From wolfgangs at manticoreit.com Sun Oct 4 19:53:22 2009 From: wolfgangs at manticoreit.com (Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:53:22 +0100 Subject: Hello Message-ID: <1254678802.25250.13.camel@wolfgang> Hi all, I joined the list a few days ago and thought I should probably introduce myself a little. I am relatively recent linux user, having had my first proper contact with it around 2003/04 and since 2006 I am a full time linux user. I am 49, possibly one of the older members on the list, and I currently work as Business Systems Manager (effectively Head of IT) at Amino Communications in Swavesey (that's about 10 miles northwest of Cambridge, right next to the A14). At Amino, we have approx. 150 staff in 6 offices all around the world, of which around 100 are linux users and rest is on MS Windows. We also have approx 150 servers in operation, of which approx. 80% are linux based, with a wide variety of distros (Debian, Ubuntu, Redhat, Fedora, Centos, Gentoo, SuSe). My personal favourite is Debian, and our whole household runs on it. Home for me is in Stourbridge (Dudley), which is also the reason why you probably won't see me at any of the monthly meetings. I am not really a specialist in any field, but due to my job I am quite good at picking up any subject and acquiring the necessary knowledge very quickly. I also run my own web server, which is home to around half a dozen web sites, and I run an open source project (www.latrix.org.uk) for attendance and presence tracking. Oh, and there is a blog: www.codercorner.org cheers Wolfgang From wawrzek at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 00:30:27 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 23:30:27 +0100 Subject: CamLUG group on LinkedIN Message-ID: Hi, I would like you know that our group on LinkedIn reached next milestone - 20 users. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 20:35:10 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:35:10 +0100 Subject: Sunday meeting Message-ID: <126d63860910081135r4945971esfb157e18b90fdd05@mail.gmail.com> Hi fellow cluggers, Is anyone intending to head to CB2 this weekend? I have to be somewhere else on Sunday morning but will hopefully be finished by mid afternoon so any time from then on I should be able to make it. -- Drew Fitzsimmons From clug at julianprice.org.uk Sat Oct 10 12:35:45 2009 From: clug at julianprice.org.uk (Julian price) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:35:45 +0100 Subject: Sunday meeting Message-ID: <4AD06381.4040104@julianprice.org.uk> Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > Hi fellow cluggers, > > Is anyone intending to head to CB2 this weekend? > I have to be somewhere else on Sunday morning but will hopefully be > finished by mid afternoon so any time from then on I should be able to > make it. > Yes, I'll be there from 2pm to 5pm on Sunday I will put a printed Tux on the table - probably upstairs - unless someone else does so first. The more the merrier. Come on everyone! Cheers, Julian From wawrzek at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 22:08:13 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:08:13 +0100 Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: <1254678802.25250.13.camel@wolfgang> References: <1254678802.25250.13.camel@wolfgang> Message-ID: 2009/10/4 Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau : > Hi all, > [...] > My personal favourite is Debian, and our whole household runs on it. > Home for me is in Stourbridge (Dudley), which is also the reason why you > probably won't see me at any of the monthly meetings. [...] I would say it's not so surprising taking into account that you are working in one company with Debian Leader ;) Anyway thanks for joining and writing this mail. It's good to know who else belongs to group. Cheers, Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 23:51:54 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:51:54 +0100 Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: <1254678802.25250.13.camel@wolfgang> References: <1254678802.25250.13.camel@wolfgang> Message-ID: 2009/10/4 Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau : [...] > Oh, and there is a blog: www.codercorner.org Reading this message the idea of the CamLUG users' blogs list returned and I started one on our wiki: http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/index.php/Blogs Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From pmpbw at hotmail.com Mon Oct 12 17:21:02 2009 From: pmpbw at hotmail.com (Paul Williams) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:21:02 +0000 Subject: Newbie's troubles with Fedora Message-ID: Hi Fedora has just been installed on my computer (yesterday at CB2). Can someone in Cambridge please spare me about half an hour to physically show me how to get back access to Vista (it's still on the other partition but BootMgr is missing), and help me to load Skype? Many thanks Paul Williams _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091012/e890e2fe/attachment.html From will.pink at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 17:33:29 2009 From: will.pink at gmail.com (william pink) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:33:29 +0100 Subject: Newbie's troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7891dd830910120833y19fa7203k4e7b0aef9c45846f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Paul, When you mean "access" do you mean viewing the files on the partition? If so you will need to install ntfsprogs which in Fedora can be done by yum install ntfsprogs Google how to add to this to your /etc/fstab which will permanently mount the Vista FS each time you boot. For Skype take a look http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-fedora-11-gnome and go through it there maybe some other apps that may take your interest. If you need anymore assistance just reply here Kind Regards, Will On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Paul Williams wrote: > > Hi > > Fedora has just been installed on my computer (yesterday at CB2). Can > someone in Cambridge please spare me about half an hour to physically show > me how to get back access to Vista (it's still on the other partition but > BootMgr is missing), and help me to load Skype? > > Many thanks > > Paul Williams > > > > > ------------------------------ > New! 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URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091012/92ae68ec/attachment.htm From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 17:36:11 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:36:11 +0100 Subject: Newbie's troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A2556D6-9737-40B3-9CA8-E2F5927E76C3@bbsrc.ac.uk> On 12 Oct 2009, at 16:21, Paul Williams wrote: > > Hi > > Fedora has just been installed on my computer (yesterday at CB2). > Can someone in Cambridge please spare me about half an hour to > physically show me how to get back access to Vista (it's still on > the other partition but BootMgr is missing), and help me to load > Skype? Normally Fedora would have set up a Grub entry to allow you to boot back into your Vista installation. If this is the case then as soon as you see the initial fedora boot menu (with a 3 second countdown on it) press space. You should be taken to a grub menu which hopefully has a set of different boot options, one of which should be to boot your windows installation. If you don't see this then if you post the contents of /boot/grub/ grub.conf we might be able to figure out what to put to add your windows install to the boot options. As for skype - you can run this from within Fedora if you want to. This guide gives you the details of how to add the skype repository to your list of repositories and then install skype from it. http://www.tekkie.ro/computer-setup/easiest-way-to-get-skype-on-fedora-11/ Hope this helps Simon. From clug at julianprice.org.uk Mon Oct 12 21:20:50 2009 From: clug at julianprice.org.uk (Julian price) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:20:50 +0100 Subject: CLUG meeting Message-ID: <4AD38192.9040305@julianprice.org.uk> Yesterday's CLUG meeting at CB2 went well I thought. 5 people turned up, all of whom either had laptops with things that needed fixing/installing, or were willing and able to help fix those laptops. I was on the receiving end of the fixes, and I learned lots from the chats too, so thanks very much to Drew, Luke, Simon and Paul for your help. It would be a good idea to meet a bit later next time as CB2 was still packed with Sunday lunchers at 2pm and it was hard to find a free table, and very noisy. Some things that would have come in useful (must remember to bring next time) - Live DVDs / latest distribution DVDs (CB2 WiFi is too slow) - CAT 6 network cable for connection to network to download WiFi drivers - Gang block (only 2 power sockets available for 5 people) - Blue tack to stick the CLUG sign up so it can be seen across the room A memory stick & Linux command-line reference book came in useful. It would be great to keep the monthly meetings going. Why not put November the 8th in your diary now? Thanks, Julian From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 10:25:57 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:25:57 +0100 Subject: Newbie's continuing troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 13 Oct 2009, at 00:00, Paul Williams wrote: > Hello Simon > > I've found /boot/grub/grub.conf, but I can't open it as I don't have > permission. I'm also told I'm not the owner. How do I get in to look > at it? In a terminal... su -c "cat /boot/grub/grub.conf" You'll be prompted for the root password you created when you first installed Fedora. Also, while you're doing that - can you post the results of: su -c "/sbin/fdisk -l /dev/sda" ..as that might help to find where your windows install went. Simon. From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 10:38:16 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:38:16 +0100 Subject: Newbie's troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <529CD0D6-2012-44FC-8882-74E6F687A4E7@bbsrc.ac.uk> On 12 Oct 2009, at 18:02, Paul Williams wrote: > As for Skype, I had already found the page you gave me the link to, > and I had already tried those few lines, but on the very first one I > got an error message: Failed to contact configuration server; some > possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for > ORBit, or you have stale NFS due to a system crash etc etc. I just tried the instructions there and I saw the same errors, but gedit opened up OK despite them, and I got skype installed really easily. When you tried did the gedit window not open up? If so you could create the skpe.repo file in your home directory and then copy it to the correct directory as root. > You will appreciate that I didn't find that very helpful. However I > was connecting to the net, so I don't see why there was no contact > with config server. It's talking about a local server on your machine, not something on the net. > So I'm stuck. When are you next going to CB2? The next planned meeting will be the second Sunday of November (8th), unless anyone is keen enough they want to arrange anything before that. Simon. From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 21:43:07 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:43:07 +0100 Subject: Newbie's troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <126d63860910131243m52507b5fr10f174676abb936b@mail.gmail.com> Hi Paul, sorry to hear you couldn't get back into your windows install. As Simon has said there should have been an entry added to grubs menu.lst to allow you to boot Vista. Hopefully you've sorted it out by now (ideally by installing skype in fedora ) but if you are really in need of help I can head down to CB2 this weekend to see if I can help. Drew On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Paul Williams wrote: > > Hi > > Fedora has just been installed on my computer (yesterday at CB2). Can > someone in Cambridge please spare me about half an hour to physically show > me how to get back access to Vista (it's still on the other partition but > BootMgr is missing), and help me to load Skype? > > Many thanks > > Paul Williams > > > > > ________________________________ > New! Receive and respond to mail from other email accounts from within > Hotmail Find out how. > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > -- Drew Fitzsimmons From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 09:51:58 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:51:58 +0100 Subject: continuing troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6CEB8F17-E126-4AAB-AB28-8DCFEC500A2B@bbsrc.ac.uk> On 13 Oct 2009, at 11:01, Paul Williams wrote: > > Hello Simon > > Here is grub.conf: > [snip] > title Other > rootnoverify (hd0,0) > chainloader +1 > > > And here is dev/sda: > Device Boot Start End Blocks ID > System > /dev/sda1 1 192 153600 > 27 Unknown > Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary > /dev/sda2 192 4654 35846231 7 > HPFS/NTFS > /dev/sda3 4655 4680 204800 83 > Linux > /dev/sda4 4681 7296 21013020 5 > Extended > /dev/sda5 4681 7296 21012480 Be > Linux LVM OK, so there's something odd going on here. Your windows install appears to be on /dev/sda2, but there is this small partition before it. I'm not sure what this partition is (anyone else know?), but these little partitions are often installed by computer vendors with dignostic software or something similar. I'd guess that you should be booting from /dev/sda2 if you wanted to get into Windows. However - your grub config for your windows boot is pointing to hd0,0 which would be the small unknown partition. I'd suggest changing your grub.conf so that the boot location was hd0,1 and see if that finds your windows installation. So step by step instructions would be: In a terminal: su -c "cp /boot/grub/grub.conf /boot/grub/grub.conf.bak" su -c "emacs /boot/grub/grub.conf" You should see and editor open up and show you your grub.conf file. Edit the Other section to read: title Other rootnoverify (hd0,1) chainloader +1 Select File > Save Select File > Quit Reboot your machine, enter the grub menu and select the 'Other' entry from the list and see if you boot into windows. I've used the emacs editor if these instructions since you seemed to have problems when using gedit before. If you don't have emacs installed you'll need to do: su -c "yum -y install emacs" ...in a terminal first. If emacs works OK for you then you could retry the skype installation instructions using emacs instead of gedit. Hope this helps Simon. > From dom at latter.org Wed Oct 14 11:04:08 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:04:08 +0200 Subject: continuing troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: <6CEB8F17-E126-4AAB-AB28-8DCFEC500A2B@bbsrc.ac.uk> References: <6CEB8F17-E126-4AAB-AB28-8DCFEC500A2B@bbsrc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AD59408.4070203@latter.org> Simon Andrews wrote: > On 13 Oct 2009, at 11:01, Paul Williams wrote: > >> Device Boot Start End Blocks ID >> System >> /dev/sda1 1 192 153600 Strange, the reported size is off by about a factor of ten from what it should be, for the number of cylinders. > OK, so there's something odd going on here. Your windows install > appears to be on /dev/sda2, but there is this small partition before > it. I'm not sure what this partition is (anyone else know?), but > these little partitions are often installed by computer vendors with > dignostic software or something similar. Or possibly a suspend-to-disk partition. Or it may be a Linux swap partition that somehow got corrupted. I can't see a swap and I'd be surprised if Fedora doesn't create one by default. > I've used the emacs editor if these instructions since you seemed to > have problems when using gedit before. If you don't have emacs > installed you'll need to do: > > su -c "yum -y install emacs" I'd strongly suggest leaving emacs alone until the system is working to your satisfaction and you've got the time... "nano" should be installed by default, and is a very quick and simple editor with a help screen for the most important magic runes always visible. "joe" is another excellent alternative. From tinmachin3 at googlemail.com Thu Oct 15 09:24:21 2009 From: tinmachin3 at googlemail.com (Luke) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:24:21 +0100 Subject: Identica Message-ID: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, Just wondering if anyone here has an account on http://identi.ca/ ? It's a Free Software twitter-alike (with more features, and much less spam), and because of this it's a very good place to talk about and get help with Linux and related issues. I would certainly recommend giving it a try. My account is http://identi.ca/reality/ Thanks, -- Luke Slater :O) this text is protected by international copyright. it is illegal for anybody apart from the recipient to keep a copy of this text. dieser text wird von internationalem urheberrecht geschuetzt. allen ausser dem/der empfaenger/-in ist untersagt, eine kopie dieses textes zu behalten. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They also have working Jabber integration and have had since very early on. > this text is protected by international copyright. it is illegal for > anybody apart from the recipient to keep a copy of this text. > dieser text wird von internationalem urheberrecht geschuetzt. allen > ausser dem/der empfaenger/-in ist untersagt, eine kopie dieses textes > zu behalten. This cracked me up ;-) /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From luke at blog-thing.com Thu Oct 15 09:58:54 2009 From: luke at blog-thing.com (Luke) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:58:54 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17aa29670910150058l381c4039y7263007197a94035@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/15 Magnus Therning > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Luke wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > Just wondering if anyone here has an account on http://identi.ca/ ? > > Sure do, see my sig. > > > It's a Free Software twitter-alike (with more features, and much less > spam), > > and because of this it's a very good place to talk about and get help > with > > Linux and related issues. > > > > I would certainly recommend giving it a try. > > They also have working Jabber integration and have had since very early on. > > > this text is protected by international copyright. it is illegal for > > anybody apart from the recipient to keep a copy of this text. > > dieser text wird von internationalem urheberrecht geschuetzt. allen > > ausser dem/der empfaenger/-in ist untersagt, eine kopie dieses textes > > zu behalten. > > This cracked me up ;-) > > /M > > -- > Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) > magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org > http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe > That's an anti-government-spying notice :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091015/8dc27501/attachment.htm From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Thu Oct 15 09:59:21 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:59:21 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> On 15 Oct 2009, at 08:54, Magnus Therning wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Luke > wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> Just wondering if anyone here has an account on http://identi.ca/ ? Is that the same thing as laconi.ca (I think it's the same project, but with a new name?). There was a really interesting FLOSS weekly episode about that: http://twit.tv/floss37 .. I really liked the idea that you had distributed installs of a microblogging service, which could then talk to each other. Simon. PS I notice that the list does not set the reply-to address back to the list, meaning that some replies are going direct to senders rather than making it onto the list. Would it not be a good idea to change this so that traffic stays on the list by default? From luke at blog-thing.com Thu Oct 15 10:07:38 2009 From: luke at blog-thing.com (Luke) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:07:38 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <17aa29670910150107t7a539773wc1fae975b8c57ab3@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/15 Simon Andrews > > On 15 Oct 2009, at 08:54, Magnus Therning wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Luke > > wrote: > >> Hello everyone, > >> > >> Just wondering if anyone here has an account on http://identi.ca/ ? > > > Is that the same thing as laconi.ca (I think it's the same project, > but with a new name?). There was a really interesting FLOSS weekly > episode about that: > > http://twit.tv/floss37 > > .. I really liked the idea that you had distributed installs of a > microblogging service, which could then talk to each other. > > Simon. > > PS I notice that the list does not set the reply-to address back to > the list, meaning that some replies are going direct to senders rather > than making it onto the list. Would it not be a good idea to change > this so that traffic stays on the list by default? > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > Laconia is the technology you speak of, although I believe they renamed that again recently... Identica is like the public social network built from laconia. -- Luke Slater :O) this text is protected by international copyright. it is illegal for anybody apart from the recipient to keep a copy of this text. dieser text wird von internationalem urheberrecht geschuetzt. allen ausser dem/der empfaenger/-in ist untersagt, eine kopie dieses textes zu behalten. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091015/60df4f29/attachment.htm From magnus at therning.org Thu Oct 15 10:32:08 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:32:08 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Simon Andrews [..] > PS I notice that the list does not set the reply-to address back to > the list, meaning that some replies are going direct to senders rather > than making it onto the list. ?Would it not be a good idea to change > this so that traffic stays on the list by default? Search for "reply-to munging" and read the arguments for and against this, unless you already have. It's good to understand why some lists do this and others don't. Personally I consider reply-to munging to be harmful. Also, I use mail clients that handle lists fairly well, so I'm happy the way it is. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From dom at latter.org Thu Oct 15 10:45:28 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:45:28 +0200 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AD6E128.1000103@latter.org> Magnus Therning wrote: > Search for "reply-to munging" and read the arguments for and against > this, unless you already have. It's good to understand why some lists > do this and others don't. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > Personally I consider reply-to munging to be harmful. Also, I use > mail clients that handle lists fairly well, so I'm happy the way it > is. I'm using Thunderbird and it's rubbish. The theory is that because it's extensible I'd be able to find the necessary widgets to add to it to make it handle mailing lists, allow arbitrary "from:" addresses, and any other tweaks I find I need. So far I've not managed it. Kmail (which I now realise was a lot better than I thought it was) lacked one crucial feature - the ability to detach attachments. I tried an add on perl script but it didn't work. Has this feature been added now? From magnus at therning.org Thu Oct 15 11:10:51 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:10:51 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: <4AD6E128.1000103@latter.org> References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> <4AD6E128.1000103@latter.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Dom Latter wrote: > Magnus Therning wrote: >> Search for "reply-to munging" and read the arguments for and against >> this, unless you already have. ?It's good to understand why some lists >> do this and others don't. > > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > >> Personally I consider reply-to munging to be harmful. ?Also, I use >> mail clients that handle lists fairly well, so I'm happy the way it >> is. > > I'm using Thunderbird and it's rubbish. ?The theory is that because > it's extensible I'd be able to find the necessary widgets to add to > it to make it handle mailing lists, allow arbitrary "from:" addresses, > and any other tweaks I find I need. ?So far I've not managed it. Yes, I agree. Thunderbird is rubbish, and I'm also a user. Why do I feel like in some sort of AA-but-for-thunderbird-users meeting? I just found https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/4455 but I haven't tried it myself yet. Rather depressing that there's been a request for such a feature for 5 years. > Kmail (which I now realise was a lot better than I thought it was) > lacked one crucial feature - the ability to detach attachments. > I tried an add on perl script but it didn't work. ?Has this > feature been added now? In my mind it also lacks another important feature: Gnome-ification :-) /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Thu Oct 15 12:44:29 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:44:29 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> <4AD6E128.1000103@latter.org> Message-ID: <4AD6FD0D.9020906@mansfield.co.uk> On 15/10/09 10:10, Magnus Therning wrote: >> I'm using Thunderbird and it's rubbish. ? The theory is that because >> it's extensible I'd be able to find the necessary widgets to add to >> it to make it handle mailing lists, allow arbitrary "from:" addresses, >> and any other tweaks I find I need. ? So far I've not managed it. tbird "works for me"... but I am on 3.0b3 which is much better. there's a "reply-list" button. the thread view is much better as is selecting multiple messages and seeing a snippet of all of them. the multiple email accounts has worked for me since I adopted it when it turned v2.0.x agreed that it does need some serious loving to polish it up, but it's much lighter-weight than evolution. From dom at latter.org Thu Oct 15 13:11:06 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:11:06 +0200 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: <4AD6FD0D.9020906@mansfield.co.uk> References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> <4AD6E128.1000103@latter.org> <4AD6FD0D.9020906@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4AD7034A.3080704@latter.org> Paul M wrote: > tbird "works for me"... but I am on 3.0b3 which is much better. there's > a "reply-list" button. the thread view is much better as is selecting > multiple messages and seeing a snippet of all of them. Right. I'll be re-installing my system in a few weeks time so will look to upgrade mail client at the same time. Or I might just go with Kubuntu and Kmail - as long as Kmail now lets me remove attachments. This is an essential feature for me. > the multiple email accounts has worked for me since I adopted it when it > turned v2.0.x I mean arbitrary, on-the-fly email addresses. When I write to company.com I like to give them company.com at latter.org as my email address. > agreed that it does need some serious loving to polish it up, but it's > much lighter-weight than evolution. Interesting. I do need / prefer light-weight apps. From marcus at quintic.co.uk Thu Oct 15 13:46:56 2009 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:46:56 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: <4AD7034A.3080704@latter.org> References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> <4AD6E128.1000103@latter.org> <4AD6FD0D.9020906@mansfield.co.uk> <4AD7034A.3080704@latter.org> Message-ID: <4AD70BB0.3000109@quintic.co.uk> Dom Latter wrote: >> the multiple email accounts has worked for me since I adopted it when it >> > turned v2.0.x > > I mean arbitrary, on-the-fly email addresses. When I write to company.com > I like to give themcompany.com at latter.org as my email address. You might want to check out the virtual identity addon [1], needs a bit of setting up, but works really well. Marcus [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/594 From johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk Thu Oct 15 14:10:32 2009 From: johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk (Johnnie Ingram) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:10:32 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AD71138.7060606@moviestorm.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 15/10/2009 08:24, Luke wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Just wondering if anyone here has an account on http://identi.ca/ ? > <> I do indeed - http://identi.ca/johnnieingram - but I have to confess that it's barely used. My twitter account (@johnnieingram) is far more active. Why? Well, whilst I love the idea of identi.ca and the open-source fanboi in me delights in the idea of an open-source microblogging platform, the plain fact is that close to 100% of my contacts use twitter rather than identi.ca. As far as I'm concerned, the entire point of either system comes from the people you follow and who follow you. A microblogging service which just consists of me talking to myself (which is what identi.ca effectively is for me) is therefore broken, as far as my subjective user-story is concerned, at least. Pragmatism has to come before principals in this case, unfortunately. For the same reason, I have closed-source graphics drivers installed for the nvidia card in my main home machine. If I didn't, I wouldn't be able to play World Of Warcraft (at which point, I very much suspect, I would take my own life). Still, having now established that several members of this list do indeed have reasonably active identi.ca accounts, the service has suddenly become far more practically useful for me. Consider yourselves duly followed. 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Drew -- Drew Fitzsimmons From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Mon Oct 19 13:42:07 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:42:07 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> Message-ID: <20091019114207.GA3509@weber> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:27:01PM +0100, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:21:10PM +0100, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > > > I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe > > > Czucha's wiki. > > > > There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: > [...] > > It might be an idea to set the wiki so that edits can only be made by > > a user who has logged in. > > Yes I e-mail Joe yesterday to ask him about this. I haven't heard back from > him yet. Can anyone get in contact with Joe to ask him about creating admin accounts on the Wiki? It's being spammed more and more. Tom From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 01:48:58 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=C5=84ski?=) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:48:58 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Again I forgot to choose replay all. 2009/10/22 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : > 2009/10/15 Luke : >> Hello everyone, >> >> Just wondering if anyone here has an account on http://identi.ca/ ? > > So I have one from now: > > http://identi.ca/wawrzek > > Cheers, > Wawrzek > -- > ?Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski ? ? ?vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN > ? ?Linux User #177124 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com > ?PhD in Quantum Chemistry ? ? ? ? ? ?WWW: http://wawrzek.name > ?MSc in Molecular Engineering ? ? ? ? ? JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl > -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 13:00:03 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=C5=84ski?=) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:00:03 +0100 Subject: Joining the list - problems Message-ID: Hi, I've just got a message from Rafal who tried to joing our mailing list, but haven't got any confirmation from week or so. Anybody can check it? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From alastair at altrux.me.uk Fri Oct 23 21:23:05 2009 From: alastair at altrux.me.uk (Alastair Stevens) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:23:05 +0100 Subject: Rant 1: 123-reg mail servers Message-ID: <4AE20299.2080900@altrux.me.uk> Hi Guys - do any of you use 123-reg for your domains & hosting? I'm guessing a few of you do, so I'm just wondering whether anyone's got their e-mail to actually work properly yet? Now that they've upgraded their systems to offer full mailboxes and SMTP server access, I tried to get my Exim mail server to talk to them (smarthost), but with no success. I've configured SMTP-auth in the usual way, but outbound mail gets rejected every time with a 550 error. I've had problems with other SMTP servers too, and the only one that's ever worked is GMail (smtp.gmail.com). So I'm *still* having to use that, and I'd prefer not to route everything through GMail and Google's data-spying servers :-) Any ideas on what I'm missing? Cheers AL -- ==================================================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From alastair at altrux.me.uk Fri Oct 23 21:30:32 2009 From: alastair at altrux.me.uk (Alastair Stevens) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:30:32 +0100 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release Message-ID: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> Sigh - I don't know I keep getting so excited. I dutifully download each new Ubuntu release (once it reaches RC stage) and test it out, with a view to then upgrading my systems ahead of the 'final' release rush. But with every x.10 release, I'm gravely disappointed. It is just me, or are they on a seriously consistent 'alternate release' cycle? All of the x.04 (incl Dapper) releases, LTS or otherwise, have generally been solid and usable. But every x.10 release, without exception, has been a howler, with one or more showstopping problems. So far, I've only tried 9.10 UNR on my EeePC 901 netbook. It won't even finish booting - and yes, I've tried every 'safe' option, and I've checked and passed the media test. I can get as far as a root console, but no graphics beyond the new boot splash thing. And yes, 9.04 installed and worked first time and has worked ever since, without a hitch. So, on UNR 9.04 my netbook stays. I'll see what happens with the 'main' versions on my proper machines, but it's already given me a bad taste. I know it's early days, but has anyone else tried it yet? Any thoughts? Cheers AL -- ==================================================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From dom at latter.org Fri Oct 23 21:37:14 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:37:14 +0200 Subject: Rant 1: 123-reg mail servers In-Reply-To: <4AE20299.2080900@altrux.me.uk> References: <4AE20299.2080900@altrux.me.uk> Message-ID: <4AE205EA.9050303@latter.org> Alastair Stevens wrote: > Hi Guys - do any of you use 123-reg for your domains & hosting? Domains, for historical reasons, and otherwise as little possible. They used to be OK but got sucked into the whole Webfusion mess. From dom at latter.org Fri Oct 23 21:42:12 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:42:12 +0200 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> Message-ID: <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> Alastair Stevens wrote: > So, on UNR 9.04 my netbook stays. I'll see what happens with the 'main' > versions on my proper machines, but it's already given me a bad taste. I > know it's early days, but has anyone else tried it yet? Any thoughts? I've tried 9.10 Beta on an old (very old) laptop - seemed to work apart from Xorg hoovering all available CPU. I'm very keen to move to 9.10 as apparently the Intel video driver problems have been sorted. From alastair at altrux.me.uk Sat Oct 24 00:59:55 2009 From: alastair at altrux.me.uk (Alastair Stevens) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:59:55 +0100 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> Message-ID: <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/23 : > Alastair Stevens wrote: > >> So, on UNR 9.04 my netbook stays. ?I'll see what happens with the 'main' >> versions on my proper machines, but it's already given me a bad taste. I >> know it's early days, but has anyone else tried it yet? ?Any thoughts? > > I've tried 9.10 Beta on an old (very old) laptop - seemed to work apart > from Xorg hoovering all available CPU. > > I'm very keen to move to 9.10 as apparently the Intel video driver > problems have been sorted. I've just been playing with it under KVM on my big machine, and *still* cannot get a full graphical boot. I can get the login screen, and it reaches a desktop but the display (apart from the status bar at the top) is garbled in various ways. So much for video driver fixes :-) Again, this is still only UNR - the regular i386 version of 9.10 seems to run OK, both from a LiveCD and through KVM.... Cheers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From dom at latter.org Sat Oct 24 01:22:43 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 01:22:43 +0200 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> Alastair Stevens wrote: > Again, this is still only UNR - the regular i386 version of 9.10 seems > to run OK, both from a LiveCD and through KVM.... It's a beta! File a bug report, or wait for the official release! BTW, I prefer it if people only reply to the list, unless there's a particularly good reason for me to get two copies... From luke at blog-thing.com Sat Oct 24 02:09:13 2009 From: luke at blog-thing.com (Luke) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 01:09:13 +0100 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> Message-ID: <17aa29670910231709x691d2f80lcbf64997b3e42370@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/24 > Alastair Stevens wrote: > > > Again, this is still only UNR - the regular i386 version of 9.10 seems > > to run OK, both from a LiveCD and through KVM.... > > It's a beta! File a bug report, or wait for the official release! > > BTW, I prefer it if people only reply to the list, unless there's a > particularly > good reason for me to get two copies... > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > Alastair, have you tried other distributions of Linux, to see if they support your Intel driver properly? I suggest Mandriva, SuSE or Fedora. Video drivers are unfortunately one of those features that seem to have very sporadic differences in support between distributions. -- Luke Slater :O) this text is protected by international copyright. it is illegal for anybody apart from the recipient to keep a copy of this text. dieser text wird von internationalem urheberrecht geschuetzt. allen ausser dem/der empfaenger/-in ist untersagt, eine kopie dieses textes zu behalten. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091024/236da044/attachment.htm From dom at latter.org Sat Oct 24 09:36:14 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:36:14 +0200 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <17aa29670910231709x691d2f80lcbf64997b3e42370@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> <17aa29670910231709x691d2f80lcbf64997b3e42370@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE2AE6E.8070409@latter.org> Luke wrote: > Alastair, have you tried other distributions of Linux, to see if they > support your Intel driver properly? I suggest Mandriva, SuSE or Fedora. I think you're addressing me, not Alastair. It's a Linux problem, not an Ubuntu problem: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090817#feature Hasn't bothered me enough to switch, although I probably will, as the "weight" of Ubuntu seems to be creeping up and my laptop's not getting any faster (and is now maxxed out at 1GB of RAM). From wolfgangs at manticoreit.com Sat Oct 24 14:29:22 2009 From: wolfgangs at manticoreit.com (Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:29:22 +0100 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <4AE2AE6E.8070409@latter.org> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> <17aa29670910231709x691d2f80lcbf64997b3e42370@mail.gmail.com> <4AE2AE6E.8070409@latter.org> Message-ID: <1256387362.7400.2.camel@wolfgang> I had similar issues when I tried Fedora 11 earlier this year. And that was with an NVidia card. Eventually moved back to my good old trusted Debian and all issues went away. I think one needs to make a clear distinction what a box is used for: if it's a production server or desktop or laptop, then steer clear of the cutting edge stuff. On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 09:36 +0200, dom at latter.org wrote: > Luke wrote: > > > Alastair, have you tried other distributions of Linux, to see if they > > support your Intel driver properly? I suggest Mandriva, SuSE or Fedora. > > I think you're addressing me, not Alastair. It's a Linux problem, not > an Ubuntu problem: > > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090817#feature > > Hasn't bothered me enough to switch, although I probably will, as the > "weight" of Ubuntu seems to be creeping up and my laptop's not getting > any faster (and is now maxxed out at 1GB of RAM). > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Sun Oct 25 01:36:40 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:36:40 +0100 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <1256387362.7400.2.camel@wolfgang> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> <17aa29670910231709x691d2f80lcbf64997b3e42370@mail.gmail.com> <4AE2AE6E.8070409@latter.org> <1256387362.7400.2.camel@wolfgang> Message-ID: <4AE38F88.5000600@mansfield.co.uk> Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau wrote: > I think one needs to make a clear distinction what a box is used for: if > it's a production server or desktop or laptop, then steer clear of the > cutting edge stuff. that's all very well, but alhough we were using ubuntu 8.xx LTS we were forced to use 9 non-LTS when we bought some Dell R710 (dual xeon L5520-based) servers as the 64 bit kernel didn't work with the memory controller. After we gave up nagging for a back-ported kernel and fired up 9.04, it emerged later tan the ubuntu people simply didn't have a machine of that class for testing (had they said, we could have set something up for them, we did have 37 servers so one could have been set aside one for testing :-) From alspnost at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 09:45:39 2009 From: alspnost at gmail.com (Alastair Stevens) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:45:39 +0000 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <4AE38F88.5000600@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> <17aa29670910231709x691d2f80lcbf64997b3e42370@mail.gmail.com> <4AE2AE6E.8070409@latter.org> <1256387362.7400.2.camel@wolfgang> <4AE38F88.5000600@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4536e91b0910250145y28f130b0uef726dbcb8da68df@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/25 Paul : > Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau wrote: >> I think one needs to make a clear distinction what a box is used for: if >> it's a production server or desktop or laptop, then steer clear of the >> cutting edge stuff. > > that's all very well, but alhough we were using ubuntu 8.xx LTS we were > forced to use 9 non-LTS when we bought some Dell R710 (dual xeon > L5520-based) servers as the 64 bit kernel didn't work with the memory > controller. ?After we gave up nagging for a back-ported kernel and fired > up 9.04, it emerged later tan the ubuntu people simply didn't have a > machine of that class for testing (had they said, we could have set > something up for them, we did have 37 servers so one could have been set > aside one for testing :-) Anyway guys, it's only Netbook Remix, and I guess the Intel video driver thing still hasn't settled down. But given that said Intel driver "issue" was a *major* focus of development, and given that they've touted a 'production quality release candidate' suitable for 'testing by all', and it won't even boot on the *most common* bog standard Intel netbook hardware platform, I think a little rant is justified! I finally got UNR booting under KVM using 'std vga' graphics, and although it's vaguely pretty, I think I actually prefer the 9.04 interface anyway, so the netbook shall remain with that for now :-) The next step is to spin up the 64-bit main release on a 64-bit KVM guest and see how it plays. I want to be absolutely sure that it actually works properly before I risk upgrading my main desktop.... Cheers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From wolfgangs at manticoreit.com Sun Oct 4 19:53:22 2009 From: wolfgangs at manticoreit.com (Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:53:22 +0100 Subject: Hello Message-ID: <1254678802.25250.13.camel@wolfgang> Hi all, I joined the list a few days ago and thought I should probably introduce myself a little. I am relatively recent linux user, having had my first proper contact with it around 2003/04 and since 2006 I am a full time linux user. I am 49, possibly one of the older members on the list, and I currently work as Business Systems Manager (effectively Head of IT) at Amino Communications in Swavesey (that's about 10 miles northwest of Cambridge, right next to the A14). At Amino, we have approx. 150 staff in 6 offices all around the world, of which around 100 are linux users and rest is on MS Windows. We also have approx 150 servers in operation, of which approx. 80% are linux based, with a wide variety of distros (Debian, Ubuntu, Redhat, Fedora, Centos, Gentoo, SuSe). My personal favourite is Debian, and our whole household runs on it. Home for me is in Stourbridge (Dudley), which is also the reason why you probably won't see me at any of the monthly meetings. I am not really a specialist in any field, but due to my job I am quite good at picking up any subject and acquiring the necessary knowledge very quickly. I also run my own web server, which is home to around half a dozen web sites, and I run an open source project (www.latrix.org.uk) for attendance and presence tracking. Oh, and there is a blog: www.codercorner.org cheers Wolfgang From wawrzek at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 00:30:27 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 23:30:27 +0100 Subject: CamLUG group on LinkedIN Message-ID: Hi, I would like you know that our group on LinkedIn reached next milestone - 20 users. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 20:35:10 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:35:10 +0100 Subject: Sunday meeting Message-ID: <126d63860910081135r4945971esfb157e18b90fdd05@mail.gmail.com> Hi fellow cluggers, Is anyone intending to head to CB2 this weekend? I have to be somewhere else on Sunday morning but will hopefully be finished by mid afternoon so any time from then on I should be able to make it. -- Drew Fitzsimmons From clug at julianprice.org.uk Sat Oct 10 12:35:45 2009 From: clug at julianprice.org.uk (Julian price) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:35:45 +0100 Subject: Sunday meeting Message-ID: <4AD06381.4040104@julianprice.org.uk> Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > Hi fellow cluggers, > > Is anyone intending to head to CB2 this weekend? > I have to be somewhere else on Sunday morning but will hopefully be > finished by mid afternoon so any time from then on I should be able to > make it. > Yes, I'll be there from 2pm to 5pm on Sunday I will put a printed Tux on the table - probably upstairs - unless someone else does so first. The more the merrier. Come on everyone! Cheers, Julian From wawrzek at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 22:08:13 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:08:13 +0100 Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: <1254678802.25250.13.camel@wolfgang> References: <1254678802.25250.13.camel@wolfgang> Message-ID: 2009/10/4 Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau : > Hi all, > [...] > My personal favourite is Debian, and our whole household runs on it. > Home for me is in Stourbridge (Dudley), which is also the reason why you > probably won't see me at any of the monthly meetings. [...] I would say it's not so surprising taking into account that you are working in one company with Debian Leader ;) Anyway thanks for joining and writing this mail. It's good to know who else belongs to group. Cheers, Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 23:51:54 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:51:54 +0100 Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: <1254678802.25250.13.camel@wolfgang> References: <1254678802.25250.13.camel@wolfgang> Message-ID: 2009/10/4 Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau : [...] > Oh, and there is a blog: www.codercorner.org Reading this message the idea of the CamLUG users' blogs list returned and I started one on our wiki: http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/index.php/Blogs Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From pmpbw at hotmail.com Mon Oct 12 17:21:02 2009 From: pmpbw at hotmail.com (Paul Williams) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:21:02 +0000 Subject: Newbie's troubles with Fedora Message-ID: Hi Fedora has just been installed on my computer (yesterday at CB2). Can someone in Cambridge please spare me about half an hour to physically show me how to get back access to Vista (it's still on the other partition but BootMgr is missing), and help me to load Skype? Many thanks Paul Williams _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091012/e890e2fe/attachment.htm From will.pink at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 17:33:29 2009 From: will.pink at gmail.com (william pink) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:33:29 +0100 Subject: Newbie's troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7891dd830910120833y19fa7203k4e7b0aef9c45846f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Paul, When you mean "access" do you mean viewing the files on the partition? If so you will need to install ntfsprogs which in Fedora can be done by yum install ntfsprogs Google how to add to this to your /etc/fstab which will permanently mount the Vista FS each time you boot. For Skype take a look http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-fedora-11-gnome and go through it there maybe some other apps that may take your interest. If you need anymore assistance just reply here Kind Regards, Will On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Paul Williams wrote: > > Hi > > Fedora has just been installed on my computer (yesterday at CB2). Can > someone in Cambridge please spare me about half an hour to physically show > me how to get back access to Vista (it's still on the other partition but > BootMgr is missing), and help me to load Skype? > > Many thanks > > Paul Williams > > > > > ------------------------------ > New! 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URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091012/92ae68ec/attachment-0002.htm From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 17:36:11 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:36:11 +0100 Subject: Newbie's troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A2556D6-9737-40B3-9CA8-E2F5927E76C3@bbsrc.ac.uk> On 12 Oct 2009, at 16:21, Paul Williams wrote: > > Hi > > Fedora has just been installed on my computer (yesterday at CB2). > Can someone in Cambridge please spare me about half an hour to > physically show me how to get back access to Vista (it's still on > the other partition but BootMgr is missing), and help me to load > Skype? Normally Fedora would have set up a Grub entry to allow you to boot back into your Vista installation. If this is the case then as soon as you see the initial fedora boot menu (with a 3 second countdown on it) press space. You should be taken to a grub menu which hopefully has a set of different boot options, one of which should be to boot your windows installation. If you don't see this then if you post the contents of /boot/grub/ grub.conf we might be able to figure out what to put to add your windows install to the boot options. As for skype - you can run this from within Fedora if you want to. This guide gives you the details of how to add the skype repository to your list of repositories and then install skype from it. http://www.tekkie.ro/computer-setup/easiest-way-to-get-skype-on-fedora-11/ Hope this helps Simon. From clug at julianprice.org.uk Mon Oct 12 21:20:50 2009 From: clug at julianprice.org.uk (Julian price) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:20:50 +0100 Subject: CLUG meeting Message-ID: <4AD38192.9040305@julianprice.org.uk> Yesterday's CLUG meeting at CB2 went well I thought. 5 people turned up, all of whom either had laptops with things that needed fixing/installing, or were willing and able to help fix those laptops. I was on the receiving end of the fixes, and I learned lots from the chats too, so thanks very much to Drew, Luke, Simon and Paul for your help. It would be a good idea to meet a bit later next time as CB2 was still packed with Sunday lunchers at 2pm and it was hard to find a free table, and very noisy. Some things that would have come in useful (must remember to bring next time) - Live DVDs / latest distribution DVDs (CB2 WiFi is too slow) - CAT 6 network cable for connection to network to download WiFi drivers - Gang block (only 2 power sockets available for 5 people) - Blue tack to stick the CLUG sign up so it can be seen across the room A memory stick & Linux command-line reference book came in useful. It would be great to keep the monthly meetings going. Why not put November the 8th in your diary now? Thanks, Julian From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 10:25:57 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:25:57 +0100 Subject: Newbie's continuing troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 13 Oct 2009, at 00:00, Paul Williams wrote: > Hello Simon > > I've found /boot/grub/grub.conf, but I can't open it as I don't have > permission. I'm also told I'm not the owner. How do I get in to look > at it? In a terminal... su -c "cat /boot/grub/grub.conf" You'll be prompted for the root password you created when you first installed Fedora. Also, while you're doing that - can you post the results of: su -c "/sbin/fdisk -l /dev/sda" ..as that might help to find where your windows install went. Simon. From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 10:38:16 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:38:16 +0100 Subject: Newbie's troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <529CD0D6-2012-44FC-8882-74E6F687A4E7@bbsrc.ac.uk> On 12 Oct 2009, at 18:02, Paul Williams wrote: > As for Skype, I had already found the page you gave me the link to, > and I had already tried those few lines, but on the very first one I > got an error message: Failed to contact configuration server; some > possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for > ORBit, or you have stale NFS due to a system crash etc etc. I just tried the instructions there and I saw the same errors, but gedit opened up OK despite them, and I got skype installed really easily. When you tried did the gedit window not open up? If so you could create the skpe.repo file in your home directory and then copy it to the correct directory as root. > You will appreciate that I didn't find that very helpful. However I > was connecting to the net, so I don't see why there was no contact > with config server. It's talking about a local server on your machine, not something on the net. > So I'm stuck. When are you next going to CB2? The next planned meeting will be the second Sunday of November (8th), unless anyone is keen enough they want to arrange anything before that. Simon. From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 21:43:07 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:43:07 +0100 Subject: Newbie's troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <126d63860910131243m52507b5fr10f174676abb936b@mail.gmail.com> Hi Paul, sorry to hear you couldn't get back into your windows install. As Simon has said there should have been an entry added to grubs menu.lst to allow you to boot Vista. Hopefully you've sorted it out by now (ideally by installing skype in fedora ) but if you are really in need of help I can head down to CB2 this weekend to see if I can help. Drew On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Paul Williams wrote: > > Hi > > Fedora has just been installed on my computer (yesterday at CB2). Can > someone in Cambridge please spare me about half an hour to physically show > me how to get back access to Vista (it's still on the other partition but > BootMgr is missing), and help me to load Skype? > > Many thanks > > Paul Williams > > > > > ________________________________ > New! Receive and respond to mail from other email accounts from within > Hotmail Find out how. > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > -- Drew Fitzsimmons From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 09:51:58 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:51:58 +0100 Subject: continuing troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6CEB8F17-E126-4AAB-AB28-8DCFEC500A2B@bbsrc.ac.uk> On 13 Oct 2009, at 11:01, Paul Williams wrote: > > Hello Simon > > Here is grub.conf: > [snip] > title Other > rootnoverify (hd0,0) > chainloader +1 > > > And here is dev/sda: > Device Boot Start End Blocks ID > System > /dev/sda1 1 192 153600 > 27 Unknown > Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary > /dev/sda2 192 4654 35846231 7 > HPFS/NTFS > /dev/sda3 4655 4680 204800 83 > Linux > /dev/sda4 4681 7296 21013020 5 > Extended > /dev/sda5 4681 7296 21012480 Be > Linux LVM OK, so there's something odd going on here. Your windows install appears to be on /dev/sda2, but there is this small partition before it. I'm not sure what this partition is (anyone else know?), but these little partitions are often installed by computer vendors with dignostic software or something similar. I'd guess that you should be booting from /dev/sda2 if you wanted to get into Windows. However - your grub config for your windows boot is pointing to hd0,0 which would be the small unknown partition. I'd suggest changing your grub.conf so that the boot location was hd0,1 and see if that finds your windows installation. So step by step instructions would be: In a terminal: su -c "cp /boot/grub/grub.conf /boot/grub/grub.conf.bak" su -c "emacs /boot/grub/grub.conf" You should see and editor open up and show you your grub.conf file. Edit the Other section to read: title Other rootnoverify (hd0,1) chainloader +1 Select File > Save Select File > Quit Reboot your machine, enter the grub menu and select the 'Other' entry from the list and see if you boot into windows. I've used the emacs editor if these instructions since you seemed to have problems when using gedit before. If you don't have emacs installed you'll need to do: su -c "yum -y install emacs" ...in a terminal first. If emacs works OK for you then you could retry the skype installation instructions using emacs instead of gedit. Hope this helps Simon. > From dom at latter.org Wed Oct 14 11:04:08 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:04:08 +0200 Subject: continuing troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: <6CEB8F17-E126-4AAB-AB28-8DCFEC500A2B@bbsrc.ac.uk> References: <6CEB8F17-E126-4AAB-AB28-8DCFEC500A2B@bbsrc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AD59408.4070203@latter.org> Simon Andrews wrote: > On 13 Oct 2009, at 11:01, Paul Williams wrote: > >> Device Boot Start End Blocks ID >> System >> /dev/sda1 1 192 153600 Strange, the reported size is off by about a factor of ten from what it should be, for the number of cylinders. > OK, so there's something odd going on here. Your windows install > appears to be on /dev/sda2, but there is this small partition before > it. I'm not sure what this partition is (anyone else know?), but > these little partitions are often installed by computer vendors with > dignostic software or something similar. Or possibly a suspend-to-disk partition. Or it may be a Linux swap partition that somehow got corrupted. I can't see a swap and I'd be surprised if Fedora doesn't create one by default. > I've used the emacs editor if these instructions since you seemed to > have problems when using gedit before. If you don't have emacs > installed you'll need to do: > > su -c "yum -y install emacs" I'd strongly suggest leaving emacs alone until the system is working to your satisfaction and you've got the time... "nano" should be installed by default, and is a very quick and simple editor with a help screen for the most important magic runes always visible. "joe" is another excellent alternative. From tinmachin3 at googlemail.com Thu Oct 15 09:24:21 2009 From: tinmachin3 at googlemail.com (Luke) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:24:21 +0100 Subject: Identica Message-ID: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, Just wondering if anyone here has an account on http://identi.ca/ ? It's a Free Software twitter-alike (with more features, and much less spam), and because of this it's a very good place to talk about and get help with Linux and related issues. I would certainly recommend giving it a try. My account is http://identi.ca/reality/ Thanks, -- Luke Slater :O) this text is protected by international copyright. it is illegal for anybody apart from the recipient to keep a copy of this text. dieser text wird von internationalem urheberrecht geschuetzt. allen ausser dem/der empfaenger/-in ist untersagt, eine kopie dieses textes zu behalten. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They also have working Jabber integration and have had since very early on. > this text is protected by international copyright. it is illegal for > anybody apart from the recipient to keep a copy of this text. > dieser text wird von internationalem urheberrecht geschuetzt. allen > ausser dem/der empfaenger/-in ist untersagt, eine kopie dieses textes > zu behalten. This cracked me up ;-) /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From luke at blog-thing.com Thu Oct 15 09:58:54 2009 From: luke at blog-thing.com (Luke) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:58:54 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17aa29670910150058l381c4039y7263007197a94035@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/15 Magnus Therning > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Luke wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > Just wondering if anyone here has an account on http://identi.ca/ ? > > Sure do, see my sig. > > > It's a Free Software twitter-alike (with more features, and much less > spam), > > and because of this it's a very good place to talk about and get help > with > > Linux and related issues. > > > > I would certainly recommend giving it a try. > > They also have working Jabber integration and have had since very early on. > > > this text is protected by international copyright. it is illegal for > > anybody apart from the recipient to keep a copy of this text. > > dieser text wird von internationalem urheberrecht geschuetzt. allen > > ausser dem/der empfaenger/-in ist untersagt, eine kopie dieses textes > > zu behalten. > > This cracked me up ;-) > > /M > > -- > Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) > magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org > http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe > That's an anti-government-spying notice :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091015/8dc27501/attachment-0002.htm From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Thu Oct 15 09:59:21 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:59:21 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> On 15 Oct 2009, at 08:54, Magnus Therning wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Luke > wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> Just wondering if anyone here has an account on http://identi.ca/ ? Is that the same thing as laconi.ca (I think it's the same project, but with a new name?). There was a really interesting FLOSS weekly episode about that: http://twit.tv/floss37 .. I really liked the idea that you had distributed installs of a microblogging service, which could then talk to each other. Simon. PS I notice that the list does not set the reply-to address back to the list, meaning that some replies are going direct to senders rather than making it onto the list. Would it not be a good idea to change this so that traffic stays on the list by default? From luke at blog-thing.com Thu Oct 15 10:07:38 2009 From: luke at blog-thing.com (Luke) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:07:38 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <17aa29670910150107t7a539773wc1fae975b8c57ab3@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/15 Simon Andrews > > On 15 Oct 2009, at 08:54, Magnus Therning wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Luke > > wrote: > >> Hello everyone, > >> > >> Just wondering if anyone here has an account on http://identi.ca/ ? > > > Is that the same thing as laconi.ca (I think it's the same project, > but with a new name?). There was a really interesting FLOSS weekly > episode about that: > > http://twit.tv/floss37 > > .. I really liked the idea that you had distributed installs of a > microblogging service, which could then talk to each other. > > Simon. > > PS I notice that the list does not set the reply-to address back to > the list, meaning that some replies are going direct to senders rather > than making it onto the list. Would it not be a good idea to change > this so that traffic stays on the list by default? > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > Laconia is the technology you speak of, although I believe they renamed that again recently... 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URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091015/60df4f29/attachment-0002.htm From magnus at therning.org Thu Oct 15 10:32:08 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:32:08 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Simon Andrews [..] > PS I notice that the list does not set the reply-to address back to > the list, meaning that some replies are going direct to senders rather > than making it onto the list. ?Would it not be a good idea to change > this so that traffic stays on the list by default? Search for "reply-to munging" and read the arguments for and against this, unless you already have. It's good to understand why some lists do this and others don't. Personally I consider reply-to munging to be harmful. Also, I use mail clients that handle lists fairly well, so I'm happy the way it is. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From dom at latter.org Thu Oct 15 10:45:28 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:45:28 +0200 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AD6E128.1000103@latter.org> Magnus Therning wrote: > Search for "reply-to munging" and read the arguments for and against > this, unless you already have. It's good to understand why some lists > do this and others don't. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > Personally I consider reply-to munging to be harmful. Also, I use > mail clients that handle lists fairly well, so I'm happy the way it > is. I'm using Thunderbird and it's rubbish. The theory is that because it's extensible I'd be able to find the necessary widgets to add to it to make it handle mailing lists, allow arbitrary "from:" addresses, and any other tweaks I find I need. So far I've not managed it. Kmail (which I now realise was a lot better than I thought it was) lacked one crucial feature - the ability to detach attachments. I tried an add on perl script but it didn't work. Has this feature been added now? From magnus at therning.org Thu Oct 15 11:10:51 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:10:51 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: <4AD6E128.1000103@latter.org> References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> <4AD6E128.1000103@latter.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Dom Latter wrote: > Magnus Therning wrote: >> Search for "reply-to munging" and read the arguments for and against >> this, unless you already have. ?It's good to understand why some lists >> do this and others don't. > > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > >> Personally I consider reply-to munging to be harmful. ?Also, I use >> mail clients that handle lists fairly well, so I'm happy the way it >> is. > > I'm using Thunderbird and it's rubbish. ?The theory is that because > it's extensible I'd be able to find the necessary widgets to add to > it to make it handle mailing lists, allow arbitrary "from:" addresses, > and any other tweaks I find I need. ?So far I've not managed it. Yes, I agree. Thunderbird is rubbish, and I'm also a user. Why do I feel like in some sort of AA-but-for-thunderbird-users meeting? I just found https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/4455 but I haven't tried it myself yet. Rather depressing that there's been a request for such a feature for 5 years. > Kmail (which I now realise was a lot better than I thought it was) > lacked one crucial feature - the ability to detach attachments. > I tried an add on perl script but it didn't work. ?Has this > feature been added now? In my mind it also lacks another important feature: Gnome-ification :-) /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Thu Oct 15 12:44:29 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:44:29 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> <4AD6E128.1000103@latter.org> Message-ID: <4AD6FD0D.9020906@mansfield.co.uk> On 15/10/09 10:10, Magnus Therning wrote: >> I'm using Thunderbird and it's rubbish. ? The theory is that because >> it's extensible I'd be able to find the necessary widgets to add to >> it to make it handle mailing lists, allow arbitrary "from:" addresses, >> and any other tweaks I find I need. ? So far I've not managed it. tbird "works for me"... but I am on 3.0b3 which is much better. there's a "reply-list" button. the thread view is much better as is selecting multiple messages and seeing a snippet of all of them. the multiple email accounts has worked for me since I adopted it when it turned v2.0.x agreed that it does need some serious loving to polish it up, but it's much lighter-weight than evolution. From dom at latter.org Thu Oct 15 13:11:06 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:11:06 +0200 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: <4AD6FD0D.9020906@mansfield.co.uk> References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> <4AD6E128.1000103@latter.org> <4AD6FD0D.9020906@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4AD7034A.3080704@latter.org> Paul M wrote: > tbird "works for me"... but I am on 3.0b3 which is much better. there's > a "reply-list" button. the thread view is much better as is selecting > multiple messages and seeing a snippet of all of them. Right. I'll be re-installing my system in a few weeks time so will look to upgrade mail client at the same time. Or I might just go with Kubuntu and Kmail - as long as Kmail now lets me remove attachments. This is an essential feature for me. > the multiple email accounts has worked for me since I adopted it when it > turned v2.0.x I mean arbitrary, on-the-fly email addresses. When I write to company.com I like to give them company.com at latter.org as my email address. > agreed that it does need some serious loving to polish it up, but it's > much lighter-weight than evolution. Interesting. I do need / prefer light-weight apps. From marcus at quintic.co.uk Thu Oct 15 13:46:56 2009 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:46:56 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: <4AD7034A.3080704@latter.org> References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> <4AD6E128.1000103@latter.org> <4AD6FD0D.9020906@mansfield.co.uk> <4AD7034A.3080704@latter.org> Message-ID: <4AD70BB0.3000109@quintic.co.uk> Dom Latter wrote: >> the multiple email accounts has worked for me since I adopted it when it >> > turned v2.0.x > > I mean arbitrary, on-the-fly email addresses. When I write to company.com > I like to give themcompany.com at latter.org as my email address. You might want to check out the virtual identity addon [1], needs a bit of setting up, but works really well. Marcus [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/594 From johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk Thu Oct 15 14:10:32 2009 From: johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk (Johnnie Ingram) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:10:32 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AD71138.7060606@moviestorm.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 15/10/2009 08:24, Luke wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Just wondering if anyone here has an account on http://identi.ca/ ? > <> I do indeed - http://identi.ca/johnnieingram - but I have to confess that it's barely used. My twitter account (@johnnieingram) is far more active. Why? Well, whilst I love the idea of identi.ca and the open-source fanboi in me delights in the idea of an open-source microblogging platform, the plain fact is that close to 100% of my contacts use twitter rather than identi.ca. As far as I'm concerned, the entire point of either system comes from the people you follow and who follow you. A microblogging service which just consists of me talking to myself (which is what identi.ca effectively is for me) is therefore broken, as far as my subjective user-story is concerned, at least. Pragmatism has to come before principals in this case, unfortunately. For the same reason, I have closed-source graphics drivers installed for the nvidia card in my main home machine. If I didn't, I wouldn't be able to play World Of Warcraft (at which point, I very much suspect, I would take my own life). Still, having now established that several members of this list do indeed have reasonably active identi.ca accounts, the service has suddenly become far more practically useful for me. Consider yourselves duly followed. 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Drew -- Drew Fitzsimmons From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Mon Oct 19 13:42:07 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:42:07 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> Message-ID: <20091019114207.GA3509@weber> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:27:01PM +0100, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:21:10PM +0100, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > > > I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe > > > Czucha's wiki. > > > > There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: > [...] > > It might be an idea to set the wiki so that edits can only be made by > > a user who has logged in. > > Yes I e-mail Joe yesterday to ask him about this. I haven't heard back from > him yet. Can anyone get in contact with Joe to ask him about creating admin accounts on the Wiki? It's being spammed more and more. Tom From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 01:48:58 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=C5=84ski?=) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:48:58 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Again I forgot to choose replay all. 2009/10/22 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : > 2009/10/15 Luke : >> Hello everyone, >> >> Just wondering if anyone here has an account on http://identi.ca/ ? > > So I have one from now: > > http://identi.ca/wawrzek > > Cheers, > Wawrzek > -- > ?Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski ? ? ?vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN > ? ?Linux User #177124 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com > ?PhD in Quantum Chemistry ? ? ? ? ? ?WWW: http://wawrzek.name > ?MSc in Molecular Engineering ? ? ? ? ? JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl > -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 13:00:03 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=C5=84ski?=) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:00:03 +0100 Subject: Joining the list - problems Message-ID: Hi, I've just got a message from Rafal who tried to joing our mailing list, but haven't got any confirmation from week or so. Anybody can check it? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From alastair at altrux.me.uk Fri Oct 23 21:23:05 2009 From: alastair at altrux.me.uk (Alastair Stevens) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:23:05 +0100 Subject: Rant 1: 123-reg mail servers Message-ID: <4AE20299.2080900@altrux.me.uk> Hi Guys - do any of you use 123-reg for your domains & hosting? I'm guessing a few of you do, so I'm just wondering whether anyone's got their e-mail to actually work properly yet? Now that they've upgraded their systems to offer full mailboxes and SMTP server access, I tried to get my Exim mail server to talk to them (smarthost), but with no success. I've configured SMTP-auth in the usual way, but outbound mail gets rejected every time with a 550 error. I've had problems with other SMTP servers too, and the only one that's ever worked is GMail (smtp.gmail.com). So I'm *still* having to use that, and I'd prefer not to route everything through GMail and Google's data-spying servers :-) Any ideas on what I'm missing? Cheers AL -- ==================================================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From alastair at altrux.me.uk Fri Oct 23 21:30:32 2009 From: alastair at altrux.me.uk (Alastair Stevens) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:30:32 +0100 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release Message-ID: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> Sigh - I don't know I keep getting so excited. I dutifully download each new Ubuntu release (once it reaches RC stage) and test it out, with a view to then upgrading my systems ahead of the 'final' release rush. But with every x.10 release, I'm gravely disappointed. It is just me, or are they on a seriously consistent 'alternate release' cycle? All of the x.04 (incl Dapper) releases, LTS or otherwise, have generally been solid and usable. But every x.10 release, without exception, has been a howler, with one or more showstopping problems. So far, I've only tried 9.10 UNR on my EeePC 901 netbook. It won't even finish booting - and yes, I've tried every 'safe' option, and I've checked and passed the media test. I can get as far as a root console, but no graphics beyond the new boot splash thing. And yes, 9.04 installed and worked first time and has worked ever since, without a hitch. So, on UNR 9.04 my netbook stays. I'll see what happens with the 'main' versions on my proper machines, but it's already given me a bad taste. I know it's early days, but has anyone else tried it yet? Any thoughts? Cheers AL -- ==================================================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From dom at latter.org Fri Oct 23 21:37:14 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:37:14 +0200 Subject: Rant 1: 123-reg mail servers In-Reply-To: <4AE20299.2080900@altrux.me.uk> References: <4AE20299.2080900@altrux.me.uk> Message-ID: <4AE205EA.9050303@latter.org> Alastair Stevens wrote: > Hi Guys - do any of you use 123-reg for your domains & hosting? Domains, for historical reasons, and otherwise as little possible. They used to be OK but got sucked into the whole Webfusion mess. From dom at latter.org Fri Oct 23 21:42:12 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:42:12 +0200 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> Message-ID: <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> Alastair Stevens wrote: > So, on UNR 9.04 my netbook stays. I'll see what happens with the 'main' > versions on my proper machines, but it's already given me a bad taste. I > know it's early days, but has anyone else tried it yet? Any thoughts? I've tried 9.10 Beta on an old (very old) laptop - seemed to work apart from Xorg hoovering all available CPU. I'm very keen to move to 9.10 as apparently the Intel video driver problems have been sorted. From alastair at altrux.me.uk Sat Oct 24 00:59:55 2009 From: alastair at altrux.me.uk (Alastair Stevens) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:59:55 +0100 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> Message-ID: <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/23 : > Alastair Stevens wrote: > >> So, on UNR 9.04 my netbook stays. ?I'll see what happens with the 'main' >> versions on my proper machines, but it's already given me a bad taste. I >> know it's early days, but has anyone else tried it yet? ?Any thoughts? > > I've tried 9.10 Beta on an old (very old) laptop - seemed to work apart > from Xorg hoovering all available CPU. > > I'm very keen to move to 9.10 as apparently the Intel video driver > problems have been sorted. I've just been playing with it under KVM on my big machine, and *still* cannot get a full graphical boot. I can get the login screen, and it reaches a desktop but the display (apart from the status bar at the top) is garbled in various ways. So much for video driver fixes :-) Again, this is still only UNR - the regular i386 version of 9.10 seems to run OK, both from a LiveCD and through KVM.... Cheers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From dom at latter.org Sat Oct 24 01:22:43 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 01:22:43 +0200 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> Alastair Stevens wrote: > Again, this is still only UNR - the regular i386 version of 9.10 seems > to run OK, both from a LiveCD and through KVM.... It's a beta! File a bug report, or wait for the official release! BTW, I prefer it if people only reply to the list, unless there's a particularly good reason for me to get two copies... From luke at blog-thing.com Sat Oct 24 02:09:13 2009 From: luke at blog-thing.com (Luke) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 01:09:13 +0100 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> Message-ID: <17aa29670910231709x691d2f80lcbf64997b3e42370@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/24 > Alastair Stevens wrote: > > > Again, this is still only UNR - the regular i386 version of 9.10 seems > > to run OK, both from a LiveCD and through KVM.... > > It's a beta! File a bug report, or wait for the official release! > > BTW, I prefer it if people only reply to the list, unless there's a > particularly > good reason for me to get two copies... > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > Alastair, have you tried other distributions of Linux, to see if they support your Intel driver properly? I suggest Mandriva, SuSE or Fedora. Video drivers are unfortunately one of those features that seem to have very sporadic differences in support between distributions. -- Luke Slater :O) this text is protected by international copyright. it is illegal for anybody apart from the recipient to keep a copy of this text. dieser text wird von internationalem urheberrecht geschuetzt. allen ausser dem/der empfaenger/-in ist untersagt, eine kopie dieses textes zu behalten. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091024/236da044/attachment-0001.htm From dom at latter.org Sat Oct 24 09:36:14 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:36:14 +0200 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <17aa29670910231709x691d2f80lcbf64997b3e42370@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> <17aa29670910231709x691d2f80lcbf64997b3e42370@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE2AE6E.8070409@latter.org> Luke wrote: > Alastair, have you tried other distributions of Linux, to see if they > support your Intel driver properly? I suggest Mandriva, SuSE or Fedora. I think you're addressing me, not Alastair. It's a Linux problem, not an Ubuntu problem: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090817#feature Hasn't bothered me enough to switch, although I probably will, as the "weight" of Ubuntu seems to be creeping up and my laptop's not getting any faster (and is now maxxed out at 1GB of RAM). From wolfgangs at manticoreit.com Sat Oct 24 14:29:22 2009 From: wolfgangs at manticoreit.com (Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:29:22 +0100 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <4AE2AE6E.8070409@latter.org> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> <17aa29670910231709x691d2f80lcbf64997b3e42370@mail.gmail.com> <4AE2AE6E.8070409@latter.org> Message-ID: <1256387362.7400.2.camel@wolfgang> I had similar issues when I tried Fedora 11 earlier this year. And that was with an NVidia card. Eventually moved back to my good old trusted Debian and all issues went away. I think one needs to make a clear distinction what a box is used for: if it's a production server or desktop or laptop, then steer clear of the cutting edge stuff. On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 09:36 +0200, dom at latter.org wrote: > Luke wrote: > > > Alastair, have you tried other distributions of Linux, to see if they > > support your Intel driver properly? I suggest Mandriva, SuSE or Fedora. > > I think you're addressing me, not Alastair. It's a Linux problem, not > an Ubuntu problem: > > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090817#feature > > Hasn't bothered me enough to switch, although I probably will, as the > "weight" of Ubuntu seems to be creeping up and my laptop's not getting > any faster (and is now maxxed out at 1GB of RAM). > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Sun Oct 25 01:36:40 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:36:40 +0100 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <1256387362.7400.2.camel@wolfgang> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> <17aa29670910231709x691d2f80lcbf64997b3e42370@mail.gmail.com> <4AE2AE6E.8070409@latter.org> <1256387362.7400.2.camel@wolfgang> Message-ID: <4AE38F88.5000600@mansfield.co.uk> Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau wrote: > I think one needs to make a clear distinction what a box is used for: if > it's a production server or desktop or laptop, then steer clear of the > cutting edge stuff. that's all very well, but alhough we were using ubuntu 8.xx LTS we were forced to use 9 non-LTS when we bought some Dell R710 (dual xeon L5520-based) servers as the 64 bit kernel didn't work with the memory controller. After we gave up nagging for a back-ported kernel and fired up 9.04, it emerged later tan the ubuntu people simply didn't have a machine of that class for testing (had they said, we could have set something up for them, we did have 37 servers so one could have been set aside one for testing :-) From alspnost at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 09:45:39 2009 From: alspnost at gmail.com (Alastair Stevens) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:45:39 +0000 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <4AE38F88.5000600@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> <17aa29670910231709x691d2f80lcbf64997b3e42370@mail.gmail.com> <4AE2AE6E.8070409@latter.org> <1256387362.7400.2.camel@wolfgang> <4AE38F88.5000600@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4536e91b0910250145y28f130b0uef726dbcb8da68df@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/25 Paul : > Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau wrote: >> I think one needs to make a clear distinction what a box is used for: if >> it's a production server or desktop or laptop, then steer clear of the >> cutting edge stuff. > > that's all very well, but alhough we were using ubuntu 8.xx LTS we were > forced to use 9 non-LTS when we bought some Dell R710 (dual xeon > L5520-based) servers as the 64 bit kernel didn't work with the memory > controller. ?After we gave up nagging for a back-ported kernel and fired > up 9.04, it emerged later tan the ubuntu people simply didn't have a > machine of that class for testing (had they said, we could have set > something up for them, we did have 37 servers so one could have been set > aside one for testing :-) Anyway guys, it's only Netbook Remix, and I guess the Intel video driver thing still hasn't settled down. But given that said Intel driver "issue" was a *major* focus of development, and given that they've touted a 'production quality release candidate' suitable for 'testing by all', and it won't even boot on the *most common* bog standard Intel netbook hardware platform, I think a little rant is justified! I finally got UNR booting under KVM using 'std vga' graphics, and although it's vaguely pretty, I think I actually prefer the 9.04 interface anyway, so the netbook shall remain with that for now :-) The next step is to spin up the 64-bit main release on a 64-bit KVM guest and see how it plays. I want to be absolutely sure that it actually works properly before I risk upgrading my main desktop.... Cheers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From wolfgangs at manticoreit.com Sun Oct 4 19:53:22 2009 From: wolfgangs at manticoreit.com (Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:53:22 +0100 Subject: Hello Message-ID: <1254678802.25250.13.camel@wolfgang> Hi all, I joined the list a few days ago and thought I should probably introduce myself a little. I am relatively recent linux user, having had my first proper contact with it around 2003/04 and since 2006 I am a full time linux user. I am 49, possibly one of the older members on the list, and I currently work as Business Systems Manager (effectively Head of IT) at Amino Communications in Swavesey (that's about 10 miles northwest of Cambridge, right next to the A14). At Amino, we have approx. 150 staff in 6 offices all around the world, of which around 100 are linux users and rest is on MS Windows. We also have approx 150 servers in operation, of which approx. 80% are linux based, with a wide variety of distros (Debian, Ubuntu, Redhat, Fedora, Centos, Gentoo, SuSe). My personal favourite is Debian, and our whole household runs on it. Home for me is in Stourbridge (Dudley), which is also the reason why you probably won't see me at any of the monthly meetings. I am not really a specialist in any field, but due to my job I am quite good at picking up any subject and acquiring the necessary knowledge very quickly. I also run my own web server, which is home to around half a dozen web sites, and I run an open source project (www.latrix.org.uk) for attendance and presence tracking. Oh, and there is a blog: www.codercorner.org cheers Wolfgang From wawrzek at gmail.com Tue Oct 6 00:30:27 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 23:30:27 +0100 Subject: CamLUG group on LinkedIN Message-ID: Hi, I would like you know that our group on LinkedIn reached next milestone - 20 users. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 20:35:10 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:35:10 +0100 Subject: Sunday meeting Message-ID: <126d63860910081135r4945971esfb157e18b90fdd05@mail.gmail.com> Hi fellow cluggers, Is anyone intending to head to CB2 this weekend? I have to be somewhere else on Sunday morning but will hopefully be finished by mid afternoon so any time from then on I should be able to make it. -- Drew Fitzsimmons From clug at julianprice.org.uk Sat Oct 10 12:35:45 2009 From: clug at julianprice.org.uk (Julian price) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:35:45 +0100 Subject: Sunday meeting Message-ID: <4AD06381.4040104@julianprice.org.uk> Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > Hi fellow cluggers, > > Is anyone intending to head to CB2 this weekend? > I have to be somewhere else on Sunday morning but will hopefully be > finished by mid afternoon so any time from then on I should be able to > make it. > Yes, I'll be there from 2pm to 5pm on Sunday I will put a printed Tux on the table - probably upstairs - unless someone else does so first. The more the merrier. Come on everyone! Cheers, Julian From wawrzek at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 22:08:13 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:08:13 +0100 Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: <1254678802.25250.13.camel@wolfgang> References: <1254678802.25250.13.camel@wolfgang> Message-ID: 2009/10/4 Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau : > Hi all, > [...] > My personal favourite is Debian, and our whole household runs on it. > Home for me is in Stourbridge (Dudley), which is also the reason why you > probably won't see me at any of the monthly meetings. [...] I would say it's not so surprising taking into account that you are working in one company with Debian Leader ;) Anyway thanks for joining and writing this mail. It's good to know who else belongs to group. Cheers, Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 23:51:54 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:51:54 +0100 Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: <1254678802.25250.13.camel@wolfgang> References: <1254678802.25250.13.camel@wolfgang> Message-ID: 2009/10/4 Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau : [...] > Oh, and there is a blog: www.codercorner.org Reading this message the idea of the CamLUG users' blogs list returned and I started one on our wiki: http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/index.php/Blogs Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From pmpbw at hotmail.com Mon Oct 12 17:21:02 2009 From: pmpbw at hotmail.com (Paul Williams) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:21:02 +0000 Subject: Newbie's troubles with Fedora Message-ID: Hi Fedora has just been installed on my computer (yesterday at CB2). Can someone in Cambridge please spare me about half an hour to physically show me how to get back access to Vista (it's still on the other partition but BootMgr is missing), and help me to load Skype? Many thanks Paul Williams _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091012/e890e2fe/attachment-0001.htm From will.pink at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 17:33:29 2009 From: will.pink at gmail.com (william pink) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:33:29 +0100 Subject: Newbie's troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7891dd830910120833y19fa7203k4e7b0aef9c45846f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Paul, When you mean "access" do you mean viewing the files on the partition? If so you will need to install ntfsprogs which in Fedora can be done by yum install ntfsprogs Google how to add to this to your /etc/fstab which will permanently mount the Vista FS each time you boot. For Skype take a look http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-fedora-11-gnome and go through it there maybe some other apps that may take your interest. If you need anymore assistance just reply here Kind Regards, Will On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Paul Williams wrote: > > Hi > > Fedora has just been installed on my computer (yesterday at CB2). Can > someone in Cambridge please spare me about half an hour to physically show > me how to get back access to Vista (it's still on the other partition but > BootMgr is missing), and help me to load Skype? > > Many thanks > > Paul Williams > > > > > ------------------------------ > New! 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URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091012/92ae68ec/attachment-0003.htm From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Mon Oct 12 17:36:11 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:36:11 +0100 Subject: Newbie's troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A2556D6-9737-40B3-9CA8-E2F5927E76C3@bbsrc.ac.uk> On 12 Oct 2009, at 16:21, Paul Williams wrote: > > Hi > > Fedora has just been installed on my computer (yesterday at CB2). > Can someone in Cambridge please spare me about half an hour to > physically show me how to get back access to Vista (it's still on > the other partition but BootMgr is missing), and help me to load > Skype? Normally Fedora would have set up a Grub entry to allow you to boot back into your Vista installation. If this is the case then as soon as you see the initial fedora boot menu (with a 3 second countdown on it) press space. You should be taken to a grub menu which hopefully has a set of different boot options, one of which should be to boot your windows installation. If you don't see this then if you post the contents of /boot/grub/ grub.conf we might be able to figure out what to put to add your windows install to the boot options. As for skype - you can run this from within Fedora if you want to. This guide gives you the details of how to add the skype repository to your list of repositories and then install skype from it. http://www.tekkie.ro/computer-setup/easiest-way-to-get-skype-on-fedora-11/ Hope this helps Simon. From clug at julianprice.org.uk Mon Oct 12 21:20:50 2009 From: clug at julianprice.org.uk (Julian price) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:20:50 +0100 Subject: CLUG meeting Message-ID: <4AD38192.9040305@julianprice.org.uk> Yesterday's CLUG meeting at CB2 went well I thought. 5 people turned up, all of whom either had laptops with things that needed fixing/installing, or were willing and able to help fix those laptops. I was on the receiving end of the fixes, and I learned lots from the chats too, so thanks very much to Drew, Luke, Simon and Paul for your help. It would be a good idea to meet a bit later next time as CB2 was still packed with Sunday lunchers at 2pm and it was hard to find a free table, and very noisy. Some things that would have come in useful (must remember to bring next time) - Live DVDs / latest distribution DVDs (CB2 WiFi is too slow) - CAT 6 network cable for connection to network to download WiFi drivers - Gang block (only 2 power sockets available for 5 people) - Blue tack to stick the CLUG sign up so it can be seen across the room A memory stick & Linux command-line reference book came in useful. It would be great to keep the monthly meetings going. Why not put November the 8th in your diary now? Thanks, Julian From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 10:25:57 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:25:57 +0100 Subject: Newbie's continuing troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 13 Oct 2009, at 00:00, Paul Williams wrote: > Hello Simon > > I've found /boot/grub/grub.conf, but I can't open it as I don't have > permission. I'm also told I'm not the owner. How do I get in to look > at it? In a terminal... su -c "cat /boot/grub/grub.conf" You'll be prompted for the root password you created when you first installed Fedora. Also, while you're doing that - can you post the results of: su -c "/sbin/fdisk -l /dev/sda" ..as that might help to find where your windows install went. Simon. From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 10:38:16 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:38:16 +0100 Subject: Newbie's troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <529CD0D6-2012-44FC-8882-74E6F687A4E7@bbsrc.ac.uk> On 12 Oct 2009, at 18:02, Paul Williams wrote: > As for Skype, I had already found the page you gave me the link to, > and I had already tried those few lines, but on the very first one I > got an error message: Failed to contact configuration server; some > possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for > ORBit, or you have stale NFS due to a system crash etc etc. I just tried the instructions there and I saw the same errors, but gedit opened up OK despite them, and I got skype installed really easily. When you tried did the gedit window not open up? If so you could create the skpe.repo file in your home directory and then copy it to the correct directory as root. > You will appreciate that I didn't find that very helpful. However I > was connecting to the net, so I don't see why there was no contact > with config server. It's talking about a local server on your machine, not something on the net. > So I'm stuck. When are you next going to CB2? The next planned meeting will be the second Sunday of November (8th), unless anyone is keen enough they want to arrange anything before that. Simon. From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 21:43:07 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:43:07 +0100 Subject: Newbie's troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <126d63860910131243m52507b5fr10f174676abb936b@mail.gmail.com> Hi Paul, sorry to hear you couldn't get back into your windows install. As Simon has said there should have been an entry added to grubs menu.lst to allow you to boot Vista. Hopefully you've sorted it out by now (ideally by installing skype in fedora ) but if you are really in need of help I can head down to CB2 this weekend to see if I can help. Drew On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Paul Williams wrote: > > Hi > > Fedora has just been installed on my computer (yesterday at CB2). Can > someone in Cambridge please spare me about half an hour to physically show > me how to get back access to Vista (it's still on the other partition but > BootMgr is missing), and help me to load Skype? > > Many thanks > > Paul Williams > > > > > ________________________________ > New! Receive and respond to mail from other email accounts from within > Hotmail Find out how. > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > -- Drew Fitzsimmons From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Wed Oct 14 09:51:58 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:51:58 +0100 Subject: continuing troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6CEB8F17-E126-4AAB-AB28-8DCFEC500A2B@bbsrc.ac.uk> On 13 Oct 2009, at 11:01, Paul Williams wrote: > > Hello Simon > > Here is grub.conf: > [snip] > title Other > rootnoverify (hd0,0) > chainloader +1 > > > And here is dev/sda: > Device Boot Start End Blocks ID > System > /dev/sda1 1 192 153600 > 27 Unknown > Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary > /dev/sda2 192 4654 35846231 7 > HPFS/NTFS > /dev/sda3 4655 4680 204800 83 > Linux > /dev/sda4 4681 7296 21013020 5 > Extended > /dev/sda5 4681 7296 21012480 Be > Linux LVM OK, so there's something odd going on here. Your windows install appears to be on /dev/sda2, but there is this small partition before it. I'm not sure what this partition is (anyone else know?), but these little partitions are often installed by computer vendors with dignostic software or something similar. I'd guess that you should be booting from /dev/sda2 if you wanted to get into Windows. However - your grub config for your windows boot is pointing to hd0,0 which would be the small unknown partition. I'd suggest changing your grub.conf so that the boot location was hd0,1 and see if that finds your windows installation. So step by step instructions would be: In a terminal: su -c "cp /boot/grub/grub.conf /boot/grub/grub.conf.bak" su -c "emacs /boot/grub/grub.conf" You should see and editor open up and show you your grub.conf file. Edit the Other section to read: title Other rootnoverify (hd0,1) chainloader +1 Select File > Save Select File > Quit Reboot your machine, enter the grub menu and select the 'Other' entry from the list and see if you boot into windows. I've used the emacs editor if these instructions since you seemed to have problems when using gedit before. If you don't have emacs installed you'll need to do: su -c "yum -y install emacs" ...in a terminal first. If emacs works OK for you then you could retry the skype installation instructions using emacs instead of gedit. Hope this helps Simon. > From dom at latter.org Wed Oct 14 11:04:08 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:04:08 +0200 Subject: continuing troubles with Fedora In-Reply-To: <6CEB8F17-E126-4AAB-AB28-8DCFEC500A2B@bbsrc.ac.uk> References: <6CEB8F17-E126-4AAB-AB28-8DCFEC500A2B@bbsrc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AD59408.4070203@latter.org> Simon Andrews wrote: > On 13 Oct 2009, at 11:01, Paul Williams wrote: > >> Device Boot Start End Blocks ID >> System >> /dev/sda1 1 192 153600 Strange, the reported size is off by about a factor of ten from what it should be, for the number of cylinders. > OK, so there's something odd going on here. Your windows install > appears to be on /dev/sda2, but there is this small partition before > it. I'm not sure what this partition is (anyone else know?), but > these little partitions are often installed by computer vendors with > dignostic software or something similar. Or possibly a suspend-to-disk partition. Or it may be a Linux swap partition that somehow got corrupted. I can't see a swap and I'd be surprised if Fedora doesn't create one by default. > I've used the emacs editor if these instructions since you seemed to > have problems when using gedit before. If you don't have emacs > installed you'll need to do: > > su -c "yum -y install emacs" I'd strongly suggest leaving emacs alone until the system is working to your satisfaction and you've got the time... "nano" should be installed by default, and is a very quick and simple editor with a help screen for the most important magic runes always visible. "joe" is another excellent alternative. From tinmachin3 at googlemail.com Thu Oct 15 09:24:21 2009 From: tinmachin3 at googlemail.com (Luke) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:24:21 +0100 Subject: Identica Message-ID: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, Just wondering if anyone here has an account on http://identi.ca/ ? It's a Free Software twitter-alike (with more features, and much less spam), and because of this it's a very good place to talk about and get help with Linux and related issues. I would certainly recommend giving it a try. My account is http://identi.ca/reality/ Thanks, -- Luke Slater :O) this text is protected by international copyright. it is illegal for anybody apart from the recipient to keep a copy of this text. dieser text wird von internationalem urheberrecht geschuetzt. allen ausser dem/der empfaenger/-in ist untersagt, eine kopie dieses textes zu behalten. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091015/8f6d0ec5/attachment-0002.htm From magnus at therning.org Thu Oct 15 09:54:07 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:54:07 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Luke wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Just wondering if anyone here has an account on http://identi.ca/ ? Sure do, see my sig. > It's a Free Software twitter-alike (with more features, and much less spam), > and because of this it's a very good place to talk about and get help with > Linux and related issues. > > I would certainly recommend giving it a try. They also have working Jabber integration and have had since very early on. > this text is protected by international copyright. it is illegal for > anybody apart from the recipient to keep a copy of this text. > dieser text wird von internationalem urheberrecht geschuetzt. allen > ausser dem/der empfaenger/-in ist untersagt, eine kopie dieses textes > zu behalten. This cracked me up ;-) /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From luke at blog-thing.com Thu Oct 15 09:58:54 2009 From: luke at blog-thing.com (Luke) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:58:54 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17aa29670910150058l381c4039y7263007197a94035@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/15 Magnus Therning > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Luke wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > Just wondering if anyone here has an account on http://identi.ca/ ? > > Sure do, see my sig. > > > It's a Free Software twitter-alike (with more features, and much less > spam), > > and because of this it's a very good place to talk about and get help > with > > Linux and related issues. > > > > I would certainly recommend giving it a try. > > They also have working Jabber integration and have had since very early on. > > > this text is protected by international copyright. it is illegal for > > anybody apart from the recipient to keep a copy of this text. > > dieser text wird von internationalem urheberrecht geschuetzt. allen > > ausser dem/der empfaenger/-in ist untersagt, eine kopie dieses textes > > zu behalten. > > This cracked me up ;-) > > /M > > -- > Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) > magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org > http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe > That's an anti-government-spying notice :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091015/8dc27501/attachment-0003.htm From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Thu Oct 15 09:59:21 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:59:21 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> On 15 Oct 2009, at 08:54, Magnus Therning wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Luke > wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> Just wondering if anyone here has an account on http://identi.ca/ ? Is that the same thing as laconi.ca (I think it's the same project, but with a new name?). There was a really interesting FLOSS weekly episode about that: http://twit.tv/floss37 .. I really liked the idea that you had distributed installs of a microblogging service, which could then talk to each other. Simon. PS I notice that the list does not set the reply-to address back to the list, meaning that some replies are going direct to senders rather than making it onto the list. Would it not be a good idea to change this so that traffic stays on the list by default? From luke at blog-thing.com Thu Oct 15 10:07:38 2009 From: luke at blog-thing.com (Luke) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:07:38 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <17aa29670910150107t7a539773wc1fae975b8c57ab3@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/15 Simon Andrews > > On 15 Oct 2009, at 08:54, Magnus Therning wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Luke > > wrote: > >> Hello everyone, > >> > >> Just wondering if anyone here has an account on http://identi.ca/ ? > > > Is that the same thing as laconi.ca (I think it's the same project, > but with a new name?). There was a really interesting FLOSS weekly > episode about that: > > http://twit.tv/floss37 > > .. I really liked the idea that you had distributed installs of a > microblogging service, which could then talk to each other. > > Simon. > > PS I notice that the list does not set the reply-to address back to > the list, meaning that some replies are going direct to senders rather > than making it onto the list. Would it not be a good idea to change > this so that traffic stays on the list by default? > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > Laconia is the technology you speak of, although I believe they renamed that again recently... 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URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091015/60df4f29/attachment-0003.htm From magnus at therning.org Thu Oct 15 10:32:08 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:32:08 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Simon Andrews [..] > PS I notice that the list does not set the reply-to address back to > the list, meaning that some replies are going direct to senders rather > than making it onto the list. ?Would it not be a good idea to change > this so that traffic stays on the list by default? Search for "reply-to munging" and read the arguments for and against this, unless you already have. It's good to understand why some lists do this and others don't. Personally I consider reply-to munging to be harmful. Also, I use mail clients that handle lists fairly well, so I'm happy the way it is. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From dom at latter.org Thu Oct 15 10:45:28 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:45:28 +0200 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4AD6E128.1000103@latter.org> Magnus Therning wrote: > Search for "reply-to munging" and read the arguments for and against > this, unless you already have. It's good to understand why some lists > do this and others don't. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > Personally I consider reply-to munging to be harmful. Also, I use > mail clients that handle lists fairly well, so I'm happy the way it > is. I'm using Thunderbird and it's rubbish. The theory is that because it's extensible I'd be able to find the necessary widgets to add to it to make it handle mailing lists, allow arbitrary "from:" addresses, and any other tweaks I find I need. So far I've not managed it. Kmail (which I now realise was a lot better than I thought it was) lacked one crucial feature - the ability to detach attachments. I tried an add on perl script but it didn't work. Has this feature been added now? From magnus at therning.org Thu Oct 15 11:10:51 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:10:51 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: <4AD6E128.1000103@latter.org> References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> <4AD6E128.1000103@latter.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Dom Latter wrote: > Magnus Therning wrote: >> Search for "reply-to munging" and read the arguments for and against >> this, unless you already have. ?It's good to understand why some lists >> do this and others don't. > > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > >> Personally I consider reply-to munging to be harmful. ?Also, I use >> mail clients that handle lists fairly well, so I'm happy the way it >> is. > > I'm using Thunderbird and it's rubbish. ?The theory is that because > it's extensible I'd be able to find the necessary widgets to add to > it to make it handle mailing lists, allow arbitrary "from:" addresses, > and any other tweaks I find I need. ?So far I've not managed it. Yes, I agree. Thunderbird is rubbish, and I'm also a user. Why do I feel like in some sort of AA-but-for-thunderbird-users meeting? I just found https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/4455 but I haven't tried it myself yet. Rather depressing that there's been a request for such a feature for 5 years. > Kmail (which I now realise was a lot better than I thought it was) > lacked one crucial feature - the ability to detach attachments. > I tried an add on perl script but it didn't work. ?Has this > feature been added now? In my mind it also lacks another important feature: Gnome-ification :-) /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Thu Oct 15 12:44:29 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:44:29 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> <4AD6E128.1000103@latter.org> Message-ID: <4AD6FD0D.9020906@mansfield.co.uk> On 15/10/09 10:10, Magnus Therning wrote: >> I'm using Thunderbird and it's rubbish. ? The theory is that because >> it's extensible I'd be able to find the necessary widgets to add to >> it to make it handle mailing lists, allow arbitrary "from:" addresses, >> and any other tweaks I find I need. ? So far I've not managed it. tbird "works for me"... but I am on 3.0b3 which is much better. there's a "reply-list" button. the thread view is much better as is selecting multiple messages and seeing a snippet of all of them. the multiple email accounts has worked for me since I adopted it when it turned v2.0.x agreed that it does need some serious loving to polish it up, but it's much lighter-weight than evolution. From dom at latter.org Thu Oct 15 13:11:06 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:11:06 +0200 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: <4AD6FD0D.9020906@mansfield.co.uk> References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> <4AD6E128.1000103@latter.org> <4AD6FD0D.9020906@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4AD7034A.3080704@latter.org> Paul M wrote: > tbird "works for me"... but I am on 3.0b3 which is much better. there's > a "reply-list" button. the thread view is much better as is selecting > multiple messages and seeing a snippet of all of them. Right. I'll be re-installing my system in a few weeks time so will look to upgrade mail client at the same time. Or I might just go with Kubuntu and Kmail - as long as Kmail now lets me remove attachments. This is an essential feature for me. > the multiple email accounts has worked for me since I adopted it when it > turned v2.0.x I mean arbitrary, on-the-fly email addresses. When I write to company.com I like to give them company.com at latter.org as my email address. > agreed that it does need some serious loving to polish it up, but it's > much lighter-weight than evolution. Interesting. I do need / prefer light-weight apps. From marcus at quintic.co.uk Thu Oct 15 13:46:56 2009 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:46:56 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: <4AD7034A.3080704@latter.org> References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> <802DEDCD-9C7A-4F10-AD12-ECD0B700B78E@bbsrc.ac.uk> <4AD6E128.1000103@latter.org> <4AD6FD0D.9020906@mansfield.co.uk> <4AD7034A.3080704@latter.org> Message-ID: <4AD70BB0.3000109@quintic.co.uk> Dom Latter wrote: >> the multiple email accounts has worked for me since I adopted it when it >> > turned v2.0.x > > I mean arbitrary, on-the-fly email addresses. When I write to company.com > I like to give themcompany.com at latter.org as my email address. You might want to check out the virtual identity addon [1], needs a bit of setting up, but works really well. Marcus [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/594 From johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk Thu Oct 15 14:10:32 2009 From: johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk (Johnnie Ingram) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:10:32 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AD71138.7060606@moviestorm.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 15/10/2009 08:24, Luke wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Just wondering if anyone here has an account on http://identi.ca/ ? > <> I do indeed - http://identi.ca/johnnieingram - but I have to confess that it's barely used. My twitter account (@johnnieingram) is far more active. Why? Well, whilst I love the idea of identi.ca and the open-source fanboi in me delights in the idea of an open-source microblogging platform, the plain fact is that close to 100% of my contacts use twitter rather than identi.ca. As far as I'm concerned, the entire point of either system comes from the people you follow and who follow you. A microblogging service which just consists of me talking to myself (which is what identi.ca effectively is for me) is therefore broken, as far as my subjective user-story is concerned, at least. Pragmatism has to come before principals in this case, unfortunately. For the same reason, I have closed-source graphics drivers installed for the nvidia card in my main home machine. If I didn't, I wouldn't be able to play World Of Warcraft (at which point, I very much suspect, I would take my own life). Still, having now established that several members of this list do indeed have reasonably active identi.ca accounts, the service has suddenly become far more practically useful for me. Consider yourselves duly followed. 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Drew -- Drew Fitzsimmons From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Mon Oct 19 13:42:07 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:42:07 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <20090926112701.GA5690@weber> Message-ID: <20091019114207.GA3509@weber> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:27:01PM +0100, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 12:21:10PM +0100, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > > > I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe > > > Czucha's wiki. > > > > There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: > [...] > > It might be an idea to set the wiki so that edits can only be made by > > a user who has logged in. > > Yes I e-mail Joe yesterday to ask him about this. I haven't heard back from > him yet. Can anyone get in contact with Joe to ask him about creating admin accounts on the Wiki? It's being spammed more and more. Tom From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 01:48:58 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=C5=84ski?=) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:48:58 +0100 Subject: Identica In-Reply-To: References: <17aa29670910150024l557425bcm820b8c527012261a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Again I forgot to choose replay all. 2009/10/22 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : > 2009/10/15 Luke : >> Hello everyone, >> >> Just wondering if anyone here has an account on http://identi.ca/ ? > > So I have one from now: > > http://identi.ca/wawrzek > > Cheers, > Wawrzek > -- > ?Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski ? ? ?vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN > ? ?Linux User #177124 ? ? ? ? ? ? ?E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com > ?PhD in Quantum Chemistry ? ? ? ? ? ?WWW: http://wawrzek.name > ?MSc in Molecular Engineering ? ? ? ? ? JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl > -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Oct 23 13:00:03 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=C5=84ski?=) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:00:03 +0100 Subject: Joining the list - problems Message-ID: Hi, I've just got a message from Rafal who tried to joing our mailing list, but haven't got any confirmation from week or so. Anybody can check it? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From alastair at altrux.me.uk Fri Oct 23 21:23:05 2009 From: alastair at altrux.me.uk (Alastair Stevens) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:23:05 +0100 Subject: Rant 1: 123-reg mail servers Message-ID: <4AE20299.2080900@altrux.me.uk> Hi Guys - do any of you use 123-reg for your domains & hosting? I'm guessing a few of you do, so I'm just wondering whether anyone's got their e-mail to actually work properly yet? Now that they've upgraded their systems to offer full mailboxes and SMTP server access, I tried to get my Exim mail server to talk to them (smarthost), but with no success. I've configured SMTP-auth in the usual way, but outbound mail gets rejected every time with a 550 error. I've had problems with other SMTP servers too, and the only one that's ever worked is GMail (smtp.gmail.com). So I'm *still* having to use that, and I'd prefer not to route everything through GMail and Google's data-spying servers :-) Any ideas on what I'm missing? Cheers AL -- ==================================================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From alastair at altrux.me.uk Fri Oct 23 21:30:32 2009 From: alastair at altrux.me.uk (Alastair Stevens) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:30:32 +0100 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release Message-ID: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> Sigh - I don't know I keep getting so excited. I dutifully download each new Ubuntu release (once it reaches RC stage) and test it out, with a view to then upgrading my systems ahead of the 'final' release rush. But with every x.10 release, I'm gravely disappointed. It is just me, or are they on a seriously consistent 'alternate release' cycle? All of the x.04 (incl Dapper) releases, LTS or otherwise, have generally been solid and usable. But every x.10 release, without exception, has been a howler, with one or more showstopping problems. So far, I've only tried 9.10 UNR on my EeePC 901 netbook. It won't even finish booting - and yes, I've tried every 'safe' option, and I've checked and passed the media test. I can get as far as a root console, but no graphics beyond the new boot splash thing. And yes, 9.04 installed and worked first time and has worked ever since, without a hitch. So, on UNR 9.04 my netbook stays. I'll see what happens with the 'main' versions on my proper machines, but it's already given me a bad taste. I know it's early days, but has anyone else tried it yet? Any thoughts? Cheers AL -- ==================================================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From dom at latter.org Fri Oct 23 21:37:14 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:37:14 +0200 Subject: Rant 1: 123-reg mail servers In-Reply-To: <4AE20299.2080900@altrux.me.uk> References: <4AE20299.2080900@altrux.me.uk> Message-ID: <4AE205EA.9050303@latter.org> Alastair Stevens wrote: > Hi Guys - do any of you use 123-reg for your domains & hosting? Domains, for historical reasons, and otherwise as little possible. They used to be OK but got sucked into the whole Webfusion mess. From dom at latter.org Fri Oct 23 21:42:12 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:42:12 +0200 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> Message-ID: <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> Alastair Stevens wrote: > So, on UNR 9.04 my netbook stays. I'll see what happens with the 'main' > versions on my proper machines, but it's already given me a bad taste. I > know it's early days, but has anyone else tried it yet? Any thoughts? I've tried 9.10 Beta on an old (very old) laptop - seemed to work apart from Xorg hoovering all available CPU. I'm very keen to move to 9.10 as apparently the Intel video driver problems have been sorted. From alastair at altrux.me.uk Sat Oct 24 00:59:55 2009 From: alastair at altrux.me.uk (Alastair Stevens) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:59:55 +0100 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> Message-ID: <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/23 : > Alastair Stevens wrote: > >> So, on UNR 9.04 my netbook stays. ?I'll see what happens with the 'main' >> versions on my proper machines, but it's already given me a bad taste. I >> know it's early days, but has anyone else tried it yet? ?Any thoughts? > > I've tried 9.10 Beta on an old (very old) laptop - seemed to work apart > from Xorg hoovering all available CPU. > > I'm very keen to move to 9.10 as apparently the Intel video driver > problems have been sorted. I've just been playing with it under KVM on my big machine, and *still* cannot get a full graphical boot. I can get the login screen, and it reaches a desktop but the display (apart from the status bar at the top) is garbled in various ways. So much for video driver fixes :-) Again, this is still only UNR - the regular i386 version of 9.10 seems to run OK, both from a LiveCD and through KVM.... Cheers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From dom at latter.org Sat Oct 24 01:22:43 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 01:22:43 +0200 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> Alastair Stevens wrote: > Again, this is still only UNR - the regular i386 version of 9.10 seems > to run OK, both from a LiveCD and through KVM.... It's a beta! File a bug report, or wait for the official release! BTW, I prefer it if people only reply to the list, unless there's a particularly good reason for me to get two copies... From luke at blog-thing.com Sat Oct 24 02:09:13 2009 From: luke at blog-thing.com (Luke) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 01:09:13 +0100 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> Message-ID: <17aa29670910231709x691d2f80lcbf64997b3e42370@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/24 > Alastair Stevens wrote: > > > Again, this is still only UNR - the regular i386 version of 9.10 seems > > to run OK, both from a LiveCD and through KVM.... > > It's a beta! File a bug report, or wait for the official release! > > BTW, I prefer it if people only reply to the list, unless there's a > particularly > good reason for me to get two copies... > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > Alastair, have you tried other distributions of Linux, to see if they support your Intel driver properly? I suggest Mandriva, SuSE or Fedora. Video drivers are unfortunately one of those features that seem to have very sporadic differences in support between distributions. -- Luke Slater :O) this text is protected by international copyright. it is illegal for anybody apart from the recipient to keep a copy of this text. dieser text wird von internationalem urheberrecht geschuetzt. allen ausser dem/der empfaenger/-in ist untersagt, eine kopie dieses textes zu behalten. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091024/236da044/attachment-0002.htm From dom at latter.org Sat Oct 24 09:36:14 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:36:14 +0200 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <17aa29670910231709x691d2f80lcbf64997b3e42370@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> <17aa29670910231709x691d2f80lcbf64997b3e42370@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE2AE6E.8070409@latter.org> Luke wrote: > Alastair, have you tried other distributions of Linux, to see if they > support your Intel driver properly? I suggest Mandriva, SuSE or Fedora. I think you're addressing me, not Alastair. It's a Linux problem, not an Ubuntu problem: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090817#feature Hasn't bothered me enough to switch, although I probably will, as the "weight" of Ubuntu seems to be creeping up and my laptop's not getting any faster (and is now maxxed out at 1GB of RAM). From wolfgangs at manticoreit.com Sat Oct 24 14:29:22 2009 From: wolfgangs at manticoreit.com (Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:29:22 +0100 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <4AE2AE6E.8070409@latter.org> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> <17aa29670910231709x691d2f80lcbf64997b3e42370@mail.gmail.com> <4AE2AE6E.8070409@latter.org> Message-ID: <1256387362.7400.2.camel@wolfgang> I had similar issues when I tried Fedora 11 earlier this year. And that was with an NVidia card. Eventually moved back to my good old trusted Debian and all issues went away. I think one needs to make a clear distinction what a box is used for: if it's a production server or desktop or laptop, then steer clear of the cutting edge stuff. On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 09:36 +0200, dom at latter.org wrote: > Luke wrote: > > > Alastair, have you tried other distributions of Linux, to see if they > > support your Intel driver properly? I suggest Mandriva, SuSE or Fedora. > > I think you're addressing me, not Alastair. It's a Linux problem, not > an Ubuntu problem: > > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090817#feature > > Hasn't bothered me enough to switch, although I probably will, as the > "weight" of Ubuntu seems to be creeping up and my laptop's not getting > any faster (and is now maxxed out at 1GB of RAM). > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Sun Oct 25 01:36:40 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:36:40 +0100 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <1256387362.7400.2.camel@wolfgang> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> <17aa29670910231709x691d2f80lcbf64997b3e42370@mail.gmail.com> <4AE2AE6E.8070409@latter.org> <1256387362.7400.2.camel@wolfgang> Message-ID: <4AE38F88.5000600@mansfield.co.uk> Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau wrote: > I think one needs to make a clear distinction what a box is used for: if > it's a production server or desktop or laptop, then steer clear of the > cutting edge stuff. that's all very well, but alhough we were using ubuntu 8.xx LTS we were forced to use 9 non-LTS when we bought some Dell R710 (dual xeon L5520-based) servers as the 64 bit kernel didn't work with the memory controller. After we gave up nagging for a back-ported kernel and fired up 9.04, it emerged later tan the ubuntu people simply didn't have a machine of that class for testing (had they said, we could have set something up for them, we did have 37 servers so one could have been set aside one for testing :-) From alspnost at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 09:45:39 2009 From: alspnost at gmail.com (Alastair Stevens) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:45:39 +0000 Subject: Rant 2: oh dear, it's another Ubuntu x.10 release In-Reply-To: <4AE38F88.5000600@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4AE20458.9030704@altrux.me.uk> <4AE20714.3020902@latter.org> <4536e91b0910231559n39df7497va39e13b0266fb506@mail.gmail.com> <4AE23AC3.3010909@latter.org> <17aa29670910231709x691d2f80lcbf64997b3e42370@mail.gmail.com> <4AE2AE6E.8070409@latter.org> <1256387362.7400.2.camel@wolfgang> <4AE38F88.5000600@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4536e91b0910250145y28f130b0uef726dbcb8da68df@mail.gmail.com> 2009/10/25 Paul : > Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau wrote: >> I think one needs to make a clear distinction what a box is used for: if >> it's a production server or desktop or laptop, then steer clear of the >> cutting edge stuff. > > that's all very well, but alhough we were using ubuntu 8.xx LTS we were > forced to use 9 non-LTS when we bought some Dell R710 (dual xeon > L5520-based) servers as the 64 bit kernel didn't work with the memory > controller. ?After we gave up nagging for a back-ported kernel and fired > up 9.04, it emerged later tan the ubuntu people simply didn't have a > machine of that class for testing (had they said, we could have set > something up for them, we did have 37 servers so one could have been set > aside one for testing :-) Anyway guys, it's only Netbook Remix, and I guess the Intel video driver thing still hasn't settled down. But given that said Intel driver "issue" was a *major* focus of development, and given that they've touted a 'production quality release candidate' suitable for 'testing by all', and it won't even boot on the *most common* bog standard Intel netbook hardware platform, I think a little rant is justified! I finally got UNR booting under KVM using 'std vga' graphics, and although it's vaguely pretty, I think I actually prefer the 9.04 interface anyway, so the netbook shall remain with that for now :-) The next step is to spin up the 64-bit main release on a 64-bit KVM guest and see how it plays. I want to be absolutely sure that it actually works properly before I risk upgrading my main desktop.... Cheers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html