From dom@hidden Thu May 7 17:54:47 2009 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Thu May 7 16:55:01 2009 Subject: Wifi woes. In-Reply-To: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> References: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <200905071654.47893.dom@latter.org> On Wednesday 18 February 2009 13:26:28 Dom Latter wrote: > I have an elderly laptop for websurfing and listening to the radio. > It was on Ubuntu 7.10 but I think since 8.04 the wifi has been broken. > Upgraded to 8.10, still broken; tried out the latest Fedora, ditto. > > Seems that it's a kernel issue, ever since 2.6.17-11: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=358004&page=6 > > I'm getting mighty fed up of trying out the module blacklisting options > that some people have had success with. My diagnosis was wrong. Normally my other laptop is plugged into a docking station and never uses the wifi - but for whatever reason I wanted to use wifi on the other one and found that it didn't work either. With more general prodding I found that it was able to authenticate (I think) but not associate, where as it was able to associate with other neighbouring wifi access points from time to time (with the wind in the right direction etc). So it began to look more and more like the router, despite my Wifi Voipfone working as well as it's ever done. (Both laptops use the Intersil / Prism chipset, so it may be some weird interaction between that chipset and the router). One hard reset of the adsl modem / router / wifi AP later, and it's all fine. (So far). From wawrzek@hidden Sun May 10 23:30:30 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun May 10 23:30:42 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> Message-ID: 2009/4/24 Tom Ellis : > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 04:05:48PM +0100, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: >> Anybody interested in updates to new Wiki? > > What's there at the moment looks good. > > What we need most of all is to get a link to this (or even redirect to it) > from cambridge-lug.org. > Hello, I would like to remind about the issue. We need new website. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From tom-lists-clug2@hidden Sun May 10 23:43:40 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Sun May 10 23:43:45 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> Message-ID: <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:30:30PM +0100, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > 2009/4/24 Tom Ellis : > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 04:05:48PM +0100, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > >> Anybody interested in updates to new Wiki? > > > > What's there at the moment looks good. > > > > What we need most of all is to get a link to this (or even redirect to it) > > from cambridge-lug.org. > > > > I would like to remind about the issue. We need new website. Yes you are right. Here is a very simple n-step plan to achieving this goal: 1. Find someone who can change the content on http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ 2. Remove *everything* on cam-lug.org.uk *except* a link to http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/ 3. Edit the wiki to our hearts' content (4. Transition the wiki over to cam-lug.org.uk if necessary) Tom From wawrzek@hidden Sun May 10 23:50:40 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun May 10 23:50:51 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> References: <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> Message-ID: Hi, [...] > Here is a very simple n-step plan to achieving this goal: > > 1. Find someone who can change the content on http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ [...] Hmmmm, I guess that is a ''tiny' problem ;) Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From paul+clug@hidden Sun May 10 23:58:28 2009 From: paul+clug@hidden (Paul M) Date: Sun May 10 23:58:43 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> References: <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> Message-ID: <4A074E04.1010903@mansfield.co.uk> Tom Ellis wrote: > 1. Find someone who can change the content on http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ > 2. Remove *everything* on cam-lug.org.uk *except* a link to http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/ > 3. Edit the wiki to our hearts' content > (4. Transition the wiki over to cam-lug.org.uk if necessary) maybe just FRAME the alternative site so that at least it stays on the clug own domain. From wawrzek@hidden Mon May 11 00:25:11 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon May 11 00:25:23 2009 Subject: Jabber server in UK Message-ID: Hi, Do you use jabber? Can you suggested particular any server? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From magnus@hidden Mon May 11 09:44:51 2009 From: magnus@hidden (Magnus Therning) Date: Mon May 11 09:45:00 2009 Subject: Jabber server in UK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/5/10 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : > Hi, > > Do you use jabber? Can you suggested particular any server? Yes I do, and have for a few years now. I've been using Google's server ever since it got federated. Two reasons for it: 1. I can use my main email address, as I use Google Apps for my domain, and 2. they run their server on port 80 so I can use pidgin from work :-) /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From sam.kuper@hidden Mon May 11 12:12:32 2009 From: sam.kuper@hidden (Sam Kuper) Date: Mon May 11 12:12:44 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/10 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski > [...] > > Here is a very simple n-step plan to achieving this goal: > > > > 1. Find someone who can change the content on http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ > [...] > > Hmmmm, I guess that is a ''tiny' problem ;) Mark Roberts? http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2009-February/007450.html Or have I missed something? Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090511/6c70bf96/attachment.htm From paul+clug@hidden Mon May 11 23:44:02 2009 From: paul+clug@hidden (Paul M) Date: Mon May 11 23:44:13 2009 Subject: Jabber server in UK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A089C22.20301@mansfield.co.uk> Magnus Therning wrote: > 2009/5/10 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : >> Hi, >> >> Do you use jabber? Can you suggested particular any server? > > Yes I do, and have for a few years now. I've been using Google's > server ever since it got federated. Two reasons for it: > > 1. I can use my main email address, as I use Google Apps for my domain, and > 2. they run their server on port 80 so I can use pidgin from work :-) I thought google required TLS on their (jabber) XMPP server? Or do you mean you can use the webmail interface to also access chat? One nice thing about using google hosted mail is that those email addresses can also work with google's chat. Also, gtalk archive chats along with email. Very handy if someone sent you a link and you forgot it! From magnus@hidden Tue May 12 07:20:15 2009 From: magnus@hidden (Magnus Therning) Date: Tue May 12 07:20:35 2009 Subject: Jabber server in UK In-Reply-To: <4A089C22.20301@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4A089C22.20301@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A09070F.2040600@therning.org> Paul M wrote: > Magnus Therning wrote: >> 2009/5/10 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : >>> Hi, >>> >>> Do you use jabber? Can you suggested particular any server? >> Yes I do, and have for a few years now. I've been using Google's >> server ever since it got federated. Two reasons for it: >> >> 1. I can use my main email address, as I use Google Apps for my domain, and >> 2. they run their server on port 80 so I can use pidgin from work :-) > > I thought google required TLS on their (jabber) XMPP server? Or do you > mean you can use the webmail interface to also access chat? I use pidgin. You can either leave both "Require SSL/TLS" and "Force old (port 5223) SSL" unchecked, with a port of 80. I've also tried ticking "Force old SSL" with a port of 443. Both works. > One nice thing about using google hosted mail is that those email > addresses can also work with google's chat. Not too surprising since google's chat _is_ Jabber :-) > Also, gtalk archive chats along with email. Very handy if someone sent > you a link and you forgot it! Yes, that can be handy, though I've turned it off myself. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090512/53ff185e/signature.pgp From zen13321@hidden Wed May 13 20:32:46 2009 From: zen13321@hidden (Mark Roberts) Date: Wed May 13 20:32:45 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> > > 1. Find someone who can change the content on > http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ > [...] > > Hmmmm, I guess that is a ''tiny' problem ;) > > > Mark > Roberts? http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2009-February/007450.html > > Or have I missed something? I have got SSH access to the server, but putting code changes on requires some process involving CVS and a custom "publish" script - which may or may not be working. I'll have a dig and see if I can work it out. If not, I'll try to contact the last person to touch it (Joseph Birr-Pixton). By way of comment, I am not personally sold on the need to turn the site into a wiki. I can see that the current site looks old and makes it look like we're asleep, but why replace it with a vandalisable site? It seems to work on Wikipedia because lots of people notice defacement quickly and respond but our track record for responding isn't great. I tend to agree with Jon Green and Jonathan Schneider when they said (some time ago) that the most important thing is to clearly state the sign-up details for the mailing list, and say where and when we meet. Anything more than that might fit well on a wiki linked from there, although a very simple CMS all we really need. Best regards, Mark. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4072 (20090513) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From tom-lists-clug2@hidden Wed May 13 22:24:08 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Wed May 13 22:24:14 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> References: <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090513202408.GA3069@weber> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 07:32:46PM +0100, Mark Roberts wrote: > By way of comment, I am not personally sold on the need to turn the site > into a wiki. I can see that the current site looks old and makes it look > like we're asleep, but why replace it with a vandalisable site? It seems to > work on Wikipedia because lots of people notice defacement quickly and > respond but our track record for responding isn't great. Our track record for responding is poor only because very few people could respond! I really, really think we should try a wiki until the website content becomes stable. From kernel-hacker@hidden Thu May 14 12:27:48 2009 From: kernel-hacker@hidden (Alex Bennee) Date: Thu May 14 12:27:54 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090513202408.GA3069@weber> References: <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <20090513202408.GA3069@weber> Message-ID: 2009/5/13 Tom Ellis : > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 07:32:46PM +0100, Mark Roberts wrote: >> By way of comment, I am not personally sold on the need to turn the site >> into a wiki. I can see that the current site looks old and makes it look >> like we're asleep, but why replace it with a vandalisable site? It seems to >> work on Wikipedia because lots of people notice defacement quickly and >> respond but our track record for responding isn't great. > > Our track record for responding is poor only because very few people could > respond! ?I really, really think we should try a wiki until the website > content becomes stable. You could through up a drupal site in about 30 minutes (assuming you have complete control of the server) and then easily have multiple administrators who can post stories. Wikis are great but have a tendency to become very unstructured if not carefully maintained. I humbly suggest you want something low maintains not something requiring constant vigilance. -- Alex, homepage: http://www.bennee.com/~alex/ CV: http://www.bennee.com/~alex/cv.php From tom-lists-clug2@hidden Thu May 14 15:12:26 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Thu May 14 15:12:32 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <20090513202408.GA3069@weber> Message-ID: <20090514131226.GB4954@weber> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:27:48AM +0100, Alex Bennee wrote: > I humbly suggest you want something low maintains not something > requiring constant vigilance. I entirely agree with the sentiment, but until the site settles into a steady state, using Drupal will mean we lose a whole lot of flexibility. Tom From sam.kuper@hidden Thu May 14 16:19:05 2009 From: sam.kuper@hidden (Sam Kuper) Date: Thu May 14 16:25:17 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090514131226.GB4954@weber> References: <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <20090513202408.GA3069@weber> <20090514131226.GB4954@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450905140719p4f3155c7k5d024b5fe9c02b64@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/14 Tom Ellis > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:27:48AM +0100, Alex Bennee wrote: > > I humbly suggest you want something low maintains not something > > requiring constant vigilance. > > I entirely agree with the sentiment, but until the site settles into a > steady state, using Drupal will mean we lose a whole lot of flexibility. Tom, I admire your faith that a wiki would settle into a steady state. I Alex is concerned that faith may be misplaced, however. It's not easy to tell in advance which of you is right, but my own experience using MediaWiki instances suggests that if the site is set up so that privileged users are alerted to edits, and if the ReCaptcha plugin is enabled, and if registration is required for editing, then Tom's faith will prove amply justified. Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090514/2233a9f4/attachment.htm From tom-lists-clug2@hidden Thu May 14 20:07:11 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Thu May 14 20:07:18 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4126b3450905140719p4f3155c7k5d024b5fe9c02b64@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <20090513202408.GA3069@weber> <20090514131226.GB4954@weber> <4126b3450905140719p4f3155c7k5d024b5fe9c02b64@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090514180711.GA2824@weber> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 03:19:05PM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > 2009/5/14 Tom Ellis > > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:27:48AM +0100, Alex Bennee wrote: > > > I humbly suggest you want something low maintains not something > > > requiring constant vigilance. > > > > I entirely agree with the sentiment, but until the site settles into a > > steady state, using Drupal will mean we lose a whole lot of flexibility. > > Tom, I admire your faith that a wiki would settle into a steady state. I > Alex is concerned that faith may be misplaced, however. We've tried the Content Management System approach and it's failed. Let's try something different. Requiring constant vigilance might well be a way to get people to care about the site. > It's not easy to tell in advance which of you is right, but my own > experience using MediaWiki instances suggests that if the site is set up so > that privileged users are alerted to edits, and if the ReCaptcha plugin is > enabled, and if registration is required for editing, then Tom's faith will > prove amply justified. I (used to) admin a wiki with no registration required, and no captcha. I kept track of Recent Changes via RSS and deleted two or three spams a month. Tom From wawrzek@hidden Thu May 14 22:35:31 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Thu May 14 22:41:46 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090514180711.GA2824@weber> References: <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <20090513202408.GA3069@weber> <20090514131226.GB4954@weber> <4126b3450905140719p4f3155c7k5d024b5fe9c02b64@mail.gmail.com> <20090514180711.GA2824@weber> Message-ID: 2009/5/14 Tom Ellis : > I (used to) admin a wiki with no registration required, and no captcha. ?I > kept track of Recent Changes via RSS and deleted two or three spams a month. > I like idea of registration as it WIKi of group of human being so if you want belongs, please register. But generally I don't care about technology, I want have living website. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From clug@hidden Thu May 14 22:05:01 2009 From: clug@hidden (Julian Price) Date: Fri May 15 00:26:32 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> References: <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> Mark Roberts wrote: > But > it looks as though the development process changed since I last used it, > cos the staging area for the code doesn't match what is on the live site. Mark Roberts wrote: > I have got SSH access to the server, but putting code changes on > requires some process involving CVS and a custom "publish" script - > which may or may not be working. > I tend to agree with Jon Green and Jonathan Schneider when they said > (some time ago) that the most important thing is to clearly state the > sign-up details for the mailing list Hi Mark The one thing everybody seems to agree on is that the current website is not working. Until we can agree on a long term solution, please can we have a 1 page place-holder that welcomes potential members and points them at the mailing list. > and say where and when we meet. in general, but to look at the mailing list for specifics If you feel a one-page website is embarrassing, then add a 'A new site is in development' message. (personally I don't think that's necessary) If you feel there is enough support for the Wiki then add a link to it now, otherwise leave the link off until whenever. The old site can be moth-balled in case it is later decided to resuscitate it. The discussion about what comes next is prolonging the current site so how about putting that on hold until the current site has gone. Does anyone object to replacing the current site with one-pager as an urgent and temporary measure, to be replaced sooner or later, one way or another? Thanks, Julian From tom-lists-clug2@hidden Fri May 15 01:36:16 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri May 15 01:36:20 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 09:05:01PM +0100, Julian Price wrote: > Does anyone object to replacing the current site with one-pager as an > urgent and temporary measure, to be replaced sooner or later, one way or > another? No, I'm absolutely in agreement with everything you wrote Julian, thanks. Tom From thierry@hidden Fri May 15 10:18:12 2009 From: thierry@hidden (Thierry Sayegh De Bellis) Date: Fri May 15 09:18:25 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A0D1734.9040108@glossolalie.org> Julian Price a ?crit : > > Does anyone object to replacing the current site with one-pager as an > urgent and temporary measure, to be replaced sooner or later, one way or > another? > > Thanks, > Julian I totally agree. One static page along the KISS principle. Mailing list and meeting schedule links. Right now this is what the website needs. Whatever happens next is still tbc as I do not think there is consensus Just mothball the old website and put up a single to-the-point page. my 2 p Thierry From sam.kuper@hidden Fri May 15 11:32:46 2009 From: sam.kuper@hidden (Sam Kuper) Date: Fri May 15 11:41:17 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/15 Tom Ellis > > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 09:05:01PM +0100, Julian Price wrote: > > Does anyone object to replacing the current site with one-pager as an > > urgent and temporary measure, to be replaced sooner or later, one way or > > another? > > No, I'm absolutely in agreement with everything you wrote Julian, thanks. +1 From clug@hidden Fri May 15 11:47:13 2009 From: clug@hidden (David Thorne) Date: Fri May 15 11:47:23 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> +1 -- Dave Sam Kuper wrote: > 2009/5/15 Tom Ellis > >> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 09:05:01PM +0100, Julian Price wrote: >> >>> Does anyone object to replacing the current site with one-pager as an >>> urgent and temporary measure, to be replaced sooner or later, one way or >>> another? >>> >> No, I'm absolutely in agreement with everything you wrote Julian, thanks. >> > > +1 > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From clug@hidden Fri May 15 12:40:31 2009 From: clug@hidden (Jan M. Dziewulski) Date: Fri May 15 12:40:38 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <143DB629-4A94-4573-8C13-087952109167@dziewulski.com> I agree as well... -- Janek On 15 May 2009, at 10:47, David Thorne wrote: > +1 > > -- > Dave > Sam Kuper wrote: >> 2009/5/15 Tom Ellis >> >>> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 09:05:01PM +0100, Julian Price wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone object to replacing the current site with one-pager >>>> as an >>>> urgent and temporary measure, to be replaced sooner or later, one >>>> way or >>>> another? >>>> >>> No, I'm absolutely in agreement with everything you wrote Julian, >>> thanks. >>> >> >> +1 >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug@cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From wawrzek@hidden Fri May 15 13:38:23 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri May 15 13:39:07 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <143DB629-4A94-4573-8C13-087952109167@dziewulski.com> References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> <143DB629-4A94-4573-8C13-087952109167@dziewulski.com> Message-ID: +1 -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From ew206@hidden Fri May 15 18:29:18 2009 From: ew206@hidden (ew206@cam.ac.uk) Date: Fri May 15 18:29:27 2009 Subject: concrete5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Concrete5 has been suggested as a CMS for a small-ish website, to enable non-technical staff to add and modify content, while being able to capture the existing complexity of the site, which contains multiple logical levels and various types of content. Any thoughts? -- Mr Ellis Weinberger Pager: +44 (0)7659 599 845 ; Mobile: +44 (0)7870 755 792 ew206@cam.ac.uk ; http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/ew206/ From sam.kuper@hidden Fri May 15 18:43:42 2009 From: sam.kuper@hidden (Sam Kuper) Date: Fri May 15 18:49:47 2009 Subject: concrete5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4126b3450905150943i4033f123n1c66a4eab2e1e880@mail.gmail.com> Dear Ellis, 2009/5/15 > Concrete5 has been suggested as a CMS for a small-ish website, to enable > non-technical staff to add and modify content, while being able to > capture the existing complexity of the site, which contains multiple > logical levels and various types of content. Any thoughts? A good starting place for researching possible CMSs to use for a project is this Wikipedia page . I've not tried Concrete5 myself, but if you do select it, I'm sure I'm not the only person on the CLUG list who would welcome an account of your impressions of it. 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URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090515/ef4e0c78/attachment.htm From clug@hidden Sat May 16 10:49:09 2009 From: clug@hidden (Julian Price) Date: Sat May 16 14:37:01 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A0E7E05.3030402@jul17pri.co.uk> > +1 > > -- > Dave > Sam Kuper wrote: >> 2009/5/15 Tom Ellis >> >>> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 09:05:01PM +0100, Julian Price wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone object to replacing the current site with one-pager as an >>>> urgent and temporary measure, to be replaced sooner or later, one >>>> way or >>>> another? >>>> >>> No, I'm absolutely in agreement with everything you wrote Julian, >>> thanks. >>> >> >> +1 Hi Mark That's the closest thing to a decision by the group. I just checked the page posted by Darren in May 2008 and it works fine: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html The Herts LUG page is similarly simple, but has the benefit of the logo... http://www.herts.lug.org.uk/ ...if you feel inclined to mix and match. I think we'd all be grateful if you could put that online for us. If you're unsure about changing the web server config then I'm sure there'll be someone on this list who can help. Thanks, Julian From wawrzek@hidden Sat May 16 14:39:30 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat May 16 14:39:40 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4A0E7E05.3030402@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> <4A0E7E05.3030402@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: > > That's the closest thing to a decision by the group. > > I just checked the page posted by Darren in May 2008 and it works fine: > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html > [...] AFAIR there were some concern about quality of English. Could you check it please? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From darrenslists@hidden Sat May 16 17:09:39 2009 From: darrenslists@hidden (Darren) Date: Sat May 16 17:08:43 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> <4A0E7E05.3030402@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: >> >> I just checked the page posted by Darren in May 2008 and it works >> fine: >> http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html >> > [...] > > AFAIR there were some concern about quality of English. Could you > check it please? > Ahem, I think that was in reference to your attempt :-) http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-August/007006.html I've just taken text from the current site and put it into a no- nonsense HTML format. I think it's a pity this is taking so long, May 2008 the topic came up. In the absence of an individual (or group of individuals) who run CLUG, and make decisions, this isn't going to be solved as all these options are just that until somebody picks one. I'm in favour of changing to a very simple page asap and discussing options later - can someone with access to the webserver put us out of our misery and take charge on this? Darren From tom-lists-clug2@hidden Sat May 16 17:28:35 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat May 16 17:28:43 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> <4A0E7E05.3030402@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090516152835.GA3998@weber> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 04:09:39PM +0100, Darren wrote: >>> I just checked the page posted by Darren in May 2008 and it works fine: >>> http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html >>> >> [...] >> >> AFAIR there were some concern about quality of English. Could you >> check it please? >> > > Ahem, I think that was in reference to your attempt :-) > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-August/007006.html > > I've just taken text from the current site and put it into a no-nonsense > HTML format. > > I think it's a pity this is taking so long, May 2008 the topic came up. In > the absence of an individual (or group of individuals) who run CLUG, and > make decisions, this isn't going to be solved as all these options are just > that until somebody picks one. I'm in favour of changing to a very simple > page asap and discussing options later - can someone with access to the > webserver put us out of our misery and take charge on this? Yes, please please please just link to the wiki. Then everyone who's interested can (separately) have a go at making what they would like to see in the CLUG website. http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/ Tom From gavin.evans@hidden Sat May 16 20:39:43 2009 From: gavin.evans@hidden (gavin.evans@procamintegrated.com) Date: Sat May 16 20:39:50 2009 Subject: Newbee help! Message-ID: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> Dear clug, I have just signed up to the mail list. I am a newbee to Linux but I am very interested to embrace it and use it in a newly formed company I am working for. I was wondering if there is anyone out there that could give me some help and advice on setting up a server preferably with Fidora. I am looking to setup backup for the Office, external access to the server and help with a database. Thanks Gavin. From kernel-hacker@hidden Sun May 17 22:35:33 2009 From: kernel-hacker@hidden (Alex Bennee) Date: Sun May 17 22:35:42 2009 Subject: Newbee help! In-Reply-To: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> References: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> Message-ID: 2009/5/16 : > Dear clug, > > I have just signed up to the mail list. > > I am a newbee to Linux but I am very interested to embrace it and use it > in a newly formed company I am working for. > > I was wondering if there is anyone out there that could give me some help > and advice on setting up a server preferably with Fidora. For a server (certainly a stable one for your business) I wouldn't go with Fedora. You may want to consider CentOS (~Red Hat Enterprise) or Debian. > I am looking to setup backup for the Office, Something as simple as a daily cron rsync to an off-site location will probably do you. Depends on how much data your going to be dealing with. >external access to the server ssh unless there is something especially fancy you need? > and help with a database. Depends on what you want to do with it. > > Thanks > > Gavin. > > > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Alex, homepage: http://www.bennee.com/~alex/ CV: http://www.bennee.com/~alex/cv.php From wawrzek@hidden Mon May 18 00:54:01 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon May 18 00:54:14 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> <4A0E7E05.3030402@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: 2009/5/16 Darren : > >>> >>> I just checked the page posted by Darren in May 2008 and it works fine: >>> http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html >>> >> [...] >> >> AFAIR there were some concern about quality of English. Could you >> check it please? >> > > Ahem, I think that was in reference to your attempt :-) > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-August/007006.html > > I've just taken text from the current site and put it into a no-nonsense > HTML format. > Yes your right it was about my version, but AFAIR I took your version (which means current version) and enrich the HTML tags, but I might be wrong (maybe a added/changed some content and misspell it ;) Anyway it's not important now. We need the static webpage with link to wiki. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From wawrzek@hidden Mon May 18 01:27:24 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon May 18 01:27:29 2009 Subject: Newbee help! In-Reply-To: References: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> Message-ID: 2009/5/17 Alex Bennee : > 2009/5/16 ?: >> Dear clug, [...] > For a server (certainly a stable one for your business) I wouldn't > go with Fedora. You may want to consider CentOS (~Red Hat > Enterprise) or Debian. > I would also add Ubuntu LTS edition and maybe OpenSuse, especially if you need interoperability with Windows. >> I am looking to setup backup for the Office, > Beside rsync, maybe clonezilla. > >>external access to the server > >> and help with a database. MySQL is the most common choice, but DBA often suggest other ones i.e. PostgreSQL. Have a nice time with Linux. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From sam.kuper@hidden Mon May 18 01:54:22 2009 From: sam.kuper@hidden (Sam Kuper) Date: Mon May 18 01:54:33 2009 Subject: Newbee help! In-Reply-To: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> References: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450905171654r5e27b091o429ab2357d5fb50a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/16 > I have just signed up to the mail list. Welcome! > I am a newbee to Linux but I am very interested to embrace it and use it > in a newly formed company I am working for. Excellent; very good to hear! > I was wondering if there is anyone out there that could give me some help > and advice on setting up a server preferably with Fidora. > > I am looking to setup backup for the Office, external access to the server > and help with a database. It would probably be helpful if you could suggest how much help you need, and what your level of experience is with other operating systems' server, backup and database offerings. That way, we'll have some idea which level we ought to pitch our advice at. As you've probably already gathered, you ought to begin by selecting a Linux distro to use. Broadly speaking, these fall into three families: Debian-based, Red Hat-based, and others. The primary difference is in the packaging system used. (A packaging system is a system for distributing programs - or software "packages" - to users, largely to save users the trouble of having to compile the programs themselves.) Debian-based distros (including Debian and Ubuntu) use a packaging system called apt; Red Hat-based distros use a packaging system called RPM; and then, there are various somewhat specialist distros that either don't use a packaging system at all, or else use a less common one than apt or RPM. My own preference is for Debian-derived distros, not least because I find apt quite easy to work with. Another important factor to consider when picking a distro is how stable it is. Some distros (e.g. Fedora; Ubuntu) aim to provide the latest packages asap, sometimes even if they're still a bit buggy. This is a bit like Windows software: it needs updating frequently, and the updates typically aren't just bug-fixes: they add or change the functionality of the software (think of Internet Explorer as a good example of this kind of thing, in the Windows context). Other distros (e.g. Debian; RHEL; CentOS) emphasise stability: software updates typically only address bugs; they don't otherwise change the functionality of the software. This is important, as otherwise any other piece of software that relies on the piece of software being updated could stop working if the piece being updated has its functionality altered. People quite often favour stability-oriented distros for servers, and other distros for desktops. This is because stability is more critical for servers, whereas having the latest features is sometimes more important for people using desktop workstations. Another important factor is support: do you want the security (and expense) of a support contract? If so, some distros offer this as standard, e.g. Ubuntu and Red Hat. For other distros, your support contract would have to be arranged separately, e.g. with an IT consultancy, or by hiring a sysadmin. Finally, you need to check that any distro under consideration does support the packages you want to use. With most mainstream distros, this shouldn't be a problem if all you need is backup software, remote logins, and a relational database. Hopefully this has been of some help. Now, I'd suggest searching the Web (and perhaps the computer bookshelves of the local bookshops) for answers to any more specific questions you might have. If you get stuck, either send another email to the CLUG list or to the mailing list for the piece of software that's puzzling you, and all being well, you'll get an answer pretty quickly :) Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090517/11102ee6/attachment.htm From wawrzek@hidden Mon May 18 02:42:57 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon May 18 02:43:06 2009 Subject: Newbee help! In-Reply-To: <4126b3450905171654r5e27b091o429ab2357d5fb50a@mail.gmail.com> References: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> <4126b3450905171654r5e27b091o429ab2357d5fb50a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/5/18 Sam Kuper : [...] > It would probably be helpful if you could suggest how much help you need, > and what your level of experience is with other operating systems' server, > backup and database offerings. That way, we'll have some idea which level we > ought to pitch our advice at. [...] > Sam Great text. I think it might find place on CamLUG website. -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From clug@hidden Mon May 18 05:59:30 2009 From: clug@hidden (Jan M. Dziewulski) Date: Mon May 18 05:59:36 2009 Subject: Fwd: Mailing list status References: <997DA949-CB94-48AC-B057-226FD3D469DC@dziewulski.com> Message-ID: <9B0AD258-9C70-40D9-865E-D62255904477@dziewulski.com> Hi all, I suppose it would just be my end but just to check, is anyone else getting duplicates of any mails sent to the list? Thanks, -- Janek From clug@hidden Mon May 18 09:15:42 2009 From: clug@hidden (David Thorne) Date: Mon May 18 09:15:57 2009 Subject: Newbee help! In-Reply-To: <4126b3450905171654r5e27b091o429ab2357d5fb50a@mail.gmail.com> References: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> <4126b3450905171654r5e27b091o429ab2357d5fb50a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A110B1E.6000302@the-thornes.co.uk> Gavin, Sam's advice is excellent and well worth taking heed of. If you are unsure of which distro to look at for your server, could you set up a few virtual machines short term to have a play with. You can then look at Debian/CentOS/Ubuntu LTS (Long Term Service - means patches and security updates are updated for 5 years in the case of servers) and choose based off your own experience. There are many howtos on the internet to help and of course we will always try to help you on here. Dave Sam Kuper wrote: > 2009/5/16 > > > I have just signed up to the mail list. > > > Welcome! > > > I am a newbee to Linux but I am very interested to embrace it and > use it > in a newly formed company I am working for. > > > Excellent; very good to hear! > > > I was wondering if there is anyone out there that could give me > some help > and advice on setting up a server preferably with Fidora. > > I am looking to setup backup for the Office, external access to > the server > and help with a database. > > > It would probably be helpful if you could suggest how much help you > need, and what your level of experience is with other operating > systems' server, backup and database offerings. That way, we'll have > some idea which level we ought to pitch our advice at. > > As you've probably already gathered, you ought to begin by selecting a > Linux distro to use. Broadly speaking, these fall into three families: > Debian-based, Red Hat-based, and others. The primary difference is in > the packaging system used. (A packaging system is a system for > distributing programs - or software "packages" - to users, largely to > save users the trouble of having to compile the programs themselves.) > > Debian-based distros (including Debian and Ubuntu) use a packaging > system called apt; Red Hat-based distros use a packaging system called > RPM; and then, there are various somewhat specialist distros that > either don't use a packaging system at all, or else use a less common > one than apt or RPM. My own preference is for Debian-derived distros, > not least because I find apt quite easy to work with. > > Another important factor to consider when picking a distro is how > stable it is. Some distros (e.g. Fedora; Ubuntu) aim to provide the > latest packages asap, sometimes even if they're still a bit buggy. > This is a bit like Windows software: it needs updating frequently, and > the updates typically aren't just bug-fixes: they add or change the > functionality of the software (think of Internet Explorer as a good > example of this kind of thing, in the Windows context). Other distros > (e.g. Debian; RHEL; CentOS) emphasise stability: software updates > typically only address bugs; they don't otherwise change the > functionality of the software. This is important, as otherwise any > other piece of software that relies on the piece of software being > updated could stop working if the piece being updated has its > functionality altered. > > People quite often favour stability-oriented distros for servers, and > other distros for desktops. This is because stability is more critical > for servers, whereas having the latest features is sometimes more > important for people using desktop workstations. > > Another important factor is support: do you want the security (and > expense) of a support contract? If so, some distros offer this as > standard, e.g. Ubuntu and Red Hat. For other distros, your support > contract would have to be arranged separately, e.g. with an IT > consultancy, or by hiring a sysadmin. > > Finally, you need to check that any distro under consideration does > support the packages you want to use. With most mainstream distros, > this shouldn't be a problem if all you need is backup software, remote > logins, and a relational database. > > Hopefully this has been of some help. Now, I'd suggest searching the > Web (and perhaps the computer bookshelves of the local bookshops) for > answers to any more specific questions you might have. If you get > stuck, either send another email to the CLUG list or to the mailing > list for the piece of software that's puzzling you, and all being > well, you'll get an answer pretty quickly :) > > Sam > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From David.Thorne@hidden Fri May 22 18:07:16 2009 From: David.Thorne@hidden (David Thorne) Date: Fri May 22 18:08:11 2009 Subject: Systems Administration opportunity - Cambridge Message-ID: <4A16DBC3.4263.00D8.0@golleyslater.co.uk> Good afternoon, Apologies for the repost, but I figured it was worth readvertising this role once more, just in case anyone missed it the first time around. I am writing to advertise a vacancy we have for a Systems Administrator/Technical Manager at Golley Slater Digital in Histon, Cambridge. 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From iain@hidden Fri May 29 11:59:20 2009 From: iain@hidden (Iain McFarlane) Date: Fri May 29 11:59:27 2009 Subject: sed/regex help Message-ID: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> Can I pick your brains... I have a file of md5sum + filename i.e. b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/1.txt b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/2.txt 804cd1ebf98ea66f4b55b059a3481581 ./x/3.txt I want to be able to change the md5sum so that each line is unique by adding the count of how many lines there are with that md5sum to the beginning of the md5sum. 1b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/1.txt 2b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/2.txt 1804cd1ebf98ea66f4b55b059a3481581 ./x/3.txt I have got so far but become stuck as the substitute only works on the first 32 chars and not the second line loaded in. sed -e '$\!N; s/^\(.\{32\} \)\(.*$\)/\1\2/' Also there may be more lines with the same md5sum. Regards, Iain ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From simon.andrews@hidden Fri May 29 12:06:36 2009 From: simon.andrews@hidden (Simon Andrews) Date: Fri May 29 12:06:50 2009 Subject: sed/regex help In-Reply-To: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> References: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <80C4F1CB-E43C-4371-B3D4-2D289C6F983B@bbsrc.ac.uk> On 29 May 2009, at 10:59, Iain McFarlane wrote: > Can I pick your brains... > > I have a file of md5sum + filename i.e. > b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/1.txt > b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/2.txt > 804cd1ebf98ea66f4b55b059a3481581 ./x/3.txt > > I want to be able to change the md5sum so that each line is unique > by adding the count of how many lines there are with that md5sum to > the beginning of the md5sum. > 1b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/1.txt > 2b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/2.txt > 1804cd1ebf98ea66f4b55b059a3481581 ./x/3.txt You'll have to construct something with a data structure which can remember and count which md5s you've seen before. I've not tested it but this perl script should do it (pass a filename as an argument or pipe in data from STDIN). TTFN Simon. #!/usr/bin/perl use warnings; use strict; my %md5; while (<>) { my ($md5) = split(/\s+/); ++$md5{$md5}; print $md5{$md5},$_; } From tehpeh@hidden Fri May 29 12:11:57 2009 From: tehpeh@hidden (Thomas Pircher) Date: Fri May 29 12:12:08 2009 Subject: sed/regex help In-Reply-To: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> References: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <0be77755adee0ae120b91c9bdd89c23f.squirrel@www.tty1.net> Iain McFarlane wrote: > Also there may be more lines with the same md5sum. Are the lines with the same md5sum guaranteed to be consecutive? If not you will have a very hard time to implement it in sed. The problem is very easy to solve with awk, for example: --- { if (a[$1]) { a[$1]++ } else { a[$1] = 1 } print a[$1]$0 } --- Or is it more a sporting challenge to use sed? HTH Thomas From iain@hidden Fri May 29 12:52:24 2009 From: iain@hidden (Iain McFarlane) Date: Fri May 29 12:52:30 2009 Subject: sed/regex help In-Reply-To: <0be77755adee0ae120b91c9bdd89c23f.squirrel@www.tty1.net> References: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> <0be77755adee0ae120b91c9bdd89c23f.squirrel@www.tty1.net> Message-ID: <20090529115224.19866zm8tx7q6pwk@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> Quoting Thomas Pircher : > Iain McFarlane wrote: >> Also there may be more lines with the same md5sum. > > Are the lines with the same md5sum guaranteed to be consecutive? If not > you will have a very hard time to implement it in sed. > > The problem is very easy to solve with awk, for example: > --- > { > if (a[$1]) { > a[$1]++ > } else { > a[$1] = 1 > } > print a[$1]$0 > } > --- > > Or is it more a sporting challenge to use sed? Awk is fine and working well - thanks very much! > > HTH > Thomas > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From tehpeh@hidden Fri May 29 13:03:31 2009 From: tehpeh@hidden (Thomas Pircher) Date: Fri May 29 13:03:41 2009 Subject: sed/regex help In-Reply-To: <20090529115224.19866zm8tx7q6pwk@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> References: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> <0be77755adee0ae120b91c9bdd89c23f.squirrel@www.tty1.net> <20090529115224.19866zm8tx7q6pwk@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <1ad2add725008861b5400e97e73f67fd.squirrel@www.tty1.net> Iain McFarlane wrote: > Awk is fine and working well - thanks very much! Inspired by Simon's example: you can reduce the script also to: --- { a[$1]++ print a[$1]$0 } --- Thomas From dom at latter.org Thu May 7 16:54:47 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:54:47 +0200 Subject: Wifi woes. In-Reply-To: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> References: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <200905071654.47893.dom@latter.org> On Wednesday 18 February 2009 13:26:28 Dom Latter wrote: > I have an elderly laptop for websurfing and listening to the radio. > It was on Ubuntu 7.10 but I think since 8.04 the wifi has been broken. > Upgraded to 8.10, still broken; tried out the latest Fedora, ditto. > > Seems that it's a kernel issue, ever since 2.6.17-11: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=358004&page=6 > > I'm getting mighty fed up of trying out the module blacklisting options > that some people have had success with. My diagnosis was wrong. Normally my other laptop is plugged into a docking station and never uses the wifi - but for whatever reason I wanted to use wifi on the other one and found that it didn't work either. With more general prodding I found that it was able to authenticate (I think) but not associate, where as it was able to associate with other neighbouring wifi access points from time to time (with the wind in the right direction etc). So it began to look more and more like the router, despite my Wifi Voipfone working as well as it's ever done. (Both laptops use the Intersil / Prism chipset, so it may be some weird interaction between that chipset and the router). One hard reset of the adsl modem / router / wifi AP later, and it's all fine. (So far). From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun May 10 23:30:30 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:30:30 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> Message-ID: 2009/4/24 Tom Ellis : > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 04:05:48PM +0100, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: >> Anybody interested in updates to new Wiki? > > What's there at the moment looks good. > > What we need most of all is to get a link to this (or even redirect to it) > from cambridge-lug.org. > Hello, I would like to remind about the issue. We need new website. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sun May 10 23:43:40 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:43:40 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> Message-ID: <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:30:30PM +0100, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > 2009/4/24 Tom Ellis : > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 04:05:48PM +0100, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > >> Anybody interested in updates to new Wiki? > > > > What's there at the moment looks good. > > > > What we need most of all is to get a link to this (or even redirect to it) > > from cambridge-lug.org. > > > > I would like to remind about the issue. We need new website. Yes you are right. Here is a very simple n-step plan to achieving this goal: 1. Find someone who can change the content on http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ 2. Remove *everything* on cam-lug.org.uk *except* a link to http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/ 3. Edit the wiki to our hearts' content (4. Transition the wiki over to cam-lug.org.uk if necessary) Tom From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun May 10 23:50:40 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:50:40 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> References: <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> Message-ID: Hi, [...] > Here is a very simple n-step plan to achieving this goal: > > 1. Find someone who can change the content on http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ [...] Hmmmm, I guess that is a ''tiny' problem ;) Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Sun May 10 23:58:28 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:58:28 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> References: <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> Message-ID: <4A074E04.1010903@mansfield.co.uk> Tom Ellis wrote: > 1. Find someone who can change the content on http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ > 2. Remove *everything* on cam-lug.org.uk *except* a link to http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/ > 3. Edit the wiki to our hearts' content > (4. Transition the wiki over to cam-lug.org.uk if necessary) maybe just FRAME the alternative site so that at least it stays on the clug own domain. From wawrzek at gmail.com Mon May 11 00:25:11 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:25:11 +0100 Subject: Jabber server in UK Message-ID: Hi, Do you use jabber? Can you suggested particular any server? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From magnus at therning.org Mon May 11 09:44:51 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 08:44:51 +0100 Subject: Jabber server in UK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/5/10 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : > Hi, > > Do you use jabber? Can you suggested particular any server? Yes I do, and have for a few years now. I've been using Google's server ever since it got federated. Two reasons for it: 1. I can use my main email address, as I use Google Apps for my domain, and 2. they run their server on port 80 so I can use pidgin from work :-) /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Mon May 11 12:12:32 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:12:32 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/10 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski > [...] > > Here is a very simple n-step plan to achieving this goal: > > > > 1. Find someone who can change the content on http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ > [...] > > Hmmmm, I guess that is a ''tiny' problem ;) Mark Roberts? http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2009-February/007450.html Or have I missed something? Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090511/6c70bf96/attachment-0001.htm From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Mon May 11 23:44:02 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 22:44:02 +0100 Subject: Jabber server in UK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A089C22.20301@mansfield.co.uk> Magnus Therning wrote: > 2009/5/10 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : >> Hi, >> >> Do you use jabber? Can you suggested particular any server? > > Yes I do, and have for a few years now. I've been using Google's > server ever since it got federated. Two reasons for it: > > 1. I can use my main email address, as I use Google Apps for my domain, and > 2. they run their server on port 80 so I can use pidgin from work :-) I thought google required TLS on their (jabber) XMPP server? Or do you mean you can use the webmail interface to also access chat? One nice thing about using google hosted mail is that those email addresses can also work with google's chat. Also, gtalk archive chats along with email. Very handy if someone sent you a link and you forgot it! From magnus at therning.org Tue May 12 07:20:15 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 06:20:15 +0100 Subject: Jabber server in UK In-Reply-To: <4A089C22.20301@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4A089C22.20301@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A09070F.2040600@therning.org> Paul M wrote: > Magnus Therning wrote: >> 2009/5/10 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : >>> Hi, >>> >>> Do you use jabber? Can you suggested particular any server? >> Yes I do, and have for a few years now. I've been using Google's >> server ever since it got federated. Two reasons for it: >> >> 1. I can use my main email address, as I use Google Apps for my domain, and >> 2. they run their server on port 80 so I can use pidgin from work :-) > > I thought google required TLS on their (jabber) XMPP server? Or do you > mean you can use the webmail interface to also access chat? I use pidgin. You can either leave both "Require SSL/TLS" and "Force old (port 5223) SSL" unchecked, with a port of 80. I've also tried ticking "Force old SSL" with a port of 443. Both works. > One nice thing about using google hosted mail is that those email > addresses can also work with google's chat. Not too surprising since google's chat _is_ Jabber :-) > Also, gtalk archive chats along with email. Very handy if someone sent > you a link and you forgot it! Yes, that can be handy, though I've turned it off myself. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090512/53ff185e/attachment.pgp From zen13321 at zen.co.uk Wed May 13 20:32:46 2009 From: zen13321 at zen.co.uk (Mark Roberts) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 19:32:46 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> > > 1. Find someone who can change the content on > http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ > [...] > > Hmmmm, I guess that is a ''tiny' problem ;) > > > Mark > Roberts? http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2009-February/007450.html > > Or have I missed something? I have got SSH access to the server, but putting code changes on requires some process involving CVS and a custom "publish" script - which may or may not be working. I'll have a dig and see if I can work it out. If not, I'll try to contact the last person to touch it (Joseph Birr-Pixton). By way of comment, I am not personally sold on the need to turn the site into a wiki. I can see that the current site looks old and makes it look like we're asleep, but why replace it with a vandalisable site? It seems to work on Wikipedia because lots of people notice defacement quickly and respond but our track record for responding isn't great. I tend to agree with Jon Green and Jonathan Schneider when they said (some time ago) that the most important thing is to clearly state the sign-up details for the mailing list, and say where and when we meet. Anything more than that might fit well on a wiki linked from there, although a very simple CMS all we really need. Best regards, Mark. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4072 (20090513) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Wed May 13 22:24:08 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:24:08 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> References: <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090513202408.GA3069@weber> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 07:32:46PM +0100, Mark Roberts wrote: > By way of comment, I am not personally sold on the need to turn the site > into a wiki. I can see that the current site looks old and makes it look > like we're asleep, but why replace it with a vandalisable site? It seems to > work on Wikipedia because lots of people notice defacement quickly and > respond but our track record for responding isn't great. Our track record for responding is poor only because very few people could respond! I really, really think we should try a wiki until the website content becomes stable. From kernel-hacker at bennee.com Thu May 14 12:27:48 2009 From: kernel-hacker at bennee.com (Alex Bennee) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:27:48 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090513202408.GA3069@weber> References: <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <20090513202408.GA3069@weber> Message-ID: 2009/5/13 Tom Ellis : > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 07:32:46PM +0100, Mark Roberts wrote: >> By way of comment, I am not personally sold on the need to turn the site >> into a wiki. I can see that the current site looks old and makes it look >> like we're asleep, but why replace it with a vandalisable site? It seems to >> work on Wikipedia because lots of people notice defacement quickly and >> respond but our track record for responding isn't great. > > Our track record for responding is poor only because very few people could > respond! ?I really, really think we should try a wiki until the website > content becomes stable. You could through up a drupal site in about 30 minutes (assuming you have complete control of the server) and then easily have multiple administrators who can post stories. Wikis are great but have a tendency to become very unstructured if not carefully maintained. I humbly suggest you want something low maintains not something requiring constant vigilance. -- Alex, homepage: http://www.bennee.com/~alex/ CV: http://www.bennee.com/~alex/cv.php From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Thu May 14 15:12:26 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 14:12:26 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <20090513202408.GA3069@weber> Message-ID: <20090514131226.GB4954@weber> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:27:48AM +0100, Alex Bennee wrote: > I humbly suggest you want something low maintains not something > requiring constant vigilance. I entirely agree with the sentiment, but until the site settles into a steady state, using Drupal will mean we lose a whole lot of flexibility. Tom From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Thu May 14 16:19:05 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:19:05 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090514131226.GB4954@weber> References: <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <20090513202408.GA3069@weber> <20090514131226.GB4954@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450905140719p4f3155c7k5d024b5fe9c02b64@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/14 Tom Ellis > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:27:48AM +0100, Alex Bennee wrote: > > I humbly suggest you want something low maintains not something > > requiring constant vigilance. > > I entirely agree with the sentiment, but until the site settles into a > steady state, using Drupal will mean we lose a whole lot of flexibility. Tom, I admire your faith that a wiki would settle into a steady state. I Alex is concerned that faith may be misplaced, however. It's not easy to tell in advance which of you is right, but my own experience using MediaWiki instances suggests that if the site is set up so that privileged users are alerted to edits, and if the ReCaptcha plugin is enabled, and if registration is required for editing, then Tom's faith will prove amply justified. Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I > Alex is concerned that faith may be misplaced, however. We've tried the Content Management System approach and it's failed. Let's try something different. Requiring constant vigilance might well be a way to get people to care about the site. > It's not easy to tell in advance which of you is right, but my own > experience using MediaWiki instances suggests that if the site is set up so > that privileged users are alerted to edits, and if the ReCaptcha plugin is > enabled, and if registration is required for editing, then Tom's faith will > prove amply justified. I (used to) admin a wiki with no registration required, and no captcha. I kept track of Recent Changes via RSS and deleted two or three spams a month. Tom From wawrzek at gmail.com Thu May 14 22:35:31 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:35:31 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090514180711.GA2824@weber> References: <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <20090513202408.GA3069@weber> <20090514131226.GB4954@weber> <4126b3450905140719p4f3155c7k5d024b5fe9c02b64@mail.gmail.com> <20090514180711.GA2824@weber> Message-ID: 2009/5/14 Tom Ellis : > I (used to) admin a wiki with no registration required, and no captcha. ?I > kept track of Recent Changes via RSS and deleted two or three spams a month. > I like idea of registration as it WIKi of group of human being so if you want belongs, please register. But generally I don't care about technology, I want have living website. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Thu May 14 22:05:01 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:05:01 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> References: <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> Mark Roberts wrote: > But > it looks as though the development process changed since I last used it, > cos the staging area for the code doesn't match what is on the live site. Mark Roberts wrote: > I have got SSH access to the server, but putting code changes on > requires some process involving CVS and a custom "publish" script - > which may or may not be working. > I tend to agree with Jon Green and Jonathan Schneider when they said > (some time ago) that the most important thing is to clearly state the > sign-up details for the mailing list Hi Mark The one thing everybody seems to agree on is that the current website is not working. Until we can agree on a long term solution, please can we have a 1 page place-holder that welcomes potential members and points them at the mailing list. > and say where and when we meet. in general, but to look at the mailing list for specifics If you feel a one-page website is embarrassing, then add a 'A new site is in development' message. (personally I don't think that's necessary) If you feel there is enough support for the Wiki then add a link to it now, otherwise leave the link off until whenever. The old site can be moth-balled in case it is later decided to resuscitate it. The discussion about what comes next is prolonging the current site so how about putting that on hold until the current site has gone. Does anyone object to replacing the current site with one-pager as an urgent and temporary measure, to be replaced sooner or later, one way or another? Thanks, Julian From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri May 15 01:36:16 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 00:36:16 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 09:05:01PM +0100, Julian Price wrote: > Does anyone object to replacing the current site with one-pager as an > urgent and temporary measure, to be replaced sooner or later, one way or > another? No, I'm absolutely in agreement with everything you wrote Julian, thanks. Tom From thierry at glossolalie.org Fri May 15 09:18:12 2009 From: thierry at glossolalie.org (Thierry Sayegh De Bellis) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:18:12 +0200 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A0D1734.9040108@glossolalie.org> Julian Price a ?crit : > > Does anyone object to replacing the current site with one-pager as an > urgent and temporary measure, to be replaced sooner or later, one way or > another? > > Thanks, > Julian I totally agree. One static page along the KISS principle. Mailing list and meeting schedule links. Right now this is what the website needs. Whatever happens next is still tbc as I do not think there is consensus Just mothball the old website and put up a single to-the-point page. my 2 p Thierry From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Fri May 15 11:32:46 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:32:46 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/15 Tom Ellis > > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 09:05:01PM +0100, Julian Price wrote: > > Does anyone object to replacing the current site with one-pager as an > > urgent and temporary measure, to be replaced sooner or later, one way or > > another? > > No, I'm absolutely in agreement with everything you wrote Julian, thanks. +1 From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Fri May 15 11:47:13 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:47:13 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> +1 -- Dave Sam Kuper wrote: > 2009/5/15 Tom Ellis > >> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 09:05:01PM +0100, Julian Price wrote: >> >>> Does anyone object to replacing the current site with one-pager as an >>> urgent and temporary measure, to be replaced sooner or later, one way or >>> another? >>> >> No, I'm absolutely in agreement with everything you wrote Julian, thanks. >> > > +1 > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From clug at dziewulski.com Fri May 15 12:40:31 2009 From: clug at dziewulski.com (Jan M. Dziewulski) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:40:31 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <143DB629-4A94-4573-8C13-087952109167@dziewulski.com> I agree as well... -- Janek On 15 May 2009, at 10:47, David Thorne wrote: > +1 > > -- > Dave > Sam Kuper wrote: >> 2009/5/15 Tom Ellis >> >>> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 09:05:01PM +0100, Julian Price wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone object to replacing the current site with one-pager >>>> as an >>>> urgent and temporary measure, to be replaced sooner or later, one >>>> way or >>>> another? >>>> >>> No, I'm absolutely in agreement with everything you wrote Julian, >>> thanks. >>> >> >> +1 >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug at cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri May 15 13:38:23 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:38:23 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <143DB629-4A94-4573-8C13-087952109167@dziewulski.com> References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> <143DB629-4A94-4573-8C13-087952109167@dziewulski.com> Message-ID: +1 -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From ew206 at cam.ac.uk Fri May 15 18:29:18 2009 From: ew206 at cam.ac.uk (ew206 at cam.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:29:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: concrete5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Concrete5 has been suggested as a CMS for a small-ish website, to enable non-technical staff to add and modify content, while being able to capture the existing complexity of the site, which contains multiple logical levels and various types of content. Any thoughts? -- Mr Ellis Weinberger Pager: +44 (0)7659 599 845 ; Mobile: +44 (0)7870 755 792 ew206 at cam.ac.uk ; http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/ew206/ From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Fri May 15 18:43:42 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:43:42 +0100 Subject: concrete5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4126b3450905150943i4033f123n1c66a4eab2e1e880@mail.gmail.com> Dear Ellis, 2009/5/15 > Concrete5 has been suggested as a CMS for a small-ish website, to enable > non-technical staff to add and modify content, while being able to > capture the existing complexity of the site, which contains multiple > logical levels and various types of content. Any thoughts? A good starting place for researching possible CMSs to use for a project is this Wikipedia page . I've not tried Concrete5 myself, but if you do select it, I'm sure I'm not the only person on the CLUG list who would welcome an account of your impressions of it. 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I just checked the page posted by Darren in May 2008 and it works fine: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html The Herts LUG page is similarly simple, but has the benefit of the logo... http://www.herts.lug.org.uk/ ...if you feel inclined to mix and match. I think we'd all be grateful if you could put that online for us. If you're unsure about changing the web server config then I'm sure there'll be someone on this list who can help. Thanks, Julian From wawrzek at gmail.com Sat May 16 14:39:30 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 13:39:30 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4A0E7E05.3030402@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> <4A0E7E05.3030402@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: > > That's the closest thing to a decision by the group. > > I just checked the page posted by Darren in May 2008 and it works fine: > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html > [...] AFAIR there were some concern about quality of English. Could you check it please? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From darrenslists at googlemail.com Sat May 16 17:09:39 2009 From: darrenslists at googlemail.com (Darren) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 16:09:39 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> <4A0E7E05.3030402@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: >> >> I just checked the page posted by Darren in May 2008 and it works >> fine: >> http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html >> > [...] > > AFAIR there were some concern about quality of English. Could you > check it please? > Ahem, I think that was in reference to your attempt :-) http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-August/007006.html I've just taken text from the current site and put it into a no- nonsense HTML format. I think it's a pity this is taking so long, May 2008 the topic came up. In the absence of an individual (or group of individuals) who run CLUG, and make decisions, this isn't going to be solved as all these options are just that until somebody picks one. I'm in favour of changing to a very simple page asap and discussing options later - can someone with access to the webserver put us out of our misery and take charge on this? Darren From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sat May 16 17:28:35 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 16:28:35 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> <4A0E7E05.3030402@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090516152835.GA3998@weber> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 04:09:39PM +0100, Darren wrote: >>> I just checked the page posted by Darren in May 2008 and it works fine: >>> http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html >>> >> [...] >> >> AFAIR there were some concern about quality of English. Could you >> check it please? >> > > Ahem, I think that was in reference to your attempt :-) > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-August/007006.html > > I've just taken text from the current site and put it into a no-nonsense > HTML format. > > I think it's a pity this is taking so long, May 2008 the topic came up. In > the absence of an individual (or group of individuals) who run CLUG, and > make decisions, this isn't going to be solved as all these options are just > that until somebody picks one. I'm in favour of changing to a very simple > page asap and discussing options later - can someone with access to the > webserver put us out of our misery and take charge on this? Yes, please please please just link to the wiki. Then everyone who's interested can (separately) have a go at making what they would like to see in the CLUG website. http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/ Tom From gavin.evans at procamintegrated.com Sat May 16 20:39:43 2009 From: gavin.evans at procamintegrated.com (gavin.evans at procamintegrated.com) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 19:39:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: Newbee help! Message-ID: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> Dear clug, I have just signed up to the mail list. I am a newbee to Linux but I am very interested to embrace it and use it in a newly formed company I am working for. I was wondering if there is anyone out there that could give me some help and advice on setting up a server preferably with Fidora. I am looking to setup backup for the Office, external access to the server and help with a database. Thanks Gavin. From kernel-hacker at bennee.com Sun May 17 22:35:33 2009 From: kernel-hacker at bennee.com (Alex Bennee) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 21:35:33 +0100 Subject: Newbee help! In-Reply-To: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> References: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> Message-ID: 2009/5/16 : > Dear clug, > > I have just signed up to the mail list. > > I am a newbee to Linux but I am very interested to embrace it and use it > in a newly formed company I am working for. > > I was wondering if there is anyone out there that could give me some help > and advice on setting up a server preferably with Fidora. For a server (certainly a stable one for your business) I wouldn't go with Fedora. You may want to consider CentOS (~Red Hat Enterprise) or Debian. > I am looking to setup backup for the Office, Something as simple as a daily cron rsync to an off-site location will probably do you. Depends on how much data your going to be dealing with. >external access to the server ssh unless there is something especially fancy you need? > and help with a database. Depends on what you want to do with it. > > Thanks > > Gavin. > > > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Alex, homepage: http://www.bennee.com/~alex/ CV: http://www.bennee.com/~alex/cv.php From wawrzek at gmail.com Mon May 18 00:54:01 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 23:54:01 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> <4A0E7E05.3030402@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: 2009/5/16 Darren : > >>> >>> I just checked the page posted by Darren in May 2008 and it works fine: >>> http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html >>> >> [...] >> >> AFAIR there were some concern about quality of English. Could you >> check it please? >> > > Ahem, I think that was in reference to your attempt :-) > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-August/007006.html > > I've just taken text from the current site and put it into a no-nonsense > HTML format. > Yes your right it was about my version, but AFAIR I took your version (which means current version) and enrich the HTML tags, but I might be wrong (maybe a added/changed some content and misspell it ;) Anyway it's not important now. We need the static webpage with link to wiki. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Mon May 18 01:27:24 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 00:27:24 +0100 Subject: Newbee help! In-Reply-To: References: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> Message-ID: 2009/5/17 Alex Bennee : > 2009/5/16 ?: >> Dear clug, [...] > For a server (certainly a stable one for your business) I wouldn't > go with Fedora. You may want to consider CentOS (~Red Hat > Enterprise) or Debian. > I would also add Ubuntu LTS edition and maybe OpenSuse, especially if you need interoperability with Windows. >> I am looking to setup backup for the Office, > Beside rsync, maybe clonezilla. > >>external access to the server > >> and help with a database. MySQL is the most common choice, but DBA often suggest other ones i.e. PostgreSQL. Have a nice time with Linux. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Mon May 18 01:54:22 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 00:54:22 +0100 Subject: Newbee help! In-Reply-To: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> References: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450905171654r5e27b091o429ab2357d5fb50a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/16 > I have just signed up to the mail list. Welcome! > I am a newbee to Linux but I am very interested to embrace it and use it > in a newly formed company I am working for. Excellent; very good to hear! > I was wondering if there is anyone out there that could give me some help > and advice on setting up a server preferably with Fidora. > > I am looking to setup backup for the Office, external access to the server > and help with a database. It would probably be helpful if you could suggest how much help you need, and what your level of experience is with other operating systems' server, backup and database offerings. That way, we'll have some idea which level we ought to pitch our advice at. As you've probably already gathered, you ought to begin by selecting a Linux distro to use. Broadly speaking, these fall into three families: Debian-based, Red Hat-based, and others. The primary difference is in the packaging system used. (A packaging system is a system for distributing programs - or software "packages" - to users, largely to save users the trouble of having to compile the programs themselves.) Debian-based distros (including Debian and Ubuntu) use a packaging system called apt; Red Hat-based distros use a packaging system called RPM; and then, there are various somewhat specialist distros that either don't use a packaging system at all, or else use a less common one than apt or RPM. My own preference is for Debian-derived distros, not least because I find apt quite easy to work with. Another important factor to consider when picking a distro is how stable it is. Some distros (e.g. Fedora; Ubuntu) aim to provide the latest packages asap, sometimes even if they're still a bit buggy. This is a bit like Windows software: it needs updating frequently, and the updates typically aren't just bug-fixes: they add or change the functionality of the software (think of Internet Explorer as a good example of this kind of thing, in the Windows context). Other distros (e.g. Debian; RHEL; CentOS) emphasise stability: software updates typically only address bugs; they don't otherwise change the functionality of the software. This is important, as otherwise any other piece of software that relies on the piece of software being updated could stop working if the piece being updated has its functionality altered. People quite often favour stability-oriented distros for servers, and other distros for desktops. This is because stability is more critical for servers, whereas having the latest features is sometimes more important for people using desktop workstations. Another important factor is support: do you want the security (and expense) of a support contract? If so, some distros offer this as standard, e.g. Ubuntu and Red Hat. For other distros, your support contract would have to be arranged separately, e.g. with an IT consultancy, or by hiring a sysadmin. Finally, you need to check that any distro under consideration does support the packages you want to use. With most mainstream distros, this shouldn't be a problem if all you need is backup software, remote logins, and a relational database. Hopefully this has been of some help. Now, I'd suggest searching the Web (and perhaps the computer bookshelves of the local bookshops) for answers to any more specific questions you might have. If you get stuck, either send another email to the CLUG list or to the mailing list for the piece of software that's puzzling you, and all being well, you'll get an answer pretty quickly :) Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090518/11102ee6/attachment.htm From wawrzek at gmail.com Mon May 18 02:42:57 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 01:42:57 +0100 Subject: Newbee help! In-Reply-To: <4126b3450905171654r5e27b091o429ab2357d5fb50a@mail.gmail.com> References: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> <4126b3450905171654r5e27b091o429ab2357d5fb50a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/5/18 Sam Kuper : [...] > It would probably be helpful if you could suggest how much help you need, > and what your level of experience is with other operating systems' server, > backup and database offerings. That way, we'll have some idea which level we > ought to pitch our advice at. [...] > Sam Great text. I think it might find place on CamLUG website. -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From clug at dziewulski.com Mon May 18 05:59:30 2009 From: clug at dziewulski.com (Jan M. Dziewulski) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 04:59:30 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Mailing list status References: <997DA949-CB94-48AC-B057-226FD3D469DC@dziewulski.com> Message-ID: <9B0AD258-9C70-40D9-865E-D62255904477@dziewulski.com> Hi all, I suppose it would just be my end but just to check, is anyone else getting duplicates of any mails sent to the list? Thanks, -- Janek From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Mon May 18 09:15:42 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:15:42 +0100 Subject: Newbee help! In-Reply-To: <4126b3450905171654r5e27b091o429ab2357d5fb50a@mail.gmail.com> References: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> <4126b3450905171654r5e27b091o429ab2357d5fb50a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A110B1E.6000302@the-thornes.co.uk> Gavin, Sam's advice is excellent and well worth taking heed of. If you are unsure of which distro to look at for your server, could you set up a few virtual machines short term to have a play with. You can then look at Debian/CentOS/Ubuntu LTS (Long Term Service - means patches and security updates are updated for 5 years in the case of servers) and choose based off your own experience. There are many howtos on the internet to help and of course we will always try to help you on here. Dave Sam Kuper wrote: > 2009/5/16 > > > I have just signed up to the mail list. > > > Welcome! > > > I am a newbee to Linux but I am very interested to embrace it and > use it > in a newly formed company I am working for. > > > Excellent; very good to hear! > > > I was wondering if there is anyone out there that could give me > some help > and advice on setting up a server preferably with Fidora. > > I am looking to setup backup for the Office, external access to > the server > and help with a database. > > > It would probably be helpful if you could suggest how much help you > need, and what your level of experience is with other operating > systems' server, backup and database offerings. That way, we'll have > some idea which level we ought to pitch our advice at. > > As you've probably already gathered, you ought to begin by selecting a > Linux distro to use. Broadly speaking, these fall into three families: > Debian-based, Red Hat-based, and others. The primary difference is in > the packaging system used. (A packaging system is a system for > distributing programs - or software "packages" - to users, largely to > save users the trouble of having to compile the programs themselves.) > > Debian-based distros (including Debian and Ubuntu) use a packaging > system called apt; Red Hat-based distros use a packaging system called > RPM; and then, there are various somewhat specialist distros that > either don't use a packaging system at all, or else use a less common > one than apt or RPM. My own preference is for Debian-derived distros, > not least because I find apt quite easy to work with. > > Another important factor to consider when picking a distro is how > stable it is. Some distros (e.g. Fedora; Ubuntu) aim to provide the > latest packages asap, sometimes even if they're still a bit buggy. > This is a bit like Windows software: it needs updating frequently, and > the updates typically aren't just bug-fixes: they add or change the > functionality of the software (think of Internet Explorer as a good > example of this kind of thing, in the Windows context). Other distros > (e.g. Debian; RHEL; CentOS) emphasise stability: software updates > typically only address bugs; they don't otherwise change the > functionality of the software. This is important, as otherwise any > other piece of software that relies on the piece of software being > updated could stop working if the piece being updated has its > functionality altered. > > People quite often favour stability-oriented distros for servers, and > other distros for desktops. This is because stability is more critical > for servers, whereas having the latest features is sometimes more > important for people using desktop workstations. > > Another important factor is support: do you want the security (and > expense) of a support contract? If so, some distros offer this as > standard, e.g. Ubuntu and Red Hat. For other distros, your support > contract would have to be arranged separately, e.g. with an IT > consultancy, or by hiring a sysadmin. > > Finally, you need to check that any distro under consideration does > support the packages you want to use. With most mainstream distros, > this shouldn't be a problem if all you need is backup software, remote > logins, and a relational database. > > Hopefully this has been of some help. Now, I'd suggest searching the > Web (and perhaps the computer bookshelves of the local bookshops) for > answers to any more specific questions you might have. If you get > stuck, either send another email to the CLUG list or to the mailing > list for the piece of software that's puzzling you, and all being > well, you'll get an answer pretty quickly :) > > Sam > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From David.Thorne at golleyslater.co.uk Fri May 22 18:07:16 2009 From: David.Thorne at golleyslater.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 17:07:16 +0100 Subject: Systems Administration opportunity - Cambridge Message-ID: <4A16DBC3.4263.00D8.0@golleyslater.co.uk> Good afternoon, Apologies for the repost, but I figured it was worth readvertising this role once more, just in case anyone missed it the first time around. I am writing to advertise a vacancy we have for a Systems Administrator/Technical Manager at Golley Slater Digital in Histon, Cambridge. 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From iain at imcfarla.homelinux.net Fri May 29 11:59:20 2009 From: iain at imcfarla.homelinux.net (Iain McFarlane) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:59:20 +0100 Subject: sed/regex help Message-ID: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> Can I pick your brains... I have a file of md5sum + filename i.e. b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/1.txt b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/2.txt 804cd1ebf98ea66f4b55b059a3481581 ./x/3.txt I want to be able to change the md5sum so that each line is unique by adding the count of how many lines there are with that md5sum to the beginning of the md5sum. 1b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/1.txt 2b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/2.txt 1804cd1ebf98ea66f4b55b059a3481581 ./x/3.txt I have got so far but become stuck as the substitute only works on the first 32 chars and not the second line loaded in. sed -e '$\!N; s/^\(.\{32\} \)\(.*$\)/\1\2/' Also there may be more lines with the same md5sum. Regards, Iain ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Fri May 29 12:06:36 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:06:36 +0100 Subject: sed/regex help In-Reply-To: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> References: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <80C4F1CB-E43C-4371-B3D4-2D289C6F983B@bbsrc.ac.uk> On 29 May 2009, at 10:59, Iain McFarlane wrote: > Can I pick your brains... > > I have a file of md5sum + filename i.e. > b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/1.txt > b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/2.txt > 804cd1ebf98ea66f4b55b059a3481581 ./x/3.txt > > I want to be able to change the md5sum so that each line is unique > by adding the count of how many lines there are with that md5sum to > the beginning of the md5sum. > 1b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/1.txt > 2b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/2.txt > 1804cd1ebf98ea66f4b55b059a3481581 ./x/3.txt You'll have to construct something with a data structure which can remember and count which md5s you've seen before. I've not tested it but this perl script should do it (pass a filename as an argument or pipe in data from STDIN). TTFN Simon. #!/usr/bin/perl use warnings; use strict; my %md5; while (<>) { my ($md5) = split(/\s+/); ++$md5{$md5}; print $md5{$md5},$_; } From tehpeh at gmx.net Fri May 29 12:11:57 2009 From: tehpeh at gmx.net (Thomas Pircher) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:11:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: sed/regex help In-Reply-To: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> References: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <0be77755adee0ae120b91c9bdd89c23f.squirrel@www.tty1.net> Iain McFarlane wrote: > Also there may be more lines with the same md5sum. Are the lines with the same md5sum guaranteed to be consecutive? If not you will have a very hard time to implement it in sed. The problem is very easy to solve with awk, for example: --- { if (a[$1]) { a[$1]++ } else { a[$1] = 1 } print a[$1]$0 } --- Or is it more a sporting challenge to use sed? HTH Thomas From iain at imcfarla.homelinux.net Fri May 29 12:52:24 2009 From: iain at imcfarla.homelinux.net (Iain McFarlane) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:52:24 +0100 Subject: sed/regex help In-Reply-To: <0be77755adee0ae120b91c9bdd89c23f.squirrel@www.tty1.net> References: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> <0be77755adee0ae120b91c9bdd89c23f.squirrel@www.tty1.net> Message-ID: <20090529115224.19866zm8tx7q6pwk@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> Quoting Thomas Pircher : > Iain McFarlane wrote: >> Also there may be more lines with the same md5sum. > > Are the lines with the same md5sum guaranteed to be consecutive? If not > you will have a very hard time to implement it in sed. > > The problem is very easy to solve with awk, for example: > --- > { > if (a[$1]) { > a[$1]++ > } else { > a[$1] = 1 > } > print a[$1]$0 > } > --- > > Or is it more a sporting challenge to use sed? Awk is fine and working well - thanks very much! > > HTH > Thomas > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From tehpeh at gmx.net Fri May 29 13:03:31 2009 From: tehpeh at gmx.net (Thomas Pircher) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:03:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: sed/regex help In-Reply-To: <20090529115224.19866zm8tx7q6pwk@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> References: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> <0be77755adee0ae120b91c9bdd89c23f.squirrel@www.tty1.net> <20090529115224.19866zm8tx7q6pwk@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <1ad2add725008861b5400e97e73f67fd.squirrel@www.tty1.net> Iain McFarlane wrote: > Awk is fine and working well - thanks very much! Inspired by Simon's example: you can reduce the script also to: --- { a[$1]++ print a[$1]$0 } --- Thomas From dom at latter.org Thu May 7 16:54:47 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:54:47 +0200 Subject: Wifi woes. In-Reply-To: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> References: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <200905071654.47893.dom@latter.org> On Wednesday 18 February 2009 13:26:28 Dom Latter wrote: > I have an elderly laptop for websurfing and listening to the radio. > It was on Ubuntu 7.10 but I think since 8.04 the wifi has been broken. > Upgraded to 8.10, still broken; tried out the latest Fedora, ditto. > > Seems that it's a kernel issue, ever since 2.6.17-11: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=358004&page=6 > > I'm getting mighty fed up of trying out the module blacklisting options > that some people have had success with. My diagnosis was wrong. Normally my other laptop is plugged into a docking station and never uses the wifi - but for whatever reason I wanted to use wifi on the other one and found that it didn't work either. With more general prodding I found that it was able to authenticate (I think) but not associate, where as it was able to associate with other neighbouring wifi access points from time to time (with the wind in the right direction etc). So it began to look more and more like the router, despite my Wifi Voipfone working as well as it's ever done. (Both laptops use the Intersil / Prism chipset, so it may be some weird interaction between that chipset and the router). One hard reset of the adsl modem / router / wifi AP later, and it's all fine. (So far). From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun May 10 23:30:30 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:30:30 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> Message-ID: 2009/4/24 Tom Ellis : > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 04:05:48PM +0100, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: >> Anybody interested in updates to new Wiki? > > What's there at the moment looks good. > > What we need most of all is to get a link to this (or even redirect to it) > from cambridge-lug.org. > Hello, I would like to remind about the issue. We need new website. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sun May 10 23:43:40 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:43:40 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> Message-ID: <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:30:30PM +0100, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > 2009/4/24 Tom Ellis : > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 04:05:48PM +0100, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > >> Anybody interested in updates to new Wiki? > > > > What's there at the moment looks good. > > > > What we need most of all is to get a link to this (or even redirect to it) > > from cambridge-lug.org. > > > > I would like to remind about the issue. We need new website. Yes you are right. Here is a very simple n-step plan to achieving this goal: 1. Find someone who can change the content on http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ 2. Remove *everything* on cam-lug.org.uk *except* a link to http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/ 3. Edit the wiki to our hearts' content (4. Transition the wiki over to cam-lug.org.uk if necessary) Tom From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun May 10 23:50:40 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:50:40 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> References: <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> Message-ID: Hi, [...] > Here is a very simple n-step plan to achieving this goal: > > 1. Find someone who can change the content on http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ [...] Hmmmm, I guess that is a ''tiny' problem ;) Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Sun May 10 23:58:28 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:58:28 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> References: <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> Message-ID: <4A074E04.1010903@mansfield.co.uk> Tom Ellis wrote: > 1. Find someone who can change the content on http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ > 2. Remove *everything* on cam-lug.org.uk *except* a link to http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/ > 3. Edit the wiki to our hearts' content > (4. Transition the wiki over to cam-lug.org.uk if necessary) maybe just FRAME the alternative site so that at least it stays on the clug own domain. From wawrzek at gmail.com Mon May 11 00:25:11 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:25:11 +0100 Subject: Jabber server in UK Message-ID: Hi, Do you use jabber? Can you suggested particular any server? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From magnus at therning.org Mon May 11 09:44:51 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 08:44:51 +0100 Subject: Jabber server in UK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/5/10 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : > Hi, > > Do you use jabber? Can you suggested particular any server? Yes I do, and have for a few years now. I've been using Google's server ever since it got federated. Two reasons for it: 1. I can use my main email address, as I use Google Apps for my domain, and 2. they run their server on port 80 so I can use pidgin from work :-) /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Mon May 11 12:12:32 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:12:32 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/10 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski > [...] > > Here is a very simple n-step plan to achieving this goal: > > > > 1. Find someone who can change the content on http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ > [...] > > Hmmmm, I guess that is a ''tiny' problem ;) Mark Roberts? http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2009-February/007450.html Or have I missed something? Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090511/6c70bf96/attachment-0002.htm From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Mon May 11 23:44:02 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 22:44:02 +0100 Subject: Jabber server in UK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A089C22.20301@mansfield.co.uk> Magnus Therning wrote: > 2009/5/10 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : >> Hi, >> >> Do you use jabber? Can you suggested particular any server? > > Yes I do, and have for a few years now. I've been using Google's > server ever since it got federated. Two reasons for it: > > 1. I can use my main email address, as I use Google Apps for my domain, and > 2. they run their server on port 80 so I can use pidgin from work :-) I thought google required TLS on their (jabber) XMPP server? Or do you mean you can use the webmail interface to also access chat? One nice thing about using google hosted mail is that those email addresses can also work with google's chat. Also, gtalk archive chats along with email. Very handy if someone sent you a link and you forgot it! From magnus at therning.org Tue May 12 07:20:15 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 06:20:15 +0100 Subject: Jabber server in UK In-Reply-To: <4A089C22.20301@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4A089C22.20301@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A09070F.2040600@therning.org> Paul M wrote: > Magnus Therning wrote: >> 2009/5/10 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : >>> Hi, >>> >>> Do you use jabber? Can you suggested particular any server? >> Yes I do, and have for a few years now. I've been using Google's >> server ever since it got federated. Two reasons for it: >> >> 1. I can use my main email address, as I use Google Apps for my domain, and >> 2. they run their server on port 80 so I can use pidgin from work :-) > > I thought google required TLS on their (jabber) XMPP server? Or do you > mean you can use the webmail interface to also access chat? I use pidgin. You can either leave both "Require SSL/TLS" and "Force old (port 5223) SSL" unchecked, with a port of 80. I've also tried ticking "Force old SSL" with a port of 443. Both works. > One nice thing about using google hosted mail is that those email > addresses can also work with google's chat. Not too surprising since google's chat _is_ Jabber :-) > Also, gtalk archive chats along with email. Very handy if someone sent > you a link and you forgot it! Yes, that can be handy, though I've turned it off myself. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090512/53ff185e/attachment-0001.pgp From zen13321 at zen.co.uk Wed May 13 20:32:46 2009 From: zen13321 at zen.co.uk (Mark Roberts) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 19:32:46 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> > > 1. Find someone who can change the content on > http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ > [...] > > Hmmmm, I guess that is a ''tiny' problem ;) > > > Mark > Roberts? http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2009-February/007450.html > > Or have I missed something? I have got SSH access to the server, but putting code changes on requires some process involving CVS and a custom "publish" script - which may or may not be working. I'll have a dig and see if I can work it out. If not, I'll try to contact the last person to touch it (Joseph Birr-Pixton). By way of comment, I am not personally sold on the need to turn the site into a wiki. I can see that the current site looks old and makes it look like we're asleep, but why replace it with a vandalisable site? It seems to work on Wikipedia because lots of people notice defacement quickly and respond but our track record for responding isn't great. I tend to agree with Jon Green and Jonathan Schneider when they said (some time ago) that the most important thing is to clearly state the sign-up details for the mailing list, and say where and when we meet. Anything more than that might fit well on a wiki linked from there, although a very simple CMS all we really need. Best regards, Mark. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4072 (20090513) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Wed May 13 22:24:08 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:24:08 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> References: <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090513202408.GA3069@weber> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 07:32:46PM +0100, Mark Roberts wrote: > By way of comment, I am not personally sold on the need to turn the site > into a wiki. I can see that the current site looks old and makes it look > like we're asleep, but why replace it with a vandalisable site? It seems to > work on Wikipedia because lots of people notice defacement quickly and > respond but our track record for responding isn't great. Our track record for responding is poor only because very few people could respond! I really, really think we should try a wiki until the website content becomes stable. From kernel-hacker at bennee.com Thu May 14 12:27:48 2009 From: kernel-hacker at bennee.com (Alex Bennee) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:27:48 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090513202408.GA3069@weber> References: <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <20090513202408.GA3069@weber> Message-ID: 2009/5/13 Tom Ellis : > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 07:32:46PM +0100, Mark Roberts wrote: >> By way of comment, I am not personally sold on the need to turn the site >> into a wiki. I can see that the current site looks old and makes it look >> like we're asleep, but why replace it with a vandalisable site? It seems to >> work on Wikipedia because lots of people notice defacement quickly and >> respond but our track record for responding isn't great. > > Our track record for responding is poor only because very few people could > respond! ?I really, really think we should try a wiki until the website > content becomes stable. You could through up a drupal site in about 30 minutes (assuming you have complete control of the server) and then easily have multiple administrators who can post stories. Wikis are great but have a tendency to become very unstructured if not carefully maintained. I humbly suggest you want something low maintains not something requiring constant vigilance. -- Alex, homepage: http://www.bennee.com/~alex/ CV: http://www.bennee.com/~alex/cv.php From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Thu May 14 15:12:26 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 14:12:26 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <20090513202408.GA3069@weber> Message-ID: <20090514131226.GB4954@weber> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:27:48AM +0100, Alex Bennee wrote: > I humbly suggest you want something low maintains not something > requiring constant vigilance. I entirely agree with the sentiment, but until the site settles into a steady state, using Drupal will mean we lose a whole lot of flexibility. Tom From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Thu May 14 16:19:05 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:19:05 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090514131226.GB4954@weber> References: <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <20090513202408.GA3069@weber> <20090514131226.GB4954@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450905140719p4f3155c7k5d024b5fe9c02b64@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/14 Tom Ellis > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:27:48AM +0100, Alex Bennee wrote: > > I humbly suggest you want something low maintains not something > > requiring constant vigilance. > > I entirely agree with the sentiment, but until the site settles into a > steady state, using Drupal will mean we lose a whole lot of flexibility. Tom, I admire your faith that a wiki would settle into a steady state. I Alex is concerned that faith may be misplaced, however. It's not easy to tell in advance which of you is right, but my own experience using MediaWiki instances suggests that if the site is set up so that privileged users are alerted to edits, and if the ReCaptcha plugin is enabled, and if registration is required for editing, then Tom's faith will prove amply justified. Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090514/2233a9f4/attachment-0003.htm From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Thu May 14 20:07:11 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:07:11 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4126b3450905140719p4f3155c7k5d024b5fe9c02b64@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <20090513202408.GA3069@weber> <20090514131226.GB4954@weber> <4126b3450905140719p4f3155c7k5d024b5fe9c02b64@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090514180711.GA2824@weber> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 03:19:05PM +0100, Sam Kuper wrote: > 2009/5/14 Tom Ellis > > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:27:48AM +0100, Alex Bennee wrote: > > > I humbly suggest you want something low maintains not something > > > requiring constant vigilance. > > > > I entirely agree with the sentiment, but until the site settles into a > > steady state, using Drupal will mean we lose a whole lot of flexibility. > > Tom, I admire your faith that a wiki would settle into a steady state. I > Alex is concerned that faith may be misplaced, however. We've tried the Content Management System approach and it's failed. Let's try something different. Requiring constant vigilance might well be a way to get people to care about the site. > It's not easy to tell in advance which of you is right, but my own > experience using MediaWiki instances suggests that if the site is set up so > that privileged users are alerted to edits, and if the ReCaptcha plugin is > enabled, and if registration is required for editing, then Tom's faith will > prove amply justified. I (used to) admin a wiki with no registration required, and no captcha. I kept track of Recent Changes via RSS and deleted two or three spams a month. Tom From wawrzek at gmail.com Thu May 14 22:35:31 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:35:31 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090514180711.GA2824@weber> References: <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <20090513202408.GA3069@weber> <20090514131226.GB4954@weber> <4126b3450905140719p4f3155c7k5d024b5fe9c02b64@mail.gmail.com> <20090514180711.GA2824@weber> Message-ID: 2009/5/14 Tom Ellis : > I (used to) admin a wiki with no registration required, and no captcha. ?I > kept track of Recent Changes via RSS and deleted two or three spams a month. > I like idea of registration as it WIKi of group of human being so if you want belongs, please register. But generally I don't care about technology, I want have living website. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Thu May 14 22:05:01 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:05:01 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> References: <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> Mark Roberts wrote: > But > it looks as though the development process changed since I last used it, > cos the staging area for the code doesn't match what is on the live site. Mark Roberts wrote: > I have got SSH access to the server, but putting code changes on > requires some process involving CVS and a custom "publish" script - > which may or may not be working. > I tend to agree with Jon Green and Jonathan Schneider when they said > (some time ago) that the most important thing is to clearly state the > sign-up details for the mailing list Hi Mark The one thing everybody seems to agree on is that the current website is not working. Until we can agree on a long term solution, please can we have a 1 page place-holder that welcomes potential members and points them at the mailing list. > and say where and when we meet. in general, but to look at the mailing list for specifics If you feel a one-page website is embarrassing, then add a 'A new site is in development' message. (personally I don't think that's necessary) If you feel there is enough support for the Wiki then add a link to it now, otherwise leave the link off until whenever. The old site can be moth-balled in case it is later decided to resuscitate it. The discussion about what comes next is prolonging the current site so how about putting that on hold until the current site has gone. Does anyone object to replacing the current site with one-pager as an urgent and temporary measure, to be replaced sooner or later, one way or another? Thanks, Julian From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri May 15 01:36:16 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 00:36:16 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 09:05:01PM +0100, Julian Price wrote: > Does anyone object to replacing the current site with one-pager as an > urgent and temporary measure, to be replaced sooner or later, one way or > another? No, I'm absolutely in agreement with everything you wrote Julian, thanks. Tom From thierry at glossolalie.org Fri May 15 09:18:12 2009 From: thierry at glossolalie.org (Thierry Sayegh De Bellis) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:18:12 +0200 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A0D1734.9040108@glossolalie.org> Julian Price a ?crit : > > Does anyone object to replacing the current site with one-pager as an > urgent and temporary measure, to be replaced sooner or later, one way or > another? > > Thanks, > Julian I totally agree. One static page along the KISS principle. Mailing list and meeting schedule links. Right now this is what the website needs. Whatever happens next is still tbc as I do not think there is consensus Just mothball the old website and put up a single to-the-point page. my 2 p Thierry From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Fri May 15 11:32:46 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:32:46 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/15 Tom Ellis > > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 09:05:01PM +0100, Julian Price wrote: > > Does anyone object to replacing the current site with one-pager as an > > urgent and temporary measure, to be replaced sooner or later, one way or > > another? > > No, I'm absolutely in agreement with everything you wrote Julian, thanks. +1 From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Fri May 15 11:47:13 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:47:13 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> +1 -- Dave Sam Kuper wrote: > 2009/5/15 Tom Ellis > >> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 09:05:01PM +0100, Julian Price wrote: >> >>> Does anyone object to replacing the current site with one-pager as an >>> urgent and temporary measure, to be replaced sooner or later, one way or >>> another? >>> >> No, I'm absolutely in agreement with everything you wrote Julian, thanks. >> > > +1 > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From clug at dziewulski.com Fri May 15 12:40:31 2009 From: clug at dziewulski.com (Jan M. Dziewulski) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:40:31 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <143DB629-4A94-4573-8C13-087952109167@dziewulski.com> I agree as well... -- Janek On 15 May 2009, at 10:47, David Thorne wrote: > +1 > > -- > Dave > Sam Kuper wrote: >> 2009/5/15 Tom Ellis >> >>> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 09:05:01PM +0100, Julian Price wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone object to replacing the current site with one-pager >>>> as an >>>> urgent and temporary measure, to be replaced sooner or later, one >>>> way or >>>> another? >>>> >>> No, I'm absolutely in agreement with everything you wrote Julian, >>> thanks. >>> >> >> +1 >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug at cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri May 15 13:38:23 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:38:23 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <143DB629-4A94-4573-8C13-087952109167@dziewulski.com> References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> <143DB629-4A94-4573-8C13-087952109167@dziewulski.com> Message-ID: +1 -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From ew206 at cam.ac.uk Fri May 15 18:29:18 2009 From: ew206 at cam.ac.uk (ew206 at cam.ac.uk) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:29:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: concrete5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Concrete5 has been suggested as a CMS for a small-ish website, to enable non-technical staff to add and modify content, while being able to capture the existing complexity of the site, which contains multiple logical levels and various types of content. Any thoughts? -- Mr Ellis Weinberger Pager: +44 (0)7659 599 845 ; Mobile: +44 (0)7870 755 792 ew206 at cam.ac.uk ; http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/ew206/ From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Fri May 15 18:43:42 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:43:42 +0100 Subject: concrete5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4126b3450905150943i4033f123n1c66a4eab2e1e880@mail.gmail.com> Dear Ellis, 2009/5/15 > Concrete5 has been suggested as a CMS for a small-ish website, to enable > non-technical staff to add and modify content, while being able to > capture the existing complexity of the site, which contains multiple > logical levels and various types of content. Any thoughts? A good starting place for researching possible CMSs to use for a project is this Wikipedia page . I've not tried Concrete5 myself, but if you do select it, I'm sure I'm not the only person on the CLUG list who would welcome an account of your impressions of it. 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URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090515/ef4e0c78/attachment-0002.htm From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Sat May 16 10:49:09 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 09:49:09 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A0E7E05.3030402@jul17pri.co.uk> > +1 > > -- > Dave > Sam Kuper wrote: >> 2009/5/15 Tom Ellis >> >>> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 09:05:01PM +0100, Julian Price wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone object to replacing the current site with one-pager as an >>>> urgent and temporary measure, to be replaced sooner or later, one >>>> way or >>>> another? >>>> >>> No, I'm absolutely in agreement with everything you wrote Julian, >>> thanks. >>> >> >> +1 Hi Mark That's the closest thing to a decision by the group. I just checked the page posted by Darren in May 2008 and it works fine: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html The Herts LUG page is similarly simple, but has the benefit of the logo... http://www.herts.lug.org.uk/ ...if you feel inclined to mix and match. I think we'd all be grateful if you could put that online for us. If you're unsure about changing the web server config then I'm sure there'll be someone on this list who can help. Thanks, Julian From wawrzek at gmail.com Sat May 16 14:39:30 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 13:39:30 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <4A0E7E05.3030402@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> <4A0E7E05.3030402@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: > > That's the closest thing to a decision by the group. > > I just checked the page posted by Darren in May 2008 and it works fine: > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html > [...] AFAIR there were some concern about quality of English. Could you check it please? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From darrenslists at googlemail.com Sat May 16 17:09:39 2009 From: darrenslists at googlemail.com (Darren) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 16:09:39 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <20090510214340.GA12744@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> <4A0E7E05.3030402@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: >> >> I just checked the page posted by Darren in May 2008 and it works >> fine: >> http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html >> > [...] > > AFAIR there were some concern about quality of English. Could you > check it please? > Ahem, I think that was in reference to your attempt :-) http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-August/007006.html I've just taken text from the current site and put it into a no- nonsense HTML format. I think it's a pity this is taking so long, May 2008 the topic came up. In the absence of an individual (or group of individuals) who run CLUG, and make decisions, this isn't going to be solved as all these options are just that until somebody picks one. I'm in favour of changing to a very simple page asap and discussing options later - can someone with access to the webserver put us out of our misery and take charge on this? Darren From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sat May 16 17:28:35 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 16:28:35 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> <4A0E7E05.3030402@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090516152835.GA3998@weber> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 04:09:39PM +0100, Darren wrote: >>> I just checked the page posted by Darren in May 2008 and it works fine: >>> http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html >>> >> [...] >> >> AFAIR there were some concern about quality of English. Could you >> check it please? >> > > Ahem, I think that was in reference to your attempt :-) > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-August/007006.html > > I've just taken text from the current site and put it into a no-nonsense > HTML format. > > I think it's a pity this is taking so long, May 2008 the topic came up. In > the absence of an individual (or group of individuals) who run CLUG, and > make decisions, this isn't going to be solved as all these options are just > that until somebody picks one. I'm in favour of changing to a very simple > page asap and discussing options later - can someone with access to the > webserver put us out of our misery and take charge on this? Yes, please please please just link to the wiki. Then everyone who's interested can (separately) have a go at making what they would like to see in the CLUG website. http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/ Tom From gavin.evans at procamintegrated.com Sat May 16 20:39:43 2009 From: gavin.evans at procamintegrated.com (gavin.evans at procamintegrated.com) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 19:39:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: Newbee help! Message-ID: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> Dear clug, I have just signed up to the mail list. I am a newbee to Linux but I am very interested to embrace it and use it in a newly formed company I am working for. I was wondering if there is anyone out there that could give me some help and advice on setting up a server preferably with Fidora. I am looking to setup backup for the Office, external access to the server and help with a database. Thanks Gavin. From kernel-hacker at bennee.com Sun May 17 22:35:33 2009 From: kernel-hacker at bennee.com (Alex Bennee) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 21:35:33 +0100 Subject: Newbee help! In-Reply-To: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> References: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> Message-ID: 2009/5/16 : > Dear clug, > > I have just signed up to the mail list. > > I am a newbee to Linux but I am very interested to embrace it and use it > in a newly formed company I am working for. > > I was wondering if there is anyone out there that could give me some help > and advice on setting up a server preferably with Fidora. For a server (certainly a stable one for your business) I wouldn't go with Fedora. You may want to consider CentOS (~Red Hat Enterprise) or Debian. > I am looking to setup backup for the Office, Something as simple as a daily cron rsync to an off-site location will probably do you. Depends on how much data your going to be dealing with. >external access to the server ssh unless there is something especially fancy you need? > and help with a database. Depends on what you want to do with it. > > Thanks > > Gavin. > > > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Alex, homepage: http://www.bennee.com/~alex/ CV: http://www.bennee.com/~alex/cv.php From wawrzek at gmail.com Mon May 18 00:54:01 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 23:54:01 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <4126b3450905110312w7fa04032l64b18c371e45e21@mail.gmail.com> <4A0B124E.6060708@zen.co.uk> <4A0C796D.4070805@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090514233616.GA6551@weber> <4126b3450905150232w7f69b14ck590b48890ab0640a@mail.gmail.com> <4A0D3A21.3040802@the-thornes.co.uk> <4A0E7E05.3030402@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: 2009/5/16 Darren : > >>> >>> I just checked the page posted by Darren in May 2008 and it works fine: >>> http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html >>> >> [...] >> >> AFAIR there were some concern about quality of English. Could you >> check it please? >> > > Ahem, I think that was in reference to your attempt :-) > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-August/007006.html > > I've just taken text from the current site and put it into a no-nonsense > HTML format. > Yes your right it was about my version, but AFAIR I took your version (which means current version) and enrich the HTML tags, but I might be wrong (maybe a added/changed some content and misspell it ;) Anyway it's not important now. We need the static webpage with link to wiki. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Mon May 18 01:27:24 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 00:27:24 +0100 Subject: Newbee help! In-Reply-To: References: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> Message-ID: 2009/5/17 Alex Bennee : > 2009/5/16 ?: >> Dear clug, [...] > For a server (certainly a stable one for your business) I wouldn't > go with Fedora. You may want to consider CentOS (~Red Hat > Enterprise) or Debian. > I would also add Ubuntu LTS edition and maybe OpenSuse, especially if you need interoperability with Windows. >> I am looking to setup backup for the Office, > Beside rsync, maybe clonezilla. > >>external access to the server > >> and help with a database. MySQL is the most common choice, but DBA often suggest other ones i.e. PostgreSQL. Have a nice time with Linux. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Mon May 18 01:54:22 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 00:54:22 +0100 Subject: Newbee help! In-Reply-To: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> References: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450905171654r5e27b091o429ab2357d5fb50a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/5/16 > I have just signed up to the mail list. Welcome! > I am a newbee to Linux but I am very interested to embrace it and use it > in a newly formed company I am working for. Excellent; very good to hear! > I was wondering if there is anyone out there that could give me some help > and advice on setting up a server preferably with Fidora. > > I am looking to setup backup for the Office, external access to the server > and help with a database. It would probably be helpful if you could suggest how much help you need, and what your level of experience is with other operating systems' server, backup and database offerings. That way, we'll have some idea which level we ought to pitch our advice at. As you've probably already gathered, you ought to begin by selecting a Linux distro to use. Broadly speaking, these fall into three families: Debian-based, Red Hat-based, and others. The primary difference is in the packaging system used. (A packaging system is a system for distributing programs - or software "packages" - to users, largely to save users the trouble of having to compile the programs themselves.) Debian-based distros (including Debian and Ubuntu) use a packaging system called apt; Red Hat-based distros use a packaging system called RPM; and then, there are various somewhat specialist distros that either don't use a packaging system at all, or else use a less common one than apt or RPM. My own preference is for Debian-derived distros, not least because I find apt quite easy to work with. Another important factor to consider when picking a distro is how stable it is. Some distros (e.g. Fedora; Ubuntu) aim to provide the latest packages asap, sometimes even if they're still a bit buggy. This is a bit like Windows software: it needs updating frequently, and the updates typically aren't just bug-fixes: they add or change the functionality of the software (think of Internet Explorer as a good example of this kind of thing, in the Windows context). Other distros (e.g. Debian; RHEL; CentOS) emphasise stability: software updates typically only address bugs; they don't otherwise change the functionality of the software. This is important, as otherwise any other piece of software that relies on the piece of software being updated could stop working if the piece being updated has its functionality altered. People quite often favour stability-oriented distros for servers, and other distros for desktops. This is because stability is more critical for servers, whereas having the latest features is sometimes more important for people using desktop workstations. Another important factor is support: do you want the security (and expense) of a support contract? If so, some distros offer this as standard, e.g. Ubuntu and Red Hat. For other distros, your support contract would have to be arranged separately, e.g. with an IT consultancy, or by hiring a sysadmin. Finally, you need to check that any distro under consideration does support the packages you want to use. With most mainstream distros, this shouldn't be a problem if all you need is backup software, remote logins, and a relational database. Hopefully this has been of some help. Now, I'd suggest searching the Web (and perhaps the computer bookshelves of the local bookshops) for answers to any more specific questions you might have. If you get stuck, either send another email to the CLUG list or to the mailing list for the piece of software that's puzzling you, and all being well, you'll get an answer pretty quickly :) Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090518/11102ee6/attachment-0001.htm From wawrzek at gmail.com Mon May 18 02:42:57 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 01:42:57 +0100 Subject: Newbee help! In-Reply-To: <4126b3450905171654r5e27b091o429ab2357d5fb50a@mail.gmail.com> References: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> <4126b3450905171654r5e27b091o429ab2357d5fb50a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/5/18 Sam Kuper : [...] > It would probably be helpful if you could suggest how much help you need, > and what your level of experience is with other operating systems' server, > backup and database offerings. That way, we'll have some idea which level we > ought to pitch our advice at. [...] > Sam Great text. I think it might find place on CamLUG website. -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From clug at dziewulski.com Mon May 18 05:59:30 2009 From: clug at dziewulski.com (Jan M. Dziewulski) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 04:59:30 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Mailing list status References: <997DA949-CB94-48AC-B057-226FD3D469DC@dziewulski.com> Message-ID: <9B0AD258-9C70-40D9-865E-D62255904477@dziewulski.com> Hi all, I suppose it would just be my end but just to check, is anyone else getting duplicates of any mails sent to the list? Thanks, -- Janek From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Mon May 18 09:15:42 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:15:42 +0100 Subject: Newbee help! In-Reply-To: <4126b3450905171654r5e27b091o429ab2357d5fb50a@mail.gmail.com> References: <49787.78.151.148.28.1242499183.squirrel@www.procamintegrated.com> <4126b3450905171654r5e27b091o429ab2357d5fb50a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A110B1E.6000302@the-thornes.co.uk> Gavin, Sam's advice is excellent and well worth taking heed of. If you are unsure of which distro to look at for your server, could you set up a few virtual machines short term to have a play with. You can then look at Debian/CentOS/Ubuntu LTS (Long Term Service - means patches and security updates are updated for 5 years in the case of servers) and choose based off your own experience. There are many howtos on the internet to help and of course we will always try to help you on here. Dave Sam Kuper wrote: > 2009/5/16 > > > I have just signed up to the mail list. > > > Welcome! > > > I am a newbee to Linux but I am very interested to embrace it and > use it > in a newly formed company I am working for. > > > Excellent; very good to hear! > > > I was wondering if there is anyone out there that could give me > some help > and advice on setting up a server preferably with Fidora. > > I am looking to setup backup for the Office, external access to > the server > and help with a database. > > > It would probably be helpful if you could suggest how much help you > need, and what your level of experience is with other operating > systems' server, backup and database offerings. That way, we'll have > some idea which level we ought to pitch our advice at. > > As you've probably already gathered, you ought to begin by selecting a > Linux distro to use. Broadly speaking, these fall into three families: > Debian-based, Red Hat-based, and others. The primary difference is in > the packaging system used. (A packaging system is a system for > distributing programs - or software "packages" - to users, largely to > save users the trouble of having to compile the programs themselves.) > > Debian-based distros (including Debian and Ubuntu) use a packaging > system called apt; Red Hat-based distros use a packaging system called > RPM; and then, there are various somewhat specialist distros that > either don't use a packaging system at all, or else use a less common > one than apt or RPM. My own preference is for Debian-derived distros, > not least because I find apt quite easy to work with. > > Another important factor to consider when picking a distro is how > stable it is. Some distros (e.g. Fedora; Ubuntu) aim to provide the > latest packages asap, sometimes even if they're still a bit buggy. > This is a bit like Windows software: it needs updating frequently, and > the updates typically aren't just bug-fixes: they add or change the > functionality of the software (think of Internet Explorer as a good > example of this kind of thing, in the Windows context). Other distros > (e.g. Debian; RHEL; CentOS) emphasise stability: software updates > typically only address bugs; they don't otherwise change the > functionality of the software. This is important, as otherwise any > other piece of software that relies on the piece of software being > updated could stop working if the piece being updated has its > functionality altered. > > People quite often favour stability-oriented distros for servers, and > other distros for desktops. This is because stability is more critical > for servers, whereas having the latest features is sometimes more > important for people using desktop workstations. > > Another important factor is support: do you want the security (and > expense) of a support contract? If so, some distros offer this as > standard, e.g. Ubuntu and Red Hat. For other distros, your support > contract would have to be arranged separately, e.g. with an IT > consultancy, or by hiring a sysadmin. > > Finally, you need to check that any distro under consideration does > support the packages you want to use. 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From iain at imcfarla.homelinux.net Fri May 29 11:59:20 2009 From: iain at imcfarla.homelinux.net (Iain McFarlane) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:59:20 +0100 Subject: sed/regex help Message-ID: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> Can I pick your brains... I have a file of md5sum + filename i.e. b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/1.txt b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/2.txt 804cd1ebf98ea66f4b55b059a3481581 ./x/3.txt I want to be able to change the md5sum so that each line is unique by adding the count of how many lines there are with that md5sum to the beginning of the md5sum. 1b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/1.txt 2b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/2.txt 1804cd1ebf98ea66f4b55b059a3481581 ./x/3.txt I have got so far but become stuck as the substitute only works on the first 32 chars and not the second line loaded in. sed -e '$\!N; s/^\(.\{32\} \)\(.*$\)/\1\2/' Also there may be more lines with the same md5sum. Regards, Iain ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Fri May 29 12:06:36 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:06:36 +0100 Subject: sed/regex help In-Reply-To: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> References: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <80C4F1CB-E43C-4371-B3D4-2D289C6F983B@bbsrc.ac.uk> On 29 May 2009, at 10:59, Iain McFarlane wrote: > Can I pick your brains... > > I have a file of md5sum + filename i.e. > b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/1.txt > b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/2.txt > 804cd1ebf98ea66f4b55b059a3481581 ./x/3.txt > > I want to be able to change the md5sum so that each line is unique > by adding the count of how many lines there are with that md5sum to > the beginning of the md5sum. > 1b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/1.txt > 2b1946ac92492d2347c6235b4d2611184 ./x/2.txt > 1804cd1ebf98ea66f4b55b059a3481581 ./x/3.txt You'll have to construct something with a data structure which can remember and count which md5s you've seen before. I've not tested it but this perl script should do it (pass a filename as an argument or pipe in data from STDIN). TTFN Simon. #!/usr/bin/perl use warnings; use strict; my %md5; while (<>) { my ($md5) = split(/\s+/); ++$md5{$md5}; print $md5{$md5},$_; } From tehpeh at gmx.net Fri May 29 12:11:57 2009 From: tehpeh at gmx.net (Thomas Pircher) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:11:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: sed/regex help In-Reply-To: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> References: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <0be77755adee0ae120b91c9bdd89c23f.squirrel@www.tty1.net> Iain McFarlane wrote: > Also there may be more lines with the same md5sum. Are the lines with the same md5sum guaranteed to be consecutive? If not you will have a very hard time to implement it in sed. The problem is very easy to solve with awk, for example: --- { if (a[$1]) { a[$1]++ } else { a[$1] = 1 } print a[$1]$0 } --- Or is it more a sporting challenge to use sed? HTH Thomas From iain at imcfarla.homelinux.net Fri May 29 12:52:24 2009 From: iain at imcfarla.homelinux.net (Iain McFarlane) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:52:24 +0100 Subject: sed/regex help In-Reply-To: <0be77755adee0ae120b91c9bdd89c23f.squirrel@www.tty1.net> References: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> <0be77755adee0ae120b91c9bdd89c23f.squirrel@www.tty1.net> Message-ID: <20090529115224.19866zm8tx7q6pwk@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> Quoting Thomas Pircher : > Iain McFarlane wrote: >> Also there may be more lines with the same md5sum. > > Are the lines with the same md5sum guaranteed to be consecutive? If not > you will have a very hard time to implement it in sed. > > The problem is very easy to solve with awk, for example: > --- > { > if (a[$1]) { > a[$1]++ > } else { > a[$1] = 1 > } > print a[$1]$0 > } > --- > > Or is it more a sporting challenge to use sed? Awk is fine and working well - thanks very much! > > HTH > Thomas > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From tehpeh at gmx.net Fri May 29 13:03:31 2009 From: tehpeh at gmx.net (Thomas Pircher) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:03:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: sed/regex help In-Reply-To: <20090529115224.19866zm8tx7q6pwk@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> References: <20090529105920.14015o5wx8c7sogs@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> <0be77755adee0ae120b91c9bdd89c23f.squirrel@www.tty1.net> <20090529115224.19866zm8tx7q6pwk@private.imcfarla.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <1ad2add725008861b5400e97e73f67fd.squirrel@www.tty1.net> Iain McFarlane wrote: > Awk is fine and working well - thanks very much! Inspired by Simon's example: you can reduce the script also to: --- { a[$1]++ print a[$1]$0 } --- Thomas