, but my impression is that it would take more hassle to get everyone to agree to a the principle of a wiki than just to change the existing static web page. But, as I've pointed about before, as the existing page breaks Bruce Perens' rules for Linux Users Groups, I'd settle for anything that gets the info on the meetings correct. It would probably be best to have the minimal static front page, as is suggested, and link off to a wiki that could be more dynamic, but whether that will actually happen... The big thing, however, is that we need to put it in place. Without that it is just another attempt at updating the site which never happened. What has to happen now so that it can happen? And who will be responsible for updates once it has happened? Mark -- An Excellent Credit Score is 750 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Tue Sep 22 13:36:28 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:36:28 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: <20090922112231.86820326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090922112231.86820326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20090922113628.GA6422@weber> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:22:31AM +0000, Mark Wyatt wrote: > That has been pointed out over and over again, and what usually happens > is that someone has an over-ambitious idea of what should be done, tries > to force that through on their own and either fails directly, or does > something that no one is happy with and is never used.... The main problem seems to be actually getting access to the server. From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Tue Sep 22 13:41:30 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:41:30 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: <20090922113628.GA6422@weber> References: <20090922112231.86820326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> <20090922113628.GA6422@weber> Message-ID: On 22 Sep 2009, at 12:36, Tom Ellis wrote: > The main problem seems to be actually getting access to the server. We need to get in touch with Thomas Horsten. A quick bit of googling suggests the address listed on the website for him is still alive and that he's still in the area. I'd be happy to help out with updating the website if Thomas isn't able to find the time. It would probably be good if two or three people had access to the server to be able to make changes so we don't end up in this situation again. Does anyone know or have any contact with Thomas? Could you give him a nudge and see if he's willing to get this moving again? Thanks Simon. From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Tue Sep 22 13:03:30 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:03:30 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: References: <20090922112231.86820326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> <20090922113628.GA6422@weber> Message-ID: <4AB8AF02.2080400@jul17pri.co.uk> Simon Andrews wrote: > On 22 Sep 2009, at 12:36, Tom Ellis wrote: > >> The main problem seems to be actually getting access to the server. > > We need to get in touch with Thomas Horsten. A quick bit of googling > suggests the address listed on the website for him is still alive and > that he's still in the area. I will get in touch with him - been meaning to do that since the last flurry of emails on the subject Thanks, Julian From dom at latter.org Tue Sep 22 14:24:22 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:24:22 +0200 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: References: <20090922112231.86820326701@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> <20090922113628.GA6422@weber> Message-ID: <4AB8C1F6.8050205@latter.org> Simon Andrews wrote: > I'd be happy to help out with updating the website if Thomas isn't > able to find the time. It would probably be good if two or three > people had access to the server to be able to make changes so we don't > end up in this situation again. Alternatively get the nameservers changed to something under communal control (e.g. an account with everydns.net where the login details are known to three list members). Once that is done we continue to point the domain at Thomas's servers, if we want. But we won't have this problem of being locked out of our own domain. I'm sure that between us we have a number of properly-hosted webservers available. But get the domain DNS back under communal control and everything else can follow. From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Tue Sep 22 15:16:58 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:16:58 +0100 Subject: FS: 1U servers, CPUs and memory Message-ID: <4AB8CE4A.2000702@mansfield.co.uk> We recently went through a big upgrade cycle as we use java and the product needed more memory, and I thought CLUG members might be interested in hardware that's proven to work well with linux, and more importantly, heavily discounted! We're selling comprising servers (complete except for hard drives) and CPUs and memory left over after various upgrades. Please note the prices below *do*not* include VAT at 15%. Offers made should not include vat. Prices are a starting point, a "buy it now" if you like. Please make your offer along with the quantity, offers will be prioritised according to amount, quantity and whether you reply in HTML email. Cleared funds required before collection from Cambridge Science Park. Can pay cash, BACS or wire transfer, if you pay bu cheque we'd have to hold the goods until it clears. We don't have packaging unless stated. A formal VAT invoice will be raised for you by our accounts people. All equipment has been used, is sold as seen, some has manufacturer's warranty left but it would be you as buyer who'd be responsible for checking. You'd be welcome to check the serial numbers at the time of purchasing/collection. You'd also be welcome to test the equipment (e.g. boot servers) except the boxed CPUs, they came from working system and we are very confident they do work (and I'm pretty sure they are still in warranty). *** CPUs * Intel Xeon L5320 ?130+vat each = in full retail packs (box, heatsink/fan) previously used for L5420, all the same stepping level so you could buy matched pairs for dual CPU goodness. we have twelve. ?110+vat - without retail pack, no box, no heatsink/fan. * CPU: Intel core2duo e6700 ?110+vat in full retail pack, used (not overclocked), from upgrading a desktop. these aren't particularly common having a larger cache and higher clock speed. *** RAM - 2GB DDR2 ECC Reg 667MHz Kingston give these a lifetime warranty and we have retail packaging for pretty much all of them, hence price is relatively high compared to new. Note that being ECC Reg they probably won't work in domestic computers' motherboards so check compatibility. 4 of Kingston KVR667D2D8P5 - http://tinyurl.com/KVR667D2D8P5 (2GB DDR2 DIMM - dual rank 667MHz ECC Reg/Parity CL5) 20 of Kingston KVR667D2D4P5 - http://tinyurl.com/KVR667D2D4P5 (2GB DDR2 DIMM - dual-rank 667MHz ECC REG/Parity CL5) ?12+vat each *** servers All servers come with rail kit for 19" rack mounting, various random bracket accessories and an IEC c13-c14 power cable. The Tyans have serial port, twin gig e1000 intel, single 10/100m e100 intel, ps2 keyboard & mouse, rear and front usb ports, some random video chip onboard with VGA socket on the back, a PCI-X 64-bit riser, AHCI SATA non-raid works perfectly with linux. They're definitely not sh*t, we've had very very few problems with them and the motherboards probably still have warranty. We'd probably keep them if we could fit more memory, but that's what happens when you have java programmers! The M3291 management cards in the Tyans are free because we never made use of them and we can't provide any technical detail for their use nor can we even promise they work (although they probably do). Photos of a Tyan at http://www.flickr.com/photos/12629882 at N05/tags/tyan/ The Tyans came from Sentral, all have Sentral serial numbers apart from a couple bought as "bare-bones" to be cold spares that got built. The Supermicros were bought from Boston Micros. * Tyan 1U lower-spec server - no hard drives only one of these. ?160+vat Intel core2duo (E4300) 1.8GHz with 2GB of RAM built-in CD quality branded memory S5191G3NR motherboard: http://www.tyan.com/product_board_detail.aspx?pid=343 GT20 1U chassis with 4 hotswap SATA bays: http://www.tyan.com/archive/products/html/kgt20-500.html IEC mains, rail kit comes with FREE remote management card, * Tyan 1U intermediate server - no hard drives only two of these. ?175+vat Intel core2duo (E6600) 2.4GHz with 2GB of RAM built-in CD quality branded memory S5191G3NR motherboard: http://www.tyan.com/product_board_detail.aspx?pid=343 GT20 1U chassis with 4 hotswap SATA bays: http://www.tyan.com/archive/products/html/kgt20-500.html IEC mains, rail kit comes with FREE remote management card * Tyan 1U standard server - no hard drives twenty-five of these ?200+vat Intel core2duo (E6600) 2.4GHz with 8GB of RAM built-in CD quality branded memory S5191G3NR motherboard: http://www.tyan.com/product_board_detail.aspx?pid=343 GT20 1U chassis with 4 hotswap SATA bays: http://www.tyan.com/archive/products/html/kgt20-500.html IEC mains, rail kit comes with FREE remote management card * Supermicro PDSMI+ 1U servers - no hard drives we never found out why but these sometimes lock up when you reboot them, they run perfectly when power-cycled though. for this reason the price is sweeter than an equivalent Tyan. we have all the accessories that came with them - the plastic drive bay inserts and various rail adaptors and cable wotsits that I never found a use for! ?160+vat Intel core2duo (E6600) 2.4GHz with 4GB memory built-in CD generic/cheap memory PDSMI+ motherboard http://tinyurl.com/pdsmiplus Supermicro 1U chassis (as link, but black) http://tinyurl.com/qh46ce * Dell 1U server SC1425 - no hard drives just one of these ?150 single 3.2GHz Xeon (Pentium D type?) type SC1425 (two internal drive bays, two CPU slots one empty) build-in DVD 1GB RAM From mark_w at techie.com Thu Sep 24 12:49:12 2009 From: mark_w at techie.com (Mark Wyatt) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:49:12 +0000 Subject: CLUG Website Message-ID: <20090924104912.D30AE606865@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:41:30 +0100 > From: Simon Andrews > Subject: Re: CLUG Website > To: Cambridge LUG > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > > On 22 Sep 2009, at 12:36, Tom Ellis wrote: > > > The main problem seems to be actually getting access to the server. > > We need to get in touch with Thomas Horsten. A quick bit of googling > suggests the address listed on the website for him is still alive and > that he's still in the area. > > I'd be happy to help out with updating the website if Thomas isn't > able to find the time. It would probably be good if two or three > people had access to the server to be able to make changes so we don't > end up in this situation again. > > Does anyone know or have any contact with Thomas? Could you give him > a nudge and see if he's willing to get this moving again? > > Thanks > > Simon. > Well, while it is true that getting access to the server is how the problem presents itself, I am not convinced that this is the main problem or the root cause. Remember that usually when we have tried to do this in the past, while there has been general agreement that what we have now is not what we want, there has not been agreement on what we want instead. There has usually been someone in 'lone wolf' mode who has something (or is allegedly about to have something) that they think we ought to want, but there has been no widespread agreement that it is in detail what we actually want. In that circumstance, it is clear that the suggestion will have little positive support and may well have a strong element of passive resistance. Whether that is a factor, or not, but with that as a background, it is unclear how Thomas should arbitrate between competing interests who each have a version that should be instantiated in place of what is there now (he probably shouldn't be in that position, but we have no other gatekeeper). I am hoping that isn't a factor today, but it would be wise to clear that issue up for the future. It is probably fine when we have universal agreement on exactly what should be done, but this is a conclave of techies, so that isn't exactly the likeliest outcome. Err, or, at the very least, not all that quickly... -- An Excellent Credit Score is 750 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Thu Sep 24 13:14:57 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:14:57 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website References: <71C5056B-B910-4CD6-BA10-270331E8A157@proteo.me.uk> Message-ID: [Sending again from the account which is actually subscribed to the list] On 24 Sep 2009, at 11:49, Mark Wyatt wrote: >> Well, while it is true that getting access to the server is how the >> problem > presents itself, I am not convinced that this is the main problem or > the > root cause. > > Remember that usually when we have tried to do this in the past, > while there > has been general agreement that what we have now is not what we > want, there > has not been agreement on what we want instead. I'm sure this is an ongoing debate which can be had. My main reason for bringing this up again was the fact that what we actually have up now is out of date and flat out wrong. Whatever people's thoughts on the matter then at least putting up a simple (but accurate) holding page which points people to the mailing list would have to be an improvement. > There has usually been someone in 'lone wolf' mode who has something > (or is > allegedly about to have something) that they think we ought to want, > but there > has been no widespread agreement that it is in detail what we > actually want. > > In that circumstance, it is clear that the suggestion will have > little positive > support and may well have a strong element of passive resistance. Well, the general axiom in these situations is that code speaks louder than words. If the CLUG wants a more elaborate website then someone needs to step up and create it and be prepared to stand behind it and keep it maintained. If a few people have different ideas about what should happen then, since reaching a consensus about these things is almost impossible so have everyone put up a mockup of their site and we can take a poll among interested parties. If people aren't bothered enough about a proposal to do something themselves then that should influence the weight given to their opinions. In fact, this is in the finest tradition of open source. I may have strong opinions about how OpenOffice should work, but unless I'm providing patches or maintaining my own fork then who the hell is going to listen to me? > Whether that is a factor, or not, but with that as a background, it > is unclear > how Thomas should arbitrate between competing interests who each > have a version > that should be instantiated in place of what is there now (he > probably shouldn't > be in that position, but we have no other gatekeeper). I am hoping > that isn't a > factor today, but it would be wise to clear that issue up for the > future. At the moment I don't see much to arbitrate about. Noone has spoken up in favour of keeping the existing site. I've seen two options for a holding page, either of which I'd be happy to go with but heck we can hold a poll if we want to decide between them. Other than that noone has got stuck in and made anything. I'd love to see a richer web site but I'm not volunteering to do that. I'd happily support anyone else who did want to do so. Simon. From dom at latter.org Thu Sep 24 13:26:28 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:26:28 +0200 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: References: <71C5056B-B910-4CD6-BA10-270331E8A157@proteo.me.uk> Message-ID: <4ABB5764.6070201@latter.org> Simon Andrews wrote: > At the moment I don't see much to arbitrate about. Noone has spoken > up in favour of keeping the existing site. AFAIAC somebody can appoint themselves benevolent dictator of the CLUG site and I won't complain. But I think the main thing is getting the whois record updated to use name servers under communal control. From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Thu Sep 24 18:56:47 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:56:47 +0100 Subject: CLUG Website In-Reply-To: <4ABB5764.6070201@latter.org> References: <71C5056B-B910-4CD6-BA10-270331E8A157@proteo.me.uk> <4ABB5764.6070201@latter.org> Message-ID: <20090924165647.GA5585@weber> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 01:26:28PM +0200, Dom Latter wrote: > Simon Andrews wrote: > > At the moment I don't see much to arbitrate about. Noone has spoken > > up in favour of keeping the existing site. > > AFAIAC somebody can appoint themselves benevolent dictator of the CLUG > site and I won't complain. It turns out I *do* have write access to the CLUG web directories, so I have benevolently dictated that for the time being, the CLUG domain names will redirect to Joe Czucha's wiki. Edit and discuss away ... Tom From thomas at horsten.com Fri Sep 25 11:01:22 2009 From: thomas at horsten.com (Thomas Horsten) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:01:22 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> Hi Julian 2009/9/24 Julian Price : > Hi Thomas > > Our current inability to update the website is really holding CLUG back. I > think if we could update the site we could get meetings going again and > develop a really thriving group. > > Are you willing to give write access to me or anyone else? Do you need some > sort of consensus from the group? We could arrange a face-to-face meeting of > the group at CB2 and have a vote if that would help. There are and have been several members of the list, including people participatinig in this thread (right, Dom?) who have access to the server and can update the website. I am quite happy to give access to anyone who want to take on the job of maintaining the website. Regarding consensus please keep the discussion on the list (copied) and if I don't hear any objections I'll give you and/or whoever else wants to work with you access. I don't think a face to face meeting is needed for this although it would probably be good for the group anyway! What I think *is* needed is an idea of what we want for the site before someone just starts writing HTML or PHP. As always please copy me in directly on mails pertaining to this as I don't always get around to reading the list in a timely manner. Cheers Thomas From dom at latter.org Fri Sep 25 11:26:29 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:26:29 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> Thomas Horsten wrote: > There are and have been several members of the list, including people > participatinig in this thread (right, Dom?) who have access to the > server and can update the website. My apologies. I was under the impression that nobody had access to make changes, and that nobody was able to (easily) get hold of you. I still think that changing the nameservers to a communal everydns.net account would be a good idea. From thomas at horsten.com Fri Sep 25 12:31:56 2009 From: thomas at horsten.com (Thomas Horsten) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:31:56 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> Message-ID: <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> Hi Dom, 2009/9/25 Dom Latter : > My apologies. ?I was under the impression that nobody had access to make > changes, and that nobody was able to (easily) get hold of you. Sorry I thought you were one of those with access. Here's the list of people who currently have access. Please can we decide on who should be removed and added from that list: Jan M. Dziewulski Joseph Birr-Pixton Mark Roberts Tom Huckstep > I still think that changing the nameservers to a communal everydns.net > account would be a good idea. I never had much love for free DNS services. My server occasionally changes IP and I like to be able to update everything from one place. Cheers, Thomas From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Sep 25 12:36:17 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:36:17 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:31:56AM +0100, Thomas Horsten wrote: > Tom Huckstep NB that's me, and I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe Czucha's wiki. I can also do whatever else is necessary as the community decides. Tom From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Fri Sep 25 12:29:24 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:29:24 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ABC9B84.6080900@jul17pri.co.uk> Hi Thomas > Regarding consensus please keep the discussion on the list Yes, I posted that I was going to contact you, but I should have cc'd the list, good point. Thanks for donating your time and resources to maintaining CLUG. It is appreciated by me and I'm sure the rest of the group's participants. However, This year's website paralysis highlights the disadvantage of ultimate control over CLUG's domains being held by a single member. lug.org.uk exists to solve this problem. As well as providing hosting for websites and mailing lists, it has a process to pass control from one administrator to another, even if the old administrator is no longer contactable. http://lug.org.uk Would you consider transferring the CLUG domains to them if there was support among the group? Thanks, Julian From johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk Fri Sep 25 15:26:24 2009 From: johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk (Johnnie Ingram) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:26:24 +0100 Subject: Annotating chart in OOo calc Message-ID: <4ABCC500.1030202@moviestorm.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Afternoon chaps and chapesses. Not strictly a Linux question, but I think there's sufficient chance that somebody on this list will have domain expertise to help me. My question is simple: Am I going out of my mind, or is there no way to add annotations to a chart in OpenOffice.org Calc? Trying to convince a colleague to make the switch from MSOffice, and so far I have no response to his accusation that OOo can't do this. In all honesty, I only have his word that MSOffice can do it, since I haven't used it for a good six or seven years, but either way it seems like a weird omission. Cheers, Johnnie - -- ___________________ Johnnie Ingram Product Manager Short Fuze Limited ___________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkq8xPAACgkQ4J4LFInQ/fO1VQCeISQ/w+eE2U+K/l1wcTH1ECYS dI8AniOUhTTnhoIgq00ThrEa6op99uth =yQLh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If so then I usually do it by copy/pasting it into OO Draw and editing it there as a picture. Simon. From johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk Fri Sep 25 15:42:04 2009 From: johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk (Johnnie Ingram) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:42:04 +0100 Subject: Annotating chart in OOo calc In-Reply-To: <0940793F-6DCC-4885-8A55-F54A49D74153@bbsrc.ac.uk> References: <4ABCC500.1030202@moviestorm.co.uk> <0940793F-6DCC-4885-8A55-F54A49D74153@bbsrc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4ABCC8AC.2020902@moviestorm.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 25/09/2009 14:30, Simon Andrews wrote: > > On 25 Sep 2009, at 14:26, Johnnie Ingram wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Afternoon chaps and chapesses. >> >> Not strictly a Linux question, but I think there's sufficient chance >> that somebody on this list will have domain expertise to help me. My >> question is simple: >> >> Am I going out of my mind, or is there no way to add annotations to a >> chart in OpenOffice.org Calc? > > Do you just mean adding extra labels / arrows etc on top? If so then > I usually do it by copy/pasting it into OO Draw and editing it there > as a picture. > > Simon. > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org That would work as a kludge, I suppose. But what I'd ideally like to do is to preserve the tabular data in the spreadsheet. All I'm trying to achieve is to add a couple of balloon-like callouts at different points on my line graph, saying meaningless mutual backslapping things like "Here's where we started our new advertising campaign - look at the corresponding jump in sales" - explanations for specific points of data on the graph, basically. I can do it Draw (or by exporting to Inkscape or GIMP) but it seems bizzare that I can't do it without leaving OOo Calc. Google image search has given me a good example of what I'm after. The three callouts in yellow on this image are the sort of thing I'm trying to get: http://www.omnicharts.com/assets/images/welcome/chart.png Johnnie - -- ___________________ Johnnie Ingram Product Manager Short Fuze Limited ___________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkq8yKYACgkQ4J4LFInQ/fMVRQCfSb4XMb/E97rwEZaHjulFUZ1Y bssAoJzGlpWZ58hMevtPb1ZImIe9qA3a =hBb/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As well as providing hosting > for websites and mailing lists, it has a process to pass control from > one administrator to another, even if the old administrator is no longer > contactable. > > http://lug.org.uk The website seems to be down so I'm not sure exactly who they are or what they do :) > Would you consider transferring the CLUG domains to them if there was > support among the group? I would certainly consider it, and if there proves to be a strong consensus I would definitely do it. On the other hand I believe in "if it ain't broken don't fix it", and I must admit I am glad to host the CLUG list and site, partly because it gives my server something useful to do that helps justify its greenhouse effect impact :) As I have said on the list repeatedly in the past, I am almost always contactable on my primary email address but sometimes don't get around to reading the list on a timely basis, so if something requires my attention be sure to CC me directly. I do think I've always taken action within a week or less when people have actually done that. In case of more urgent serious issues my mobile number is obtainable from whois. With regard to having server access to make changes, usually some of the more active people on the list have had this access, of course I've now hosted the list and website for just 1 month short of seven years and the makeup of the "active core" has changed several times. Cheers Thomas From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Fri Sep 25 15:51:26 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:51:26 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <5d932cdc0909250700tb28acddx88244288b536e8ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC9B84.6080900@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250700tb28acddx88244288b536e8ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ABCCADE.4000204@jul17pri.co.uk> Hi Thomas >> http://lug.org.uk > > The website seems to be down so I'm not sure exactly who they are or > what they do :) Unlucky timing. I received a monitor alert this afternoon for a server of mine which is in the same RapidSwitch data centre. They're still sorting out the repercussions of a router upgrade that went wrong last night. "Small outages of less than 5 minutes may still be experienced by individual subnets as final configuration work is completed." >> Would you consider transferring the CLUG domains to them if there was >> support among the group? > > I would certainly consider it, and if there proves to be a strong > consensus I would definitely do it. Then I will contact lug.org.uk to find out if they can take over domain registrations. That's not mentioned on their website so it may not be a possibility after all. > In > case of more urgent serious issues my mobile number is obtainable from > whois. On horsten.com yes, but we were checking the CLUG domains, and your contact details are hidden on the whois records. > As I have said on the list repeatedly in the past With hindsight it is strange that there was so much confusion and its taken so long to get to this point. I spent a lot of time trawling through mail archives trying to find out who to contact. There are a lot of messages and a lot of rumours from a lot of people coming and going. Anyway, now we know :) Thanks, Julian From dom at latter.org Fri Sep 25 17:00:55 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:00:55 +0200 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4ABCCADE.4000204@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC9B84.6080900@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250700tb28acddx88244288b536e8ca@mail.gmail.com> <4ABCCADE.4000204@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <4ABCDB27.2030308@latter.org> Julian Price wrote: > With hindsight it is strange that there was so much confusion and its > taken so long to get to this point. With any luck now, there will always be enough people on list who know the score... but can I suggest that the page / site itself contains pointers to the relevant contact details? From dom at latter.org Fri Sep 25 22:01:54 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:01:54 +0200 Subject: Annotating chart in OOo calc In-Reply-To: <4ABCC8AC.2020902@moviestorm.co.uk> References: <4ABCC500.1030202@moviestorm.co.uk> <0940793F-6DCC-4885-8A55-F54A49D74153@bbsrc.ac.uk> <4ABCC8AC.2020902@moviestorm.co.uk> Message-ID: <4ABD21B2.2050605@latter.org> Johnnie Ingram wrote: > Google image search has given me a good example of what I'm after. The > three callouts in yellow on this image are the sort of thing I'm trying > to get: http://www.omnicharts.com/assets/images/welcome/chart.png I asked your question (in paraphrase) on another mailing list, and got this: bring up the drawing tools (view>toolbars>drawing) choose a callout shape click in the chart and drag the shape to size, move and fill appropriately. http://skitch.com/boldfish/nyip7/untitled-1-openoffice.org-calc From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Sat Sep 26 13:21:10 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:21:10 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> Message-ID: <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> > I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe > Czucha's wiki. There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/index.php/Index.php I'm not overly familiar with media wiki but it seems that it's not possible for an ordinary user to delete a page (I could edit the contents). It might be an idea to set the wiki so that edits can only be made by a user who has logged in. -- Drew Fitzsimmons From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sat Sep 26 13:27:01 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:27:01 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:21:10PM +0100, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > > I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe > > Czucha's wiki. > > There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: [...] > It might be an idea to set the wiki so that edits can only be made by > a user who has logged in. Yes I e-mail Joe yesterday to ask him about this. I haven't heard back from him yet. From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Sat Sep 26 13:54:10 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:54:10 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> Message-ID: <126d63860909260454i753e1cebx949c8a10b7fd921c@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:21:10PM +0100, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: >> > I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe >> > Czucha's wiki. >> >> There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: > [...] >> It might be an idea to set the wiki so that edits can only be made by >> a user who has logged in. > > Yes I e-mail Joe yesterday to ask him about this. ?I haven't heard back from > him yet. It seems that having Joe as sole controling party (sysop) for the wiki is a continuation of the single point of failure model we are trying to avoid. I would suggest that, the real decision to be made is not what the site should like, but what infrastructure to put in place to enable people with time and enthusiasm to contribute to do so. I think a wiki is a good idea but we need to have at least a few people with admin rights so that we are not relying on one person to keep on top of all the admin duties. -- Drew Fitzsimmons From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sat Sep 26 13:58:44 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:58:44 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <126d63860909260454i753e1cebx949c8a10b7fd921c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> <126d63860909260454i753e1cebx949c8a10b7fd921c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090926115844.GA6893@weber> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:54:10PM +0100, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Tom Ellis > wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:21:10PM +0100, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > >> > I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe > >> > Czucha's wiki. > >> > >> There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: > > [...] > >> It might be an idea to set the wiki so that edits can only be made by > >> a user who has logged in. > > > > Yes I e-mail Joe yesterday to ask him about this. ?I haven't heard back from > > him yet. > > It seems that having Joe as sole controling party (sysop) for the wiki > is a continuation of the single point of failure model we are trying > to avoid. > > I would suggest that, the real decision to be made is not what the > site should like, but what infrastructure to put in place to enable > people with time and enthusiasm to contribute to do so. > > I think a wiki is a good idea but we need to have at least a few > people with admin rights so that we are not relying on one person to > keep on top of all the admin duties. Yes I entirely agree with your points. From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Sat Sep 26 14:45:07 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:45:07 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20090926115844.GA6893@weber> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> <126d63860909260454i753e1cebx949c8a10b7fd921c@mail.gmail.com> <20090926115844.GA6893@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450909260545y69d6f3adtf4355aab656cfa6f@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/26 Tom Ellis : > Yes I entirely agree with your points. Me too, though it's also good to have got this far. On another note, there's a good reCaptcha plugin for MediaWiki which is quite effective at spam reduction. Sam From johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk Mon Sep 28 11:05:36 2009 From: johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk (Johnnie Ingram) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:05:36 +0100 Subject: Annotating chart in OOo calc In-Reply-To: <4ABD21B2.2050605@latter.org> References: <4ABCC500.1030202@moviestorm.co.uk> <0940793F-6DCC-4885-8A55-F54A49D74153@bbsrc.ac.uk> <4ABCC8AC.2020902@moviestorm.co.uk> <4ABD21B2.2050605@latter.org> Message-ID: <4AC07C60.7030708@moviestorm.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 25/09/2009 21:01, Dom Latter wrote: > Johnnie Ingram wrote: >> Google image search has given me a good example of what I'm after. The >> three callouts in yellow on this image are the sort of thing I'm trying >> to get: http://www.omnicharts.com/assets/images/welcome/chart.png > > I asked your question (in paraphrase) on another mailing list, and got this: > > bring up the drawing tools (view>toolbars>drawing) > choose a callout shape > click in the chart and drag the shape to size, move and fill > appropriately. > > http://skitch.com/boldfish/nyip7/untitled-1-openoffice.org-calc > > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org Gawd bless ya, guv'nr - that's exactly what I needed. And I knew it would be stupidly obvious :-) Cheers, Johnnie - -- ___________________ Johnnie Ingram Product Manager Short Fuze Limited ___________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkrAfFYACgkQ4J4LFInQ/fN7YACdFcJuc3fbXXegNbfzk11Urqpo /WMAn3WOJFsyeHLwKyMZZ5bn+zU60jJM =an7S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: johnnie_ingram.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 336 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090928/6275983f/attachment-0003.vcf From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Wed Sep 30 18:06:58 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:06:58 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4126b3450909260545y69d6f3adtf4355aab656cfa6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> <126d63860909260454i753e1cebx949c8a10b7fd921c@mail.gmail.com> <20090926115844.GA6893@weber> <4126b3450909260545y69d6f3adtf4355aab656cfa6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450909300906w7965c363j3cd5697b4d3521b9@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/26 Sam Kuper > On another note, there's a good reCaptcha plugin for MediaWiki which > is quite effective at spam reduction. I've just seen someone on a separate mailing list recommend Bad Behaviour[1], although I haven't tried it myself. [1]http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Bad_Behavior