From paul-clug@hidden Wed Jan 7 13:29:35 2009 From: paul-clug@hidden (Paul M) Date: Wed Jan 7 14:29:48 2009 Subject: OT: cambridge monopoly Message-ID: <4964AE3F.9080109@mansfield.co.uk> a bit off-topic, but fun! http://www.amazon.co.uk/Winning-Moves-Cambridge-Monopoly/dp/B0007LQ17I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys&qid=1231334929&sr=8-1 From magnus@hidden Wed Jan 7 13:45:40 2009 From: magnus@hidden (Magnus Therning) Date: Wed Jan 7 14:45:54 2009 Subject: OT: cambridge monopoly In-Reply-To: <4964AE3F.9080109@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4964AE3F.9080109@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Paul M wrote: > a bit off-topic, but fun! > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Winning-Moves-Cambridge-Monopoly/dp/B0007LQ17I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys&qid=1231334929&sr=8-1 I believe that can be found at the local tourist information centre. Probably at an instant-gratification premium, but that's just to be expected. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From gareth.pullen@hidden Wed Jan 7 14:04:05 2009 From: gareth.pullen@hidden (Gareth Pullen) Date: Wed Jan 7 15:04:12 2009 Subject: OT: cambridge monopoly In-Reply-To: References: <4964AE3F.9080109@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: 2009/1/7 Magnus Therning : > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Paul M wrote: >> a bit off-topic, but fun! >> >> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Winning-Moves-Cambridge-Monopoly/dp/B0007LQ17I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys&qid=1231334929&sr=8-1 > > I believe that can be found at the local tourist information centre. > Probably at an instant-gratification premium, but that's just to be > expected. > The Cambs WHSmith (by the market) also sells it (well, it did when I worked there a couple of years ago, they sold out within 2 hours of being released, so I'd be surprised if they've dropped it already). Gareth. From tom-lists-clug2@hidden Wed Jan 7 16:04:11 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Wed Jan 7 17:04:16 2009 Subject: OT: cambridge monopoly In-Reply-To: References: <4964AE3F.9080109@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090107160411.GB2803@weber> On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 02:04:05PM +0000, Gareth Pullen wrote: > 2009/1/7 Magnus Therning : > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Paul M wrote: > >> a bit off-topic, but fun! > >> > >> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Winning-Moves-Cambridge-Monopoly/dp/B0007LQ17I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys&qid=1231334929&sr=8-1 > > > > I believe that can be found at the local tourist information centre. > > Probably at an instant-gratification premium, but that's just to be > > expected. > > The Cambs WHSmith (by the market) also sells it (well, it did when I > worked there a couple of years ago, they sold out within 2 hours of > being released, so I'd be surprised if they've dropped it already). I've got one of these (unopened I think) if someone wants it in return for a donation to charity. Tom From dom@hidden Thu Jan 8 09:51:57 2009 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Thu Jan 8 09:52:15 2009 Subject: OT: cambridge monopoly In-Reply-To: References: <4964AE3F.9080109@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <200901080951.57674.dom@latter.org> On Wednesday 07 January 2009 14:45:40 Magnus Therning wrote: > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Paul M wrote: > > a bit off-topic, but fun! > > > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Winning-Moves-Cambridge-Monopoly/dp/B0007LQ17I/re > >f=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys&qid=1231334929&sr=8-1 > > I believe that can be found at the local tourist information centre. Which is where it belongs. A *proper* Cambridge Monopoly board would include Mill Road, at the least, and probably Gwydir Street as well, amongst other omissions. AFAIK this version doesn't, but includes "street names" like "Duxford" and "King's College Chapel". Que? From jt@hidden Thu Jan 8 10:07:58 2009 From: jt@hidden (jt@camalyn.org) Date: Thu Jan 8 11:09:23 2009 Subject: JOB: Technical Manager [London, close to Kings X] Message-ID: <1231409278.4478.32.camel@linux-qtk6.site> ?hi everyone, I am recruiting for an on-line web related/ focused client close to Kings Cross (London) that has been using agile and extreme programming since they were formed and as a result their roles include pairing time with other sysadmins, developers and management. They mainly develop using php, ruby (and ruby on rails) and are a 100% linux shop. ? Offering an informal dress style (tie free zone) they are looking to recruit a Technical Manager to provide cohesion between development and commercial and unify the development team toward common goals. Most of what they do hasn't been done before so they are very much a learning company! I'd be very interested to hear from anybody who might be interested specifically from those that ideally have at least 2-3 years in a paradigm (oo, functional or relational) and exposure to agile, 2+ languages. This isn't a programming role but that said it is entirely possible that they would like you to occasionally do some coding. You should have enough programming experience under your belt to be able to easily identify bad code, and of course good code. Should anybody be interested in discussing with me further please e-mail me on james@camalyn.org All the best for the new year. JAMES www.camalyn.org From pmpbw@hidden Thu Jan 8 13:21:58 2009 From: pmpbw@hidden (Paul Williams) Date: Thu Jan 8 14:22:14 2009 Subject: Help with Linpus required. Message-ID: Hi Can anyone help me overcome the "internal error - failed to initialize HAL!" problem that I have on my Acer Aspire ONE netbook which is running Linpus Linux Lite V1.0.3.E? At the moment the computer is unable to connect to the internet and does not recognize any USB periferals. Even if I could, I don't want to resinstall the operating system, if I can possibly avoid it, because to do so would wipe out my documents. Paul _________________________________________________________________ Are you a PC?? Upload your PC story and show the world http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465942/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090108/dc566879/attachment.htm From wawrzek@hidden Thu Jan 8 14:01:14 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Thu Jan 8 15:01:26 2009 Subject: Help with Linpus required. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/1/8 Paul Williams Hi, > [...] > At the moment the computer is unable to connect to the internet and does > not recognize any USB periferals. > Even if I could, I don't want to resinstall the operating system, if I can > possibly avoid it, because to do so would wipe out my documents. > Have you considered to boot the machine using Linux on USB stick? I don't know if it works with Aspire ONE. It gives you opportuninty to backup your documents before trying diffrent fixes? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090108/f47e1ec4/attachment.htm From paul@hidden Thu Jan 8 14:48:09 2009 From: paul@hidden (Paul Oldham) Date: Thu Jan 8 15:48:19 2009 Subject: Help with Linpus required. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49661229.7050404@the-hug.org> On 08/01/09 13:21, Paul Williams wrote: > Can anyone help me overcome the "internal error - failed to initialize > HAL!" problem that I have on my Acer Aspire ONE netbook which is running > Linpus Linux Lite V1.0.3.E? > At the moment the computer is unable to connect to the internet and does > not recognize any USB periferals. As Wawrzek says using USB stick (or CD-ROM) to boot Linux might be a good start to at least get your documents backed up. After that the next step is to look at the log files in /var/log - you'll often find much more informative messages there as to what's going on and where the errors are occurring. -- Paul From marcus@hidden Thu Jan 8 16:16:33 2009 From: marcus@hidden (Marcus Williams) Date: Thu Jan 8 17:16:53 2009 Subject: Strange network problems... Message-ID: <496626E1.2070202@quintic.co.uk> Hi - Anyone any good at diagnosing network problems? :) We've started to get really odd network problems at work. It feels like a NAT problem but I havnt really got a clue as I cant track it down. The easiest way to reproduce it is from a browser - I can be happily googling when suddenly I'll get back an error from google saying my request wasnt understood. The strange thing about this is it appears to be someone elses request to a different site if that makes sense. So google is getting an HTTP request for something like /myspace/photo.jpg or a mangled version of my request. Whats worse is occasionally these requests do work - so I can go to some random website and get an image back as the response (google.com the other day returned its favicon as the response for the root page, our netgear router returned one its css files in one of the admin frames on its page). In other network tools its not as obvious (slow/broken connections etc) because you dont actually see the response as such, but its definitely happening. Switching to a different ADSL line doesnt fix it so I dont think its internet provider related. There dont appear to be any errors reported on the gateway NICs. Anyone any ideas how to track it down? Marcus From wawrzek@hidden Thu Jan 8 22:35:07 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Thu Jan 8 23:35:41 2009 Subject: Help with Linpus required. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, This is the example how to boot from USB stick [1]: Reboot your Aspire One with the USB stick in one of its USB sockets. When you see the BIOS screen, hit F12 to select the USB stick as the boot device. This will cause the Aspire One to boot the Debian installer from the USB stick. And here [2] the advice how to change system to Ubuntu [2]. Probably you can also use Puppet or other 'small' linux to create live usb stick and use it to backup your files. Wawrzek [1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne#head-85b6a329e872056bc79873468cd2247b170eaf9c [2] http://www.aspireoneuser.com/2008/08/14/acer-aspire-one-ubuntu-netbook/ -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090108/a4d371f1/attachment.htm From mcconville.steve@hidden Thu Jan 8 22:52:36 2009 From: mcconville.steve@hidden (Steve McConville) Date: Thu Jan 8 23:52:40 2009 Subject: Help with Linpus required. In-Reply-To: <49661229.7050404@the-hug.org> References: <49661229.7050404@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <56652bc0901081452x6cf3766ak26af0daa445806da@mail.gmail.com> I agree the most urgent thing to do if you have un-backed-up documents which you wish to keep on it is to back them up as soon as possible. We know that USB and ethernet/wi-fi is not working, what about the SD card slot? If it's also not functioning then Wawrzek's approach of booting from a usb-disk using a small linux distribution is probably the best way to get them off. Could you tell us when you see the "internal error - failed to initialize HAL!" message? And any other messages that take place just before or afterwards? This last one may be a tall order, but if you could provide the contents of the /var/log/messages file? 2009/1/8 Paul Oldham : > On 08/01/09 13:21, Paul Williams wrote: > >> Can anyone help me overcome the "internal error - failed to initialize >> HAL!" problem that I have on my Acer Aspire ONE netbook which is running >> Linpus Linux Lite V1.0.3.E? >> At the moment the computer is unable to connect to the internet and does >> not recognize any USB periferals. > > As Wawrzek says using USB stick (or CD-ROM) to boot Linux might be a good > start to at least get your documents backed up. > > After that the next step is to look at the log files in /var/log - you'll > often find much more informative messages there as to what's going on and > where the errors are occurring. > > -- > Paul > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- steev http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/ From wawrzek@hidden Thu Jan 8 23:12:19 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri Jan 9 00:12:30 2009 Subject: New Year new webpage? Message-ID: Hi, I think it is good time to finally change CamLUG website? Could you remind me what is the status of the works? AFAIR we needed some more content (some text, some images). Could we make a list of lacking elements? (And people wanting to help of course). Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090108/421914d9/attachment.htm From marcus@hidden Fri Jan 9 12:10:52 2009 From: marcus@hidden (Marcus Williams) Date: Fri Jan 9 13:11:12 2009 Subject: Strange network problems... In-Reply-To: <496626E1.2070202@quintic.co.uk> References: <496626E1.2070202@quintic.co.uk> Message-ID: <49673ECC.6010202@quintic.co.uk> On 08/01/2009 16:16, Marcus Williams wrote: > We've started to get really odd network problems at work. It feels like > a NAT problem but I havnt really got a clue as I cant track it down. The > easiest way to reproduce it is from a browser - I can be happily > googling when suddenly I'll get back an error from google saying my > request wasnt understood. The strange thing about this is it appears to > be someone elses request to a different site if that makes sense. So > google is getting an HTTP request for something like /myspace/photo.jpg > or a mangled version of my request. A more concrete example - one of our java apps talks to a pop3 server on our network (via port 110). Every now and again we're getting this exception (with a different Unexpected response message each time): javax.mail.MessagingException: Connect failed; nested exception is: java.io.IOException: Unexpected response: GET /search?q=pdf2ps&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GFRD_en-GB HTTP/1.1 at com.sun.mail.pop3.POP3Store.protocolConnect(POP3Store.java:161) at javax.mail.Service.connect(Service.java:288) at javax.mail.Service.connect(Service.java:169) at com.kyaksystems.ICTModelTool.Server.EMailClient.run(EMailClient.java:81) ... so in this case the POP3 connection somehow got the search request for pdf2ps from a different machine. Still no clue whats causing it. Marcus From dom@hidden Fri Jan 9 15:50:45 2009 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Fri Jan 9 15:50:56 2009 Subject: Strange network problems... In-Reply-To: <49673ECC.6010202@quintic.co.uk> References: <496626E1.2070202@quintic.co.uk> <49673ECC.6010202@quintic.co.uk> Message-ID: <200901091550.46030.dom@latter.org> On Friday 09 January 2009 13:10:52 Marcus Williams wrote: > ... so in this case the POP3 connection somehow got the search request > for pdf2ps from a different machine. > > Still no clue whats causing it. The router, I'd guess. Can you swap it out for another one? What make / model is it? From marcus@hidden Fri Jan 9 14:56:16 2009 From: marcus@hidden (Marcus Williams) Date: Fri Jan 9 15:56:35 2009 Subject: Strange network problems... In-Reply-To: <200901091550.46030.dom@latter.org> References: <496626E1.2070202@quintic.co.uk> <49673ECC.6010202@quintic.co.uk> <200901091550.46030.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <49676590.3040403@quintic.co.uk> On 09/01/2009 14:50, Dom Latter wrote: > The router, I'd guess. Can you swap it out for another one? What make / > model is it? Not sure if it is - we've tried swapping to a different router and see the same thing. Also if you connect a machine to the wireless ap on that router (so its "outside" of our network) the problems appear to stop. It looks like its something on our network, could be the gateway (we have a linux gateway with 3 nics: internal eth, ADSL1 and ADSL2) I guess but we've not had problems with it before. Thanks Marcus From simon.andrews@hidden Fri Jan 9 15:00:36 2009 From: simon.andrews@hidden (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Fri Jan 9 16:00:51 2009 Subject: Strange network problems... In-Reply-To: <49676590.3040403@quintic.co.uk> References: <496626E1.2070202@quintic.co.uk> <49673ECC.6010202@quintic.co.uk><200901091550.46030.dom@latter.org> <49676590.3040403@quintic.co.uk> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: clug-bounces@cambridge-lug.org > [mailto:clug-bounces@cambridge-lug.org] On Behalf Of Marcus Williams > Subject: Re: Strange network problems... > > we've tried swapping to a different > router and see the same thing. Also if you connect a machine > to the wireless ap on that router (so its "outside" of our > network) the problems appear to stop. Could you have duplicate IPs on your network? Maybe a rogue DHCP server or a corrupted arp cache somewhere? Simon. From pmpbw@hidden Wed Jan 14 15:55:07 2009 From: pmpbw@hidden (Paul Williams) Date: Wed Jan 14 16:55:20 2009 Subject: Please help a newbie with "Failed to intialize HAL!" Message-ID: Hello everybody. Thanks for all the help you gave me last time, helping me to overcome the "internal error - failed to intialize HAL!" problem. I'm getting a bit nearer to getting my machine working again, but right now I'm stuck. Please help I'm trying to copy my files onto my USB memory stick preparatory to reinstalling the operating system, but knowing nothing about Linpus, I don't know how to do it. I inserted the mem stick and then I typed: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mediamount I got this result: /dev/sda1 on / type ext2 (rw) (I was surprised to see sda1 and not sdb1)none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) (what does this "none" mean? What does rw stand for?)none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)none on /sys type sysfs (rw)none on /mnt/home type aufs (rw,si=cd7d0780,xino=/home/user/.aufs.xino,create=mfs,dirs=/home/user=rw)/dev/sdb1 on /media type vfat (rw) (sdb1 is here. What does sdb stand for?) Then I typed cd /medialsI got a list of the files on my USB memory stick This is a major breakthrough, since my machine does not show the USB memory stick or the SD memory card when I click on Advanced mode in Files.But I don't know how to copy my files to the media.I tried sudo cp /Documents /mediaand I got cp: cannot stat '/Documents': No such file or directory I tried cd /homecp /Documents /mediabut I got this result again: cp: cannot stat '/Documents': No such file or directory How do I get back to my files which are at My Disk:///Documents/Spreadsheets ?Will I be able to copy over whole folders or do I have to copy each file separately? Can anybody help me? Please don't take any knowledge for granted, but rather tell me exactly what I should type. Many thanks Paul Williams _________________________________________________________________ Imagine a life without walls.? See the possibilities http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465943/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090114/71e0f48f/attachment.htm From wawrzek@hidden Wed Jan 14 16:07:27 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed Jan 14 17:07:40 2009 Subject: Please help a newbie with "Failed to intialize HAL!" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/1/14 Paul Williams [...] > > /dev/sdb1 on /media type vfat > (rw) (sdb1 is here. What does > sdb stand for?) > /dev is catalogue with files symbolising all devices (DEVices) connect to the machine (less or more). sdb1 consist from 3 parts: sd - was reserve to SCSI disk no is state for any hard drive (in most case) b - means second drive connected 1 - first partition on this drive (You might want to check documents like this one: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04) > > > Then I typed cd /media > ls > I got a list of the files on my USB memory stick > > This is a major breakthrough, since my machine does not show the USB memory > stick or the SD memory card when I click on Advanced mode in Files. > But I don't know how to copy my files to the media. > I tried > > sudo cp /Documents /media > and I got cp: cannot stat '/Documents': No such file or directory > '/' - in the path symbolize the root of the system. All path start from it, but I'm pretty sure that Documents directory is not located in '/'. I.e. my home directory is /home/niewod (on Mac it will be /Users/niewod) So please try cd /home ls check if you have any names, let say XXX cp /home/XXX/Documents /media or something similar. I hope it might be a bit helpful. -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090114/8d2a38c3/attachment.htm From dom@hidden Wed Jan 14 17:59:20 2009 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Wed Jan 14 17:59:36 2009 Subject: Please help a newbie with "Failed to intialize HAL!" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200901141759.20768.dom@latter.org> On Wednesday 14 January 2009 16:55:07 Paul Williams wrote: > Can anybody help me? Please don't take any knowledge for granted, but > rather tell me exactly what I should type. Many thanks As Wawrzek says, I think you'll find your files somewhere inside /home/user. (Yes, that literally is user, not a username such as, say, paul). If you use the "ls -l" command you get a longer listing, which shows file sizes and other useful info, like this: drwxr-xr-x 2 dom dom 240 2007-02-20 01:00 styles -rw-r--r-- 1 dom dom 4799 2008-01-22 14:14 terms.php The lines beginning with a 'd' are directories (i.e. folders in Windows speak). Having found your Documents folder / directory, do something like this: "mkdir /media/backup" "cp -r /home/user/Documents /media/backup" From ejlilley@hidden Thu Jan 15 00:20:33 2009 From: ejlilley@hidden (Edward Lilley) Date: Thu Jan 15 01:20:46 2009 Subject: Bizarre IPv6 problem Message-ID: <1231978833.7862.8.camel@delta.ugnus.uk.eu.org> I'm having a rather odd issue with IPv6 here. This is my setup: [computers in LAN] -- [router] -- [rest of IPv6 internet] The router knows my IPv6-subnet, and assigns all he computers a globally-unique IPv6 address, and all computers in the LAN can talk to each other and to the router over IPv6. That's all working fine. The only problem is, a computer in the LAN can only connect to an IPv6 host beyond the router (e.g. ipv6.google.com) if it is constantly maintaining a connection to the router itself -- otherwise "ping6 ipv6.google.com" just hangs indefinitely. So if I run "ping6 " I can then do ping6, HTTP over IPv6, &c. to sites like ipv6.google.com with no problems. (at the moment I just leave "ping6 &" running in the background all the time). This only seems to effects gnu/linux boxes on the lan (ubuntu & fedora), not WinXP ones which have had IPv6 enabled. I suspect it is some weird IP-related sysctl setting that I haven't found yet, but it's somewhat strange. Any thoughts on how to resolve it without the kludgy ping6-in-background hack? Thanks in advance for any suggestions, Edward Lilley From pmpbw@hidden Thu Jan 15 00:37:27 2009 From: pmpbw@hidden (Paul Williams) Date: Thu Jan 15 01:37:38 2009 Subject: Many thanks Message-ID: Grateful thanks to William, Dom and to Wawrzyniec for your brilliant help. From each of your replies I got some very useful information, and have now managed to save my valuable files - and somehow during the process, the "Internal error - failed to initialize HAL!" problem seems to have disappeared! At least, that error message hasn't popped up, and the machine now sees USBs and memory cards, and it tries to connect to the internet. None of this was happening before. I still have a lot of corrupted files, so I'll try reinstalling Linpus Lite, and I shall probably be asking for your help again. Many thanks for what you have done for me already. Paul _________________________________________________________________ Cut through the jargon: find a PC for your needs. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090115/f3011e6e/attachment.htm From wawrzek@hidden Fri Jan 16 22:52:33 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza???ski) Date: Fri Jan 16 23:52:52 2009 Subject: Help with Linpus required. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090116225215.GA6683@gmail.com> Hi, On more link related to the subject: http://osnews.com/story/20743/Eeebuntu_2_0_SD_Card_Installation_on_the_Aspire_One Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza???ski vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From wawrzek@hidden Fri Jan 16 22:55:59 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (Wawrzyniec =?unknown-8bit?Q?Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri Jan 16 23:56:13 2009 Subject: Many thanks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090116225558.GC6683@gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:37:27AM +0000, Paul Williams wrote: Hi, > Grateful thanks to William, Dom and to Wawrzyniec for your brilliant help. Grate that we could help you. > From > each of your replies I got some very useful information, and have now managed > to save my valuable files [...] This is the way you can learn Linux. Every small bit of Knowledge ;) Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodniczański vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From alastair@hidden Sat Jan 17 00:55:04 2009 From: alastair@hidden (Alastair Stevens) Date: Sat Jan 17 01:55:31 2009 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? Message-ID: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> Hi All - I'm looking for feedback on the latest versions of Fedora Linux, from people who use it every day and who are keen on systems that "Just Work". This isn't a game any more; although I've been using Linux full-time for 7 years (and part-time for over 10 years), I'm beginning to lose my rag and starting to lust after the Windows 7 beta.... Somebody help me! I love Linux, and have fought to advocate it for years, with relatively little success. But now my smugness and superiority is coming back to smack me in the face. It's 2009 now, and I have a computer that still can't do many of things that my old Celeron 466 machine with Windows 2000 could do in, er, 2000. My demands are not onerous: I just want a CD player that can, for example, play CDs without crashing on track 2; and a broader sound system that can, er, play sounds without crashing every 23 hours and requiring a reboot to make sound work again. And a mail system that can, er, read and send mail without creating a stuck process that *cannot be killed* and sucks 100% of one CPU until a reboot (Dovecot developers, are you listening?) Is it Linux, or is it just Ubuntu? I've always regarded Fedora as a funky but unusable (for production) beta project ... but perhaps it's time my views changed? Or even better, I should be a good boy and use rock solid Debian 'stable' and stop whinging? I still feel I'd be sunk without the raw power and flexibility that Linux offers. But despite getting ever more powerful, it also seems to be getting ever more *flakey*, and I can no longer tolerate that. Where do I go next? Cheers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090117/7f10126c/attachment.htm From dom@hidden Sat Jan 17 02:16:02 2009 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Sat Jan 17 02:16:15 2009 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200901170216.03256.dom@latter.org> On Saturday 17 January 2009 01:55:04 Alastair Stevens wrote: [snip woe] > Is it Linux, or is it just Ubuntu? It might be your hardware. What is it? How old is it? Apart from that... I know what you mean. The "guest" laptop here is now on Ubuntu 8.10 -and the wifi is broken. I've tried the various fixes that I've found on the net, but no joy. No worries, I'll try a Fedora hat on instead... From magnus@hidden Sat Jan 17 07:00:49 2009 From: magnus@hidden (Magnus Therning) Date: Sat Jan 17 08:01:03 2009 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49718221.8090401@therning.org> Alastair Stevens wrote: > Hi All - I'm looking for feedback on the latest versions of Fedora > Linux, from people who use it every day and who are keen on systems that > "Just Work". This isn't a game any more; although I've been using Linux > full-time for 7 years (and part-time for over 10 years), I'm beginning > to lose my rag and starting to lust after the Windows 7 beta.... > [..] > > Is it Linux, or is it just Ubuntu? I've always regarded Fedora as a > funky but unusable (for production) beta project ... but perhaps it's > time my views changed? Or even better, I should be a good boy and use > rock solid Debian 'stable' and stop whinging? I'd give Debian Etch a go. Also, keep in mind that switching from Linux to Windows in reality will mean switching one set of problems for another. IMO it all comes down to what environment you are most comfortable with troubleshooting. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus Haskell is an even 'redder' pill than Lisp or Scheme. -- PaulPotts -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From thierry@hidden Sat Jan 17 11:02:55 2009 From: thierry@hidden (Thierry Sayegh De Bellis) Date: Sat Jan 17 11:03:08 2009 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4971ACCF.5020301@glossolalie.org> Alastair Stevens a ?crit : > Hi All - I'm looking for feedback on the latest versions of Fedora > Linux, from people who use it every day and who are keen on systems > that "Just Work". This isn't a game any more; although I've been using > Linux full-time for 7 years (and part-time for over 10 years), I'm > beginning to lose my rag and starting to lust after the Windows 7 beta.... [snip] ***disclaimer: been working in red hat shops for too many years to count and hold a current rhce so it is my comfort zone*** Been using red hat in one form or another since rh 5.x back in the days were they did not have this whole enterprise model thing. I moved to Fedora when it was beta and been using it ever since without massive glitches, when I had an issue it has always been hardware related. I do not tend to buy the latest and greatest hence driver issues sometimes, maybe 3 times over the last 7 years. my desktop is Fedora but if it's server related I'd use rhel or centos as the release cycles are too fast for production servers IMHO. you'll find yourself wanting to enable extra 3rd party repositories if you want the fullness of multimedia but it's easy enough. Personally i do not use the fancy desktop effects i just want an efficient, no eye candy desktop so never looked at these stuff. The one thing I avoid like the plague in Fedora is NetworkManager but your experience may vary, a simple look on the mailing list shows wildly disparate experiences with this piece of software. Am not a point and click person so will be in a Terminal most of the time so no graphical client for ftp et al. A server for me comes with no GUI. Probably worth mentioning. So fedora on a desktop - defo yes, on a server, I use CentOS happy to discuss further if you have any questions hth Thierry From alspnost@hidden Sat Jan 17 11:16:24 2009 From: alspnost@hidden (Alastair Stevens) Date: Sat Jan 17 12:16:36 2009 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> Message-ID: <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/17 Tom Ellis > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 07:00:49AM +0000, Magnus Therning wrote: > > I'd give Debian Etch a go. > > Second that. Debian doesn't "just work" because you have to spend a little > while setting it up the way you'd want -- but then it never "just breaks". > _______________________________________________ Thanks Tom - yes, I think you've hit on the key point there. What's really getting me is the *Just Breaks* aspect. I hopefully have enough knowledge and experience to get things working and setup correctly, but then I just want them to *stay* that way. When things just randomly break, I start to wallow in despair. And in just the last two weeks, an Ubuntu kernel upgrade broke my graphics, my sound randomly stops working (pulseaudio blues?), the various Gnome media apps seem to have become flakier than ever (Rhythmbox mainly), Dovecot has gone feral, and so on... Perhaps it's just "Ubuntu x.10" syndrome - I always found the .10 releases much flakier than the .04 releases (including LTS versions obviously). And interestingly, this was first version that I *upgraded* to, rather than clean-installed. But no-one likes taking a step backwards, eh :-) But perhaps I need to take a small step back from the almost-bleeding edge. In hardware terms, I'm on a common-as-muck modern Dell machine (Core 2 Duo, Intel board etc), indeed one of the very models on which Dell ships Ubuntu pre-installed. So I'm fairly certain my hardware is rock solid. Heck, it even runs Vi$ta smoothly, not that I ever use it.... Anyway, sorry for the drunken rant, but it really was just seriously getting to me last night :-) CHeers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From home@hidden Sat Jan 17 13:58:19 2009 From: home@hidden (home@tristanwilliams.com) Date: Sat Jan 17 14:58:33 2009 Subject: Console based postscript (or pdf) viewer In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I am having a credit crunch inspired retro moment (my laptop has died and I am thus forced to use a very old one). Does anyone know of a console based postscript (or pdf) viewer that will compile on a modern linux distribution (Centos 5)? Tristan From tom-lists-clug2@hidden Sat Jan 17 14:09:09 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat Jan 17 15:09:13 2009 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090117140909.GA8811@weber> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:16:24AM +0000, Alastair Stevens wrote: > 2009/1/17 Tom Ellis > > > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 07:00:49AM +0000, Magnus Therning wrote: > > > I'd give Debian Etch a go. > > > > Second that. Debian doesn't "just work" because you have to spend a little > > while setting it up the way you'd want -- but then it never "just breaks". > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks Tom - yes, I think you've hit on the key point there. What's > really getting me is the *Just Breaks* aspect. I hopefully have enough > knowledge and experience to get things working and setup correctly, > but then I just want them to *stay* that way. When things just > randomly break, I start to wallow in despair. Then Debian's the distro for you I think. If you want any help getting it set up feel free to post here and I'll be happy to help. I don't know much about KDE, GNOME and other "consumer" style environments, mind you. Tom From clug@hidden Sat Jan 17 14:10:31 2009 From: clug@hidden (David Thorne) Date: Sat Jan 17 15:10:59 2009 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4971ACCF.5020301@glossolalie.org> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <4971ACCF.5020301@glossolalie.org> Message-ID: <4971E6D7.7050107@the-thornes.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thierry Sayegh De Bellis wrote: - --- Snip --- > > > > So fedora on a desktop - defo yes, on a server, I use CentOS > > I second this. I have a combination of both Ubuntu and Fedora on my home PCs/laptops (As it happens my desktop is usually Ubuntu and my laptop usually Fedora due to the slightly lower memory requirements of Gnome on Fedora - 198 versus 256 on Fedora 9 Vs 8.04) Fedora 10 is an amazing distro - Fedora have recently up'ed the ante with Ubuntu in superb style. Linux Format gave Fedora 10 10/10 and Linux Magazine gave it a very favourable review too. There are a few niggles on Fedora that I don't like (Running full Sun Java isn't easy if you wish to use it as a default JVM for instance, and some of the Eclipse plugins I use don't like OpenJDK, GCJ or similar) and there is always the difficulties of being able to install a media player but not automagically having MP3 codecs, but on the whole This isn't too hard to over come with additional repositories as already mentioned. Ubuntu makes it very easy to install proprietary drivers (Indeed the article at http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3796126/The-Secret-Lives-of-Ubuntu-and-Debian-Users.htm seems to suggest that 86% use proprietary NVidia drivers.) It depends on what your opinion is on proprietary software on Linux. Both Red Hat (Inc.Fedora) and Debian do their best to stick to FOSS standards in their default install - indeed on Fedora 9, even if you have installed mplayer - if you try to watch a WMA video it will take you to a page where you can pay for drivers to view it. I haven't tried to watch a WMA in Fedora 10 yet - I try to avoid the WMA standard where ever possible! Fedora on a desktop is now a superb choice. Can I suggest though if you aren't sure, run a virtual machine (VirtualBox has both open and closed source versions, although the most open are probably KVM/Xen with QEMU or similar) of Fedora on your Ubuntu box and try it "exclusivly" (IE open the VM and run that) for a few days and see if everything works to your liking. I am tempted to ditch my Intrepid install for a Fedora 10 and just run Ubuntu in VMs from now on, but I won't stop using either distro. They both do what I need them too although they can take some fiddling to get there for certain aspects. Regards, Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJcebW8Kgbjjz5/z8RAqTjAJ99wcV1hek6EFXuX+ChSE3IbiJoSwCdEh4e sEg5QBoq/RmKKCmXN9TIszQ= =5UMA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tom-lists-clug2@hidden Sat Jan 17 15:38:44 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat Jan 17 16:38:50 2009 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <32850.142.104.193.193.1221994692.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> References: <32850.142.104.193.193.1221994692.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Message-ID: <20090117153844.GA11672@weber> After Software Freedom Day in September I took home the remaining Ubuntu 8.04 CDs, of which there were about fifty. I've only just got round to putting them in the mail room of my college, so that people can pick them up for free. I thought, since it was so old, that there wouldn't be much interest but actually the CDs all went within a couple of days. When I get some time I might write to ShipIt and ask them to send me loads so I can get friends to leave them in other colleges too. Tom From sam.kuper@hidden Sat Jan 17 18:29:59 2009 From: sam.kuper@hidden (Sam Kuper) Date: Sat Jan 17 19:30:11 2009 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <20090117153844.GA11672@weber> References: <32850.142.104.193.193.1221994692.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <20090117153844.GA11672@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450901171029i10bcf0b3ic5bbb0ba6323205@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/17 Tom Ellis > When I get some time I might write to ShipIt and ask them to send me loads > so I can get friends to leave them in other colleges too. Good call, Tom. If ShipIt send you enough, give me a batch next time I see you and I'll put them out at Emma. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But now I'm having KVM troubles (this used to work!). 17 alastair@xutopia64:~> sudo modprobe kvm-intel FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.27-10gt/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko): Operation not supported Does anyone know why this is failing? I'm running on an Intel Core 2 machine with VT and virtualisation *is* enabled in the BIOS (which is also the latest version). This is all on a 2.6.27-custom kernel under 64-bit Ubuntu. Sigh, another thing that seems to have "Just Broken" :-) Cheers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From paul@hidden Sat Jan 17 20:35:27 2009 From: paul@hidden (Paul Oldham) Date: Sat Jan 17 21:35:30 2009 Subject: Console based postscript (or pdf) viewer In-Reply-To: <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2464.192.168.2.100.1232224527.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> On Sat, January 17, 2009 13:58, home@tristanwilliams.com said: > I am having a credit crunch inspired retro moment (my laptop has died > and I am thus forced to use a very old one). Does anyone know of a > console based postscript (or pdf) viewer that will compile on a modern > linux distribution (Centos 5)? Did you mean something like pdftotext - that's part of xpdf which you can get from here http://www.foolabs.com/xpdf/download.html -- Paul From wawrzek@hidden Sat Jan 17 20:42:55 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (Wawrzyniec =?utf-8?Q?Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat Jan 17 21:43:05 2009 Subject: Console based postscript (or pdf) viewer In-Reply-To: <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090117204254.GA10525@gmail.com> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 01:58:19PM +0000, home@tristanwilliams.com wrote: > Hi, > > I am having a credit crunch inspired retro moment (my laptop has died > and I am thus forced to use a very old one). Does anyone know of a > console based postscript (or pdf) viewer that will compile on a modern > linux distribution (Centos 5)? > Maybe http://linux.bytesex.org/fbida/ Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From paul@hidden Mon Jan 19 12:18:05 2009 From: paul@hidden (Paul Hardwick) Date: Mon Jan 19 13:18:17 2009 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4971E6D7.7050107@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <4971ACCF.5020301@glossolalie.org> <4971E6D7.7050107@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <49746F7D.609@peck.org.uk> David Thorne wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Thierry Sayegh De Bellis wrote: > - --- Snip --- > >>> So fedora on a desktop - defo yes, on a server, I use CentOS >>> >>> > > I second this. I have a combination of both Ubuntu and Fedora on my > home PCs/laptops (As it happens my desktop is usually Ubuntu and my > laptop usually Fedora due to the slightly lower memory requirements of > Gnome on Fedora - 198 versus 256 on Fedora 9 Vs 8.04) > > Fedora 10 is an amazing distro - Fedora have recently up'ed the ante > with Ubuntu in superb style. Linux Format gave Fedora 10 10/10 and > Linux Magazine gave it a very favourable review too. > > There are a few niggles on Fedora that I don't like (Running full Sun > Java isn't easy if you wish to use it as a default JVM for instance, and > some of the Eclipse plugins I use don't like OpenJDK, GCJ or similar) > and there is always the difficulties of being able to install a media > player but not automagically having MP3 codecs, but on the whole This > isn't too hard to over come with additional repositories as already > mentioned. Ubuntu makes it very easy to install proprietary drivers > (Indeed the article at > http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3796126/The-Secret-Lives-of-Ubuntu-and-Debian-Users.htm > seems to suggest that 86% use proprietary NVidia drivers.) It depends on > what your opinion is on proprietary software on Linux. Both Red Hat > (Inc.Fedora) and Debian do their best to stick to FOSS standards in > their default install - indeed on Fedora 9, even if you have installed > mplayer - if you try to watch a WMA video it will take you to a page > where you can pay for drivers to view it. I haven't tried to watch a > WMA in Fedora 10 yet - I try to avoid the WMA standard where ever possible! > > Fedora on a desktop is now a superb choice. Can I suggest though if you > aren't sure, run a virtual machine (VirtualBox has both open and closed > source versions, although the most open are probably KVM/Xen with QEMU > or similar) of Fedora on your Ubuntu box and try it "exclusivly" (IE > open the VM and run that) for a few days and see if everything works to > your liking. > > I am tempted to ditch my Intrepid install for a Fedora 10 and just run > Ubuntu in VMs from now on, but I won't stop using either distro. They > both do what I need them too although they can take some fiddling to get > there for certain aspects. > > Regards, > Dave > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFJcebW8Kgbjjz5/z8RAqTjAJ99wcV1hek6EFXuX+ChSE3IbiJoSwCdEh4e > sEg5QBoq/RmKKCmXN9TIszQ= > =5UMA > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > I run both Fedora 10 and Ubuntu Intrepid on 2 machines each. I get frustrated that the update with Fedora seems to break with unresolvable dependencies frequently with no obvious way of working around it and I end up leaving that distro for some time. On the other hand Ubuntu keeps updating and breaking my Atheros 5007 driver - but work arounds have been posted. Paul H From pmpbw@hidden Mon Jan 19 16:00:33 2009 From: pmpbw@hidden (Paul Williams) Date: Mon Jan 19 17:00:50 2009 Subject: (More) Help for a Newbie required Message-ID: Can you tell me, step by step, how to make a USB recovery disk? I'm using Linpus Linux Lite v1.0.3 E on my Acer Aspire ONE. Many thanks Paul Williams _________________________________________________________________ Cut through the jargon: find a PC for your needs. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090119/034ac98a/attachment.htm From home@hidden Mon Jan 19 16:29:08 2009 From: home@hidden (home@tristanwilliams.com) Date: Mon Jan 19 17:29:16 2009 Subject: Console based postscript (or pdf) viewer In-Reply-To: <2464.192.168.2.100.1232224527.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> <2464.192.168.2.100.1232224527.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> Message-ID: <20090119162908.GA8547@localhost.localdomain> On 17Jan09 20:35, Paul Oldham wrote: > > On Sat, January 17, 2009 13:58, home@tristanwilliams.com said: > > > I am having a credit crunch inspired retro moment (my laptop has died > > and I am thus forced to use a very old one). Does anyone know of a > > console based postscript (or pdf) viewer that will compile on a modern > > linux distribution (Centos 5)? > > Did you mean something like pdftotext - that's part of xpdf which you can > get from here http://www.foolabs.com/xpdf/download.html > > -- > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org Paul, Many thanks for the reply. No, pdftotext is not what I am looking for. I want a ps or pdf console viewer to see the output from Lout (which is postscript). I have the text - I wrote it :) The laptop I am using works very nicely in the console but creeks a little too much for me under X. Tristan From home@hidden Mon Jan 19 16:31:29 2009 From: home@hidden (home@tristanwilliams.com) Date: Mon Jan 19 17:31:32 2009 Subject: Console based postscript (or pdf) viewer In-Reply-To: <20090117204254.GA10525@gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> <20090117204254.GA10525@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090119163129.GB8547@localhost.localdomain> On 17Jan09 20:42, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 01:58:19PM +0000, home@tristanwilliams.com wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am having a credit crunch inspired retro moment (my laptop has died > > and I am thus forced to use a very old one). Does anyone know of a > > console based postscript (or pdf) viewer that will compile on a modern > > linux distribution (Centos 5)? > > > > Maybe > http://linux.bytesex.org/fbida/ > > Wawrzek > -- > Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN > Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com > PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name > MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl Wawrzek, Many thanks for the reply. fbida sounds like it might be what I am looking for - though I haven't managed to get to compile yet :( Tristan From wawrzek@hidden Fri Jan 23 14:37:03 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri Jan 23 15:37:14 2009 Subject: (More) Help for a Newbie required In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Paul, If you haven't recived any advice I recommend you to check: http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manual-en_How_to_install_SystemRescueCd_on_an_USB-stick Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From tomharling@hidden Sat Jan 24 20:06:45 2009 From: tomharling@hidden (Tom Harling) Date: Sat Jan 24 21:07:02 2009 Subject: Old computer hardware - what to do? Message-ID: <497B74D5.5010605@aol.com> Hi I have some (between 0 to 4 years old) computer hardware which I no longer have use/space for. I was thinking of selling them on eBay, but wondered whether there were other channels I could use to shift everything. Most of the things I have come under cases, water-cooling stuff, some books, laptop wireless cards etc. Since they're not really worth any real money, and the cost for items such as PC cases is a little large for shipping, are there any local channels I can use - I've heard of Freecycle but haven't used it before - does the Uni have anything? Otherwise are there any computer resellers etc. that could have my stuff (Am I right in thinking of Mill Road?)? Thanks Tom From onepoint@hidden Sat Jan 24 21:05:08 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Sat Jan 24 22:05:22 2009 Subject: Old computer hardware - what to do? In-Reply-To: <497B74D5.5010605@aol.com> References: <497B74D5.5010605@aol.com> Message-ID: <20090124210508.GM14210@omphalos.singularity> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 08:06:45PM +0000, Tom Harling wrote: > I've heard of Freecycle but haven't used it before... They're pretty good. Freecycle Cambridge: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cambridgefreecycle/ Also, Red2Green: Reboot: http://www.red2green.org/_reboot.htm Computer Resale: http://www.computerresale.co.uk/ Cambridge Computer Recycling: http://www.cambridge-computer-recycling.co.uk/ Cambridge Used Computer Shop: http://www.cambridgecomputershop.co.uk/ Regards, Jeremy Henty From ejlilley@hidden Mon Jan 26 00:08:11 2009 From: ejlilley@hidden (Edward Lilley) Date: Mon Jan 26 01:08:23 2009 Subject: Old computer hardware - what to do? In-Reply-To: <497B74D5.5010605@aol.com> References: <497B74D5.5010605@aol.com> Message-ID: <1232928491.20872.1.camel@delta.ugnus.uk.eu.org> On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 20:06 +0000, Tom Harling wrote: > Hi > > I have some (between 0 to 4 years old) computer hardware which I no > longer have use/space for. I was thinking of selling them on eBay, but > wondered whether there were other channels I could use to shift > everything. Most of the things I have come under cases, water-cooling > stuff, some books, laptop wireless cards etc. Since they're not really > worth any real money, and the cost for items such as PC cases is a > little large for shipping, are there any local channels I can use - I've > heard of Freecycle but haven't used it before - does the Uni have > anything? Otherwise are there any computer resellers etc. that could > have my stuff (Am I right in thinking of Mill Road?)? > > Thanks > Tom > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org Last week I successfully bought something (a old-ish CPU) via the classified ads section of http://www.avforums.com/ A bit didgy, but cheaper than ebay, and potentially simpler for both buyers and sellers. Edward Lilley From dom@hidden Mon Jan 26 13:59:17 2009 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Mon Jan 26 13:59:35 2009 Subject: Old computer hardware - what to do? In-Reply-To: <20090124210508.GM14210@omphalos.singularity> References: <497B74D5.5010605@aol.com> <20090124210508.GM14210@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <200901261359.18017.dom@latter.org> On Saturday 24 January 2009 22:05:08 Jeremy Henty wrote: > Computer Resale: http://www.computerresale.co.uk/ Resale *never* buy off Jo(e) Public. I believe there's a big notice in the shop window to that effect. You'll only annoy Steve if you go in and ask. To the OP: You can try advertising cruft on cam.misc - if it's less than 5 years old it should still fetch *some* money. Personally I use hardware of this vintage and find that amazingly enough it's just as capable now as it was five years ago. Also the ucam.* groups, although you might have to ask someone nicely to post on your behalf. From clug@hidden Wed Jan 28 10:11:55 2009 From: clug@hidden (Longman) Date: Wed Jan 28 11:12:29 2009 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) Message-ID: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> Hi peeps. I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put the lines into another file. Basically I have a load of Oracle errors in a log file and the file is very big and I am interested in only the errors (file is 700MB but I hope that there are less than 1MB of errors!). Example: ERROR at line 1: ORA-00904: "TIMESTAMP": invalid identifier And something like ? sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt But that will not give me unique errors. Also I'd like to have two lines above the match (like greps -C context option) so that I can see the SQL that failed. Yes that's a lot of wants for a Tuesday :-) From wawrzek@hidden Wed Jan 28 10:31:11 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed Jan 28 11:31:23 2009 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: 2009/1/28 Longman : > > Hi peeps. > > I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put > the lines into another file. Basically I have a load of Oracle errors > in a log file and the file is very big and I am interested in only the > errors (file is 700MB but I hope that there are less than 1MB of errors!). > > Example: > > ERROR at line 1: > ORA-00904: "TIMESTAMP": invalid identifier > > And something like ? > > sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt > [...] > Yes that's a lot of wants for a Tuesday :-) Why not use the grep and redirect it to file? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From simon.andrews@hidden Wed Jan 28 10:32:06 2009 From: simon.andrews@hidden (Simon Andrews) Date: Wed Jan 28 11:32:19 2009 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: On 28 Jan 2009, at 10:11, Longman wrote: > > Hi peeps. > > I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and > put > the lines into another file. Basically I have a load of Oracle errors > in a log file and the file is very big and I am interested in only the > errors (file is 700MB but I hope that there are less than 1MB of > errors!). > > Example: > > ERROR at line 1: > ORA-00904: "TIMESTAMP": invalid identifier > > And something like ? > > sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt > > But that will not give me unique errors. Also I'd like to have two > lines above the match (like greps -C context option) so that I can see > the SQL that failed. How about grep -B 2 ^ORA output.log > errors.txt Simon. From mcconville.steve@hidden Wed Jan 28 10:33:07 2009 From: mcconville.steve@hidden (Steve McConville) Date: Wed Jan 28 11:33:11 2009 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <56652bc0901280233lf066a4coc445be0998dca50c@mail.gmail.com> grep ORA | sort | uniq Will get you unique errors, but won't get you context. 2009/1/28 Longman : > > Hi peeps. > > I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put > the lines into another file. Basically I have a load of Oracle errors > in a log file and the file is very big and I am interested in only the > errors (file is 700MB but I hope that there are less than 1MB of errors!). > > Example: > > ERROR at line 1: > ORA-00904: "TIMESTAMP": invalid identifier > > And something like ? > > sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt > > But that will not give me unique errors. Also I'd like to have two > lines above the match (like greps -C context option) so that I can see > the SQL that failed. > > Yes that's a lot of wants for a Tuesday :-) > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- steev http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/ From mcconville.steve@hidden Wed Jan 28 10:39:43 2009 From: mcconville.steve@hidden (Steve McConville) Date: Wed Jan 28 11:39:48 2009 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <56652bc0901280233lf066a4coc445be0998dca50c@mail.gmail.com> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <56652bc0901280233lf066a4coc445be0998dca50c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <56652bc0901280239t5b7d8715q3f5b5c1676bc86@mail.gmail.com> Actually it's just occurred to me that you could do something like for i in $(grep ^ORA output.log | sort | uniq) ; do grep -B 2 $i output.log | head -n 3 ; done 2009/1/28 Steve McConville : > grep ORA | sort | uniq > > Will get you unique errors, but won't get you context. > > 2009/1/28 Longman : >> >> Hi peeps. >> >> I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put >> the lines into another file. Basically I have a load of Oracle errors >> in a log file and the file is very big and I am interested in only the >> errors (file is 700MB but I hope that there are less than 1MB of errors!). >> >> Example: >> >> ERROR at line 1: >> ORA-00904: "TIMESTAMP": invalid identifier >> >> And something like ? >> >> sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt >> >> But that will not give me unique errors. Also I'd like to have two >> lines above the match (like greps -C context option) so that I can see >> the SQL that failed. >> >> Yes that's a lot of wants for a Tuesday :-) >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug@cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> > > > > -- > steev > http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/ > -- steev http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/ From onepoint@hidden Wed Jan 28 11:00:21 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Wed Jan 28 12:00:34 2009 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:11:55AM +0000, Longman wrote: > sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt > > But that will not give me unique errors. grep '^ORA-' output.log | sort -u > Also I'd like to have two lines above the match (like greps -C > context option) so that I can see the SQL that failed. Sheesh! grep -B 2 '^ORA-' /tmp/output.log | perl -0777 -wne ' my %foo; s|((^.*\n){3})(^.*\n)?|$foo{$1} = 1|gme; print sort keys %foo; ' Regards, Jeremy Henty From tehpeh@hidden Wed Jan 28 11:05:17 2009 From: tehpeh@hidden (Thomas Pircher) Date: Wed Jan 28 12:05:32 2009 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <56652bc0901280239t5b7d8715q3f5b5c1676bc86@mail.gmail.com> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <56652bc0901280233lf066a4coc445be0998dca50c@mail.gmail.com> <56652bc0901280239t5b7d8715q3f5b5c1676bc86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Steve McConville wrote: > Actually it's just occurred to me that you could do something like > > for i in $(grep ^ORA output.log | sort | uniq) ; do grep -B 2 $i > output.log | head -n 3 ; done along the same lines, my version of the script (it might be the slowest of all solutions posted on the list..) The script will group the same errors in a common file. So beware: it will clutter your working directory with files starting with "ORA-..." Thomas #!/bin/awk -f BEGIN { FS=":" line0="" line1="" line2="" } { line0 = line1 line1 = line2 line2 = $0 } /^ORA-/ { file = $1 print "--------------" >> file print line0 >> file print line1 >> file print line2 >> file print "--------------" >> file } From paul+clug@hidden Wed Jan 28 15:01:56 2009 From: paul+clug@hidden (Paul M) Date: Wed Jan 28 16:02:34 2009 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <49807364.6070608@mansfield.co.uk> Longman wrote: > Hi peeps. > > I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put can do it all in a one-liner script in this sort of way cat errorfile | ( read W ; while [ /bin/true ] ; do read X ; echo $X | grep "Error at" > /dev/null ; if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then read Y;echo "$X $Y $W" ; fi ; W="$X" ; done) From clug@hidden Thu Jan 29 09:52:15 2009 From: clug@hidden (Longman) Date: Thu Jan 29 10:52:23 2009 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <49817C4F.6030401@gasops.co.uk> * Jeremy Henty wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:11:55AM +0000, Longman wrote: > >> sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt >> >> But that will not give me unique errors. > > grep '^ORA-' output.log | sort -u > >> Also I'd like to have two lines above the match (like greps -C >> context option) so that I can see the SQL that failed. > > Sheesh! > > grep -B 2 '^ORA-' /tmp/output.log | > perl -0777 -wne ' > my %foo; > s|((^.*\n){3})(^.*\n)?|$foo{$1} = 1|gme; > print sort keys %foo; > ' Couldn't get this to work on my system: grep -B 2 '^ORA-' output.log | perl -0777 -wne ' my %foo; s|((^.*\n){3})(^.*\n)?|$foo{$1} = 1|gme; print sort keys %foo; grep -B 5 '^ORA-' output.log | perl -0777 -wne ' Unquoted string "output" may clash with future reserved word at -e line 5. Unquoted string "perl" may clash with future reserved word at -e line 5. Not enough arguments for grep at -e line 5, at EOF Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors. From james@hidden Thu Jan 29 10:03:18 2009 From: james@hidden (james) Date: Thu Jan 29 11:04:56 2009 Subject: JOB: Permanent Full Stack Web Developer [Kings Cross, London] Message-ID: <1233223398.3425.27.camel@linux-qtk6.site> hi everyone, I'm continuing to work with a client close to Kings X that are now looking to recruit a permanent full stack web developer (this includes front end XHTML, CSS, Javascript) to further develop the clients business platform (web site, kpis, api and accounting) with development also on linguistics after a year. The client expects candidates to a) have an out of work interest in programming, e.g. write articles, blog, open source contributor or active in user groups; b) know 2 or more mainstream programming languages, one of which must be OO. Ruby or PHP experience desirable; c) understand full stack web development experience including Javascript (preferably using Prototype or JQuery) and SQL (with modelling). I'm not looking for someone who necessarily knows how to use web frameworks like cake but who certainly understands the whole database/scripting language stack. Please feel free to contact me off list to discuss further and to ascertain details about potential salary etc. Kind Regards, JAMES . . . . . . >> to learn more about Camalyn please visit http://www.camalyn.org From clug@hidden Thu Jan 29 10:08:56 2009 From: clug@hidden (Longman) Date: Thu Jan 29 11:09:01 2009 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <49818038.2010305@gasops.co.uk> * Jeremy Henty wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:11:55AM +0000, Longman wrote: > >> sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt >> >> But that will not give me unique errors. > > grep '^ORA-' output.log | sort -u This works fine though it then mixes up the errors with the SQL. It first lists the unique oracle messages and then lists the unique SQL. This is OK though as I'm able to whittle down a 256MB log file to just five errors and I can work out which unique SQL goes with which unique ORA message. Thanks to everybody that has replied to this thread. From clug@hidden Thu Jan 29 10:09:36 2009 From: clug@hidden (Longman) Date: Thu Jan 29 11:09:45 2009 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49807364.6070608@mansfield.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <49807364.6070608@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <49818060.2030306@gasops.co.uk> * Paul M wrote: > Longman wrote: >> Hi peeps. >> >> I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put > > can do it all in a one-liner script in this sort of way > > cat errorfile | ( read W ; while [ /bin/true ] ; do read X ; echo $X | > grep "Error at" > /dev/null ; if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then read Y;echo "$X $Y > $W" ; fi ; W="$X" ; done) I shall try this command later just to satisfy my curiosity :) From jt@hidden Thu Jan 29 10:20:24 2009 From: jt@hidden (jt@camalyn.org) Date: Thu Jan 29 11:22:00 2009 Subject: JOB: Permanent Full Stack Web Developer [Kings Cross, London]] Message-ID: <1233224424.3425.33.camel@linux-qtk6.site> ?hi everyone, I'm continuing to work with a client close to Kings X that are now looking to recruit a permanent full stack web developer (this includes front end XHTML, CSS, Javascript) to further develop the clients business platform (web site, kpis, api and accounting) with development also on linguistics after a year. The client expects candidates to a) have an out of work interest in programming, e.g. write articles, blog, open source contributor or active in user groups; b) know 2 or more mainstream programming languages, one of which must be OO. Ruby or PHP experience desirable; c) understand full stack web development experience including Javascript (preferably using Prototype or JQuery) and SQL (with modelling). I'm not looking for someone who necessarily knows how to use web frameworks like cake but who certainly understands the whole database/scripting language stack. Please feel free to contact me off list to discuss further and to ascertain details about potential salary etc. Kind Regards, JAMES . . . . . . >> to learn more about Camalyn please visit http://www.camalyn.org From onepoint@hidden Thu Jan 29 11:31:52 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Thu Jan 29 12:32:03 2009 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49817C4F.6030401@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> <49817C4F.6030401@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090129113152.GA31201@omphalos.singularity> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 09:52:15AM +0000, Longman wrote: > grep -B 2 '^ORA-' output.log | perl -0777 > -wne ' Is that line break an email formatting problem? This should be one line. > my %foo; > s|((^.*\n){3})(^.*\n)?|$foo{$1} = 1|gme; > print sort keys %foo; > grep -B 5 '^ORA-' output.log | perl -0777 -wne ' > Unquoted string "output" may clash with future reserved word at -e line 5. > Unquoted string "perl" may clash with future reserved word at -e line 5. > Not enough arguments for grep at -e line 5, at EOF > Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors. For some reason you're sending the whole command to perl when it should be going to the shell. Those are error messages from the perl compiler, but it should not be seeing the "perl" and "grep" commands. Only the stuff between the two single quotes after the -wne flag is the perl script. Cheers, Jeremy Henty From simon.andrews@hidden Thu Jan 29 11:52:42 2009 From: simon.andrews@hidden (Simon Andrews) Date: Thu Jan 29 12:52:57 2009 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <20090129113152.GA31201@omphalos.singularity> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> <49817C4F.6030401@gasops.co.uk> <20090129113152.GA31201@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <8F3E878D-9546-4736-B4F9-10384E9F3975@bbsrc.ac.uk> Rather than trying to make a one liner to do this I thought I'd knock up a short script. You should be able to either pipe through this, or specify a filename as an argument. It will only show unique errors and will give two lines of context if they are present and less if not. Simon. #!/usr/bin/perl use warnings; use strict; my @buffer; my %seen; while (<>) { unshift @buffer,$_; if (@buffer > 3) { pop @buffer; } if ($buffer[0] =~ /^ORA/) { unless (exists $seen{$buffer[0]}) { $seen{$buffer[0]} = 1; print $buffer[2] if ($buffer[2]); print $buffer[1] if ($buffer[1]); print $buffer[0]; } @buffer = (); } } From paul+clug@hidden Fri Jan 30 12:47:38 2009 From: paul+clug@hidden (Paul M) Date: Fri Jan 30 13:48:13 2009 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49818060.2030306@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <49807364.6070608@mansfield.co.uk> <49818060.2030306@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <4982F6EA.7020401@mansfield.co.uk> Longman wrote: > * Paul M wrote: >> Longman wrote: >>> Hi peeps. >>> >>> I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put >> can do it all in a one-liner script in this sort of way >> >> cat errorfile | ( read W ; while [ /bin/true ] ; do read X ; echo $X | >> grep "Error at" > /dev/null ; if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then read Y;echo "$X $Y >> $W" ; fi ; W="$X" ; done) > > I shall try this command later just to satisfy my curiosity :) did it work? :-) From onepoint@hidden Fri Jan 30 16:09:16 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri Jan 30 17:09:26 2009 Subject: Recommendations: open source project host including mercurial hosting Message-ID: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> The Dillo project is going to move hosts, so we need a good host for an open source project. Current spec: We need email, webserver/CGI/python shell accounts and a DCVS (Hg or Git). CGI is quite useful, but we may use another bugtracker too. We currently use Mercurial at freehg.org but that often performs terribly (the host, not Mercurial itself) and they doesn't offer anything else. TIA for all recommendations, Jeremy Henty From clug@hidden Fri Jan 30 16:12:52 2009 From: clug@hidden (David Thorne) Date: Fri Jan 30 17:13:03 2009 Subject: Recommendations: open source project host including mercurial hosting In-Reply-To: <49832692.3070104@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <49832692.3070104@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <49832704.7090705@the-thornes.co.uk> http://bitbucket.org/ is the github of the hg world as far as I know :) David Thorne wrote: > http://bitbucket.org/ is the github of the hg world as far as I know :) > Jeremy Henty wrote: >> The Dillo project is going to move hosts, so we need a good host for >> an open source project. Current spec: >> >> We need email, webserver/CGI/python shell accounts and a DCVS (Hg >> or Git). CGI is quite useful, but we may use another bugtracker >> too. >> >> We currently use Mercurial at freehg.org but that often performs >> terribly (the host, not Mercurial itself) and they doesn't offer >> anything else. >> >> TIA for all recommendations, >> >> Jeremy Henty >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug@cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> > > From wawrzek@hidden Fri Jan 30 16:41:24 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri Jan 30 17:41:33 2009 Subject: Recommendations: open source project host including mercurial hosting In-Reply-To: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: 2009/1/30 Jeremy Henty : Hi Jeremy Are you from Cambridge? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From onepoint@hidden Fri Jan 30 16:48:02 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri Jan 30 17:48:11 2009 Subject: Recommendations: open source project host including mercurial hosting In-Reply-To: References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 04:41:24PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Are you from Cambridge? Not *originally*, but I've lived here a long time. Why do you ask? Jeremy Henty From wawrzek@hidden Fri Jan 30 16:52:55 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri Jan 30 17:53:09 2009 Subject: Recommendations: open source project host including mercurial hosting In-Reply-To: <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: 2009/1/30 Jeremy Henty : > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 04:41:24PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: >> Are you from Cambridge? > > Not *originally*, but I've lived here a long time. Why do you ask? > I think that starting regular CamLUG meeting will be great think and one of such meeting might be about Dillo with is interesting project. You know I make a list of potential prey ;) Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk Wed Jan 7 14:29:35 2009 From: paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:29:35 +0000 Subject: OT: cambridge monopoly Message-ID: <4964AE3F.9080109@mansfield.co.uk> a bit off-topic, but fun! http://www.amazon.co.uk/Winning-Moves-Cambridge-Monopoly/dp/B0007LQ17I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys&qid=1231334929&sr=8-1 From magnus at therning.org Wed Jan 7 14:45:40 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:45:40 +0000 Subject: OT: cambridge monopoly In-Reply-To: <4964AE3F.9080109@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4964AE3F.9080109@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Paul M wrote: > a bit off-topic, but fun! > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Winning-Moves-Cambridge-Monopoly/dp/B0007LQ17I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys&qid=1231334929&sr=8-1 I believe that can be found at the local tourist information centre. Probably at an instant-gratification premium, but that's just to be expected. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From gareth.pullen at gmail.com Wed Jan 7 15:04:05 2009 From: gareth.pullen at gmail.com (Gareth Pullen) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:04:05 +0000 Subject: OT: cambridge monopoly In-Reply-To: References: <4964AE3F.9080109@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: 2009/1/7 Magnus Therning : > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Paul M wrote: >> a bit off-topic, but fun! >> >> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Winning-Moves-Cambridge-Monopoly/dp/B0007LQ17I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys&qid=1231334929&sr=8-1 > > I believe that can be found at the local tourist information centre. > Probably at an instant-gratification premium, but that's just to be > expected. > The Cambs WHSmith (by the market) also sells it (well, it did when I worked there a couple of years ago, they sold out within 2 hours of being released, so I'd be surprised if they've dropped it already). Gareth. From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Wed Jan 7 17:04:11 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:04:11 +0000 Subject: OT: cambridge monopoly In-Reply-To: References: <4964AE3F.9080109@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090107160411.GB2803@weber> On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 02:04:05PM +0000, Gareth Pullen wrote: > 2009/1/7 Magnus Therning : > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Paul M wrote: > >> a bit off-topic, but fun! > >> > >> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Winning-Moves-Cambridge-Monopoly/dp/B0007LQ17I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys&qid=1231334929&sr=8-1 > > > > I believe that can be found at the local tourist information centre. > > Probably at an instant-gratification premium, but that's just to be > > expected. > > The Cambs WHSmith (by the market) also sells it (well, it did when I > worked there a couple of years ago, they sold out within 2 hours of > being released, so I'd be surprised if they've dropped it already). I've got one of these (unopened I think) if someone wants it in return for a donation to charity. Tom From dom at latter.org Thu Jan 8 09:51:57 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:51:57 +0100 Subject: OT: cambridge monopoly In-Reply-To: References: <4964AE3F.9080109@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <200901080951.57674.dom@latter.org> On Wednesday 07 January 2009 14:45:40 Magnus Therning wrote: > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Paul M wrote: > > a bit off-topic, but fun! > > > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Winning-Moves-Cambridge-Monopoly/dp/B0007LQ17I/re > >f=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys&qid=1231334929&sr=8-1 > > I believe that can be found at the local tourist information centre. Which is where it belongs. A *proper* Cambridge Monopoly board would include Mill Road, at the least, and probably Gwydir Street as well, amongst other omissions. AFAIK this version doesn't, but includes "street names" like "Duxford" and "King's College Chapel". Que? From jt at camalyn.org Thu Jan 8 11:07:58 2009 From: jt at camalyn.org (jt at camalyn.org) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:07:58 +0000 Subject: JOB: Technical Manager [London, close to Kings X] Message-ID: <1231409278.4478.32.camel@linux-qtk6.site> ?hi everyone, I am recruiting for an on-line web related/ focused client close to Kings Cross (London) that has been using agile and extreme programming since they were formed and as a result their roles include pairing time with other sysadmins, developers and management. They mainly develop using php, ruby (and ruby on rails) and are a 100% linux shop. ? Offering an informal dress style (tie free zone) they are looking to recruit a Technical Manager to provide cohesion between development and commercial and unify the development team toward common goals. Most of what they do hasn't been done before so they are very much a learning company! I'd be very interested to hear from anybody who might be interested specifically from those that ideally have at least 2-3 years in a paradigm (oo, functional or relational) and exposure to agile, 2+ languages. This isn't a programming role but that said it is entirely possible that they would like you to occasionally do some coding. You should have enough programming experience under your belt to be able to easily identify bad code, and of course good code. Should anybody be interested in discussing with me further please e-mail me on james at camalyn.org All the best for the new year. JAMES www.camalyn.org From pmpbw at hotmail.com Thu Jan 8 14:21:58 2009 From: pmpbw at hotmail.com (Paul Williams) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:21:58 +0000 Subject: Help with Linpus required. Message-ID: Hi Can anyone help me overcome the "internal error - failed to initialize HAL!" problem that I have on my Acer Aspire ONE netbook which is running Linpus Linux Lite V1.0.3.E? At the moment the computer is unable to connect to the internet and does not recognize any USB periferals. Even if I could, I don't want to resinstall the operating system, if I can possibly avoid it, because to do so would wipe out my documents. Paul _________________________________________________________________ Are you a PC?? Upload your PC story and show the world http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465942/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090108/dc566879/attachment-0001.htm From wawrzek at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 15:01:14 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:01:14 +0000 Subject: Help with Linpus required. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/1/8 Paul Williams Hi, > [...] > At the moment the computer is unable to connect to the internet and does > not recognize any USB periferals. > Even if I could, I don't want to resinstall the operating system, if I can > possibly avoid it, because to do so would wipe out my documents. > Have you considered to boot the machine using Linux on USB stick? I don't know if it works with Aspire ONE. It gives you opportuninty to backup your documents before trying diffrent fixes? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090108/f47e1ec4/attachment-0002.htm From paul at the-hug.org Thu Jan 8 15:48:09 2009 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:48:09 +0000 Subject: Help with Linpus required. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49661229.7050404@the-hug.org> On 08/01/09 13:21, Paul Williams wrote: > Can anyone help me overcome the "internal error - failed to initialize > HAL!" problem that I have on my Acer Aspire ONE netbook which is running > Linpus Linux Lite V1.0.3.E? > At the moment the computer is unable to connect to the internet and does > not recognize any USB periferals. As Wawrzek says using USB stick (or CD-ROM) to boot Linux might be a good start to at least get your documents backed up. After that the next step is to look at the log files in /var/log - you'll often find much more informative messages there as to what's going on and where the errors are occurring. -- Paul From marcus at quintic.co.uk Thu Jan 8 17:16:33 2009 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:16:33 +0000 Subject: Strange network problems... Message-ID: <496626E1.2070202@quintic.co.uk> Hi - Anyone any good at diagnosing network problems? :) We've started to get really odd network problems at work. It feels like a NAT problem but I havnt really got a clue as I cant track it down. The easiest way to reproduce it is from a browser - I can be happily googling when suddenly I'll get back an error from google saying my request wasnt understood. The strange thing about this is it appears to be someone elses request to a different site if that makes sense. So google is getting an HTTP request for something like /myspace/photo.jpg or a mangled version of my request. Whats worse is occasionally these requests do work - so I can go to some random website and get an image back as the response (google.com the other day returned its favicon as the response for the root page, our netgear router returned one its css files in one of the admin frames on its page). In other network tools its not as obvious (slow/broken connections etc) because you dont actually see the response as such, but its definitely happening. Switching to a different ADSL line doesnt fix it so I dont think its internet provider related. There dont appear to be any errors reported on the gateway NICs. Anyone any ideas how to track it down? Marcus From wawrzek at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 23:35:07 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:35:07 +0000 Subject: Help with Linpus required. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, This is the example how to boot from USB stick [1]: Reboot your Aspire One with the USB stick in one of its USB sockets. When you see the BIOS screen, hit F12 to select the USB stick as the boot device. This will cause the Aspire One to boot the Debian installer from the USB stick. And here [2] the advice how to change system to Ubuntu [2]. Probably you can also use Puppet or other 'small' linux to create live usb stick and use it to backup your files. Wawrzek [1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne#head-85b6a329e872056bc79873468cd2247b170eaf9c [2] http://www.aspireoneuser.com/2008/08/14/acer-aspire-one-ubuntu-netbook/ -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090108/a4d371f1/attachment-0002.htm From mcconville.steve at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 23:52:36 2009 From: mcconville.steve at gmail.com (Steve McConville) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:52:36 +0000 Subject: Help with Linpus required. In-Reply-To: <49661229.7050404@the-hug.org> References: <49661229.7050404@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <56652bc0901081452x6cf3766ak26af0daa445806da@mail.gmail.com> I agree the most urgent thing to do if you have un-backed-up documents which you wish to keep on it is to back them up as soon as possible. We know that USB and ethernet/wi-fi is not working, what about the SD card slot? If it's also not functioning then Wawrzek's approach of booting from a usb-disk using a small linux distribution is probably the best way to get them off. Could you tell us when you see the "internal error - failed to initialize HAL!" message? And any other messages that take place just before or afterwards? This last one may be a tall order, but if you could provide the contents of the /var/log/messages file? 2009/1/8 Paul Oldham : > On 08/01/09 13:21, Paul Williams wrote: > >> Can anyone help me overcome the "internal error - failed to initialize >> HAL!" problem that I have on my Acer Aspire ONE netbook which is running >> Linpus Linux Lite V1.0.3.E? >> At the moment the computer is unable to connect to the internet and does >> not recognize any USB periferals. > > As Wawrzek says using USB stick (or CD-ROM) to boot Linux might be a good > start to at least get your documents backed up. > > After that the next step is to look at the log files in /var/log - you'll > often find much more informative messages there as to what's going on and > where the errors are occurring. > > -- > Paul > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- steev http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/ From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 00:12:19 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 23:12:19 +0000 Subject: New Year new webpage? Message-ID: Hi, I think it is good time to finally change CamLUG website? Could you remind me what is the status of the works? AFAIR we needed some more content (some text, some images). Could we make a list of lacking elements? (And people wanting to help of course). Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090108/421914d9/attachment-0002.htm From marcus at quintic.co.uk Fri Jan 9 13:10:52 2009 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:10:52 +0000 Subject: Strange network problems... In-Reply-To: <496626E1.2070202@quintic.co.uk> References: <496626E1.2070202@quintic.co.uk> Message-ID: <49673ECC.6010202@quintic.co.uk> On 08/01/2009 16:16, Marcus Williams wrote: > We've started to get really odd network problems at work. It feels like > a NAT problem but I havnt really got a clue as I cant track it down. The > easiest way to reproduce it is from a browser - I can be happily > googling when suddenly I'll get back an error from google saying my > request wasnt understood. The strange thing about this is it appears to > be someone elses request to a different site if that makes sense. So > google is getting an HTTP request for something like /myspace/photo.jpg > or a mangled version of my request. A more concrete example - one of our java apps talks to a pop3 server on our network (via port 110). Every now and again we're getting this exception (with a different Unexpected response message each time): javax.mail.MessagingException: Connect failed; nested exception is: java.io.IOException: Unexpected response: GET /search?q=pdf2ps&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GFRD_en-GB HTTP/1.1 at com.sun.mail.pop3.POP3Store.protocolConnect(POP3Store.java:161) at javax.mail.Service.connect(Service.java:288) at javax.mail.Service.connect(Service.java:169) at com.kyaksystems.ICTModelTool.Server.EMailClient.run(EMailClient.java:81) ... so in this case the POP3 connection somehow got the search request for pdf2ps from a different machine. Still no clue whats causing it. Marcus From dom at latter.org Fri Jan 9 15:50:45 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:50:45 +0100 Subject: Strange network problems... In-Reply-To: <49673ECC.6010202@quintic.co.uk> References: <496626E1.2070202@quintic.co.uk> <49673ECC.6010202@quintic.co.uk> Message-ID: <200901091550.46030.dom@latter.org> On Friday 09 January 2009 13:10:52 Marcus Williams wrote: > ... so in this case the POP3 connection somehow got the search request > for pdf2ps from a different machine. > > Still no clue whats causing it. The router, I'd guess. Can you swap it out for another one? What make / model is it? From marcus at quintic.co.uk Fri Jan 9 15:56:16 2009 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:56:16 +0000 Subject: Strange network problems... In-Reply-To: <200901091550.46030.dom@latter.org> References: <496626E1.2070202@quintic.co.uk> <49673ECC.6010202@quintic.co.uk> <200901091550.46030.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <49676590.3040403@quintic.co.uk> On 09/01/2009 14:50, Dom Latter wrote: > The router, I'd guess. Can you swap it out for another one? What make / > model is it? Not sure if it is - we've tried swapping to a different router and see the same thing. Also if you connect a machine to the wireless ap on that router (so its "outside" of our network) the problems appear to stop. It looks like its something on our network, could be the gateway (we have a linux gateway with 3 nics: internal eth, ADSL1 and ADSL2) I guess but we've not had problems with it before. Thanks Marcus From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Fri Jan 9 16:00:36 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:00:36 -0000 Subject: Strange network problems... In-Reply-To: <49676590.3040403@quintic.co.uk> References: <496626E1.2070202@quintic.co.uk> <49673ECC.6010202@quintic.co.uk><200901091550.46030.dom@latter.org> <49676590.3040403@quintic.co.uk> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org > [mailto:clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org] On Behalf Of Marcus Williams > Subject: Re: Strange network problems... > > we've tried swapping to a different > router and see the same thing. Also if you connect a machine > to the wireless ap on that router (so its "outside" of our > network) the problems appear to stop. Could you have duplicate IPs on your network? Maybe a rogue DHCP server or a corrupted arp cache somewhere? Simon. From pmpbw at hotmail.com Wed Jan 14 16:55:07 2009 From: pmpbw at hotmail.com (Paul Williams) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:55:07 +0000 Subject: Please help a newbie with "Failed to intialize HAL!" Message-ID: Hello everybody. Thanks for all the help you gave me last time, helping me to overcome the "internal error - failed to intialize HAL!" problem. I'm getting a bit nearer to getting my machine working again, but right now I'm stuck. Please help I'm trying to copy my files onto my USB memory stick preparatory to reinstalling the operating system, but knowing nothing about Linpus, I don't know how to do it. I inserted the mem stick and then I typed: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mediamount I got this result: /dev/sda1 on / type ext2 (rw) (I was surprised to see sda1 and not sdb1)none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) (what does this "none" mean? What does rw stand for?)none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)none on /sys type sysfs (rw)none on /mnt/home type aufs (rw,si=cd7d0780,xino=/home/user/.aufs.xino,create=mfs,dirs=/home/user=rw)/dev/sdb1 on /media type vfat (rw) (sdb1 is here. What does sdb stand for?) Then I typed cd /medialsI got a list of the files on my USB memory stick This is a major breakthrough, since my machine does not show the USB memory stick or the SD memory card when I click on Advanced mode in Files.But I don't know how to copy my files to the media.I tried sudo cp /Documents /mediaand I got cp: cannot stat '/Documents': No such file or directory I tried cd /homecp /Documents /mediabut I got this result again: cp: cannot stat '/Documents': No such file or directory How do I get back to my files which are at My Disk:///Documents/Spreadsheets ?Will I be able to copy over whole folders or do I have to copy each file separately? Can anybody help me? Please don't take any knowledge for granted, but rather tell me exactly what I should type. Many thanks Paul Williams _________________________________________________________________ Imagine a life without walls.? See the possibilities http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465943/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090114/71e0f48f/attachment-0001.htm From wawrzek at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 17:07:27 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:07:27 +0000 Subject: Please help a newbie with "Failed to intialize HAL!" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/1/14 Paul Williams [...] > > /dev/sdb1 on /media type vfat > (rw) (sdb1 is here. What does > sdb stand for?) > /dev is catalogue with files symbolising all devices (DEVices) connect to the machine (less or more). sdb1 consist from 3 parts: sd - was reserve to SCSI disk no is state for any hard drive (in most case) b - means second drive connected 1 - first partition on this drive (You might want to check documents like this one: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04) > > > Then I typed cd /media > ls > I got a list of the files on my USB memory stick > > This is a major breakthrough, since my machine does not show the USB memory > stick or the SD memory card when I click on Advanced mode in Files. > But I don't know how to copy my files to the media. > I tried > > sudo cp /Documents /media > and I got cp: cannot stat '/Documents': No such file or directory > '/' - in the path symbolize the root of the system. All path start from it, but I'm pretty sure that Documents directory is not located in '/'. I.e. my home directory is /home/niewod (on Mac it will be /Users/niewod) So please try cd /home ls check if you have any names, let say XXX cp /home/XXX/Documents /media or something similar. I hope it might be a bit helpful. -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090114/8d2a38c3/attachment-0002.htm From dom at latter.org Wed Jan 14 17:59:20 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:59:20 +0100 Subject: Please help a newbie with "Failed to intialize HAL!" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200901141759.20768.dom@latter.org> On Wednesday 14 January 2009 16:55:07 Paul Williams wrote: > Can anybody help me? Please don't take any knowledge for granted, but > rather tell me exactly what I should type. Many thanks As Wawrzek says, I think you'll find your files somewhere inside /home/user. (Yes, that literally is user, not a username such as, say, paul). If you use the "ls -l" command you get a longer listing, which shows file sizes and other useful info, like this: drwxr-xr-x 2 dom dom 240 2007-02-20 01:00 styles -rw-r--r-- 1 dom dom 4799 2008-01-22 14:14 terms.php The lines beginning with a 'd' are directories (i.e. folders in Windows speak). Having found your Documents folder / directory, do something like this: "mkdir /media/backup" "cp -r /home/user/Documents /media/backup" From ejlilley at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 01:20:33 2009 From: ejlilley at gmail.com (Edward Lilley) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:20:33 +0000 Subject: Bizarre IPv6 problem Message-ID: <1231978833.7862.8.camel@delta.ugnus.uk.eu.org> I'm having a rather odd issue with IPv6 here. This is my setup: [computers in LAN] -- [router] -- [rest of IPv6 internet] The router knows my IPv6-subnet, and assigns all he computers a globally-unique IPv6 address, and all computers in the LAN can talk to each other and to the router over IPv6. That's all working fine. The only problem is, a computer in the LAN can only connect to an IPv6 host beyond the router (e.g. ipv6.google.com) if it is constantly maintaining a connection to the router itself -- otherwise "ping6 ipv6.google.com" just hangs indefinitely. So if I run "ping6 " I can then do ping6, HTTP over IPv6, &c. to sites like ipv6.google.com with no problems. (at the moment I just leave "ping6 &" running in the background all the time). This only seems to effects gnu/linux boxes on the lan (ubuntu & fedora), not WinXP ones which have had IPv6 enabled. I suspect it is some weird IP-related sysctl setting that I haven't found yet, but it's somewhat strange. Any thoughts on how to resolve it without the kludgy ping6-in-background hack? Thanks in advance for any suggestions, Edward Lilley From pmpbw at hotmail.com Thu Jan 15 01:37:27 2009 From: pmpbw at hotmail.com (Paul Williams) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:37:27 +0000 Subject: Many thanks Message-ID: Grateful thanks to William, Dom and to Wawrzyniec for your brilliant help. From each of your replies I got some very useful information, and have now managed to save my valuable files - and somehow during the process, the "Internal error - failed to initialize HAL!" problem seems to have disappeared! At least, that error message hasn't popped up, and the machine now sees USBs and memory cards, and it tries to connect to the internet. None of this was happening before. I still have a lot of corrupted files, so I'll try reinstalling Linpus Lite, and I shall probably be asking for your help again. Many thanks for what you have done for me already. Paul _________________________________________________________________ Cut through the jargon: find a PC for your needs. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090115/f3011e6e/attachment-0002.htm From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Jan 16 23:52:33 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza???ski) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:52:33 +0000 Subject: Help with Linpus required. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090116225215.GA6683@gmail.com> Hi, On more link related to the subject: http://osnews.com/story/20743/Eeebuntu_2_0_SD_Card_Installation_on_the_Aspire_One Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza???ski vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Jan 16 23:55:59 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (Wawrzyniec =?unknown-8bit?Q?Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:55:59 +0000 Subject: Many thanks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090116225558.GC6683@gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:37:27AM +0000, Paul Williams wrote: Hi, > Grateful thanks to William, Dom and to Wawrzyniec for your brilliant help. Grate that we could help you. > From > each of your replies I got some very useful information, and have now managed > to save my valuable files [...] This is the way you can learn Linux. Every small bit of Knowledge ;) Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From alastair at altrux.me.uk Sat Jan 17 01:55:04 2009 From: alastair at altrux.me.uk (Alastair Stevens) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:55:04 +0000 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? Message-ID: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> Hi All - I'm looking for feedback on the latest versions of Fedora Linux, from people who use it every day and who are keen on systems that "Just Work". This isn't a game any more; although I've been using Linux full-time for 7 years (and part-time for over 10 years), I'm beginning to lose my rag and starting to lust after the Windows 7 beta.... Somebody help me! I love Linux, and have fought to advocate it for years, with relatively little success. But now my smugness and superiority is coming back to smack me in the face. It's 2009 now, and I have a computer that still can't do many of things that my old Celeron 466 machine with Windows 2000 could do in, er, 2000. My demands are not onerous: I just want a CD player that can, for example, play CDs without crashing on track 2; and a broader sound system that can, er, play sounds without crashing every 23 hours and requiring a reboot to make sound work again. And a mail system that can, er, read and send mail without creating a stuck process that *cannot be killed* and sucks 100% of one CPU until a reboot (Dovecot developers, are you listening?) Is it Linux, or is it just Ubuntu? I've always regarded Fedora as a funky but unusable (for production) beta project ... but perhaps it's time my views changed? Or even better, I should be a good boy and use rock solid Debian 'stable' and stop whinging? I still feel I'd be sunk without the raw power and flexibility that Linux offers. But despite getting ever more powerful, it also seems to be getting ever more *flakey*, and I can no longer tolerate that. Where do I go next? Cheers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090117/7f10126c/attachment-0001.htm From dom at latter.org Sat Jan 17 02:16:02 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 02:16:02 +0100 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200901170216.03256.dom@latter.org> On Saturday 17 January 2009 01:55:04 Alastair Stevens wrote: [snip woe] > Is it Linux, or is it just Ubuntu? It might be your hardware. What is it? How old is it? Apart from that... I know what you mean. The "guest" laptop here is now on Ubuntu 8.10 -and the wifi is broken. I've tried the various fixes that I've found on the net, but no joy. No worries, I'll try a Fedora hat on instead... From magnus at therning.org Sat Jan 17 08:00:49 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:00:49 +0000 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49718221.8090401@therning.org> Alastair Stevens wrote: > Hi All - I'm looking for feedback on the latest versions of Fedora > Linux, from people who use it every day and who are keen on systems that > "Just Work". This isn't a game any more; although I've been using Linux > full-time for 7 years (and part-time for over 10 years), I'm beginning > to lose my rag and starting to lust after the Windows 7 beta.... > [..] > > Is it Linux, or is it just Ubuntu? I've always regarded Fedora as a > funky but unusable (for production) beta project ... but perhaps it's > time my views changed? Or even better, I should be a good boy and use > rock solid Debian 'stable' and stop whinging? I'd give Debian Etch a go. Also, keep in mind that switching from Linux to Windows in reality will mean switching one set of problems for another. IMO it all comes down to what environment you are most comfortable with troubleshooting. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus Haskell is an even 'redder' pill than Lisp or Scheme. -- PaulPotts -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090117/f8dd120e/attachment.pgp From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sat Jan 17 10:56:12 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:56:12 +0000 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <49718221.8090401@therning.org> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> Message-ID: <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 07:00:49AM +0000, Magnus Therning wrote: > I'd give Debian Etch a go. Second that. Debian doesn't "just work" because you have to spend a little while setting it up the way you'd want -- but then it never "just breaks". From thierry at glossolalie.org Sat Jan 17 11:02:55 2009 From: thierry at glossolalie.org (Thierry Sayegh De Bellis) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:02:55 +0100 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4971ACCF.5020301@glossolalie.org> Alastair Stevens a ?crit : > Hi All - I'm looking for feedback on the latest versions of Fedora > Linux, from people who use it every day and who are keen on systems > that "Just Work". This isn't a game any more; although I've been using > Linux full-time for 7 years (and part-time for over 10 years), I'm > beginning to lose my rag and starting to lust after the Windows 7 beta.... [snip] ***disclaimer: been working in red hat shops for too many years to count and hold a current rhce so it is my comfort zone*** Been using red hat in one form or another since rh 5.x back in the days were they did not have this whole enterprise model thing. I moved to Fedora when it was beta and been using it ever since without massive glitches, when I had an issue it has always been hardware related. I do not tend to buy the latest and greatest hence driver issues sometimes, maybe 3 times over the last 7 years. my desktop is Fedora but if it's server related I'd use rhel or centos as the release cycles are too fast for production servers IMHO. you'll find yourself wanting to enable extra 3rd party repositories if you want the fullness of multimedia but it's easy enough. Personally i do not use the fancy desktop effects i just want an efficient, no eye candy desktop so never looked at these stuff. The one thing I avoid like the plague in Fedora is NetworkManager but your experience may vary, a simple look on the mailing list shows wildly disparate experiences with this piece of software. Am not a point and click person so will be in a Terminal most of the time so no graphical client for ftp et al. A server for me comes with no GUI. Probably worth mentioning. So fedora on a desktop - defo yes, on a server, I use CentOS happy to discuss further if you have any questions hth Thierry From alspnost at gmail.com Sat Jan 17 12:16:24 2009 From: alspnost at gmail.com (Alastair Stevens) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:16:24 +0000 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> Message-ID: <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/17 Tom Ellis > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 07:00:49AM +0000, Magnus Therning wrote: > > I'd give Debian Etch a go. > > Second that. Debian doesn't "just work" because you have to spend a little > while setting it up the way you'd want -- but then it never "just breaks". > _______________________________________________ Thanks Tom - yes, I think you've hit on the key point there. What's really getting me is the *Just Breaks* aspect. I hopefully have enough knowledge and experience to get things working and setup correctly, but then I just want them to *stay* that way. When things just randomly break, I start to wallow in despair. And in just the last two weeks, an Ubuntu kernel upgrade broke my graphics, my sound randomly stops working (pulseaudio blues?), the various Gnome media apps seem to have become flakier than ever (Rhythmbox mainly), Dovecot has gone feral, and so on... Perhaps it's just "Ubuntu x.10" syndrome - I always found the .10 releases much flakier than the .04 releases (including LTS versions obviously). And interestingly, this was first version that I *upgraded* to, rather than clean-installed. But no-one likes taking a step backwards, eh :-) But perhaps I need to take a small step back from the almost-bleeding edge. In hardware terms, I'm on a common-as-muck modern Dell machine (Core 2 Duo, Intel board etc), indeed one of the very models on which Dell ships Ubuntu pre-installed. So I'm fairly certain my hardware is rock solid. Heck, it even runs Vi$ta smoothly, not that I ever use it.... Anyway, sorry for the drunken rant, but it really was just seriously getting to me last night :-) CHeers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From home at tristanwilliams.com Sat Jan 17 14:58:19 2009 From: home at tristanwilliams.com (home at tristanwilliams.com) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:58:19 +0000 Subject: Console based postscript (or pdf) viewer In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I am having a credit crunch inspired retro moment (my laptop has died and I am thus forced to use a very old one). Does anyone know of a console based postscript (or pdf) viewer that will compile on a modern linux distribution (Centos 5)? Tristan From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sat Jan 17 15:09:09 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:09:09 +0000 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090117140909.GA8811@weber> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:16:24AM +0000, Alastair Stevens wrote: > 2009/1/17 Tom Ellis > > > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 07:00:49AM +0000, Magnus Therning wrote: > > > I'd give Debian Etch a go. > > > > Second that. Debian doesn't "just work" because you have to spend a little > > while setting it up the way you'd want -- but then it never "just breaks". > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks Tom - yes, I think you've hit on the key point there. What's > really getting me is the *Just Breaks* aspect. I hopefully have enough > knowledge and experience to get things working and setup correctly, > but then I just want them to *stay* that way. When things just > randomly break, I start to wallow in despair. Then Debian's the distro for you I think. If you want any help getting it set up feel free to post here and I'll be happy to help. I don't know much about KDE, GNOME and other "consumer" style environments, mind you. Tom From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Sat Jan 17 15:10:31 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:10:31 +0000 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4971ACCF.5020301@glossolalie.org> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <4971ACCF.5020301@glossolalie.org> Message-ID: <4971E6D7.7050107@the-thornes.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thierry Sayegh De Bellis wrote: - --- Snip --- > > > > So fedora on a desktop - defo yes, on a server, I use CentOS > > I second this. I have a combination of both Ubuntu and Fedora on my home PCs/laptops (As it happens my desktop is usually Ubuntu and my laptop usually Fedora due to the slightly lower memory requirements of Gnome on Fedora - 198 versus 256 on Fedora 9 Vs 8.04) Fedora 10 is an amazing distro - Fedora have recently up'ed the ante with Ubuntu in superb style. Linux Format gave Fedora 10 10/10 and Linux Magazine gave it a very favourable review too. There are a few niggles on Fedora that I don't like (Running full Sun Java isn't easy if you wish to use it as a default JVM for instance, and some of the Eclipse plugins I use don't like OpenJDK, GCJ or similar) and there is always the difficulties of being able to install a media player but not automagically having MP3 codecs, but on the whole This isn't too hard to over come with additional repositories as already mentioned. Ubuntu makes it very easy to install proprietary drivers (Indeed the article at http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3796126/The-Secret-Lives-of-Ubuntu-and-Debian-Users.htm seems to suggest that 86% use proprietary NVidia drivers.) It depends on what your opinion is on proprietary software on Linux. Both Red Hat (Inc.Fedora) and Debian do their best to stick to FOSS standards in their default install - indeed on Fedora 9, even if you have installed mplayer - if you try to watch a WMA video it will take you to a page where you can pay for drivers to view it. I haven't tried to watch a WMA in Fedora 10 yet - I try to avoid the WMA standard where ever possible! Fedora on a desktop is now a superb choice. Can I suggest though if you aren't sure, run a virtual machine (VirtualBox has both open and closed source versions, although the most open are probably KVM/Xen with QEMU or similar) of Fedora on your Ubuntu box and try it "exclusivly" (IE open the VM and run that) for a few days and see if everything works to your liking. I am tempted to ditch my Intrepid install for a Fedora 10 and just run Ubuntu in VMs from now on, but I won't stop using either distro. They both do what I need them too although they can take some fiddling to get there for certain aspects. Regards, Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJcebW8Kgbjjz5/z8RAqTjAJ99wcV1hek6EFXuX+ChSE3IbiJoSwCdEh4e sEg5QBoq/RmKKCmXN9TIszQ= =5UMA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sat Jan 17 16:38:44 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:38:44 +0000 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <32850.142.104.193.193.1221994692.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> References: <32850.142.104.193.193.1221994692.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Message-ID: <20090117153844.GA11672@weber> After Software Freedom Day in September I took home the remaining Ubuntu 8.04 CDs, of which there were about fifty. I've only just got round to putting them in the mail room of my college, so that people can pick them up for free. I thought, since it was so old, that there wouldn't be much interest but actually the CDs all went within a couple of days. When I get some time I might write to ShipIt and ask them to send me loads so I can get friends to leave them in other colleges too. Tom From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Sat Jan 17 19:29:59 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:29:59 +0000 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <20090117153844.GA11672@weber> References: <32850.142.104.193.193.1221994692.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <20090117153844.GA11672@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450901171029i10bcf0b3ic5bbb0ba6323205@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/17 Tom Ellis > When I get some time I might write to ShipIt and ask them to send me loads > so I can get friends to leave them in other colleges too. Good call, Tom. If ShipIt send you enough, give me a batch next time I see you and I'll put them out at Emma. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But now I'm having KVM troubles (this used to work!). 17 alastair at xutopia64:~> sudo modprobe kvm-intel FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.27-10gt/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko): Operation not supported Does anyone know why this is failing? I'm running on an Intel Core 2 machine with VT and virtualisation *is* enabled in the BIOS (which is also the latest version). This is all on a 2.6.27-custom kernel under 64-bit Ubuntu. Sigh, another thing that seems to have "Just Broken" :-) Cheers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From paul at the-hug.org Sat Jan 17 21:35:27 2009 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:35:27 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Console based postscript (or pdf) viewer In-Reply-To: <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2464.192.168.2.100.1232224527.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> On Sat, January 17, 2009 13:58, home at tristanwilliams.com said: > I am having a credit crunch inspired retro moment (my laptop has died > and I am thus forced to use a very old one). Does anyone know of a > console based postscript (or pdf) viewer that will compile on a modern > linux distribution (Centos 5)? Did you mean something like pdftotext - that's part of xpdf which you can get from here http://www.foolabs.com/xpdf/download.html -- Paul From wawrzek at gmail.com Sat Jan 17 21:42:55 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (Wawrzyniec =?utf-8?Q?Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:42:55 +0000 Subject: Console based postscript (or pdf) viewer In-Reply-To: <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090117204254.GA10525@gmail.com> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 01:58:19PM +0000, home at tristanwilliams.com wrote: > Hi, > > I am having a credit crunch inspired retro moment (my laptop has died > and I am thus forced to use a very old one). Does anyone know of a > console based postscript (or pdf) viewer that will compile on a modern > linux distribution (Centos 5)? > Maybe http://linux.bytesex.org/fbida/ Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From paul at peck.org.uk Mon Jan 19 13:18:05 2009 From: paul at peck.org.uk (Paul Hardwick) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:18:05 +0000 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4971E6D7.7050107@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <4971ACCF.5020301@glossolalie.org> <4971E6D7.7050107@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <49746F7D.609@peck.org.uk> David Thorne wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Thierry Sayegh De Bellis wrote: > - --- Snip --- > >>> So fedora on a desktop - defo yes, on a server, I use CentOS >>> >>> > > I second this. I have a combination of both Ubuntu and Fedora on my > home PCs/laptops (As it happens my desktop is usually Ubuntu and my > laptop usually Fedora due to the slightly lower memory requirements of > Gnome on Fedora - 198 versus 256 on Fedora 9 Vs 8.04) > > Fedora 10 is an amazing distro - Fedora have recently up'ed the ante > with Ubuntu in superb style. Linux Format gave Fedora 10 10/10 and > Linux Magazine gave it a very favourable review too. > > There are a few niggles on Fedora that I don't like (Running full Sun > Java isn't easy if you wish to use it as a default JVM for instance, and > some of the Eclipse plugins I use don't like OpenJDK, GCJ or similar) > and there is always the difficulties of being able to install a media > player but not automagically having MP3 codecs, but on the whole This > isn't too hard to over come with additional repositories as already > mentioned. Ubuntu makes it very easy to install proprietary drivers > (Indeed the article at > http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3796126/The-Secret-Lives-of-Ubuntu-and-Debian-Users.htm > seems to suggest that 86% use proprietary NVidia drivers.) It depends on > what your opinion is on proprietary software on Linux. Both Red Hat > (Inc.Fedora) and Debian do their best to stick to FOSS standards in > their default install - indeed on Fedora 9, even if you have installed > mplayer - if you try to watch a WMA video it will take you to a page > where you can pay for drivers to view it. I haven't tried to watch a > WMA in Fedora 10 yet - I try to avoid the WMA standard where ever possible! > > Fedora on a desktop is now a superb choice. Can I suggest though if you > aren't sure, run a virtual machine (VirtualBox has both open and closed > source versions, although the most open are probably KVM/Xen with QEMU > or similar) of Fedora on your Ubuntu box and try it "exclusivly" (IE > open the VM and run that) for a few days and see if everything works to > your liking. > > I am tempted to ditch my Intrepid install for a Fedora 10 and just run > Ubuntu in VMs from now on, but I won't stop using either distro. They > both do what I need them too although they can take some fiddling to get > there for certain aspects. > > Regards, > Dave > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFJcebW8Kgbjjz5/z8RAqTjAJ99wcV1hek6EFXuX+ChSE3IbiJoSwCdEh4e > sEg5QBoq/RmKKCmXN9TIszQ= > =5UMA > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > I run both Fedora 10 and Ubuntu Intrepid on 2 machines each. I get frustrated that the update with Fedora seems to break with unresolvable dependencies frequently with no obvious way of working around it and I end up leaving that distro for some time. On the other hand Ubuntu keeps updating and breaking my Atheros 5007 driver - but work arounds have been posted. Paul H From pmpbw at hotmail.com Mon Jan 19 17:00:33 2009 From: pmpbw at hotmail.com (Paul Williams) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:00:33 +0000 Subject: (More) Help for a Newbie required Message-ID: Can you tell me, step by step, how to make a USB recovery disk? I'm using Linpus Linux Lite v1.0.3 E on my Acer Aspire ONE. Many thanks Paul Williams _________________________________________________________________ Cut through the jargon: find a PC for your needs. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090119/034ac98a/attachment-0001.htm From home at tristanwilliams.com Mon Jan 19 17:29:08 2009 From: home at tristanwilliams.com (home at tristanwilliams.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:29:08 +0000 Subject: Console based postscript (or pdf) viewer In-Reply-To: <2464.192.168.2.100.1232224527.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> <2464.192.168.2.100.1232224527.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> Message-ID: <20090119162908.GA8547@localhost.localdomain> On 17Jan09 20:35, Paul Oldham wrote: > > On Sat, January 17, 2009 13:58, home at tristanwilliams.com said: > > > I am having a credit crunch inspired retro moment (my laptop has died > > and I am thus forced to use a very old one). Does anyone know of a > > console based postscript (or pdf) viewer that will compile on a modern > > linux distribution (Centos 5)? > > Did you mean something like pdftotext - that's part of xpdf which you can > get from here http://www.foolabs.com/xpdf/download.html > > -- > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org Paul, Many thanks for the reply. No, pdftotext is not what I am looking for. I want a ps or pdf console viewer to see the output from Lout (which is postscript). I have the text - I wrote it :) The laptop I am using works very nicely in the console but creeks a little too much for me under X. Tristan From home at tristanwilliams.com Mon Jan 19 17:31:29 2009 From: home at tristanwilliams.com (home at tristanwilliams.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:31:29 +0000 Subject: Console based postscript (or pdf) viewer In-Reply-To: <20090117204254.GA10525@gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> <20090117204254.GA10525@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090119163129.GB8547@localhost.localdomain> On 17Jan09 20:42, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 01:58:19PM +0000, home at tristanwilliams.com wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am having a credit crunch inspired retro moment (my laptop has died > > and I am thus forced to use a very old one). Does anyone know of a > > console based postscript (or pdf) viewer that will compile on a modern > > linux distribution (Centos 5)? > > > > Maybe > http://linux.bytesex.org/fbida/ > > Wawrzek > -- > Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN > Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com > PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name > MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl Wawrzek, Many thanks for the reply. fbida sounds like it might be what I am looking for - though I haven't managed to get to compile yet :( Tristan From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Jan 23 15:37:03 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:37:03 +0000 Subject: (More) Help for a Newbie required In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Paul, If you haven't recived any advice I recommend you to check: http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manual-en_How_to_install_SystemRescueCd_on_an_USB-stick Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From tomharling at aol.com Sat Jan 24 21:06:45 2009 From: tomharling at aol.com (Tom Harling) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:06:45 +0000 Subject: Old computer hardware - what to do? Message-ID: <497B74D5.5010605@aol.com> Hi I have some (between 0 to 4 years old) computer hardware which I no longer have use/space for. I was thinking of selling them on eBay, but wondered whether there were other channels I could use to shift everything. Most of the things I have come under cases, water-cooling stuff, some books, laptop wireless cards etc. Since they're not really worth any real money, and the cost for items such as PC cases is a little large for shipping, are there any local channels I can use - I've heard of Freecycle but haven't used it before - does the Uni have anything? Otherwise are there any computer resellers etc. that could have my stuff (Am I right in thinking of Mill Road?)? Thanks Tom From onepoint at starurchin.org Sat Jan 24 22:05:08 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:05:08 +0000 Subject: Old computer hardware - what to do? In-Reply-To: <497B74D5.5010605@aol.com> References: <497B74D5.5010605@aol.com> Message-ID: <20090124210508.GM14210@omphalos.singularity> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 08:06:45PM +0000, Tom Harling wrote: > I've heard of Freecycle but haven't used it before... They're pretty good. Freecycle Cambridge: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cambridgefreecycle/ Also, Red2Green: Reboot: http://www.red2green.org/_reboot.htm Computer Resale: http://www.computerresale.co.uk/ Cambridge Computer Recycling: http://www.cambridge-computer-recycling.co.uk/ Cambridge Used Computer Shop: http://www.cambridgecomputershop.co.uk/ Regards, Jeremy Henty From ejlilley at gmail.com Mon Jan 26 01:08:11 2009 From: ejlilley at gmail.com (Edward Lilley) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 00:08:11 +0000 Subject: Old computer hardware - what to do? In-Reply-To: <497B74D5.5010605@aol.com> References: <497B74D5.5010605@aol.com> Message-ID: <1232928491.20872.1.camel@delta.ugnus.uk.eu.org> On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 20:06 +0000, Tom Harling wrote: > Hi > > I have some (between 0 to 4 years old) computer hardware which I no > longer have use/space for. I was thinking of selling them on eBay, but > wondered whether there were other channels I could use to shift > everything. Most of the things I have come under cases, water-cooling > stuff, some books, laptop wireless cards etc. Since they're not really > worth any real money, and the cost for items such as PC cases is a > little large for shipping, are there any local channels I can use - I've > heard of Freecycle but haven't used it before - does the Uni have > anything? Otherwise are there any computer resellers etc. that could > have my stuff (Am I right in thinking of Mill Road?)? > > Thanks > Tom > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org Last week I successfully bought something (a old-ish CPU) via the classified ads section of http://www.avforums.com/ A bit didgy, but cheaper than ebay, and potentially simpler for both buyers and sellers. Edward Lilley From dom at latter.org Mon Jan 26 13:59:17 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:59:17 +0100 Subject: Old computer hardware - what to do? In-Reply-To: <20090124210508.GM14210@omphalos.singularity> References: <497B74D5.5010605@aol.com> <20090124210508.GM14210@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <200901261359.18017.dom@latter.org> On Saturday 24 January 2009 22:05:08 Jeremy Henty wrote: > Computer Resale: http://www.computerresale.co.uk/ Resale *never* buy off Jo(e) Public. I believe there's a big notice in the shop window to that effect. You'll only annoy Steve if you go in and ask. To the OP: You can try advertising cruft on cam.misc - if it's less than 5 years old it should still fetch *some* money. Personally I use hardware of this vintage and find that amazingly enough it's just as capable now as it was five years ago. Also the ucam.* groups, although you might have to ask someone nicely to post on your behalf. From clug at gasops.co.uk Wed Jan 28 11:11:55 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:11:55 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) Message-ID: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> Hi peeps. I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put the lines into another file. Basically I have a load of Oracle errors in a log file and the file is very big and I am interested in only the errors (file is 700MB but I hope that there are less than 1MB of errors!). Example: ERROR at line 1: ORA-00904: "TIMESTAMP": invalid identifier And something like ? sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt But that will not give me unique errors. Also I'd like to have two lines above the match (like greps -C context option) so that I can see the SQL that failed. Yes that's a lot of wants for a Tuesday :-) From wawrzek at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 11:31:11 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:31:11 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: 2009/1/28 Longman : > > Hi peeps. > > I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put > the lines into another file. Basically I have a load of Oracle errors > in a log file and the file is very big and I am interested in only the > errors (file is 700MB but I hope that there are less than 1MB of errors!). > > Example: > > ERROR at line 1: > ORA-00904: "TIMESTAMP": invalid identifier > > And something like ? > > sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt > [...] > Yes that's a lot of wants for a Tuesday :-) Why not use the grep and redirect it to file? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Wed Jan 28 11:32:06 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:32:06 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: On 28 Jan 2009, at 10:11, Longman wrote: > > Hi peeps. > > I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and > put > the lines into another file. Basically I have a load of Oracle errors > in a log file and the file is very big and I am interested in only the > errors (file is 700MB but I hope that there are less than 1MB of > errors!). > > Example: > > ERROR at line 1: > ORA-00904: "TIMESTAMP": invalid identifier > > And something like ? > > sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt > > But that will not give me unique errors. Also I'd like to have two > lines above the match (like greps -C context option) so that I can see > the SQL that failed. How about grep -B 2 ^ORA output.log > errors.txt Simon. From mcconville.steve at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 11:33:07 2009 From: mcconville.steve at gmail.com (Steve McConville) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:33:07 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <56652bc0901280233lf066a4coc445be0998dca50c@mail.gmail.com> grep ORA | sort | uniq Will get you unique errors, but won't get you context. 2009/1/28 Longman : > > Hi peeps. > > I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put > the lines into another file. Basically I have a load of Oracle errors > in a log file and the file is very big and I am interested in only the > errors (file is 700MB but I hope that there are less than 1MB of errors!). > > Example: > > ERROR at line 1: > ORA-00904: "TIMESTAMP": invalid identifier > > And something like ? > > sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt > > But that will not give me unique errors. Also I'd like to have two > lines above the match (like greps -C context option) so that I can see > the SQL that failed. > > Yes that's a lot of wants for a Tuesday :-) > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- steev http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/ From mcconville.steve at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 11:39:43 2009 From: mcconville.steve at gmail.com (Steve McConville) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:39:43 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <56652bc0901280233lf066a4coc445be0998dca50c@mail.gmail.com> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <56652bc0901280233lf066a4coc445be0998dca50c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <56652bc0901280239t5b7d8715q3f5b5c1676bc86@mail.gmail.com> Actually it's just occurred to me that you could do something like for i in $(grep ^ORA output.log | sort | uniq) ; do grep -B 2 $i output.log | head -n 3 ; done 2009/1/28 Steve McConville : > grep ORA | sort | uniq > > Will get you unique errors, but won't get you context. > > 2009/1/28 Longman : >> >> Hi peeps. >> >> I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put >> the lines into another file. Basically I have a load of Oracle errors >> in a log file and the file is very big and I am interested in only the >> errors (file is 700MB but I hope that there are less than 1MB of errors!). >> >> Example: >> >> ERROR at line 1: >> ORA-00904: "TIMESTAMP": invalid identifier >> >> And something like ? >> >> sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt >> >> But that will not give me unique errors. Also I'd like to have two >> lines above the match (like greps -C context option) so that I can see >> the SQL that failed. >> >> Yes that's a lot of wants for a Tuesday :-) >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug at cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> > > > > -- > steev > http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/ > -- steev http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/ From onepoint at starurchin.org Wed Jan 28 12:00:21 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:00:21 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:11:55AM +0000, Longman wrote: > sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt > > But that will not give me unique errors. grep '^ORA-' output.log | sort -u > Also I'd like to have two lines above the match (like greps -C > context option) so that I can see the SQL that failed. Sheesh! grep -B 2 '^ORA-' /tmp/output.log | perl -0777 -wne ' my %foo; s|((^.*\n){3})(^.*\n)?|$foo{$1} = 1|gme; print sort keys %foo; ' Regards, Jeremy Henty From tehpeh at gmx.net Wed Jan 28 12:05:17 2009 From: tehpeh at gmx.net (Thomas Pircher) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:05:17 -0000 (GMT) Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <56652bc0901280239t5b7d8715q3f5b5c1676bc86@mail.gmail.com> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <56652bc0901280233lf066a4coc445be0998dca50c@mail.gmail.com> <56652bc0901280239t5b7d8715q3f5b5c1676bc86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Steve McConville wrote: > Actually it's just occurred to me that you could do something like > > for i in $(grep ^ORA output.log | sort | uniq) ; do grep -B 2 $i > output.log | head -n 3 ; done along the same lines, my version of the script (it might be the slowest of all solutions posted on the list..) The script will group the same errors in a common file. So beware: it will clutter your working directory with files starting with "ORA-..." Thomas #!/bin/awk -f BEGIN { FS=":" line0="" line1="" line2="" } { line0 = line1 line1 = line2 line2 = $0 } /^ORA-/ { file = $1 print "--------------" >> file print line0 >> file print line1 >> file print line2 >> file print "--------------" >> file } From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Wed Jan 28 16:01:56 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:01:56 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <49807364.6070608@mansfield.co.uk> Longman wrote: > Hi peeps. > > I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put can do it all in a one-liner script in this sort of way cat errorfile | ( read W ; while [ /bin/true ] ; do read X ; echo $X | grep "Error at" > /dev/null ; if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then read Y;echo "$X $Y $W" ; fi ; W="$X" ; done) From clug at gasops.co.uk Thu Jan 29 10:52:15 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:52:15 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <49817C4F.6030401@gasops.co.uk> * Jeremy Henty wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:11:55AM +0000, Longman wrote: > >> sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt >> >> But that will not give me unique errors. > > grep '^ORA-' output.log | sort -u > >> Also I'd like to have two lines above the match (like greps -C >> context option) so that I can see the SQL that failed. > > Sheesh! > > grep -B 2 '^ORA-' /tmp/output.log | > perl -0777 -wne ' > my %foo; > s|((^.*\n){3})(^.*\n)?|$foo{$1} = 1|gme; > print sort keys %foo; > ' Couldn't get this to work on my system: grep -B 2 '^ORA-' output.log | perl -0777 -wne ' my %foo; s|((^.*\n){3})(^.*\n)?|$foo{$1} = 1|gme; print sort keys %foo; grep -B 5 '^ORA-' output.log | perl -0777 -wne ' Unquoted string "output" may clash with future reserved word at -e line 5. Unquoted string "perl" may clash with future reserved word at -e line 5. Not enough arguments for grep at -e line 5, at EOF Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors. From james at camalyn.org Thu Jan 29 11:03:18 2009 From: james at camalyn.org (james) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:03:18 +0000 Subject: JOB: Permanent Full Stack Web Developer [Kings Cross, London] Message-ID: <1233223398.3425.27.camel@linux-qtk6.site> hi everyone, I'm continuing to work with a client close to Kings X that are now looking to recruit a permanent full stack web developer (this includes front end XHTML, CSS, Javascript) to further develop the clients business platform (web site, kpis, api and accounting) with development also on linguistics after a year. The client expects candidates to a) have an out of work interest in programming, e.g. write articles, blog, open source contributor or active in user groups; b) know 2 or more mainstream programming languages, one of which must be OO. Ruby or PHP experience desirable; c) understand full stack web development experience including Javascript (preferably using Prototype or JQuery) and SQL (with modelling). I'm not looking for someone who necessarily knows how to use web frameworks like cake but who certainly understands the whole database/scripting language stack. Please feel free to contact me off list to discuss further and to ascertain details about potential salary etc. Kind Regards, JAMES . . . . . . >> to learn more about Camalyn please visit http://www.camalyn.org From clug at gasops.co.uk Thu Jan 29 11:08:56 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:08:56 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <49818038.2010305@gasops.co.uk> * Jeremy Henty wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:11:55AM +0000, Longman wrote: > >> sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt >> >> But that will not give me unique errors. > > grep '^ORA-' output.log | sort -u This works fine though it then mixes up the errors with the SQL. It first lists the unique oracle messages and then lists the unique SQL. This is OK though as I'm able to whittle down a 256MB log file to just five errors and I can work out which unique SQL goes with which unique ORA message. Thanks to everybody that has replied to this thread. From clug at gasops.co.uk Thu Jan 29 11:09:36 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:09:36 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49807364.6070608@mansfield.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <49807364.6070608@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <49818060.2030306@gasops.co.uk> * Paul M wrote: > Longman wrote: >> Hi peeps. >> >> I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put > > can do it all in a one-liner script in this sort of way > > cat errorfile | ( read W ; while [ /bin/true ] ; do read X ; echo $X | > grep "Error at" > /dev/null ; if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then read Y;echo "$X $Y > $W" ; fi ; W="$X" ; done) I shall try this command later just to satisfy my curiosity :) From jt at camalyn.org Thu Jan 29 11:20:24 2009 From: jt at camalyn.org (jt at camalyn.org) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:20:24 +0000 Subject: JOB: Permanent Full Stack Web Developer [Kings Cross, London]] Message-ID: <1233224424.3425.33.camel@linux-qtk6.site> ?hi everyone, I'm continuing to work with a client close to Kings X that are now looking to recruit a permanent full stack web developer (this includes front end XHTML, CSS, Javascript) to further develop the clients business platform (web site, kpis, api and accounting) with development also on linguistics after a year. The client expects candidates to a) have an out of work interest in programming, e.g. write articles, blog, open source contributor or active in user groups; b) know 2 or more mainstream programming languages, one of which must be OO. Ruby or PHP experience desirable; c) understand full stack web development experience including Javascript (preferably using Prototype or JQuery) and SQL (with modelling). I'm not looking for someone who necessarily knows how to use web frameworks like cake but who certainly understands the whole database/scripting language stack. Please feel free to contact me off list to discuss further and to ascertain details about potential salary etc. Kind Regards, JAMES . . . . . . >> to learn more about Camalyn please visit http://www.camalyn.org From onepoint at starurchin.org Thu Jan 29 12:31:52 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:31:52 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49817C4F.6030401@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> <49817C4F.6030401@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090129113152.GA31201@omphalos.singularity> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 09:52:15AM +0000, Longman wrote: > grep -B 2 '^ORA-' output.log | perl -0777 > -wne ' Is that line break an email formatting problem? This should be one line. > my %foo; > s|((^.*\n){3})(^.*\n)?|$foo{$1} = 1|gme; > print sort keys %foo; > grep -B 5 '^ORA-' output.log | perl -0777 -wne ' > Unquoted string "output" may clash with future reserved word at -e line 5. > Unquoted string "perl" may clash with future reserved word at -e line 5. > Not enough arguments for grep at -e line 5, at EOF > Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors. For some reason you're sending the whole command to perl when it should be going to the shell. Those are error messages from the perl compiler, but it should not be seeing the "perl" and "grep" commands. Only the stuff between the two single quotes after the -wne flag is the perl script. Cheers, Jeremy Henty From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Thu Jan 29 12:52:42 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:52:42 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <20090129113152.GA31201@omphalos.singularity> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> <49817C4F.6030401@gasops.co.uk> <20090129113152.GA31201@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <8F3E878D-9546-4736-B4F9-10384E9F3975@bbsrc.ac.uk> Rather than trying to make a one liner to do this I thought I'd knock up a short script. You should be able to either pipe through this, or specify a filename as an argument. It will only show unique errors and will give two lines of context if they are present and less if not. Simon. #!/usr/bin/perl use warnings; use strict; my @buffer; my %seen; while (<>) { unshift @buffer,$_; if (@buffer > 3) { pop @buffer; } if ($buffer[0] =~ /^ORA/) { unless (exists $seen{$buffer[0]}) { $seen{$buffer[0]} = 1; print $buffer[2] if ($buffer[2]); print $buffer[1] if ($buffer[1]); print $buffer[0]; } @buffer = (); } } From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Fri Jan 30 13:47:38 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:47:38 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49818060.2030306@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <49807364.6070608@mansfield.co.uk> <49818060.2030306@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <4982F6EA.7020401@mansfield.co.uk> Longman wrote: > * Paul M wrote: >> Longman wrote: >>> Hi peeps. >>> >>> I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put >> can do it all in a one-liner script in this sort of way >> >> cat errorfile | ( read W ; while [ /bin/true ] ; do read X ; echo $X | >> grep "Error at" > /dev/null ; if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then read Y;echo "$X $Y >> $W" ; fi ; W="$X" ; done) > > I shall try this command later just to satisfy my curiosity :) did it work? :-) From onepoint at starurchin.org Fri Jan 30 17:09:16 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:09:16 +0000 Subject: Recommendations: open source project host including mercurial hosting Message-ID: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> The Dillo project is going to move hosts, so we need a good host for an open source project. Current spec: We need email, webserver/CGI/python shell accounts and a DCVS (Hg or Git). CGI is quite useful, but we may use another bugtracker too. We currently use Mercurial at freehg.org but that often performs terribly (the host, not Mercurial itself) and they doesn't offer anything else. TIA for all recommendations, Jeremy Henty From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Fri Jan 30 17:12:52 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:12:52 +0000 Subject: Recommendations: open source project host including mercurial hosting In-Reply-To: <49832692.3070104@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <49832692.3070104@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <49832704.7090705@the-thornes.co.uk> http://bitbucket.org/ is the github of the hg world as far as I know :) David Thorne wrote: > http://bitbucket.org/ is the github of the hg world as far as I know :) > Jeremy Henty wrote: >> The Dillo project is going to move hosts, so we need a good host for >> an open source project. Current spec: >> >> We need email, webserver/CGI/python shell accounts and a DCVS (Hg >> or Git). CGI is quite useful, but we may use another bugtracker >> too. >> >> We currently use Mercurial at freehg.org but that often performs >> terribly (the host, not Mercurial itself) and they doesn't offer >> anything else. >> >> TIA for all recommendations, >> >> Jeremy Henty >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug at cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> > > From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 17:41:24 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:41:24 +0000 Subject: Recommendations: open source project host including mercurial hosting In-Reply-To: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: 2009/1/30 Jeremy Henty : Hi Jeremy Are you from Cambridge? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From onepoint at starurchin.org Fri Jan 30 17:48:02 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:48:02 +0000 Subject: Recommendations: open source project host including mercurial hosting In-Reply-To: References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 04:41:24PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Are you from Cambridge? Not *originally*, but I've lived here a long time. Why do you ask? Jeremy Henty From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 17:52:55 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:52:55 +0000 Subject: Recommendations: open source project host including mercurial hosting In-Reply-To: <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: 2009/1/30 Jeremy Henty : > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 04:41:24PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: >> Are you from Cambridge? > > Not *originally*, but I've lived here a long time. Why do you ask? > I think that starting regular CamLUG meeting will be great think and one of such meeting might be about Dillo with is interesting project. You know I make a list of potential prey ;) Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk Wed Jan 7 14:29:35 2009 From: paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:29:35 +0000 Subject: OT: cambridge monopoly Message-ID: <4964AE3F.9080109@mansfield.co.uk> a bit off-topic, but fun! http://www.amazon.co.uk/Winning-Moves-Cambridge-Monopoly/dp/B0007LQ17I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys&qid=1231334929&sr=8-1 From magnus at therning.org Wed Jan 7 14:45:40 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:45:40 +0000 Subject: OT: cambridge monopoly In-Reply-To: <4964AE3F.9080109@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4964AE3F.9080109@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Paul M wrote: > a bit off-topic, but fun! > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Winning-Moves-Cambridge-Monopoly/dp/B0007LQ17I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys&qid=1231334929&sr=8-1 I believe that can be found at the local tourist information centre. Probably at an instant-gratification premium, but that's just to be expected. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From gareth.pullen at gmail.com Wed Jan 7 15:04:05 2009 From: gareth.pullen at gmail.com (Gareth Pullen) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 14:04:05 +0000 Subject: OT: cambridge monopoly In-Reply-To: References: <4964AE3F.9080109@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: 2009/1/7 Magnus Therning : > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Paul M wrote: >> a bit off-topic, but fun! >> >> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Winning-Moves-Cambridge-Monopoly/dp/B0007LQ17I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys&qid=1231334929&sr=8-1 > > I believe that can be found at the local tourist information centre. > Probably at an instant-gratification premium, but that's just to be > expected. > The Cambs WHSmith (by the market) also sells it (well, it did when I worked there a couple of years ago, they sold out within 2 hours of being released, so I'd be surprised if they've dropped it already). Gareth. From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Wed Jan 7 17:04:11 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:04:11 +0000 Subject: OT: cambridge monopoly In-Reply-To: References: <4964AE3F.9080109@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090107160411.GB2803@weber> On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 02:04:05PM +0000, Gareth Pullen wrote: > 2009/1/7 Magnus Therning : > > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Paul M wrote: > >> a bit off-topic, but fun! > >> > >> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Winning-Moves-Cambridge-Monopoly/dp/B0007LQ17I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys&qid=1231334929&sr=8-1 > > > > I believe that can be found at the local tourist information centre. > > Probably at an instant-gratification premium, but that's just to be > > expected. > > The Cambs WHSmith (by the market) also sells it (well, it did when I > worked there a couple of years ago, they sold out within 2 hours of > being released, so I'd be surprised if they've dropped it already). I've got one of these (unopened I think) if someone wants it in return for a donation to charity. Tom From dom at latter.org Thu Jan 8 09:51:57 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:51:57 +0100 Subject: OT: cambridge monopoly In-Reply-To: References: <4964AE3F.9080109@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <200901080951.57674.dom@latter.org> On Wednesday 07 January 2009 14:45:40 Magnus Therning wrote: > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Paul M wrote: > > a bit off-topic, but fun! > > > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Winning-Moves-Cambridge-Monopoly/dp/B0007LQ17I/re > >f=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys&qid=1231334929&sr=8-1 > > I believe that can be found at the local tourist information centre. Which is where it belongs. A *proper* Cambridge Monopoly board would include Mill Road, at the least, and probably Gwydir Street as well, amongst other omissions. AFAIK this version doesn't, but includes "street names" like "Duxford" and "King's College Chapel". Que? From jt at camalyn.org Thu Jan 8 11:07:58 2009 From: jt at camalyn.org (jt at camalyn.org) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:07:58 +0000 Subject: JOB: Technical Manager [London, close to Kings X] Message-ID: <1231409278.4478.32.camel@linux-qtk6.site> ?hi everyone, I am recruiting for an on-line web related/ focused client close to Kings Cross (London) that has been using agile and extreme programming since they were formed and as a result their roles include pairing time with other sysadmins, developers and management. They mainly develop using php, ruby (and ruby on rails) and are a 100% linux shop. ? Offering an informal dress style (tie free zone) they are looking to recruit a Technical Manager to provide cohesion between development and commercial and unify the development team toward common goals. Most of what they do hasn't been done before so they are very much a learning company! I'd be very interested to hear from anybody who might be interested specifically from those that ideally have at least 2-3 years in a paradigm (oo, functional or relational) and exposure to agile, 2+ languages. This isn't a programming role but that said it is entirely possible that they would like you to occasionally do some coding. You should have enough programming experience under your belt to be able to easily identify bad code, and of course good code. Should anybody be interested in discussing with me further please e-mail me on james at camalyn.org All the best for the new year. JAMES www.camalyn.org From pmpbw at hotmail.com Thu Jan 8 14:21:58 2009 From: pmpbw at hotmail.com (Paul Williams) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:21:58 +0000 Subject: Help with Linpus required. Message-ID: Hi Can anyone help me overcome the "internal error - failed to initialize HAL!" problem that I have on my Acer Aspire ONE netbook which is running Linpus Linux Lite V1.0.3.E? At the moment the computer is unable to connect to the internet and does not recognize any USB periferals. Even if I could, I don't want to resinstall the operating system, if I can possibly avoid it, because to do so would wipe out my documents. Paul _________________________________________________________________ Are you a PC?? Upload your PC story and show the world http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465942/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090108/dc566879/attachment-0002.htm From wawrzek at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 15:01:14 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:01:14 +0000 Subject: Help with Linpus required. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/1/8 Paul Williams Hi, > [...] > At the moment the computer is unable to connect to the internet and does > not recognize any USB periferals. > Even if I could, I don't want to resinstall the operating system, if I can > possibly avoid it, because to do so would wipe out my documents. > Have you considered to boot the machine using Linux on USB stick? I don't know if it works with Aspire ONE. It gives you opportuninty to backup your documents before trying diffrent fixes? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090108/f47e1ec4/attachment-0003.htm From paul at the-hug.org Thu Jan 8 15:48:09 2009 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:48:09 +0000 Subject: Help with Linpus required. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49661229.7050404@the-hug.org> On 08/01/09 13:21, Paul Williams wrote: > Can anyone help me overcome the "internal error - failed to initialize > HAL!" problem that I have on my Acer Aspire ONE netbook which is running > Linpus Linux Lite V1.0.3.E? > At the moment the computer is unable to connect to the internet and does > not recognize any USB periferals. As Wawrzek says using USB stick (or CD-ROM) to boot Linux might be a good start to at least get your documents backed up. After that the next step is to look at the log files in /var/log - you'll often find much more informative messages there as to what's going on and where the errors are occurring. -- Paul From marcus at quintic.co.uk Thu Jan 8 17:16:33 2009 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:16:33 +0000 Subject: Strange network problems... Message-ID: <496626E1.2070202@quintic.co.uk> Hi - Anyone any good at diagnosing network problems? :) We've started to get really odd network problems at work. It feels like a NAT problem but I havnt really got a clue as I cant track it down. The easiest way to reproduce it is from a browser - I can be happily googling when suddenly I'll get back an error from google saying my request wasnt understood. The strange thing about this is it appears to be someone elses request to a different site if that makes sense. So google is getting an HTTP request for something like /myspace/photo.jpg or a mangled version of my request. Whats worse is occasionally these requests do work - so I can go to some random website and get an image back as the response (google.com the other day returned its favicon as the response for the root page, our netgear router returned one its css files in one of the admin frames on its page). In other network tools its not as obvious (slow/broken connections etc) because you dont actually see the response as such, but its definitely happening. Switching to a different ADSL line doesnt fix it so I dont think its internet provider related. There dont appear to be any errors reported on the gateway NICs. Anyone any ideas how to track it down? Marcus From wawrzek at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 23:35:07 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:35:07 +0000 Subject: Help with Linpus required. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, This is the example how to boot from USB stick [1]: Reboot your Aspire One with the USB stick in one of its USB sockets. When you see the BIOS screen, hit F12 to select the USB stick as the boot device. This will cause the Aspire One to boot the Debian installer from the USB stick. And here [2] the advice how to change system to Ubuntu [2]. Probably you can also use Puppet or other 'small' linux to create live usb stick and use it to backup your files. Wawrzek [1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne#head-85b6a329e872056bc79873468cd2247b170eaf9c [2] http://www.aspireoneuser.com/2008/08/14/acer-aspire-one-ubuntu-netbook/ -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090108/a4d371f1/attachment-0003.htm From mcconville.steve at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 23:52:36 2009 From: mcconville.steve at gmail.com (Steve McConville) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:52:36 +0000 Subject: Help with Linpus required. In-Reply-To: <49661229.7050404@the-hug.org> References: <49661229.7050404@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <56652bc0901081452x6cf3766ak26af0daa445806da@mail.gmail.com> I agree the most urgent thing to do if you have un-backed-up documents which you wish to keep on it is to back them up as soon as possible. We know that USB and ethernet/wi-fi is not working, what about the SD card slot? If it's also not functioning then Wawrzek's approach of booting from a usb-disk using a small linux distribution is probably the best way to get them off. Could you tell us when you see the "internal error - failed to initialize HAL!" message? And any other messages that take place just before or afterwards? This last one may be a tall order, but if you could provide the contents of the /var/log/messages file? 2009/1/8 Paul Oldham : > On 08/01/09 13:21, Paul Williams wrote: > >> Can anyone help me overcome the "internal error - failed to initialize >> HAL!" problem that I have on my Acer Aspire ONE netbook which is running >> Linpus Linux Lite V1.0.3.E? >> At the moment the computer is unable to connect to the internet and does >> not recognize any USB periferals. > > As Wawrzek says using USB stick (or CD-ROM) to boot Linux might be a good > start to at least get your documents backed up. > > After that the next step is to look at the log files in /var/log - you'll > often find much more informative messages there as to what's going on and > where the errors are occurring. > > -- > Paul > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- steev http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/ From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 00:12:19 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 23:12:19 +0000 Subject: New Year new webpage? Message-ID: Hi, I think it is good time to finally change CamLUG website? Could you remind me what is the status of the works? AFAIR we needed some more content (some text, some images). Could we make a list of lacking elements? (And people wanting to help of course). Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090108/421914d9/attachment-0003.htm From marcus at quintic.co.uk Fri Jan 9 13:10:52 2009 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:10:52 +0000 Subject: Strange network problems... In-Reply-To: <496626E1.2070202@quintic.co.uk> References: <496626E1.2070202@quintic.co.uk> Message-ID: <49673ECC.6010202@quintic.co.uk> On 08/01/2009 16:16, Marcus Williams wrote: > We've started to get really odd network problems at work. It feels like > a NAT problem but I havnt really got a clue as I cant track it down. The > easiest way to reproduce it is from a browser - I can be happily > googling when suddenly I'll get back an error from google saying my > request wasnt understood. The strange thing about this is it appears to > be someone elses request to a different site if that makes sense. So > google is getting an HTTP request for something like /myspace/photo.jpg > or a mangled version of my request. A more concrete example - one of our java apps talks to a pop3 server on our network (via port 110). Every now and again we're getting this exception (with a different Unexpected response message each time): javax.mail.MessagingException: Connect failed; nested exception is: java.io.IOException: Unexpected response: GET /search?q=pdf2ps&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GFRD_en-GB HTTP/1.1 at com.sun.mail.pop3.POP3Store.protocolConnect(POP3Store.java:161) at javax.mail.Service.connect(Service.java:288) at javax.mail.Service.connect(Service.java:169) at com.kyaksystems.ICTModelTool.Server.EMailClient.run(EMailClient.java:81) ... so in this case the POP3 connection somehow got the search request for pdf2ps from a different machine. Still no clue whats causing it. Marcus From dom at latter.org Fri Jan 9 15:50:45 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:50:45 +0100 Subject: Strange network problems... In-Reply-To: <49673ECC.6010202@quintic.co.uk> References: <496626E1.2070202@quintic.co.uk> <49673ECC.6010202@quintic.co.uk> Message-ID: <200901091550.46030.dom@latter.org> On Friday 09 January 2009 13:10:52 Marcus Williams wrote: > ... so in this case the POP3 connection somehow got the search request > for pdf2ps from a different machine. > > Still no clue whats causing it. The router, I'd guess. Can you swap it out for another one? What make / model is it? From marcus at quintic.co.uk Fri Jan 9 15:56:16 2009 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 14:56:16 +0000 Subject: Strange network problems... In-Reply-To: <200901091550.46030.dom@latter.org> References: <496626E1.2070202@quintic.co.uk> <49673ECC.6010202@quintic.co.uk> <200901091550.46030.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <49676590.3040403@quintic.co.uk> On 09/01/2009 14:50, Dom Latter wrote: > The router, I'd guess. Can you swap it out for another one? What make / > model is it? Not sure if it is - we've tried swapping to a different router and see the same thing. Also if you connect a machine to the wireless ap on that router (so its "outside" of our network) the problems appear to stop. It looks like its something on our network, could be the gateway (we have a linux gateway with 3 nics: internal eth, ADSL1 and ADSL2) I guess but we've not had problems with it before. Thanks Marcus From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Fri Jan 9 16:00:36 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:00:36 -0000 Subject: Strange network problems... In-Reply-To: <49676590.3040403@quintic.co.uk> References: <496626E1.2070202@quintic.co.uk> <49673ECC.6010202@quintic.co.uk><200901091550.46030.dom@latter.org> <49676590.3040403@quintic.co.uk> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org > [mailto:clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org] On Behalf Of Marcus Williams > Subject: Re: Strange network problems... > > we've tried swapping to a different > router and see the same thing. Also if you connect a machine > to the wireless ap on that router (so its "outside" of our > network) the problems appear to stop. Could you have duplicate IPs on your network? Maybe a rogue DHCP server or a corrupted arp cache somewhere? Simon. From pmpbw at hotmail.com Wed Jan 14 16:55:07 2009 From: pmpbw at hotmail.com (Paul Williams) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:55:07 +0000 Subject: Please help a newbie with "Failed to intialize HAL!" Message-ID: Hello everybody. Thanks for all the help you gave me last time, helping me to overcome the "internal error - failed to intialize HAL!" problem. I'm getting a bit nearer to getting my machine working again, but right now I'm stuck. Please help I'm trying to copy my files onto my USB memory stick preparatory to reinstalling the operating system, but knowing nothing about Linpus, I don't know how to do it. I inserted the mem stick and then I typed: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mediamount I got this result: /dev/sda1 on / type ext2 (rw) (I was surprised to see sda1 and not sdb1)none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) (what does this "none" mean? What does rw stand for?)none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)none on /sys type sysfs (rw)none on /mnt/home type aufs (rw,si=cd7d0780,xino=/home/user/.aufs.xino,create=mfs,dirs=/home/user=rw)/dev/sdb1 on /media type vfat (rw) (sdb1 is here. What does sdb stand for?) Then I typed cd /medialsI got a list of the files on my USB memory stick This is a major breakthrough, since my machine does not show the USB memory stick or the SD memory card when I click on Advanced mode in Files.But I don't know how to copy my files to the media.I tried sudo cp /Documents /mediaand I got cp: cannot stat '/Documents': No such file or directory I tried cd /homecp /Documents /mediabut I got this result again: cp: cannot stat '/Documents': No such file or directory How do I get back to my files which are at My Disk:///Documents/Spreadsheets ?Will I be able to copy over whole folders or do I have to copy each file separately? Can anybody help me? Please don't take any knowledge for granted, but rather tell me exactly what I should type. Many thanks Paul Williams _________________________________________________________________ Imagine a life without walls.? See the possibilities http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465943/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090114/71e0f48f/attachment-0002.htm From wawrzek at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 17:07:27 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:07:27 +0000 Subject: Please help a newbie with "Failed to intialize HAL!" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/1/14 Paul Williams [...] > > /dev/sdb1 on /media type vfat > (rw) (sdb1 is here. What does > sdb stand for?) > /dev is catalogue with files symbolising all devices (DEVices) connect to the machine (less or more). sdb1 consist from 3 parts: sd - was reserve to SCSI disk no is state for any hard drive (in most case) b - means second drive connected 1 - first partition on this drive (You might want to check documents like this one: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04) > > > Then I typed cd /media > ls > I got a list of the files on my USB memory stick > > This is a major breakthrough, since my machine does not show the USB memory > stick or the SD memory card when I click on Advanced mode in Files. > But I don't know how to copy my files to the media. > I tried > > sudo cp /Documents /media > and I got cp: cannot stat '/Documents': No such file or directory > '/' - in the path symbolize the root of the system. All path start from it, but I'm pretty sure that Documents directory is not located in '/'. I.e. my home directory is /home/niewod (on Mac it will be /Users/niewod) So please try cd /home ls check if you have any names, let say XXX cp /home/XXX/Documents /media or something similar. I hope it might be a bit helpful. -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090114/8d2a38c3/attachment-0003.htm From dom at latter.org Wed Jan 14 17:59:20 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:59:20 +0100 Subject: Please help a newbie with "Failed to intialize HAL!" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200901141759.20768.dom@latter.org> On Wednesday 14 January 2009 16:55:07 Paul Williams wrote: > Can anybody help me? Please don't take any knowledge for granted, but > rather tell me exactly what I should type. Many thanks As Wawrzek says, I think you'll find your files somewhere inside /home/user. (Yes, that literally is user, not a username such as, say, paul). If you use the "ls -l" command you get a longer listing, which shows file sizes and other useful info, like this: drwxr-xr-x 2 dom dom 240 2007-02-20 01:00 styles -rw-r--r-- 1 dom dom 4799 2008-01-22 14:14 terms.php The lines beginning with a 'd' are directories (i.e. folders in Windows speak). Having found your Documents folder / directory, do something like this: "mkdir /media/backup" "cp -r /home/user/Documents /media/backup" From ejlilley at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 01:20:33 2009 From: ejlilley at gmail.com (Edward Lilley) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:20:33 +0000 Subject: Bizarre IPv6 problem Message-ID: <1231978833.7862.8.camel@delta.ugnus.uk.eu.org> I'm having a rather odd issue with IPv6 here. This is my setup: [computers in LAN] -- [router] -- [rest of IPv6 internet] The router knows my IPv6-subnet, and assigns all he computers a globally-unique IPv6 address, and all computers in the LAN can talk to each other and to the router over IPv6. That's all working fine. The only problem is, a computer in the LAN can only connect to an IPv6 host beyond the router (e.g. ipv6.google.com) if it is constantly maintaining a connection to the router itself -- otherwise "ping6 ipv6.google.com" just hangs indefinitely. So if I run "ping6 " I can then do ping6, HTTP over IPv6, &c. to sites like ipv6.google.com with no problems. (at the moment I just leave "ping6 &" running in the background all the time). This only seems to effects gnu/linux boxes on the lan (ubuntu & fedora), not WinXP ones which have had IPv6 enabled. I suspect it is some weird IP-related sysctl setting that I haven't found yet, but it's somewhat strange. Any thoughts on how to resolve it without the kludgy ping6-in-background hack? Thanks in advance for any suggestions, Edward Lilley From pmpbw at hotmail.com Thu Jan 15 01:37:27 2009 From: pmpbw at hotmail.com (Paul Williams) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:37:27 +0000 Subject: Many thanks Message-ID: Grateful thanks to William, Dom and to Wawrzyniec for your brilliant help. From each of your replies I got some very useful information, and have now managed to save my valuable files - and somehow during the process, the "Internal error - failed to initialize HAL!" problem seems to have disappeared! At least, that error message hasn't popped up, and the machine now sees USBs and memory cards, and it tries to connect to the internet. None of this was happening before. I still have a lot of corrupted files, so I'll try reinstalling Linpus Lite, and I shall probably be asking for your help again. Many thanks for what you have done for me already. Paul _________________________________________________________________ Cut through the jargon: find a PC for your needs. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090115/f3011e6e/attachment-0003.htm From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Jan 16 23:52:33 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza???ski) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:52:33 +0000 Subject: Help with Linpus required. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090116225215.GA6683@gmail.com> Hi, On more link related to the subject: http://osnews.com/story/20743/Eeebuntu_2_0_SD_Card_Installation_on_the_Aspire_One Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza???ski vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Jan 16 23:55:59 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (Wawrzyniec =?unknown-8bit?Q?Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:55:59 +0000 Subject: Many thanks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090116225558.GC6683@gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:37:27AM +0000, Paul Williams wrote: Hi, > Grateful thanks to William, Dom and to Wawrzyniec for your brilliant help. Grate that we could help you. > From > each of your replies I got some very useful information, and have now managed > to save my valuable files [...] This is the way you can learn Linux. Every small bit of Knowledge ;) Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From alastair at altrux.me.uk Sat Jan 17 01:55:04 2009 From: alastair at altrux.me.uk (Alastair Stevens) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:55:04 +0000 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? Message-ID: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> Hi All - I'm looking for feedback on the latest versions of Fedora Linux, from people who use it every day and who are keen on systems that "Just Work". This isn't a game any more; although I've been using Linux full-time for 7 years (and part-time for over 10 years), I'm beginning to lose my rag and starting to lust after the Windows 7 beta.... Somebody help me! I love Linux, and have fought to advocate it for years, with relatively little success. But now my smugness and superiority is coming back to smack me in the face. It's 2009 now, and I have a computer that still can't do many of things that my old Celeron 466 machine with Windows 2000 could do in, er, 2000. My demands are not onerous: I just want a CD player that can, for example, play CDs without crashing on track 2; and a broader sound system that can, er, play sounds without crashing every 23 hours and requiring a reboot to make sound work again. And a mail system that can, er, read and send mail without creating a stuck process that *cannot be killed* and sucks 100% of one CPU until a reboot (Dovecot developers, are you listening?) Is it Linux, or is it just Ubuntu? I've always regarded Fedora as a funky but unusable (for production) beta project ... but perhaps it's time my views changed? Or even better, I should be a good boy and use rock solid Debian 'stable' and stop whinging? I still feel I'd be sunk without the raw power and flexibility that Linux offers. But despite getting ever more powerful, it also seems to be getting ever more *flakey*, and I can no longer tolerate that. Where do I go next? Cheers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090117/7f10126c/attachment-0002.htm From dom at latter.org Sat Jan 17 02:16:02 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 02:16:02 +0100 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200901170216.03256.dom@latter.org> On Saturday 17 January 2009 01:55:04 Alastair Stevens wrote: [snip woe] > Is it Linux, or is it just Ubuntu? It might be your hardware. What is it? How old is it? Apart from that... I know what you mean. The "guest" laptop here is now on Ubuntu 8.10 -and the wifi is broken. I've tried the various fixes that I've found on the net, but no joy. No worries, I'll try a Fedora hat on instead... From magnus at therning.org Sat Jan 17 08:00:49 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:00:49 +0000 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49718221.8090401@therning.org> Alastair Stevens wrote: > Hi All - I'm looking for feedback on the latest versions of Fedora > Linux, from people who use it every day and who are keen on systems that > "Just Work". This isn't a game any more; although I've been using Linux > full-time for 7 years (and part-time for over 10 years), I'm beginning > to lose my rag and starting to lust after the Windows 7 beta.... > [..] > > Is it Linux, or is it just Ubuntu? I've always regarded Fedora as a > funky but unusable (for production) beta project ... but perhaps it's > time my views changed? Or even better, I should be a good boy and use > rock solid Debian 'stable' and stop whinging? I'd give Debian Etch a go. Also, keep in mind that switching from Linux to Windows in reality will mean switching one set of problems for another. IMO it all comes down to what environment you are most comfortable with troubleshooting. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus Haskell is an even 'redder' pill than Lisp or Scheme. -- PaulPotts -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090117/f8dd120e/attachment-0001.pgp From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sat Jan 17 10:56:12 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:56:12 +0000 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <49718221.8090401@therning.org> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> Message-ID: <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 07:00:49AM +0000, Magnus Therning wrote: > I'd give Debian Etch a go. Second that. Debian doesn't "just work" because you have to spend a little while setting it up the way you'd want -- but then it never "just breaks". From thierry at glossolalie.org Sat Jan 17 11:02:55 2009 From: thierry at glossolalie.org (Thierry Sayegh De Bellis) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:02:55 +0100 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4971ACCF.5020301@glossolalie.org> Alastair Stevens a ?crit : > Hi All - I'm looking for feedback on the latest versions of Fedora > Linux, from people who use it every day and who are keen on systems > that "Just Work". This isn't a game any more; although I've been using > Linux full-time for 7 years (and part-time for over 10 years), I'm > beginning to lose my rag and starting to lust after the Windows 7 beta.... [snip] ***disclaimer: been working in red hat shops for too many years to count and hold a current rhce so it is my comfort zone*** Been using red hat in one form or another since rh 5.x back in the days were they did not have this whole enterprise model thing. I moved to Fedora when it was beta and been using it ever since without massive glitches, when I had an issue it has always been hardware related. I do not tend to buy the latest and greatest hence driver issues sometimes, maybe 3 times over the last 7 years. my desktop is Fedora but if it's server related I'd use rhel or centos as the release cycles are too fast for production servers IMHO. you'll find yourself wanting to enable extra 3rd party repositories if you want the fullness of multimedia but it's easy enough. Personally i do not use the fancy desktop effects i just want an efficient, no eye candy desktop so never looked at these stuff. The one thing I avoid like the plague in Fedora is NetworkManager but your experience may vary, a simple look on the mailing list shows wildly disparate experiences with this piece of software. Am not a point and click person so will be in a Terminal most of the time so no graphical client for ftp et al. A server for me comes with no GUI. Probably worth mentioning. So fedora on a desktop - defo yes, on a server, I use CentOS happy to discuss further if you have any questions hth Thierry From alspnost at gmail.com Sat Jan 17 12:16:24 2009 From: alspnost at gmail.com (Alastair Stevens) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:16:24 +0000 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> Message-ID: <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/17 Tom Ellis > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 07:00:49AM +0000, Magnus Therning wrote: > > I'd give Debian Etch a go. > > Second that. Debian doesn't "just work" because you have to spend a little > while setting it up the way you'd want -- but then it never "just breaks". > _______________________________________________ Thanks Tom - yes, I think you've hit on the key point there. What's really getting me is the *Just Breaks* aspect. I hopefully have enough knowledge and experience to get things working and setup correctly, but then I just want them to *stay* that way. When things just randomly break, I start to wallow in despair. And in just the last two weeks, an Ubuntu kernel upgrade broke my graphics, my sound randomly stops working (pulseaudio blues?), the various Gnome media apps seem to have become flakier than ever (Rhythmbox mainly), Dovecot has gone feral, and so on... Perhaps it's just "Ubuntu x.10" syndrome - I always found the .10 releases much flakier than the .04 releases (including LTS versions obviously). And interestingly, this was first version that I *upgraded* to, rather than clean-installed. But no-one likes taking a step backwards, eh :-) But perhaps I need to take a small step back from the almost-bleeding edge. In hardware terms, I'm on a common-as-muck modern Dell machine (Core 2 Duo, Intel board etc), indeed one of the very models on which Dell ships Ubuntu pre-installed. So I'm fairly certain my hardware is rock solid. Heck, it even runs Vi$ta smoothly, not that I ever use it.... Anyway, sorry for the drunken rant, but it really was just seriously getting to me last night :-) CHeers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From home at tristanwilliams.com Sat Jan 17 14:58:19 2009 From: home at tristanwilliams.com (home at tristanwilliams.com) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:58:19 +0000 Subject: Console based postscript (or pdf) viewer In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> Hi, I am having a credit crunch inspired retro moment (my laptop has died and I am thus forced to use a very old one). Does anyone know of a console based postscript (or pdf) viewer that will compile on a modern linux distribution (Centos 5)? Tristan From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sat Jan 17 15:09:09 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:09:09 +0000 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090117140909.GA8811@weber> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 11:16:24AM +0000, Alastair Stevens wrote: > 2009/1/17 Tom Ellis > > > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 07:00:49AM +0000, Magnus Therning wrote: > > > I'd give Debian Etch a go. > > > > Second that. Debian doesn't "just work" because you have to spend a little > > while setting it up the way you'd want -- but then it never "just breaks". > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks Tom - yes, I think you've hit on the key point there. What's > really getting me is the *Just Breaks* aspect. I hopefully have enough > knowledge and experience to get things working and setup correctly, > but then I just want them to *stay* that way. When things just > randomly break, I start to wallow in despair. Then Debian's the distro for you I think. If you want any help getting it set up feel free to post here and I'll be happy to help. I don't know much about KDE, GNOME and other "consumer" style environments, mind you. Tom From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Sat Jan 17 15:10:31 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:10:31 +0000 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4971ACCF.5020301@glossolalie.org> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <4971ACCF.5020301@glossolalie.org> Message-ID: <4971E6D7.7050107@the-thornes.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thierry Sayegh De Bellis wrote: - --- Snip --- > > > > So fedora on a desktop - defo yes, on a server, I use CentOS > > I second this. I have a combination of both Ubuntu and Fedora on my home PCs/laptops (As it happens my desktop is usually Ubuntu and my laptop usually Fedora due to the slightly lower memory requirements of Gnome on Fedora - 198 versus 256 on Fedora 9 Vs 8.04) Fedora 10 is an amazing distro - Fedora have recently up'ed the ante with Ubuntu in superb style. Linux Format gave Fedora 10 10/10 and Linux Magazine gave it a very favourable review too. There are a few niggles on Fedora that I don't like (Running full Sun Java isn't easy if you wish to use it as a default JVM for instance, and some of the Eclipse plugins I use don't like OpenJDK, GCJ or similar) and there is always the difficulties of being able to install a media player but not automagically having MP3 codecs, but on the whole This isn't too hard to over come with additional repositories as already mentioned. Ubuntu makes it very easy to install proprietary drivers (Indeed the article at http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3796126/The-Secret-Lives-of-Ubuntu-and-Debian-Users.htm seems to suggest that 86% use proprietary NVidia drivers.) It depends on what your opinion is on proprietary software on Linux. Both Red Hat (Inc.Fedora) and Debian do their best to stick to FOSS standards in their default install - indeed on Fedora 9, even if you have installed mplayer - if you try to watch a WMA video it will take you to a page where you can pay for drivers to view it. I haven't tried to watch a WMA in Fedora 10 yet - I try to avoid the WMA standard where ever possible! Fedora on a desktop is now a superb choice. Can I suggest though if you aren't sure, run a virtual machine (VirtualBox has both open and closed source versions, although the most open are probably KVM/Xen with QEMU or similar) of Fedora on your Ubuntu box and try it "exclusivly" (IE open the VM and run that) for a few days and see if everything works to your liking. I am tempted to ditch my Intrepid install for a Fedora 10 and just run Ubuntu in VMs from now on, but I won't stop using either distro. They both do what I need them too although they can take some fiddling to get there for certain aspects. Regards, Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJcebW8Kgbjjz5/z8RAqTjAJ99wcV1hek6EFXuX+ChSE3IbiJoSwCdEh4e sEg5QBoq/RmKKCmXN9TIszQ= =5UMA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sat Jan 17 16:38:44 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:38:44 +0000 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <32850.142.104.193.193.1221994692.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> References: <32850.142.104.193.193.1221994692.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Message-ID: <20090117153844.GA11672@weber> After Software Freedom Day in September I took home the remaining Ubuntu 8.04 CDs, of which there were about fifty. I've only just got round to putting them in the mail room of my college, so that people can pick them up for free. I thought, since it was so old, that there wouldn't be much interest but actually the CDs all went within a couple of days. When I get some time I might write to ShipIt and ask them to send me loads so I can get friends to leave them in other colleges too. Tom From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Sat Jan 17 19:29:59 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:29:59 +0000 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <20090117153844.GA11672@weber> References: <32850.142.104.193.193.1221994692.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <20090117153844.GA11672@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450901171029i10bcf0b3ic5bbb0ba6323205@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/17 Tom Ellis > When I get some time I might write to ShipIt and ask them to send me loads > so I can get friends to leave them in other colleges too. Good call, Tom. If ShipIt send you enough, give me a batch next time I see you and I'll put them out at Emma. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090117/5aac9ffb/attachment-0003.htm From alspnost at gmail.com Sat Jan 17 20:41:36 2009 From: alspnost at gmail.com (Alastair Stevens) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:41:36 +0000 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - KVM help Message-ID: <4536e91b0901171141oddac754raaf67ca978f47d27@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/17 David Thorne : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I am tempted to ditch my Intrepid install for a Fedora 10 and just run > Ubuntu in VMs from now on, but I won't stop using either distro. They > both do what I need them too although they can take some fiddling to get > there for certain aspects. > > Regards, > Dave Right - that leads me onto my next question. I'm going to have a play with Debian Lenny in a VM, to see how it works in a 64-bit world. But now I'm having KVM troubles (this used to work!). 17 alastair at xutopia64:~> sudo modprobe kvm-intel FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.27-10gt/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko): Operation not supported Does anyone know why this is failing? I'm running on an Intel Core 2 machine with VT and virtualisation *is* enabled in the BIOS (which is also the latest version). This is all on a 2.6.27-custom kernel under 64-bit Ubuntu. Sigh, another thing that seems to have "Just Broken" :-) Cheers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From paul at the-hug.org Sat Jan 17 21:35:27 2009 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:35:27 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Console based postscript (or pdf) viewer In-Reply-To: <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2464.192.168.2.100.1232224527.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> On Sat, January 17, 2009 13:58, home at tristanwilliams.com said: > I am having a credit crunch inspired retro moment (my laptop has died > and I am thus forced to use a very old one). Does anyone know of a > console based postscript (or pdf) viewer that will compile on a modern > linux distribution (Centos 5)? Did you mean something like pdftotext - that's part of xpdf which you can get from here http://www.foolabs.com/xpdf/download.html -- Paul From wawrzek at gmail.com Sat Jan 17 21:42:55 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (Wawrzyniec =?utf-8?Q?Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:42:55 +0000 Subject: Console based postscript (or pdf) viewer In-Reply-To: <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20090117204254.GA10525@gmail.com> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 01:58:19PM +0000, home at tristanwilliams.com wrote: > Hi, > > I am having a credit crunch inspired retro moment (my laptop has died > and I am thus forced to use a very old one). Does anyone know of a > console based postscript (or pdf) viewer that will compile on a modern > linux distribution (Centos 5)? > Maybe http://linux.bytesex.org/fbida/ Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From paul at peck.org.uk Mon Jan 19 13:18:05 2009 From: paul at peck.org.uk (Paul Hardwick) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:18:05 +0000 Subject: Fedora vs Ubuntu vs anything - where next with Linux? In-Reply-To: <4971E6D7.7050107@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <4971ACCF.5020301@glossolalie.org> <4971E6D7.7050107@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <49746F7D.609@peck.org.uk> David Thorne wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Thierry Sayegh De Bellis wrote: > - --- Snip --- > >>> So fedora on a desktop - defo yes, on a server, I use CentOS >>> >>> > > I second this. I have a combination of both Ubuntu and Fedora on my > home PCs/laptops (As it happens my desktop is usually Ubuntu and my > laptop usually Fedora due to the slightly lower memory requirements of > Gnome on Fedora - 198 versus 256 on Fedora 9 Vs 8.04) > > Fedora 10 is an amazing distro - Fedora have recently up'ed the ante > with Ubuntu in superb style. Linux Format gave Fedora 10 10/10 and > Linux Magazine gave it a very favourable review too. > > There are a few niggles on Fedora that I don't like (Running full Sun > Java isn't easy if you wish to use it as a default JVM for instance, and > some of the Eclipse plugins I use don't like OpenJDK, GCJ or similar) > and there is always the difficulties of being able to install a media > player but not automagically having MP3 codecs, but on the whole This > isn't too hard to over come with additional repositories as already > mentioned. Ubuntu makes it very easy to install proprietary drivers > (Indeed the article at > http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3796126/The-Secret-Lives-of-Ubuntu-and-Debian-Users.htm > seems to suggest that 86% use proprietary NVidia drivers.) It depends on > what your opinion is on proprietary software on Linux. Both Red Hat > (Inc.Fedora) and Debian do their best to stick to FOSS standards in > their default install - indeed on Fedora 9, even if you have installed > mplayer - if you try to watch a WMA video it will take you to a page > where you can pay for drivers to view it. I haven't tried to watch a > WMA in Fedora 10 yet - I try to avoid the WMA standard where ever possible! > > Fedora on a desktop is now a superb choice. Can I suggest though if you > aren't sure, run a virtual machine (VirtualBox has both open and closed > source versions, although the most open are probably KVM/Xen with QEMU > or similar) of Fedora on your Ubuntu box and try it "exclusivly" (IE > open the VM and run that) for a few days and see if everything works to > your liking. > > I am tempted to ditch my Intrepid install for a Fedora 10 and just run > Ubuntu in VMs from now on, but I won't stop using either distro. They > both do what I need them too although they can take some fiddling to get > there for certain aspects. > > Regards, > Dave > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFJcebW8Kgbjjz5/z8RAqTjAJ99wcV1hek6EFXuX+ChSE3IbiJoSwCdEh4e > sEg5QBoq/RmKKCmXN9TIszQ= > =5UMA > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > I run both Fedora 10 and Ubuntu Intrepid on 2 machines each. I get frustrated that the update with Fedora seems to break with unresolvable dependencies frequently with no obvious way of working around it and I end up leaving that distro for some time. On the other hand Ubuntu keeps updating and breaking my Atheros 5007 driver - but work arounds have been posted. Paul H From pmpbw at hotmail.com Mon Jan 19 17:00:33 2009 From: pmpbw at hotmail.com (Paul Williams) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:00:33 +0000 Subject: (More) Help for a Newbie required Message-ID: Can you tell me, step by step, how to make a USB recovery disk? I'm using Linpus Linux Lite v1.0.3 E on my Acer Aspire ONE. Many thanks Paul Williams _________________________________________________________________ Cut through the jargon: find a PC for your needs. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090119/034ac98a/attachment-0002.htm From home at tristanwilliams.com Mon Jan 19 17:29:08 2009 From: home at tristanwilliams.com (home at tristanwilliams.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:29:08 +0000 Subject: Console based postscript (or pdf) viewer In-Reply-To: <2464.192.168.2.100.1232224527.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> <2464.192.168.2.100.1232224527.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> Message-ID: <20090119162908.GA8547@localhost.localdomain> On 17Jan09 20:35, Paul Oldham wrote: > > On Sat, January 17, 2009 13:58, home at tristanwilliams.com said: > > > I am having a credit crunch inspired retro moment (my laptop has died > > and I am thus forced to use a very old one). Does anyone know of a > > console based postscript (or pdf) viewer that will compile on a modern > > linux distribution (Centos 5)? > > Did you mean something like pdftotext - that's part of xpdf which you can > get from here http://www.foolabs.com/xpdf/download.html > > -- > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org Paul, Many thanks for the reply. No, pdftotext is not what I am looking for. I want a ps or pdf console viewer to see the output from Lout (which is postscript). I have the text - I wrote it :) The laptop I am using works very nicely in the console but creeks a little too much for me under X. Tristan From home at tristanwilliams.com Mon Jan 19 17:31:29 2009 From: home at tristanwilliams.com (home at tristanwilliams.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:31:29 +0000 Subject: Console based postscript (or pdf) viewer In-Reply-To: <20090117204254.GA10525@gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0901161655t227d19ffscfd2d4246400fa46@mail.gmail.com> <49718221.8090401@therning.org> <20090117095612.GB3217@weber> <4536e91b0901170316i5a228824idf6f2727dfacbb9d@mail.gmail.com> <20090117135819.GA32592@localhost.localdomain> <20090117204254.GA10525@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090119163129.GB8547@localhost.localdomain> On 17Jan09 20:42, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 01:58:19PM +0000, home at tristanwilliams.com wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am having a credit crunch inspired retro moment (my laptop has died > > and I am thus forced to use a very old one). Does anyone know of a > > console based postscript (or pdf) viewer that will compile on a modern > > linux distribution (Centos 5)? > > > > Maybe > http://linux.bytesex.org/fbida/ > > Wawrzek > -- > Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN > Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com > PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name > MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl Wawrzek, Many thanks for the reply. fbida sounds like it might be what I am looking for - though I haven't managed to get to compile yet :( Tristan From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Jan 23 15:37:03 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:37:03 +0000 Subject: (More) Help for a Newbie required In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Paul, If you haven't recived any advice I recommend you to check: http://www.sysresccd.org/Sysresccd-manual-en_How_to_install_SystemRescueCd_on_an_USB-stick Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From tomharling at aol.com Sat Jan 24 21:06:45 2009 From: tomharling at aol.com (Tom Harling) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:06:45 +0000 Subject: Old computer hardware - what to do? Message-ID: <497B74D5.5010605@aol.com> Hi I have some (between 0 to 4 years old) computer hardware which I no longer have use/space for. I was thinking of selling them on eBay, but wondered whether there were other channels I could use to shift everything. Most of the things I have come under cases, water-cooling stuff, some books, laptop wireless cards etc. Since they're not really worth any real money, and the cost for items such as PC cases is a little large for shipping, are there any local channels I can use - I've heard of Freecycle but haven't used it before - does the Uni have anything? Otherwise are there any computer resellers etc. that could have my stuff (Am I right in thinking of Mill Road?)? Thanks Tom From onepoint at starurchin.org Sat Jan 24 22:05:08 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:05:08 +0000 Subject: Old computer hardware - what to do? In-Reply-To: <497B74D5.5010605@aol.com> References: <497B74D5.5010605@aol.com> Message-ID: <20090124210508.GM14210@omphalos.singularity> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 08:06:45PM +0000, Tom Harling wrote: > I've heard of Freecycle but haven't used it before... They're pretty good. Freecycle Cambridge: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cambridgefreecycle/ Also, Red2Green: Reboot: http://www.red2green.org/_reboot.htm Computer Resale: http://www.computerresale.co.uk/ Cambridge Computer Recycling: http://www.cambridge-computer-recycling.co.uk/ Cambridge Used Computer Shop: http://www.cambridgecomputershop.co.uk/ Regards, Jeremy Henty From ejlilley at gmail.com Mon Jan 26 01:08:11 2009 From: ejlilley at gmail.com (Edward Lilley) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 00:08:11 +0000 Subject: Old computer hardware - what to do? In-Reply-To: <497B74D5.5010605@aol.com> References: <497B74D5.5010605@aol.com> Message-ID: <1232928491.20872.1.camel@delta.ugnus.uk.eu.org> On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 20:06 +0000, Tom Harling wrote: > Hi > > I have some (between 0 to 4 years old) computer hardware which I no > longer have use/space for. I was thinking of selling them on eBay, but > wondered whether there were other channels I could use to shift > everything. Most of the things I have come under cases, water-cooling > stuff, some books, laptop wireless cards etc. Since they're not really > worth any real money, and the cost for items such as PC cases is a > little large for shipping, are there any local channels I can use - I've > heard of Freecycle but haven't used it before - does the Uni have > anything? Otherwise are there any computer resellers etc. that could > have my stuff (Am I right in thinking of Mill Road?)? > > Thanks > Tom > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org Last week I successfully bought something (a old-ish CPU) via the classified ads section of http://www.avforums.com/ A bit didgy, but cheaper than ebay, and potentially simpler for both buyers and sellers. Edward Lilley From dom at latter.org Mon Jan 26 13:59:17 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:59:17 +0100 Subject: Old computer hardware - what to do? In-Reply-To: <20090124210508.GM14210@omphalos.singularity> References: <497B74D5.5010605@aol.com> <20090124210508.GM14210@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <200901261359.18017.dom@latter.org> On Saturday 24 January 2009 22:05:08 Jeremy Henty wrote: > Computer Resale: http://www.computerresale.co.uk/ Resale *never* buy off Jo(e) Public. I believe there's a big notice in the shop window to that effect. You'll only annoy Steve if you go in and ask. To the OP: You can try advertising cruft on cam.misc - if it's less than 5 years old it should still fetch *some* money. Personally I use hardware of this vintage and find that amazingly enough it's just as capable now as it was five years ago. Also the ucam.* groups, although you might have to ask someone nicely to post on your behalf. From clug at gasops.co.uk Wed Jan 28 11:11:55 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:11:55 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) Message-ID: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> Hi peeps. I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put the lines into another file. Basically I have a load of Oracle errors in a log file and the file is very big and I am interested in only the errors (file is 700MB but I hope that there are less than 1MB of errors!). Example: ERROR at line 1: ORA-00904: "TIMESTAMP": invalid identifier And something like ? sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt But that will not give me unique errors. Also I'd like to have two lines above the match (like greps -C context option) so that I can see the SQL that failed. Yes that's a lot of wants for a Tuesday :-) From wawrzek at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 11:31:11 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:31:11 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: 2009/1/28 Longman : > > Hi peeps. > > I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put > the lines into another file. Basically I have a load of Oracle errors > in a log file and the file is very big and I am interested in only the > errors (file is 700MB but I hope that there are less than 1MB of errors!). > > Example: > > ERROR at line 1: > ORA-00904: "TIMESTAMP": invalid identifier > > And something like ? > > sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt > [...] > Yes that's a lot of wants for a Tuesday :-) Why not use the grep and redirect it to file? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Wed Jan 28 11:32:06 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:32:06 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: On 28 Jan 2009, at 10:11, Longman wrote: > > Hi peeps. > > I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and > put > the lines into another file. Basically I have a load of Oracle errors > in a log file and the file is very big and I am interested in only the > errors (file is 700MB but I hope that there are less than 1MB of > errors!). > > Example: > > ERROR at line 1: > ORA-00904: "TIMESTAMP": invalid identifier > > And something like ? > > sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt > > But that will not give me unique errors. Also I'd like to have two > lines above the match (like greps -C context option) so that I can see > the SQL that failed. How about grep -B 2 ^ORA output.log > errors.txt Simon. From mcconville.steve at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 11:33:07 2009 From: mcconville.steve at gmail.com (Steve McConville) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:33:07 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <56652bc0901280233lf066a4coc445be0998dca50c@mail.gmail.com> grep ORA | sort | uniq Will get you unique errors, but won't get you context. 2009/1/28 Longman : > > Hi peeps. > > I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put > the lines into another file. Basically I have a load of Oracle errors > in a log file and the file is very big and I am interested in only the > errors (file is 700MB but I hope that there are less than 1MB of errors!). > > Example: > > ERROR at line 1: > ORA-00904: "TIMESTAMP": invalid identifier > > And something like ? > > sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt > > But that will not give me unique errors. Also I'd like to have two > lines above the match (like greps -C context option) so that I can see > the SQL that failed. > > Yes that's a lot of wants for a Tuesday :-) > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- steev http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/ From mcconville.steve at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 11:39:43 2009 From: mcconville.steve at gmail.com (Steve McConville) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:39:43 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <56652bc0901280233lf066a4coc445be0998dca50c@mail.gmail.com> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <56652bc0901280233lf066a4coc445be0998dca50c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <56652bc0901280239t5b7d8715q3f5b5c1676bc86@mail.gmail.com> Actually it's just occurred to me that you could do something like for i in $(grep ^ORA output.log | sort | uniq) ; do grep -B 2 $i output.log | head -n 3 ; done 2009/1/28 Steve McConville : > grep ORA | sort | uniq > > Will get you unique errors, but won't get you context. > > 2009/1/28 Longman : >> >> Hi peeps. >> >> I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put >> the lines into another file. Basically I have a load of Oracle errors >> in a log file and the file is very big and I am interested in only the >> errors (file is 700MB but I hope that there are less than 1MB of errors!). >> >> Example: >> >> ERROR at line 1: >> ORA-00904: "TIMESTAMP": invalid identifier >> >> And something like ? >> >> sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt >> >> But that will not give me unique errors. Also I'd like to have two >> lines above the match (like greps -C context option) so that I can see >> the SQL that failed. >> >> Yes that's a lot of wants for a Tuesday :-) >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug at cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> > > > > -- > steev > http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/ > -- steev http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/ From onepoint at starurchin.org Wed Jan 28 12:00:21 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:00:21 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:11:55AM +0000, Longman wrote: > sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt > > But that will not give me unique errors. grep '^ORA-' output.log | sort -u > Also I'd like to have two lines above the match (like greps -C > context option) so that I can see the SQL that failed. Sheesh! grep -B 2 '^ORA-' /tmp/output.log | perl -0777 -wne ' my %foo; s|((^.*\n){3})(^.*\n)?|$foo{$1} = 1|gme; print sort keys %foo; ' Regards, Jeremy Henty From tehpeh at gmx.net Wed Jan 28 12:05:17 2009 From: tehpeh at gmx.net (Thomas Pircher) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:05:17 -0000 (GMT) Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <56652bc0901280239t5b7d8715q3f5b5c1676bc86@mail.gmail.com> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <56652bc0901280233lf066a4coc445be0998dca50c@mail.gmail.com> <56652bc0901280239t5b7d8715q3f5b5c1676bc86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Steve McConville wrote: > Actually it's just occurred to me that you could do something like > > for i in $(grep ^ORA output.log | sort | uniq) ; do grep -B 2 $i > output.log | head -n 3 ; done along the same lines, my version of the script (it might be the slowest of all solutions posted on the list..) The script will group the same errors in a common file. So beware: it will clutter your working directory with files starting with "ORA-..." Thomas #!/bin/awk -f BEGIN { FS=":" line0="" line1="" line2="" } { line0 = line1 line1 = line2 line2 = $0 } /^ORA-/ { file = $1 print "--------------" >> file print line0 >> file print line1 >> file print line2 >> file print "--------------" >> file } From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Wed Jan 28 16:01:56 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:01:56 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <49807364.6070608@mansfield.co.uk> Longman wrote: > Hi peeps. > > I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put can do it all in a one-liner script in this sort of way cat errorfile | ( read W ; while [ /bin/true ] ; do read X ; echo $X | grep "Error at" > /dev/null ; if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then read Y;echo "$X $Y $W" ; fi ; W="$X" ; done) From clug at gasops.co.uk Thu Jan 29 10:52:15 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:52:15 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <49817C4F.6030401@gasops.co.uk> * Jeremy Henty wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:11:55AM +0000, Longman wrote: > >> sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt >> >> But that will not give me unique errors. > > grep '^ORA-' output.log | sort -u > >> Also I'd like to have two lines above the match (like greps -C >> context option) so that I can see the SQL that failed. > > Sheesh! > > grep -B 2 '^ORA-' /tmp/output.log | > perl -0777 -wne ' > my %foo; > s|((^.*\n){3})(^.*\n)?|$foo{$1} = 1|gme; > print sort keys %foo; > ' Couldn't get this to work on my system: grep -B 2 '^ORA-' output.log | perl -0777 -wne ' my %foo; s|((^.*\n){3})(^.*\n)?|$foo{$1} = 1|gme; print sort keys %foo; grep -B 5 '^ORA-' output.log | perl -0777 -wne ' Unquoted string "output" may clash with future reserved word at -e line 5. Unquoted string "perl" may clash with future reserved word at -e line 5. Not enough arguments for grep at -e line 5, at EOF Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors. From james at camalyn.org Thu Jan 29 11:03:18 2009 From: james at camalyn.org (james) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:03:18 +0000 Subject: JOB: Permanent Full Stack Web Developer [Kings Cross, London] Message-ID: <1233223398.3425.27.camel@linux-qtk6.site> hi everyone, I'm continuing to work with a client close to Kings X that are now looking to recruit a permanent full stack web developer (this includes front end XHTML, CSS, Javascript) to further develop the clients business platform (web site, kpis, api and accounting) with development also on linguistics after a year. The client expects candidates to a) have an out of work interest in programming, e.g. write articles, blog, open source contributor or active in user groups; b) know 2 or more mainstream programming languages, one of which must be OO. Ruby or PHP experience desirable; c) understand full stack web development experience including Javascript (preferably using Prototype or JQuery) and SQL (with modelling). I'm not looking for someone who necessarily knows how to use web frameworks like cake but who certainly understands the whole database/scripting language stack. Please feel free to contact me off list to discuss further and to ascertain details about potential salary etc. Kind Regards, JAMES . . . . . . >> to learn more about Camalyn please visit http://www.camalyn.org From clug at gasops.co.uk Thu Jan 29 11:08:56 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:08:56 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <49818038.2010305@gasops.co.uk> * Jeremy Henty wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:11:55AM +0000, Longman wrote: > >> sed -n '/ORA/w output.log' errors.txt >> >> But that will not give me unique errors. > > grep '^ORA-' output.log | sort -u This works fine though it then mixes up the errors with the SQL. It first lists the unique oracle messages and then lists the unique SQL. This is OK though as I'm able to whittle down a 256MB log file to just five errors and I can work out which unique SQL goes with which unique ORA message. Thanks to everybody that has replied to this thread. From clug at gasops.co.uk Thu Jan 29 11:09:36 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:09:36 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49807364.6070608@mansfield.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <49807364.6070608@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <49818060.2030306@gasops.co.uk> * Paul M wrote: > Longman wrote: >> Hi peeps. >> >> I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put > > can do it all in a one-liner script in this sort of way > > cat errorfile | ( read W ; while [ /bin/true ] ; do read X ; echo $X | > grep "Error at" > /dev/null ; if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then read Y;echo "$X $Y > $W" ; fi ; W="$X" ; done) I shall try this command later just to satisfy my curiosity :) From jt at camalyn.org Thu Jan 29 11:20:24 2009 From: jt at camalyn.org (jt at camalyn.org) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:20:24 +0000 Subject: JOB: Permanent Full Stack Web Developer [Kings Cross, London]] Message-ID: <1233224424.3425.33.camel@linux-qtk6.site> ?hi everyone, I'm continuing to work with a client close to Kings X that are now looking to recruit a permanent full stack web developer (this includes front end XHTML, CSS, Javascript) to further develop the clients business platform (web site, kpis, api and accounting) with development also on linguistics after a year. The client expects candidates to a) have an out of work interest in programming, e.g. write articles, blog, open source contributor or active in user groups; b) know 2 or more mainstream programming languages, one of which must be OO. Ruby or PHP experience desirable; c) understand full stack web development experience including Javascript (preferably using Prototype or JQuery) and SQL (with modelling). I'm not looking for someone who necessarily knows how to use web frameworks like cake but who certainly understands the whole database/scripting language stack. Please feel free to contact me off list to discuss further and to ascertain details about potential salary etc. Kind Regards, JAMES . . . . . . >> to learn more about Camalyn please visit http://www.camalyn.org From onepoint at starurchin.org Thu Jan 29 12:31:52 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:31:52 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49817C4F.6030401@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> <49817C4F.6030401@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090129113152.GA31201@omphalos.singularity> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 09:52:15AM +0000, Longman wrote: > grep -B 2 '^ORA-' output.log | perl -0777 > -wne ' Is that line break an email formatting problem? This should be one line. > my %foo; > s|((^.*\n){3})(^.*\n)?|$foo{$1} = 1|gme; > print sort keys %foo; > grep -B 5 '^ORA-' output.log | perl -0777 -wne ' > Unquoted string "output" may clash with future reserved word at -e line 5. > Unquoted string "perl" may clash with future reserved word at -e line 5. > Not enough arguments for grep at -e line 5, at EOF > Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors. For some reason you're sending the whole command to perl when it should be going to the shell. Those are error messages from the perl compiler, but it should not be seeing the "perl" and "grep" commands. Only the stuff between the two single quotes after the -wne flag is the perl script. Cheers, Jeremy Henty From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Thu Jan 29 12:52:42 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:52:42 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <20090129113152.GA31201@omphalos.singularity> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <20090128110021.GA14210@omphalos.singularity> <49817C4F.6030401@gasops.co.uk> <20090129113152.GA31201@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <8F3E878D-9546-4736-B4F9-10384E9F3975@bbsrc.ac.uk> Rather than trying to make a one liner to do this I thought I'd knock up a short script. You should be able to either pipe through this, or specify a filename as an argument. It will only show unique errors and will give two lines of context if they are present and less if not. Simon. #!/usr/bin/perl use warnings; use strict; my @buffer; my %seen; while (<>) { unshift @buffer,$_; if (@buffer > 3) { pop @buffer; } if ($buffer[0] =~ /^ORA/) { unless (exists $seen{$buffer[0]}) { $seen{$buffer[0]} = 1; print $buffer[2] if ($buffer[2]); print $buffer[1] if ($buffer[1]); print $buffer[0]; } @buffer = (); } } From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Fri Jan 30 13:47:38 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:47:38 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <49818060.2030306@gasops.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <49807364.6070608@mansfield.co.uk> <49818060.2030306@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <4982F6EA.7020401@mansfield.co.uk> Longman wrote: > * Paul M wrote: >> Longman wrote: >>> Hi peeps. >>> >>> I want to copy a load of data from a log file that starts 'ORA-' and put >> can do it all in a one-liner script in this sort of way >> >> cat errorfile | ( read W ; while [ /bin/true ] ; do read X ; echo $X | >> grep "Error at" > /dev/null ; if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then read Y;echo "$X $Y >> $W" ; fi ; W="$X" ; done) > > I shall try this command later just to satisfy my curiosity :) did it work? :-) From onepoint at starurchin.org Fri Jan 30 17:09:16 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:09:16 +0000 Subject: Recommendations: open source project host including mercurial hosting Message-ID: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> The Dillo project is going to move hosts, so we need a good host for an open source project. Current spec: We need email, webserver/CGI/python shell accounts and a DCVS (Hg or Git). CGI is quite useful, but we may use another bugtracker too. We currently use Mercurial at freehg.org but that often performs terribly (the host, not Mercurial itself) and they doesn't offer anything else. TIA for all recommendations, Jeremy Henty From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Fri Jan 30 17:12:52 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:12:52 +0000 Subject: Recommendations: open source project host including mercurial hosting In-Reply-To: <49832692.3070104@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <49832692.3070104@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <49832704.7090705@the-thornes.co.uk> http://bitbucket.org/ is the github of the hg world as far as I know :) David Thorne wrote: > http://bitbucket.org/ is the github of the hg world as far as I know :) > Jeremy Henty wrote: >> The Dillo project is going to move hosts, so we need a good host for >> an open source project. Current spec: >> >> We need email, webserver/CGI/python shell accounts and a DCVS (Hg >> or Git). CGI is quite useful, but we may use another bugtracker >> too. >> >> We currently use Mercurial at freehg.org but that often performs >> terribly (the host, not Mercurial itself) and they doesn't offer >> anything else. >> >> TIA for all recommendations, >> >> Jeremy Henty >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug at cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> > > From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 17:41:24 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:41:24 +0000 Subject: Recommendations: open source project host including mercurial hosting In-Reply-To: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: 2009/1/30 Jeremy Henty : Hi Jeremy Are you from Cambridge? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From onepoint at starurchin.org Fri Jan 30 17:48:02 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:48:02 +0000 Subject: Recommendations: open source project host including mercurial hosting In-Reply-To: References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 04:41:24PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Are you from Cambridge? Not *originally*, but I've lived here a long time. Why do you ask? Jeremy Henty From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 17:52:55 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:52:55 +0000 Subject: Recommendations: open source project host including mercurial hosting In-Reply-To: <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: 2009/1/30 Jeremy Henty : > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 04:41:24PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: >> Are you from Cambridge? > > Not *originally*, but I've lived here a long time. Why do you ask? > I think that starting regular CamLUG meeting will be great think and one of such meeting might be about Dillo with is interesting project. You know I make a list of potential prey ;) Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl