From onepoint@hidden Mon Feb 2 19:30:39 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Mon Feb 2 20:30:50 2009 Subject: Q: activity meters for the terminal Message-ID: <20090202193039.GC6099@omphalos.singularity> Even though I like to use the terminal whenever I can, I do really appreciate the little CPU/network activity meters in the corner of my icewm desktop. Are there any similar meters for the terminal? It would be nice to have something like that when there's no X Windows around. Cheers, Jeremy Henty From jt@hidden Mon Feb 2 19:49:46 2009 From: jt@hidden (jt@camalyn.org) Date: Mon Feb 2 20:51:25 2009 Subject: Q: activity meters for the terminal In-Reply-To: <20090202193039.GC6099@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090202193039.GC6099@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <1233604187.5747.7.camel@linux-qtk6.site> On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 19:30 +0000, Jeremy Henty wrote: > Even though I like to use the terminal whenever I can, I do really > appreciate the little CPU/network activity meters in the corner of my > icewm desktop. Are there any similar meters for the terminal? It > would be nice to have something like that when there's no X Windows > around. I might be off here but would something like Dstat fit your needs? all the best, James From onepoint@hidden Mon Feb 2 21:20:59 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Mon Feb 2 22:21:09 2009 Subject: Q: activity meters for the terminal In-Reply-To: <1233604187.5747.7.camel@linux-qtk6.site> References: <20090202193039.GC6099@omphalos.singularity> <1233604187.5747.7.camel@linux-qtk6.site> Message-ID: <20090202212059.GD6099@omphalos.singularity> On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 07:49:46PM +0000, jt@camalyn.org wrote: > On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 19:30 +0000, Jeremy Henty wrote: > > > Even though I like to use the terminal whenever I can, I do really > > appreciate the little CPU/network activity meters in the corner of > > my icewm desktop. Are there any similar meters for the terminal? > > I might be off here but would something like Dstat fit your needs? Definitely! Thanks for the tip! Jeremy Henty From jt@hidden Tue Feb 3 21:08:46 2009 From: jt@hidden (jt@camalyn.org) Date: Tue Feb 3 22:10:27 2009 Subject: Media Streamer - Linux to Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 Message-ID: <1233695326.17152.2655.camel@linux-qtk6.site> Hi List, Can anybody recommend an equivalent for Linux that will stream media (video and audio) to a PlayStation 3 and XBOX 360? I am thinking, MythTV or GeeXBox? Perhaps someone might have some experience of these and whether they are fiddly or relatively straightforward to get up and running? Thanks in advance, James From paul+clug@hidden Wed Feb 4 00:27:09 2009 From: paul+clug@hidden (Paul) Date: Wed Feb 4 01:26:36 2009 Subject: Media Streamer - Linux to Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 In-Reply-To: <1233695326.17152.2655.camel@linux-qtk6.site> References: <1233695326.17152.2655.camel@linux-qtk6.site> Message-ID: <4988E0DD.9080102@mansfield.co.uk> jt@camalyn.org wrote: > Can anybody recommend an equivalent for Linux that will stream media > (video and audio) to a PlayStation 3 and XBOX 360? I am thinking, MythTV there was a long thread recently elsewhere. I'll paste some snippets below, make of them what you will! ---------------- > Now that I have 4 UPNP/DLNA client devices on my newly sorted-out > network, I thought it would be time to try and run a server for sharing > all the content on my shiny 500Mb disk. apt-get install ushare ----------- AFAIK my freenas (www.freenas.org) box is running mediatomb (www.mediatomb.cc) as its uPNP server and that seems to work reasonably well. I have to poke the admin interface to rebuild its media database when I add new content so that its presented but other than that its hassle free.... It supports the messed up Xbox 360 uPNP spec too which was the selling point for me at the time. ------------- ushare is astoundingly bad, but it also appears to be the only tool that'll do the job. I've been using it to stream video to an Xbox 360 and there are all sorts of annoyances. It's bad enough that I'm considering rewriting it. I don't care to attempt to fix it because it's written in C in a rather interesting way. An old Xbox running XBMC appears to be the better solution unless you need HD. ---------------- Well in my experience mediatomb should just work, it's also used by several NAS manufacturers iirc. --------------- > what doesn't twonky work with? I've found it quite good compatibility > wisa. It just about works with my Popcorn Hour NMT-100, but vanishes randomly. With my Yahama RX-V2700 amplifier it completely scrambles the music track listings. With my Samsung IP HDTV it sometimes gets as far as listing content directories, but barfs whenever I try to play anything. Haven't tried my Reciva radio yet. I suspect that there are settings that can be tweaked to make these work better, but there is a complete lack of useful documentation on their current website. Still waiting for tech support answer after 10 days. ------------ > ushare is astoundingly bad, Agreed > but it also appears to be the only tool > that'll do the job. On Linux, agreed. Alternatively, Connect360 is great for mac->xbox360 sharing, TVersity seems to be an acceptable win32 compromise for win->xbox/ps3/dlna sharing. ----------------------- DLNA is not just a certification process it's a more detailed subset of upnp, any upnp implementation should be compatible with DLNA and vice versa, mediatomb should work with all upnp/dlna devices but there are various inconsistencies due to bad implementations. -------------- From clug@hidden Wed Feb 4 10:02:59 2009 From: clug@hidden (Longman) Date: Wed Feb 4 11:01:20 2009 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <4982F6EA.7020401@mansfield.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <49807364.6070608@mansfield.co.uk> <49818060.2030306@gasops.co.uk> <4982F6EA.7020401@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <498967D3.5040106@gasops.co.uk> * Paul M wrote: > did it work? a treat :-) Thanks! From jt@hidden Wed Feb 4 11:30:13 2009 From: jt@hidden (jt@camalyn.org) Date: Wed Feb 4 12:31:53 2009 Subject: Media Streamer - Linux to Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 In-Reply-To: <120cf9d40902031454x7ffe81e1g7ab89b17d4d453e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1233695326.17152.2655.camel@linux-qtk6.site> <120cf9d40902031454x7ffe81e1g7ab89b17d4d453e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1233747013.3266.5.camel@linux-qtk6.site> On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 22:54 +0000, Toby wrote: > I'm running Ubuntu 8.something, and use MediaTomb to my PS3. It was a > piece of cake to setup. I've only used it for mp3, but don't see why > video should be much different. Thanks Tony, I'll give that a go a little later :) From ferg@hidden Wed Feb 4 12:03:56 2009 From: ferg@hidden (Ferg) Date: Wed Feb 4 13:04:07 2009 Subject: Media Streamer - Linux to Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 In-Reply-To: <1233747013.3266.5.camel@linux-qtk6.site> References: <1233695326.17152.2655.camel@linux-qtk6.site> <120cf9d40902031454x7ffe81e1g7ab89b17d4d453e5@mail.gmail.com> <1233747013.3266.5.camel@linux-qtk6.site> Message-ID: Hi James, you mentioned Mythtv in your original email. I suspect that this is something more than you need, although if you are prepared to spend the time setting it up it's a fabulous system. It can stream video and music, and quite a lot more. It's not a 'plugin' solution, but it is a good one. Especially with multiple clients. I've been using it as my only TV/DVD/Video etc... system for 3 years now, and although it has not been plain sailing (due to my inability to stop messing with it) it's been well worth it, and we rely on it now. Cheers Ferg On 4 Feb 2009, at 11:30, jt@camalyn.org wrote: > On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 22:54 +0000, Toby wrote: > >> I'm running Ubuntu 8.something, and use MediaTomb to my PS3. It was a >> piece of cake to setup. I've only used it for mp3, but don't see why >> video should be much different. > > Thanks Tony, I'll give that a go a little later :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From sparkle60@hidden Wed Feb 4 14:58:48 2009 From: sparkle60@hidden (b nicolson) Date: Wed Feb 4 15:58:55 2009 Subject: domain providers Message-ID: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> I'm thinking of signing up to 1&1 for their email services. What I'd like to know is: Are they any good? Will the security features be compatible with Linux or won't I need them? If people have other recommendations/advice I'd be grateful for them. Thanks. Bev. From clug@hidden Wed Feb 4 15:16:36 2009 From: clug@hidden (Ian Spray) Date: Wed Feb 4 16:16:43 2009 Subject: domain providers In-Reply-To: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> References: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> Message-ID: <20090204151636.GA18920@minimal.cx> On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 02:58:48PM +0000, b nicolson wrote: > I'm thinking of signing up to 1&1 for their email services. What I'd like to know > is: > > Are they any good? > Hmm, good question. I've known people to use them (for webhosting) and have billing issues with them - in one case they didn't stop when the service was cancelled (card payment) and in the other they sent very demanding letters instead of just stopping the service (paid by cheque). Having said that (looking at your email addy), they're way better than my time with uk2.net many moons ago, when they grabbed a domain I'd searched on a few times and not bought (an unlikely name, although it *could* have been coincidence that another uk2 user also wanted it) plus they used to have a nasty charge for migrating name registrations away from them. I gave up on all this a decade ago and hosted it all myself, but I'd be very tempted to use Google's mail service with my own domain name if I was starting from scratch again now. TTFN, -- Ian Spray GPG Fingerprint: D170 35A3 C858 6E85 9B5B 1557 4CD5 6F6F E176 2D0A From clug@hidden Wed Feb 4 15:32:58 2009 From: clug@hidden (David Thorne) Date: Wed Feb 4 16:33:11 2009 Subject: domain providers In-Reply-To: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> References: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> Message-ID: <4989B52A.7030608@the-thornes.co.uk> Hi Bev, 1 & 1 are usually very good - certainly from my experience. I use them for my hosting and also the majority of my domain registry. I never miss an opportunity for a good ol' affiliate link (Technically not good neticette but just the once I say what the heck?) so click on the link to the right http://www.1and1.co.uk/?k_id=13096637 when you sign up please. CHeeky I know but I can't help it occassionally! Their mail is fairly reliable only problems I ever had with it was when I was initially setting up my first account with them - but since then they have improved the interface :) Another option you can look at is google apps - they now allow you to point domains to them and you get the Google mail interface to use with your mail :) Regards, Dave Let me know know if you decide to go with them. b nicolson wrote: > I'm thinking of signing up to 1&1 for their email services. What I'd like to know > is: > > Are they any good? > Will the security features be compatible with Linux or won't I need them? > > If people have other recommendations/advice I'd be grateful for them. > > Thanks. > > Bev. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From tom-lists-clug2@hidden Wed Feb 4 15:36:00 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Wed Feb 4 16:36:08 2009 Subject: domain providers In-Reply-To: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> References: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> Message-ID: <20090204153600.GA14995@weber> On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 02:58:48PM +0000, b nicolson wrote: > Will the security features be compatible with Linux or won't I need them? Any security features that are worth having will indeed be compatible with Linux. 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URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090204/dd552a30/attachment.htm From tom-lists-clug2@hidden Wed Feb 4 17:09:09 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Wed Feb 4 18:09:13 2009 Subject: Please Unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <4f05ae610902040859u4b94ad6bw185854ac0172363b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4f05ae610902040859u4b94ad6bw185854ac0172363b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090204170909.GA16411@weber> In the headers of every message are the following details: List-Unsubscribe: , From dom@hidden Wed Feb 4 23:47:38 2009 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Wed Feb 4 23:47:51 2009 Subject: domain providers In-Reply-To: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> References: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> Message-ID: <200902042347.38333.dom@latter.org> On Wednesday 04 February 2009 15:58:48 b nicolson wrote: > I'm thinking of signing up to 1&1 for their email services. What I'd like > to know is: > > Are they any good? What are you after? > Will the security features be compatible with Linux or won't I need them? I'm not sure what that means. I've found this lot: http://www.virtualnames.co.uk/ excellent for what you might call "small" or "private" domains. I.e. 20 quid a year for a small website (but fully LAMPed) and POP / IMAP / Webmail / SMTP support for 10 mailboxes (and a variety of forwarding options for unknown usernames). From sam.kuper@hidden Wed Feb 4 23:31:13 2009 From: sam.kuper@hidden (Sam Kuper) Date: Thu Feb 5 00:31:20 2009 Subject: domain providers In-Reply-To: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> References: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> Message-ID: <4126b3450902041531x1561e149nf5a11041c1bcd342@mail.gmail.com> I quite like Dreamhost. They use Debian, but that's not the only reason I like (and use) them; they're also an excellent choice for PHP/MySQL hosting, e.g. for MediaWiki, Drupal, etc. At the risk of sounding like a company rep (which I'm not), if you're quick, you'll get this very good deal: http://www.dreamhost.com/promo-777.html which includes, IIUC, all this: http://www.dreamhost.com/hosting.html Catches: - DH can't register .uk domains - not ideal for hosting python/java/rails apps. From mcconville.steve@hidden Wed Feb 4 23:38:58 2009 From: mcconville.steve@hidden (Steve McConville) Date: Thu Feb 5 00:39:02 2009 Subject: domain providers In-Reply-To: <200902042347.38333.dom@latter.org> References: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> <200902042347.38333.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <56652bc0902041538g385462f7uac2e90b402c2730b@mail.gmail.com> I've not used them, but these guys seem to have a similar offering http://www.34sp.com/personal-hosting They use FreeBSD rather than GNU/Linux, and I can see why BSD is attractive for the admins of such shared hosting offerings. > I've found this lot: > http://www.virtualnames.co.uk/ > excellent for what you might call "small" or "private" domains. -- steev http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/ From dom@hidden Thu Feb 5 09:45:16 2009 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Thu Feb 5 09:45:29 2009 Subject: domain providers In-Reply-To: <56652bc0902041538g385462f7uac2e90b402c2730b@mail.gmail.com> References: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> <200902042347.38333.dom@latter.org> <56652bc0902041538g385462f7uac2e90b402c2730b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902050945.16585.dom@latter.org> On Thursday 05 February 2009 00:38:58 Steve McConville wrote: > I've not used them, but these guys seem to have a similar offering > > http://www.34sp.com/personal-hosting Yep, seen them recommended before. Lots more disk space than virtualnames *but* no SMTP support included, which is very useful even if you're just using it as a backup; I've been using virtualnames as my main outgoing SMTP relay for years now. From sparkle60@hidden Thu Feb 5 09:45:22 2009 From: sparkle60@hidden (b nicolson) Date: Thu Feb 5 10:45:30 2009 Subject: domain providers Message-ID: <42453.1233827122@uk2.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090205/add32850/attachment.htm From jt@hidden Thu Feb 5 11:06:08 2009 From: jt@hidden (jt@camalyn.org) Date: Thu Feb 5 12:07:50 2009 Subject: Adding Raid to an existing Install Message-ID: <1233831969.4281.15.camel@linux-qtk6.site> hi List, I'm hoping that someone can help. I have in total 3 IDE drives. 1 IDE drive I call the OS drive and I have installed Opensuse 11.1 onto that. I've also installed 2 IDE data drives connected to a Highpoint raid controller in a mirrored configuration. These drives have existing data on that I want to keep. Does anybody have experience or know how to get the mirrored drives to appear as 1 rather than 2 so that I cant read or write from either. Thanks JAMES From onepoint@hidden Thu Feb 5 15:43:31 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Thu Feb 5 16:43:41 2009 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 04:52:55PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > 2009/1/30 Jeremy Henty : > > I think that starting regular CamLUG meeting will be great think and > one of such meeting might be about Dillo with is interesting > project. Hmm. I suppose I could knock up a short web presentation if someone supplied a laptop to display it. If they installed Dillo I could demo it. (And if they installed the development version from mercurial I could demo the current state of CSS support.) Is there any useful quick and easy web presentation software? Regards, Jeremy Henty From marcus@hidden Thu Feb 5 16:03:49 2009 From: marcus@hidden (Marcus Williams) Date: Thu Feb 5 17:04:10 2009 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> On 05/02/2009 15:43, Jeremy Henty wrote: > Is there any useful quick and easy web presentation software? Eric Meyer's S5 [1] is pretty good - if Dillo is good enough on javascript and css support you might even be able to present directly in Dillo. Marcus [1] http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ From onepoint@hidden Thu Feb 5 17:57:48 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Thu Feb 5 18:58:00 2009 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 04:03:49PM +0000, Marcus Williams wrote: > On 05/02/2009 15:43, Jeremy Henty wrote: >> Is there any useful quick and easy web presentation software? > > Eric Meyer's S5 [1] is pretty good That looks very nice! > if Dillo is good enough on javascript and css support you might even > be able to present directly in Dillo. We don't do javascript yet. :-( I'd have to present in Firefox. Oh, the embarrassment! Regards, Jeremy Henty From onepoint@hidden Thu Feb 5 18:03:57 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Thu Feb 5 19:04:08 2009 Subject: Appeal for help from the NO2ID campaign Message-ID: <20090205180357.GG2934@omphalos.singularity> Can anyone lend a technical hand to the NO2ID campaign? We're running the Cambridge stream of the Convention on Modern Liberty in the Cambridge Union on Saturday 28th February and we need help with the video feed. If you can help, please contact me or Andrew Watson . TIA! Cheers, Jeremy Henty ----- Forwarded message from Andrew Watson ----- From: Andrew Watson To: No2ID Cambridge group Subject: [IDcards-Cambridge] "Convention on Modern Liberty" - and appeal for A/V help Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:36:50 +0000 X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.1.7 Good Morning, The programme for the Cambridge stream of the "Convention on Modern Liberty" on Saturday 28th February is almost complete. We've secured a Minister (Bill Rammell) to speak at the afternoon debate on civil liberties, along with David Howarth MP, Tariq Sadiq and Prof. Andrew Gamble. There will be four morning panels sessions on Communications Privacy, The Database State, Censorship, and eGovernment: http://www.modernliberty.net/satellite-conventions/cambridge At the start and end of the day we'll be watching a video feed from the London event, where Shami Chakrabarti will give the opening address, and Nick Clegg MP, Dominic Grieve QC MP, Helena Kennedy QC, Ken Macdonald QC, Philip Pullman, Cory Doctorow, Chris Huhne MP, Will Hutton, Caroline Lucas MEP, Chuka Umunna, David Davis MP and others will participate in web-cast panels and talks: http://www.modernliberty.net/programme It promises to be a very interesting day - I hope you can make it, and please also spread the word to anyone else you think might be interested. Admission will be free, with donations appreciated. Lastly, an appeal - successfully piping that video feed into the Cambridge Union and projecting it onto a screen is vitally important to the success of the event. A first-rate team is working on sending the feed from London; I'm looking for a couple of volunteers to configure, trouble-shoot and run the set-up at our end. If you have some experience with networking and simple A/V on PCs or Macs, and know one end of Cat 5e cable from the other (*), your help would be greatly appreciated. Please drop me a note. Thanks, Andrew * Trick question, of course, as they're both the same :-). _______________________________________________ IDcards-Cambridge mailing list IDcards-Cambridge@lists.beasts.org http://lists.beasts.org/mailman/listinfo/idcards-cambridge ----- End forwarded message ----- From wawrzek@hidden Thu Feb 5 23:45:53 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri Feb 6 00:46:02 2009 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: Hi, So I can provide laptop. It is old PIII 900Mhz with dead batter but Dillo should go well with it and I can build Dillo from source. Do you know about any place we can arrange the meeting? Anybody has contact on the univ (old or new ;) Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From onepoint@hidden Fri Feb 6 14:42:38 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri Feb 6 15:42:49 2009 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 11:45:53PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > So I can provide laptop. It is old PIII 900Mhz with dead batter but > Dillo should go well with it and I can build Dillo from source. Excellent! > Do you know about any place we can arrange the meeting? Anybody has > contact on the univ (old or new ;) Blimey, that's a bit formal! I was imagining us sitting around the laptop in a pub or a coffee shop. NO2ID has shown a film at the Cafe' Project in Jesus Lane. Maybe they would let us in? Cheers, Jeremy Henty From wawrzek@hidden Fri Feb 6 14:53:58 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri Feb 6 15:54:09 2009 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: 2009/2/6 Jeremy Henty : > On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 11:45:53PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > >> So I can provide laptop. It is old PIII 900Mhz with dead batter but >> Dillo should go well with it and I can build Dillo from source. > > Excellent! > I try to do this during this weekend. >> Do you know about any place we can arrange the meeting? Anybody has >> contact on the univ (old or new ;) > > Blimey, that's a bit formal! I was imagining us sitting around the > laptop in a pub or a coffee shop. NO2ID has shown a film at the Cafe' > Project in Jesus Lane. Maybe they would let us in? > Sounds good for first meeting. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From clug@hidden Fri Feb 6 15:00:55 2009 From: clug@hidden (David Thorne) Date: Fri Feb 6 16:01:07 2009 Subject: Meeting on Sunday (Was Dillo...) In-Reply-To: References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <498C50A7.7070102@the-thornes.co.uk> --- Cut --- >> Blimey, that's a bit formal! I was imagining us sitting around the >> laptop in a pub or a coffee shop. NO2ID has shown a film at the Cafe' >> Project in Jesus Lane. Maybe they would let us in? >> >> > > Sounds good for first meeting. > > Wawrzek > Meeting used to take place at CB2 on 2nd Sun of each month. In fact myself and a friend of mine are heading to CB2 in the hope of meeting otehr linux users :) Anyone else up for it? Its been ages since I've had a Sunday free! From dom@hidden Fri Feb 6 16:39:07 2009 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Fri Feb 6 16:39:41 2009 Subject: Encrypted filesystems. Message-ID: <200902061639.07829.dom@latter.org> Anybody got experience of using encrypted filesystems? There seem to be many different systems available. Which ones go up to eleven and which ones are only eleven inches high? From onepoint@hidden Fri Feb 6 15:48:29 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri Feb 6 16:48:39 2009 Subject: Meeting on Sunday (Was Dillo...) In-Reply-To: <498C50A7.7070102@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> <498C50A7.7070102@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090206154829.GD32473@omphalos.singularity> On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 03:00:55PM +0000, David Thorne wrote: > Meeting used to take place at CB2 on 2nd Sun of each month. In fact > myself and a friend of mine are heading to CB2 in the hope of meeting > otehr linux users :) Anyone else up for it? Its been ages since I've > had a Sunday free! OK, see you there. When? (Let's see if I can write a presentation in a day, with a hangover.) Regards, Jeremy Henty From wawrzek@hidden Fri Feb 6 15:52:08 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri Feb 6 16:52:18 2009 Subject: Meeting on Sunday (Was Dillo...) In-Reply-To: <20090206154829.GD32473@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> <498C50A7.7070102@the-thornes.co.uk> <20090206154829.GD32473@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: 2009/2/6 Jeremy Henty : > On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 03:00:55PM +0000, David Thorne wrote: >> Meeting used to take place at CB2 on 2nd Sun of each month. In fact >> myself and a friend of mine are heading to CB2 in the hope of meeting >> otehr linux users :) Anyone else up for it? Its been ages since I've >> had a Sunday free! > > OK, see you there. When? (Let's see if I can write a presentation in > a day, with a hangover.) > I cannot be on Sunday ... but have fun. I'm living in Ely and working in Cambridge and I prefer meeting on weekday so I can minize trip time and spent more time with family. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From clug@hidden Fri Feb 6 16:06:35 2009 From: clug@hidden (David Thorne) Date: Fri Feb 6 17:06:53 2009 Subject: Encrypted filesystems. In-Reply-To: <200902061639.07829.dom@latter.org> References: <200902061639.07829.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <498C600B.8060006@the-thornes.co.uk> I encrypt all my laptops using the built in encryption of Fedora or Ubuntu (Both of which I believe are based of LUKS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Unified_Key_Setup) ) I've never tried to break it as I don't have a spare laptop I mind loosing all the information on (Even with back ups I like to keep information if I can) I've also used BesCrypt before on installations that have a legal requirement for encryption of a certain level - and this was a pain to get working but very good once I had compiled it etc. Dave Dom Latter wrote: > Anybody got experience of using encrypted filesystems? > > There seem to be many different systems available. > > Which ones go up to eleven and which ones are only eleven inches high? > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From dom@hidden Fri Feb 6 17:39:05 2009 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Fri Feb 6 17:39:39 2009 Subject: Encrypted filesystems. In-Reply-To: <498C600B.8060006@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <200902061639.07829.dom@latter.org> <498C600B.8060006@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <200902061739.05270.dom@latter.org> On Friday 06 February 2009 17:06:35 David Thorne wrote: > I've also used BesCrypt before on installations that have a legal > requirement for encryption of a certain level Why? Looking at the wikipage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BestCrypt it seems to be a wrapper for standard algorithms such as AES, Blowfish etc. From clug@hidden Fri Feb 6 16:42:44 2009 From: clug@hidden (David Thorne) Date: Fri Feb 6 17:42:59 2009 Subject: Encrypted filesystems. In-Reply-To: <200902061739.05270.dom@latter.org> References: <200902061639.07829.dom@latter.org> <498C600B.8060006@the-thornes.co.uk> <200902061739.05270.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <498C6884.6040004@the-thornes.co.uk> Basically I used it as it had been previously used and the client (A govt agency) was happy to use it. If they are happy with it and I am happy with it I'll use it. Only used LUKS more recently, as I don't have clearence to work on Govt contracts anymore (It was the cmpany I worked for that was cleared not me individually) Dom Latter wrote: > On Friday 06 February 2009 17:06:35 David Thorne wrote: > > >> I've also used BesCrypt before on installations that have a legal >> requirement for encryption of a certain level >> > > Why? Looking at the wikipage: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BestCrypt > it seems to be a wrapper for standard algorithms such as AES, Blowfish etc. > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From dom@hidden Fri Feb 6 19:02:46 2009 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Fri Feb 6 19:03:24 2009 Subject: Encrypted filesystems. In-Reply-To: <498C600B.8060006@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <200902061639.07829.dom@latter.org> <498C600B.8060006@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <200902061902.47161.dom@latter.org> [first effort went off-list - maybe David will post *his* reply to the list in turn...] On Friday 06 February 2009 17:06:35 David Thorne wrote: > I encrypt all my laptops using the built in encryption of Fedora or > Ubuntu (Both of which I believe are based of LUKS > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Unified_Key_Setup) ) I've never Is that dm-crypt based then? Which are the tools for this built-in encryption in Ubuntu? Looking at synaptic I've found cfs - uses DES? - filelevel encryption cryptmount: dm-crypt? ; ?sets up encrypted folumes cryptsetup: dm-crypt / cryptoloop ; similar encfs - file level encryption For backup: duplicity for backup Rsyncrypto ; rsync friendly From support@hidden Fri Feb 6 20:09:32 2009 From: support@hidden (support) Date: Fri Feb 6 21:03:21 2009 Subject: Encryption technologies Message-ID: <498C98FC.2080402@anothermouse.com> Lots of experience with them:) For my customers that are security aare and take their laptops with them, I recommend Sony Vaios which have the capability to have hardware encryption that is transparent to the user. This means that effectively if the laptop is stolen/lost, the data is secure. Ideally, it should mean that people don't bother to steal them, but unfortunately Vaios are nice PCs, and not everyone implements he encryption:(.....so 3 Vaios lost by my customers in the past 2 years. Next area are those that creat an encrypted partition or file. These are great for providing a high level of security - Always go for full drive encryption if security is an issue, ...remember that temp files get created! This software includes the likes of TrueCrypt, BestCrypt etc. which can be provided to individual 'containers' in which you store your files. The encryption technology of these is well understood, and often modular, so you can change the level/complexity/robustness of the encryption that you use, or comply with local legislative requirements with respect to encryption. Many of these solutions provide 'plausible deniability' , in that you can deny that the encryptio even exists, so that even under duress, ou can deny the existance of the encrypted items. These solutions are often cross platform compatable, soyou can read them on *nix/doze systems. Main disadvantage is potential key weakness (human factor), and the fact that there is normally only a single 'key' to unlock the encryption. Incidentally, encryption technologies can be difficult to implement on a linux platform, unless avilable with the distribution concerned due to integration required with the kernel/other dependencies required. If you're cofortable building kernels, then you shouldn't have a problem, although it might be a bit fiddly. Next, and my preferred securing mechanism for linux systems that do not have ample physical security is LUKS. The great advantage of this is multiple keys available for unlocking the protected media. It's robust, reliable, and relatively easy to implement, with the option of addition of administrative keys which can be secured in a safe in the event the the pass holder is not available after some random reboot/hardware issue. Unfortunately, as far as I'm aware, LUKS is still *nix only. However if you don't require the multiple password control, then any of the true/best crytp type solutions willbe more than adequate for most people. Of course, having an encypted filesystem makes data significantly more complex to access. If something goes wrong with the encryption, then forget trying to recover the data.....so a good backup policy is a must! For Windows, you have the 'Secure Safe' functionality, which whilst it probablyis secure(ish), hasn't been opened up to peer review, so I guess it depends whether you trust M$ programmers? There's also the Encrypted Filing System (EFS), which is probably secure....but who knows whether there is a M$ back door....no independent peer review of the coding. I know what I'd prefer to use to protect my data. I use various solutions for attacking this type of password protected item, and normally the ones that don't stand up to an attack fail due to human choice of password. Always get a computer to pick it for average users, or protect it wit ha USB key+passphrase. My master passphrase is pretty big....but extremely easy to remember. I'd welcome other people's views on the encryption that they use. Ooooooooh - This is scary.....the CLUG mailing list has some traffic on it!! Regards Peter Dom Latter wrote: > > Anybody got experience of using encrypted filesystems? > > > > There seem to be many different systems available. > > > > Which ones go up to eleven and which ones are only eleven inches high? > > _______________________________________________ > > CLUG mailing list > > clug@cambridge-lug.org > > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > > From support@hidden Sat Feb 7 19:35:10 2009 From: support@hidden (support) Date: Sat Feb 7 20:29:03 2009 Subject: OK - time to give up on encryption..... Message-ID: <498DE26E.2060807@anothermouse.com> After a little bit of research on the encryption side of life, I've decided that LUKS/dm-crypt is probably a better option than most others, as it offers the possibility of multiple pass phrases. I have just been trying out LUKS encryptd file structures on Windows thanks to this (On the fly encryption): http://www.freeotfe.org/download.html Definitely well worth a play with! However, looks as if someone really wants the info on my drive then I'm stuffed!!!: http://citp.princeton.edu/pub/coldboot.pdf Might have a go at this....as I've now got 1002 things to do with liquid nitrogen?: http://www.physik.uni-augsburg.de/~ubws/nitrogen.html Regards Peter From dom@hidden Sat Feb 7 23:27:07 2009 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Sat Feb 7 23:27:41 2009 Subject: OK - time to give up on encryption..... In-Reply-To: <498DE26E.2060807@anothermouse.com> References: <498DE26E.2060807@anothermouse.com> Message-ID: <200902072327.07480.dom@latter.org> On Saturday 07 February 2009 20:35:10 support wrote: > Definitely well worth a play with! However, looks as if someone really > wants the info on my drive then I'm stuffed!!!: > > http://citp.princeton.edu/pub/coldboot.pdf In practical terms it doesn't make much if any difference, depending on who you are trying to defeat. The following is informative reading: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1141047297126 When the FBI (probably with their friends in the NSA etc) needed to decrypt a PGP-encrypted hard drive, 1) it took them a *long* time 2) they did it by password-guessing, not cracking the actual encryption. From onepoint@hidden Sun Feb 8 14:51:06 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Sun Feb 8 15:51:16 2009 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! Message-ID: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> Arrived at CB2 to discover they were closed: "we've got no water"! (Did a pipe burst?) Hung around outside between 1.30 and 2.10 reading a book with an A4 Tux poster propped against my rucksack, but no-one took the bait so I came home. Better luck next time I guess. Jeremy Henty From support@hidden Sun Feb 8 17:11:01 2009 From: support@hidden (support) Date: Sun Feb 8 18:04:57 2009 Subject: Relocation of CLUG Meeting Message-ID: <498F1225.40700@anothermouse.com> Sorry to hear that Jeremy hung around outside. We left a note in the window saying that we had moved to the Tram Shed (about 1:15pm because of the pipe burst in CB2). Next time? Peter From onepoint@hidden Sun Feb 8 18:52:32 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Sun Feb 8 19:52:48 2009 Subject: Relocation of CLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <498F1225.40700@anothermouse.com> References: <498F1225.40700@anothermouse.com> Message-ID: <20090208185232.GB25867@omphalos.singularity> Peter wrote: > We left a note in the window saying that we had moved to the Tram > Shed (about 1:15pm because of the pipe burst in CB2). Drat! I didn't think to look in the window and I aimed to arrive for 1:30 and missed you. > Next time? Sure! Jeremy Henty From onepoint@hidden Mon Feb 9 09:58:56 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Mon Feb 9 10:59:11 2009 Subject: Relocation of CLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <20090208185232.GB25867@omphalos.singularity> References: <498F1225.40700@anothermouse.com> <20090208185232.GB25867@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090209095856.GC25867@omphalos.singularity> On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 06:52:32PM +0000, Jeremy Henty wrote: > > Peter wrote: > > > Next time? > > Sure! Oops, no I can't be there. Band rehearsal in London. Jeremy Henty From wawrzek@hidden Mon Feb 9 13:51:07 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon Feb 9 14:51:12 2009 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: 2009/2/6 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : > 2009/2/6 Jeremy Henty : >> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 11:45:53PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: >> >>> So I can provide laptop. It is old PIII 900Mhz with dead batter but >>> Dillo should go well with it and I can build Dillo from source. >> >> Excellent! >> > I try to do this during this weekend. I didn't have time to do this. Mostly because fights with my father Ubuntu (HP 1018 and Skype not working). I'm going to this during this week. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From clug@hidden Mon Feb 9 16:25:18 2009 From: clug@hidden (Longman) Date: Mon Feb 9 17:23:39 2009 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> * Jeremy Henty wrote: > Arrived at CB2 to discover they were closed: "we've got no water"! > (Did a pipe burst?) Hung around outside between 1.30 and 2.10 reading > a book with an A4 Tux poster propped against my rucksack, but no-one > took the bait so I came home. Better luck next time I guess. Reminds me of when I went in there to play a game of Chess last year and they had no gas. From clug@hidden Mon Feb 9 16:29:35 2009 From: clug@hidden (David Thorne) Date: Mon Feb 9 17:29:55 2009 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. It's basically a case of cross East Road and then turn right at the gate thing you meet. It's a great pub for real ale if you like such things, does do Coffee (Though I have never braved it) has sofas and actually is fairly quiet on the Sunday. Any thoughts of additional places we could look at? We have until 8th March to decide for the next Sunday meeting. I'd also like to recommend that we look at 1 week night meeting a month and 1 Sunday meeting. Those who can only make one can at least join in, those of us ubergeeks who would like to make 2 would of course be welcome to attend both :-) Any objections? Longman wrote: > * Jeremy Henty wrote: > >> Arrived at CB2 to discover they were closed: "we've got no water"! >> (Did a pipe burst?) Hung around outside between 1.30 and 2.10 reading >> a book with an A4 Tux poster propped against my rucksack, but no-one >> took the bait so I came home. Better luck next time I guess. >> > > Reminds me of when I went in there to play a game of Chess last year and > they had no gas. > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From clug@hidden Mon Feb 9 16:58:17 2009 From: clug@hidden (Longman) Date: Mon Feb 9 17:56:24 2009 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <499060A9.9000208@gasops.co.uk> * David Thorne wrote: > I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. Fine by me as I live pretty much opposite it ;-) From onepoint@hidden Tue Feb 10 12:18:45 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Tue Feb 10 13:18:56 2009 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: References: <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090210121845.GG25867@omphalos.singularity> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 01:51:07PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > I didn't have time to do this. Mostly because fights with my father > Ubuntu (HP 1018 and Skype not working). I'm going to this during > this week. Great! Hope there aren't any problems. Jeremy Henty From onepoint@hidden Tue Feb 10 15:19:54 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Tue Feb 10 16:20:05 2009 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090210151954.GM25867@omphalos.singularity> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 04:29:35PM +0000, David Thorne wrote: > I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. Good idea. > I'd also like to recommend that we look at 1 week night meeting a > month and 1 Sunday meeting. That's also a good idea, as we alrady know that some people want Sundays free for other things. Regards, Jeremy Henty -- I compiled Linux From Scratch and all I got was this lousy command line! From mark_w@hidden Wed Feb 11 14:35:15 2009 From: mark_w@hidden (Mark Wyatt) Date: Wed Feb 11 15:47:19 2009 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! (Jeremy Henty) Message-ID: <20090211143515.DDC1FBE407B@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> While I agree that a 'generic backup' is an excellent idea, could someone tell me whether the Tram Depot has WiFi (and maybe even electricity sockets that they don't object to people using)? If it does, it would sound ideal. If it doesn't maybe we need to consider the other options? Mark PS > I compiled Linux From Scratch and all I got was this lousy command > line! Great sig! Almost good enough to steal... It would make a good T shirt, too > ----- Original Message ----- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:19:54 +0000 > From: Jeremy Henty > Subject: Re: CLUG meeting: epic fail! > To: clug@cambridge-lug.org > Message-ID: <20090210151954.GM25867@omphalos.singularity> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 04:29:35PM +0000, David Thorne wrote: > > I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. > > Good idea. > > > I'd also like to recommend that we look at 1 week night meeting a > > month and 1 Sunday meeting. > > That's also a good idea, as we alrady know that some people want > Sundays free for other things. > > Regards, > > Jeremy Henty > -- > I compiled Linux From Scratch and all I got was this lousy command > line! > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > > End of CLUG Digest, Vol 66, Issue 10 > ************************************ > Regards -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From clug@hidden Wed Feb 11 14:49:49 2009 From: clug@hidden (David Thorne) Date: Wed Feb 11 15:50:08 2009 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! (Jeremy Henty) In-Reply-To: <20090211143515.DDC1FBE407B@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090211143515.DDC1FBE407B@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4992E58D.3070903@the-thornes.co.uk> Good point Mark, I'll ask if they have wifi next time I am there. They do have electricty sockets but I will double check customers can use them/how accessable they are. Does anyone know of any other location fairly close to the CB2 that does Wifi/Electricity? I know starbucks does but it's a TMobile subscription service for the Wifi and I don't know how happy people would be with that. Regards, David Mark Wyatt wrote: > While I agree that a 'generic backup' is an excellent idea, could someone > tell me whether the Tram Depot has WiFi (and maybe even electricity sockets > that they don't object to people using)? > > If it does, it would sound ideal. If it doesn't maybe we need to consider > the other options? > > Mark > > PS > >> I compiled Linux From Scratch and all I got was this lousy command >> line! >> > > Great sig! Almost good enough to steal... It would make a good T > shirt, too > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:19:54 +0000 >> From: Jeremy Henty >> Subject: Re: CLUG meeting: epic fail! >> To: clug@cambridge-lug.org >> Message-ID: <20090210151954.GM25867@omphalos.singularity> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 04:29:35PM +0000, David Thorne wrote: >> >>> I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. >>> >> Good idea. >> >> >>> I'd also like to recommend that we look at 1 week night meeting a >>> month and 1 Sunday meeting. >>> >> That's also a good idea, as we alrady know that some people want >> Sundays free for other things. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeremy Henty >> -- >> I compiled Linux From Scratch and all I got was this lousy command >> line! >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug@cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> >> >> End of CLUG Digest, Vol 66, Issue 10 >> ************************************ >> > > > > > > Regards > > > From jt@hidden Wed Feb 11 19:06:40 2009 From: jt@hidden (jt@camalyn.org) Date: Wed Feb 11 20:08:31 2009 Subject: JOB: Database (MySQL preferred) Architect, Reading, United Kingdom Message-ID: <1234379200.30278.11.camel@linux-qtk6.site> JOB: ? Hi List, I am working with a client in Reading (Berkshire) that are looking to recruit a high-level specialist, someone who has experience in large-scale deployments and can come in and tell them what they need to be doing without going through a significant learning process first. Whilst they currently run with MySQL they do not necessarily need to hire a MySQL guru, however the database architect should certainly be familiar with MySQL. What?s more important is that the database architect has experience designing large, replicated, globally distributed databases built for performance. ?Whilst the developers have had some involvement with capacity planning and performance monitoring of the live system in conjunction with the operations team this responsibility will move entirely to the database architect over time. ?This isn't a development role so the db architect wouldn't be taking over the writing of all SQL or anything but they would be expected to use their expertise in advising the developers how best to tune their code. ?Stored procedures are not currently used but they will probably look at it in the future and this again would be something that the architect would certainly get involved in as well revisit existing SQL with a view to perhaps rewrite and/ or optimise. They are running a mixture of ?MySQL 4.1 and 5.0. They don't run enterprise as they always aim to employ talented staff so they can support everything as far as possible in house. This goes for the OS as well, which is why they use CentOS and not RHEL. ? Although part of the job will involve finding new opportunities to exploit new features or better use existing ones there are ?no immediate plans to upgrade to 5.1. There are no specific bottlenecks or db problems as such, the focus is changing in such a way that they need to be able to store more data and consequently they need to have the architect in place. However, there is a focus on continual improvement of what they have. As with all IT systems, there is always something that can be optimised. Identifying potential future bottlenecks and avoiding them is also part of the role. In terms of the number of high transactional servers - which would be the definite focus - we are looking at high 30s. They do use MySQL replication but not clustering at this time. Regarding salary, I have previously recruited a MySQL database admin/ architect onto a base salary of ?55k in Reading. This client is open-minded to paying this or above for the right person and can help with relocation too. For more information please contact me off list. You can leave a voice mail for me on 07952 145 127 or e-mail me (which is better). My e-mail address is james@camalyn.org All the best, JAMES From dom@hidden Thu Feb 12 10:59:51 2009 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Thu Feb 12 11:00:04 2009 Subject: Virtualisation. Message-ID: <200902121059.51681.dom@latter.org> As part pf the same project that calls for an encrypted filesystem, I'm looking at running a virtual machine. The main server is intended to be highly secure and will run a subversion server as a document repository. The client then mentioned moving their email and web servers on to this machine. To keep things secure I think it's best to run this on a VM. Security / separation is probably more important than performance. I think Xen looks like the best candidate for the job. Vserver is fast but doesn't provide as much separation. UML is my other current option. We've got a VT-enabled Xeon to run on so it will play nicely with Xen. Any thoughts? From clug@hidden Thu Feb 12 11:30:30 2009 From: clug@hidden (David Thorne) Date: Thu Feb 12 12:30:39 2009 Subject: Virtualisation. In-Reply-To: <200902121059.51681.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <859553676.351234438229961.JavaMail.root@contemporaryfusion.co.uk> We run Xen at work quite extensivly, both in a commercial environment through Citrix Xen Enterprise and also the OSS version that comes with RHEL/CentOS and the likes. I have never had a problem with it, in fact I love it. The only reason I don't use it for all my VMs is the GUI's that exist for it on the desktop - in my opinion - suck. If you don't require a GUI (And as this is a secure server I would highly recommend you did not let X any where near the machine - a good golden rule as I am sure you know is only install what you need) I am probably doing a Refresh talk on VM's in April. If you would like I would be more than happy to show you a sneak preview of my presentation if you would like, as I suspect April will be quite a long time to wait for an active project. I am pretty sure you are on the Refresh Cambridge list, if not it's available to subscribe at http://www.refreshcambridge.org/ Hope this helps, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dom Latter" To: clug@cambridge-lug.org Sent: Thursday, 12 February, 2009 9:59:51 AM GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Virtualisation. As part pf the same project that calls for an encrypted filesystem, I'm looking at running a virtual machine. The main server is intended to be highly secure and will run a subversion server as a document repository. The client then mentioned moving their email and web servers on to this machine. To keep things secure I think it's best to run this on a VM. Security / separation is probably more important than performance. I think Xen looks like the best candidate for the job. Vserver is fast but doesn't provide as much separation. UML is my other current option. We've got a VT-enabled Xeon to run on so it will play nicely with Xen. Any thoughts? _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug@cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From dom@hidden Thu Feb 12 13:01:26 2009 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Thu Feb 12 13:01:42 2009 Subject: Virtualisation. In-Reply-To: <859553676.351234438229961.JavaMail.root@contemporaryfusion.co.uk> References: <859553676.351234438229961.JavaMail.root@contemporaryfusion.co.uk> Message-ID: <200902121301.26879.dom@latter.org> On Thursday 12 February 2009 12:30:30 David Thorne wrote: [Xen] > I have never had a problem with it, in fact I love it. The only reason I I've been warned about disk performance - had any issues there? > don't use it for all my VMs is the GUI's that exist for it on the desktop - > in my opinion - suck. If you don't require a GUI (And as this is a secure Do you mean GUI tools? > I am probably doing a Refresh talk on VM's in April. If you would like I > would be more than happy to show you a sneak preview of my presentation if > you would like, as I suspect April will be quite a long time to wait for an I think I need to decide today, really! > active project. I am pretty sure you are on the Refresh Cambridge list, if > not it's available to subscribe at http://www.refreshcambridge.org/ Certainly am. And if you see my name anywhere it's overwhelmingly likely to be me. From clug@hidden Thu Feb 12 14:32:01 2009 From: clug@hidden (David Thorne) Date: Thu Feb 12 15:32:19 2009 Subject: Virtualisation. In-Reply-To: <370202284.381234447983376.JavaMail.root@contemporaryfusion.co.uk> Message-ID: <1497039449.401234449121703.JavaMail.root@contemporaryfusion.co.uk> I haven't experienced major disk performence issues, I think it's down to how you partition and whether you use disk intesive processes such as software RAID, etc. Yes I mean with regards GUI Tools for setting up the VM's etc or if you are wanting a desktop (Say to test a new release of a distro prior to roll out) then I tend to use Sun's virtualbox. HTH Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dom Latter" To: clug@cambridge-lug.org Sent: Thursday, 12 February, 2009 12:01:26 PM GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: Virtualisation. On Thursday 12 February 2009 12:30:30 David Thorne wrote: [Xen] > I have never had a problem with it, in fact I love it. The only reason I I've been warned about disk performance - had any issues there? > don't use it for all my VMs is the GUI's that exist for it on the desktop - > in my opinion - suck. If you don't require a GUI (And as this is a secure Do you mean GUI tools? > I am probably doing a Refresh talk on VM's in April. If you would like I > would be more than happy to show you a sneak preview of my presentation if > you would like, as I suspect April will be quite a long time to wait for an I think I need to decide today, really! > active project. I am pretty sure you are on the Refresh Cambridge list, if > not it's available to subscribe at http://www.refreshcambridge.org/ Certainly am. And if you see my name anywhere it's overwhelmingly likely to be me. _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug@cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From drewfitzsimmons@hidden Thu Feb 12 20:19:08 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons@hidden (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Thu Feb 12 21:19:13 2009 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <126d63860902121219o15c691b2v65b3f59587e380d9@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:29 PM, David Thorne wrote: > It's a great pub for real ale if you like such things, > Any objections? I like drinking Ale :) I'm quite tempted to drag my self out of the house if there is gunna be beer. -- Drew Fitzsimmons From wawrzek@hidden Thu Feb 12 22:10:55 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Thu Feb 12 23:11:06 2009 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: 2009/2/9 David Thorne : > I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. It's > basically a case of cross East Road and then turn right at the gate thing > you meet. It's a great pub for real ale if you like such things, does do > Coffee (Though I have never braved it) has sofas and actually is fairly > quiet on the Sunday. > > Any thoughts of additional places we could look at? We have until 8th March > to decide for the next Sunday meeting. I'd also like to recommend that we > look at 1 week night meeting a month and 1 Sunday meeting. Those who can > only make one can at least join in, those of us ubergeeks who would like to > make 2 would of course be welcome to attend both :-) > > Any objections? Something opposite. Can I make one more step one suggest one of you guys as I leader/moderator of our monthly beer meetings ;) One person who will be remember about when and where we plan to meet. Maybe try to collect interesting ideas/funny situation from the meetings and share with others on the list. David, Longman (& others). What do you think? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From clug@hidden Fri Feb 13 09:12:02 2009 From: clug@hidden (David Thorne) Date: Fri Feb 13 10:12:16 2009 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <49953962.20301@the-thornes.co.uk> Fine by me - should we do this democractically? Or use what lug.org.uk says? They say Mark Roberts (mark taurine demon co uk) but I don't even know if he is even still on this list? If he isn't should we look at updating the lug list, if you are Mark do you have enough time to be the "leader of the group"? Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > 2009/2/9 David Thorne : > >> I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. It's >> basically a case of cross East Road and then turn right at the gate thing >> you meet. It's a great pub for real ale if you like such things, does do >> Coffee (Though I have never braved it) has sofas and actually is fairly >> quiet on the Sunday. >> >> Any thoughts of additional places we could look at? We have until 8th March >> to decide for the next Sunday meeting. I'd also like to recommend that we >> look at 1 week night meeting a month and 1 Sunday meeting. Those who can >> only make one can at least join in, those of us ubergeeks who would like to >> make 2 would of course be welcome to attend both :-) >> >> Any objections? >> > > Something opposite. > > Can I make one more step one suggest one of you guys as I > leader/moderator of our monthly beer meetings ;) One person who will > be remember about when and where we plan to meet. Maybe try to collect > interesting ideas/funny situation from the meetings and share with > others on the list. > > David, Longman (& others). What do you think? > > Wawrzek > From zen13321@hidden Sat Feb 14 12:27:28 2009 From: zen13321@hidden (Mark Roberts) Date: Sat Feb 14 13:27:27 2009 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <49953962.20301@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> <49953962.20301@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <4996B8B0.2000708@zen.co.uk> Hi All, > Fine by me - should we do this democractically? Or use what lug.org.uk > says? They say Mark Roberts (mark taurine demon co > uk) but I don't even know if he is even still on this list? If he > isn't should we look at updating the lug list, if you are Mark do you > have enough time to be the "leader of the group"? I am still on the list :) I'm not and have never been "leader of the group", indeed there hasn't been such a position for a long time - Richard Smith possibly was the leader when I first joined the mailing list sometime in 2000 and I inherited the user/pass to the web server for no reason other than enthusiasm when he moved away from Cambridge. I'm only listed there with lug.org.uk because someone ought to be. Does it really say leader? It ought to say contact. I do lurk on lug.org.uk mailing lists just to be sure nothing really important crops up that we ought to know about. You can tell from how often I post that this is a rare occurance! Is anyone else lurking on the lug.org.uk mailing lists? And I used to come to meetings regularly but the Sunday afternoon timing always caused tension with family. I would like to come along to meetings again, and I support the idea of an alternative time. The Sunday meets and venue are great if you can make it, but weekday evenings do seem more justifiable to family. Also considering timing, it would be a great idea to try to avoid clashing with related local groups. Recently I've begun to go to other events, such as Software East and BCS-SPA - both typically on a Wednesday. I'm intending to go to CHASE events too, typically on a Monday I think. Of course I always try to mention CLUG to people at these things if the opportunity crops up. (Hi to the chap I mentioned CLUG to at BCS-SPA on Wednesday if you are now on the list?) Writing this email is giving me a number of other ideas around CLUG. These are in the areas of meetings, website, marketing, and group history/philosophy/identity. I'll stop rambling, develop those some more and post a bit more in the very near future :) Best regards, Mark Roberts. From zen13321@hidden Mon Feb 16 21:05:26 2009 From: zen13321@hidden (Mark Roberts) Date: Mon Feb 16 22:05:19 2009 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <4996B8B0.2000708@zen.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> <49953962.20301@the-thornes.co.uk> <4996B8B0.2000708@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <4999D516.9010303@zen.co.uk> Hi All, > Writing this email is giving me a number of other ideas around CLUG. > These are in the areas of meetings, website, marketing, and group > history/philosophy/identity. I'll stop rambling, develop those some more > and post a bit more in the very near future :) I've thought some more but I haven't written it up yet. But since mentioning I had access to the hosting, I have had a query already about updating some user details on the gallery page :) I've just dusted off my shell credentials and they are still valid. But it looks as though the development process changed since I last used it, cos the staging area for the code doesn't match what is on the live site. Is Joseph Birr-Pixton still on this mailing list? Joseph, if you are still here can you email me please? And did anyone actively work on it since Joseph? What I'm looking for is what the development procedure is (there are/were scripts and tools for publishing changes) and what the credentials are for the database. Looking through my local CLUG mail archive I can see some discussion around October 2006, when Jon Green posted the "We're Very Much Alive!" message that still shows as the last update on the website. Was that really the last time we discussed it? I'm amazed. Best regards, Mark. From wawrzek@hidden Mon Feb 16 22:27:24 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (Wawrzyniec =?unknown-8bit?Q?Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon Feb 16 23:27:42 2009 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <4996B8B0.2000708@zen.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> <49953962.20301@the-thornes.co.uk> <4996B8B0.2000708@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090216222723.GC6850@gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:27:28PM +0000, Mark Roberts wrote: > Hi All, > > >Fine by me - should we do this democractically? [...] Rather no too much. In Democracy you need quorum, procedure etc. and groups like LUGs are not good in such things. In informal groups like LUG there are need for Leader people Leading rather than Rules who Rule a community. Nobody oppose my suggestion so there are no reason to bother about procedure too much. > I'm only listed there with lug.org.uk because someone ought to be. Does > it really say leader? It ought to say contact. I do lurk on lug.org.uk > mailing lists just to be sure nothing really important crops up that we > ought to know about. You can tell from how often I post that this is a > rare occurance! > Great news. I think that we should split duties related to CamLUG to small pieces and create the council rather than put everything onto arms of one man. > Is anyone else lurking on the lug.org.uk mailing lists? Oh, good idea. I'm going to join the list. [...] > Sunday meets and venue are great if you can make it, but weekday > evenings do seem more justifiable to family. > Indeed. > Also considering timing, it would be a great idea to try to avoid > clashing with related local groups. Recently I've begun to go to other [...] I think that Thursday might be a good week day. Not a Friday but close. > Writing this email is giving me a number of other ideas around CLUG. > These are in the areas of meetings, website, marketing, and group > history/philosophy/identity. I'll stop rambling, develop those some more > and post a bit more in the very near future :) > There was a project present August last year. -- Wawrzyniec Niewodniczañski vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From wawrzek@hidden Wed Feb 18 09:42:35 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed Feb 18 10:42:46 2009 Subject: Ftlk2 Message-ID: Hi, Ftlk2 cannot be build from crux port. The end of install log is bellow. I guess that nobody clean installation of fltk2 recently - the port itself depends on /usr/bin/fltk2-config, which I assume is a port of port. Wawrzek === installing OpenGL === Installing static OpenGL library in /usr/lib Installing shared OpenGL library in /usr/lib === installing fluid === Installing FLUID2 in /usr/bin... make[1]: /usr/bin/fltk2-config: Command not found make[1]: *** [install] Error 127 make: *** [install] Error 2 =======> ERROR: Building '/usr/ports/opt/fltk2/fltk2#r6525-1.pkg.tar.gz' failed. -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From clug@hidden Wed Feb 18 09:56:36 2009 From: clug@hidden (David Thorne) Date: Wed Feb 18 10:56:46 2009 Subject: CIR bandwidth monitoring tool for virtual hosts Message-ID: <499BDB54.5040607@the-thornes.co.uk> Hi guys, I have a problem and I don't know if anyone knows of a solution I could look at. The datacentre we use at work sells us our bandwidth using CIR. I monitor this closly using SNMP on each machine and looking at the data incoming. Does anyone know of a monitoring tool, SNMP based or otherwise to help me work out exactly which vhost on the machien is using all the bandwidth. Tools like webalizer allow me to see the total bandwidth in (say) MB's/GB's used but not as an information rate, which is what I need. I could write a very complex script to analyise the access logs and use the size of the file to give me an approximate usage but surely there has to be a tool out there that I've just missed. Dave From onepoint@hidden Wed Feb 18 10:02:49 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Wed Feb 18 11:03:00 2009 Subject: Ftlk2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090218100249.GU31759@omphalos.singularity> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 09:42:35AM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Ftlk2 cannot be build from crux port. The end of install log is > bellow. I guess that nobody clean installation of fltk2 recently Or maybe the crux port broke the build. I build the exact same version from source and there is no problem: "make install" installs fltk2-config early on and there is no problem if there is no pre-existing fltk2-config . (See the log at the end.) Maybe you could build it manually from source? "./configure --prefix=/usr ; make ; sudo make install" should do it. Cheers, Jeremy Henty $ sudo rm -i -- /usr/bin/fltk2-config rm: remove regular file `/usr/bin/fltk2-config'? y $ sudo make install === installing src === Installing include files in /usr/include/fltk... Installing FLTK1.1 emulation include files in /usr/include/fltk... Installing fltk2-config in /usr/bin... Installing static core library in /usr/lib Installing shared core library in /usr/lib === installing images === Installing static images library in /usr/lib Installing shared images library in /usr/lib === installing OpenGL === Installing static OpenGL library in /usr/lib Installing shared OpenGL library in /usr/lib === installing fluid === Installing FLUID2 in /usr/bin... === installing glut === Installing static glut library in /usr/lib Installing shared glut library in /usr/lib === installing test === === installing documentation === Installing man pages in /usr/share/man From wawrzek@hidden Wed Feb 18 12:05:03 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed Feb 18 13:05:14 2009 Subject: Ftlk2 In-Reply-To: <20090218100249.GU31759@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090218100249.GU31759@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: Hi, I send the message to the wrong list ;). Anyway how you see I tried to finalize dillo building. I also ordered battery to my laptop so it'll be ready for the presentation. And yes, I think that the Crux port is broken. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From dom@hidden Wed Feb 18 13:26:28 2009 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Wed Feb 18 13:26:45 2009 Subject: Wifi woes. Message-ID: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> I have an elderly laptop for websurfing and listening to the radio. It was on Ubuntu 7.10 but I think since 8.04 the wifi has been broken. Upgraded to 8.10, still broken; tried out the latest Fedora, ditto. Seems that it's a kernel issue, ever since 2.6.17-11: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=358004&page=6 I'm getting mighty fed up of trying out the module blacklisting options that some people have had success with. So I am toying with the idea of installing Gentoo because a) it's a very old machine that needs a lean mean distro and b) it would be reasonably easy (I hope) to pin back the kernel to one that still works. Unless someone's got a dead quick HowTo on rolling back Ubuntu 8.04 (I reinstalled *again*) to an old kernel. Sorry, not really sure what the questions are, mostly I just want to rant about a kernel bug that was first reported in 2006 and is still being a royal PITA with the very latest distros. From clug@hidden Wed Feb 18 13:01:23 2009 From: clug@hidden (David Thorne) Date: Wed Feb 18 14:01:40 2009 Subject: CIR bandwidth monitoring tool for virtual hosts Message-ID: <499C06A3.8090608@the-thornes.co.uk> Thanks Dom, I've got SNMP on there monitoring the total bandwidth already - I now need to break it down to individual hosts so I know which client is going over more accurately than "Yes well the only site receving traffic at this time was X" as funnily enough that didn't wash with our clients billing depts (As I told my bosses it wouldn't!) Thanks for the awk script will try it out and see if I can see what's what with regards the CIR rate on the machine and the vhosts - thanks. Dave Dom Latter wrote: > On Wednesday 18 February 2009 10:56:36 David Thorne wrote: > > >> Does anyone know of a monitoring tool, SNMP based or otherwise to help >> me work out exactly which vhost on the machien is using all the >> bandwidth. > > MRTG might be able to help; AIUI it is very adaptable: > http://oss.oetiker.ch/mrtg/ > > Failing that, every network monitoring tool in the history of networking: > http://www.slac.stanford.edu/xorg/nmtf/nmtf-tools.html > starting with the piece of notched wood used at Stonehenge. > > Somebody might have more specific and useful advice regarding vhosts. > > If you are logging your traffic into separate log files for each: > e.g. /var/log/apache2/www.latter.org-access_log then a script to parse > out and total your bytes is simple. I'd use awk: > > awk ' > BEGIN { n = sum = 0 } > { ++n; sum += $10; > #printf "%d\n", $10 > } > END { printf "n = %d, sum = %d\n", n, sum } > ' > > and then grep "18/Feb/2009:12" /var/log/apache2/www.whitelamp.com | > ./weblog_totaller.awk > is a quick hack to show that we've not had any honest visitors > recently . > > A slighly more complicated script could parse the dates and times and > collate > things like that. > > NB your $10 in the awk script is logfile dependent; uncomment the > printf line to see what values it is retrieving. > From onepoint@hidden Wed Feb 18 19:01:19 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Wed Feb 18 20:01:31 2009 Subject: Ftlk2 In-Reply-To: References: <20090218100249.GU31759@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090218190119.GF31759@omphalos.singularity> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:05:03PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Anyway how you see I tried to finalize dillo building. Yes, I assumed that was why you were installing FLTK2. > I also ordered battery to my laptop so it'll be ready for the > presentation. Looks like I'd better get writing! Is there a date/place for a meeting yet? I think someone suggested Thursdays, which are good for me. And what about a coffee house meeting this Sunday? Cheers, Jeremy Henty From clug@hidden Fri Feb 20 15:44:20 2009 From: clug@hidden (Longman) Date: Fri Feb 20 16:42:40 2009 Subject: Wifi woes. In-Reply-To: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> References: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> * Dom Latter wrote: > So I am toying with the idea of installing Gentoo because a) it's a > very old machine that needs a lean mean distro and b) it would be > reasonably easy (I hope) to pin back the kernel to one that still > works. The only comment I can make about Gentoo is make sure you use distributed compilation if it's a very old machine otherwise you'll be compiling code for days.. From wawrzek@hidden Fri Feb 20 15:55:22 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri Feb 20 16:55:30 2009 Subject: Wifi woes. In-Reply-To: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> References: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: 2009/2/18 Dom Latter : > So I am toying with the idea of installing Gentoo because a) it's a > very old machine that needs a lean mean distro and b) it would be > reasonably easy (I hope) to pin back the kernel to one that still > works. > You might also try Crux. http://crux.nu Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From wawrzek@hidden Fri Feb 20 16:10:05 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri Feb 20 17:10:16 2009 Subject: Ftlk2 In-Reply-To: <20090218190119.GF31759@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090218100249.GU31759@omphalos.singularity> <20090218190119.GF31759@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: 2009/2/18 Jeremy Henty : Hi, > Yes, I assumed that was why you were installing FLTK2. > Yes. Dillo is ready. No laptop batteries yet. The first impression of post2 version is not bad. > Looks like I'd better get writing! Is there a date/place for a > meeting yet? I think someone suggested Thursdays, which are good for > me. And what about a coffee house meeting this Sunday? I think one of two next Thursday (26th Feb or 5th Mar) should be fine. Let say 6P.M. What do you think? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From clug@hidden Fri Feb 20 16:24:52 2009 From: clug@hidden (Longman) Date: Fri Feb 20 17:22:58 2009 Subject: Wifi woes. In-Reply-To: <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> References: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <499ED954.6080106@gasops.co.uk> I only sent one email - honest guv! From tom-lists-clug2@hidden Fri Feb 20 17:19:14 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri Feb 20 18:19:20 2009 Subject: Wifi woes. In-Reply-To: <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> References: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090220171914.GA4646@weber> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 03:44:20PM +0000, Longman wrote: > * Dom Latter wrote: > > So I am toying with the idea of installing Gentoo because a) it's a > > very old machine that needs a lean mean distro and b) it would be > > reasonably easy (I hope) to pin back the kernel to one that still > > works. > > The only comment I can make about Gentoo is make sure you use > distributed compilation if it's a very old machine otherwise you'll be > compiling code for days.. Absolutely. If you want a lean mean disto for an old computer, I'd go with Debian every time. From onepoint@hidden Mon Feb 23 11:40:40 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Mon Feb 23 12:40:50 2009 Subject: Ftlk2 In-Reply-To: References: <20090218100249.GU31759@omphalos.singularity> <20090218190119.GF31759@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090223114040.GB22801@omphalos.singularity> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 04:10:05PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > I think one of two next Thursday (26th Feb or 5th Mar) should be > fine. Let say 6P.M. What do you think? 6pm 5th March is good. Where? Jeremy Henty From dom@hidden Mon Feb 23 16:28:23 2009 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Mon Feb 23 16:28:36 2009 Subject: Wifi woes. In-Reply-To: <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> References: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <200902231628.23406.dom@latter.org> On Friday 20 February 2009 16:44:20 Longman wrote: > The only comment I can make about Gentoo is make sure you use > distributed compilation if it's a very old machine otherwise you'll be > compiling code for days.. Yup. Few years ago I built up Gentoo the long way, on a Pentium MMX / 166. Took a while... From wawrzek@hidden Mon Feb 23 23:52:17 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (Wawrzyniec =?utf-8?Q?Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Tue Feb 24 00:52:31 2009 Subject: Metting 05/03/2009 Message-ID: <20090223235216.GA5681@gmail.com> Hi, Please add any notes about meeting here. Time: 5th of March 2009 6.00 PM Location: Any suggestion? I think the standard protocol is fine so CB2. Agenda: Jeremy Henty is going to present Dillo - very small web browser especially new (devel) option of interpreting CSS styles. I would like also like to discuss how we can help CamLUG to grow. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From zen13321@hidden Wed Feb 25 21:48:31 2009 From: zen13321@hidden (Mark Roberts) Date: Wed Feb 25 22:48:37 2009 Subject: Metting 05/03/2009 In-Reply-To: <20090223235216.GA5681@gmail.com> References: <20090223235216.GA5681@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A5BCAF.1010001@zen.co.uk> Hi, Great to see you keeping the energy going :) Just some constructive criticism: > Please add any notes about meeting here. > > Time: > 5th of March 2009 6.00 PM Interesting point really, 6PM probably suits people already in central Cambridge really well. And prevents everyone else. Personally I work 45 miles out from Cambridge so I don't even get home until after 6PM. But I could come along later on I guess, after the demo. I'm sure Dillo is great but I'm not coming for that TBH. No lack of respect intended Jeremy :) But you should go with a time that suits best the people that are definitely COMING. > I would like also like to discuss how we can help CamLUG to grow. In terms of 'growing' you might be surprised how many people consider themselves to be part of CLUG. The last time I saw the list there were more than 150 people subscribed to the mailing list. That was maybe 3 years ago, and list traffic was about the same as it is today. I think perhaps what you are trying to grow is attendance at meetings? Some people think that demand for meetings is low due to meetings not being all that exciting - no speakers or presentations for example. This could be true, but it could be that meetings don't happen because people don't have any appetite left for that sort of thing. There are so many other great technical groups in Cambridge (CHASE, BCS-SPA, Software East, CETC, many many more), along with all the stuff going on at the University. Please DO try to grow it, I'm just saying there are some surprising Cambridge-specific reasons why it might not happen. Best regards, Mark. From turnerst@hidden Wed Feb 25 23:38:03 2009 From: turnerst@hidden (Stuart Turner) Date: Thu Feb 26 00:38:12 2009 Subject: Metting 05/03/2009 In-Reply-To: <49A5BCAF.1010001@zen.co.uk> References: <20090223235216.GA5681@gmail.com> <49A5BCAF.1010001@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <007701c997a2$1bd30480$53790d80$@co.uk> It also feels quite intimidating to post to the list ... you know if you don't ask the right question you don't get an answer. And hell, to go to a meeting, I think I'd be laughed at even though I have a genuine interest in Open Source and the spirit it brings because I'm not technical enough ... It's a bit like your first DIY job - it's very intimidating as you don't know quite what to ask for as it's the first time you've done it. Dare I say that groups like this don't encourage people, they just encourage people to stay away from it. Perhaps we should take a page from my running club - they have a "new members officer" who's job is nothing more than to make new members feel welcome and explain how things work - how nice that would be! - Stuart -----Original Message----- From: clug-bounces@cambridge-lug.org [mailto:clug-bounces@cambridge-lug.org] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: 25 February 2009 21:49 To: CamLUG Subject: Re: Metting 05/03/2009 Hi, Great to see you keeping the energy going :) Just some constructive criticism: > Please add any notes about meeting here. > > Time: > 5th of March 2009 6.00 PM Interesting point really, 6PM probably suits people already in central Cambridge really well. And prevents everyone else. Personally I work 45 miles out from Cambridge so I don't even get home until after 6PM. But I could come along later on I guess, after the demo. I'm sure Dillo is great but I'm not coming for that TBH. No lack of respect intended Jeremy :) But you should go with a time that suits best the people that are definitely COMING. > I would like also like to discuss how we can help CamLUG to grow. In terms of 'growing' you might be surprised how many people consider themselves to be part of CLUG. The last time I saw the list there were more than 150 people subscribed to the mailing list. That was maybe 3 years ago, and list traffic was about the same as it is today. I think perhaps what you are trying to grow is attendance at meetings? Some people think that demand for meetings is low due to meetings not being all that exciting - no speakers or presentations for example. This could be true, but it could be that meetings don't happen because people don't have any appetite left for that sort of thing. There are so many other great technical groups in Cambridge (CHASE, BCS-SPA, Software East, CETC, many many more), along with all the stuff going on at the University. Please DO try to grow it, I'm just saying there are some surprising Cambridge-specific reasons why it might not happen. Best regards, Mark. _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug@cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From wawrzek@hidden Thu Feb 26 00:14:28 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Thu Feb 26 01:14:38 2009 Subject: How to include subtitles into video Message-ID: Hi, I want to include subtitles into video (it means have a one file). Do you have any experience? I tried VLC but it give me some error message, so I think that I need to choose proper sets of options. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From sam.kuper@hidden Thu Feb 26 01:14:05 2009 From: sam.kuper@hidden (Sam Kuper) Date: Thu Feb 26 02:14:10 2009 Subject: How to include subtitles into video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4126b3450902251714g44ae09bew40f31a562aaf9b29@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/26 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski > > I want to include subtitles into video (it means have a one file). Tried SMIL? > > Do > you have any experience? Not much. For issues about subtitles (well, closed captions really) and accessibility, Joe Clark [1] is the expert. > > I tried VLC but it give me some error > message, so I think that I need to choose proper sets of options. I've never tried to do this with VLC; in fact, I didn't know it was possible. Please post your method to the list if you succeed! [1] http://joeclark.org/access/captioning/ From onepoint at starurchin.org Mon Feb 2 20:30:39 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:30:39 +0000 Subject: Q: activity meters for the terminal Message-ID: <20090202193039.GC6099@omphalos.singularity> Even though I like to use the terminal whenever I can, I do really appreciate the little CPU/network activity meters in the corner of my icewm desktop. Are there any similar meters for the terminal? It would be nice to have something like that when there's no X Windows around. Cheers, Jeremy Henty From jt at camalyn.org Mon Feb 2 20:49:46 2009 From: jt at camalyn.org (jt at camalyn.org) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:49:46 +0000 Subject: Q: activity meters for the terminal In-Reply-To: <20090202193039.GC6099@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090202193039.GC6099@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <1233604187.5747.7.camel@linux-qtk6.site> On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 19:30 +0000, Jeremy Henty wrote: > Even though I like to use the terminal whenever I can, I do really > appreciate the little CPU/network activity meters in the corner of my > icewm desktop. Are there any similar meters for the terminal? It > would be nice to have something like that when there's no X Windows > around. I might be off here but would something like Dstat fit your needs? all the best, James From onepoint at starurchin.org Mon Feb 2 22:20:59 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:20:59 +0000 Subject: Q: activity meters for the terminal In-Reply-To: <1233604187.5747.7.camel@linux-qtk6.site> References: <20090202193039.GC6099@omphalos.singularity> <1233604187.5747.7.camel@linux-qtk6.site> Message-ID: <20090202212059.GD6099@omphalos.singularity> On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 07:49:46PM +0000, jt at camalyn.org wrote: > On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 19:30 +0000, Jeremy Henty wrote: > > > Even though I like to use the terminal whenever I can, I do really > > appreciate the little CPU/network activity meters in the corner of > > my icewm desktop. Are there any similar meters for the terminal? > > I might be off here but would something like Dstat fit your needs? Definitely! Thanks for the tip! Jeremy Henty From jt at camalyn.org Tue Feb 3 22:08:46 2009 From: jt at camalyn.org (jt at camalyn.org) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:08:46 +0000 Subject: Media Streamer - Linux to Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 Message-ID: <1233695326.17152.2655.camel@linux-qtk6.site> Hi List, Can anybody recommend an equivalent for Linux that will stream media (video and audio) to a PlayStation 3 and XBOX 360? I am thinking, MythTV or GeeXBox? Perhaps someone might have some experience of these and whether they are fiddly or relatively straightforward to get up and running? Thanks in advance, James From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Wed Feb 4 01:27:09 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 00:27:09 +0000 Subject: Media Streamer - Linux to Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 In-Reply-To: <1233695326.17152.2655.camel@linux-qtk6.site> References: <1233695326.17152.2655.camel@linux-qtk6.site> Message-ID: <4988E0DD.9080102@mansfield.co.uk> jt at camalyn.org wrote: > Can anybody recommend an equivalent for Linux that will stream media > (video and audio) to a PlayStation 3 and XBOX 360? I am thinking, MythTV there was a long thread recently elsewhere. I'll paste some snippets below, make of them what you will! ---------------- > Now that I have 4 UPNP/DLNA client devices on my newly sorted-out > network, I thought it would be time to try and run a server for sharing > all the content on my shiny 500Mb disk. apt-get install ushare ----------- AFAIK my freenas (www.freenas.org) box is running mediatomb (www.mediatomb.cc) as its uPNP server and that seems to work reasonably well. I have to poke the admin interface to rebuild its media database when I add new content so that its presented but other than that its hassle free.... It supports the messed up Xbox 360 uPNP spec too which was the selling point for me at the time. ------------- ushare is astoundingly bad, but it also appears to be the only tool that'll do the job. I've been using it to stream video to an Xbox 360 and there are all sorts of annoyances. It's bad enough that I'm considering rewriting it. I don't care to attempt to fix it because it's written in C in a rather interesting way. An old Xbox running XBMC appears to be the better solution unless you need HD. ---------------- Well in my experience mediatomb should just work, it's also used by several NAS manufacturers iirc. --------------- > what doesn't twonky work with? I've found it quite good compatibility > wisa. It just about works with my Popcorn Hour NMT-100, but vanishes randomly. With my Yahama RX-V2700 amplifier it completely scrambles the music track listings. With my Samsung IP HDTV it sometimes gets as far as listing content directories, but barfs whenever I try to play anything. Haven't tried my Reciva radio yet. I suspect that there are settings that can be tweaked to make these work better, but there is a complete lack of useful documentation on their current website. Still waiting for tech support answer after 10 days. ------------ > ushare is astoundingly bad, Agreed > but it also appears to be the only tool > that'll do the job. On Linux, agreed. Alternatively, Connect360 is great for mac->xbox360 sharing, TVersity seems to be an acceptable win32 compromise for win->xbox/ps3/dlna sharing. ----------------------- DLNA is not just a certification process it's a more detailed subset of upnp, any upnp implementation should be compatible with DLNA and vice versa, mediatomb should work with all upnp/dlna devices but there are various inconsistencies due to bad implementations. -------------- From clug at gasops.co.uk Wed Feb 4 11:02:59 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:02:59 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <4982F6EA.7020401@mansfield.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <49807364.6070608@mansfield.co.uk> <49818060.2030306@gasops.co.uk> <4982F6EA.7020401@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <498967D3.5040106@gasops.co.uk> * Paul M wrote: > did it work? a treat :-) Thanks! From jt at camalyn.org Wed Feb 4 12:30:13 2009 From: jt at camalyn.org (jt at camalyn.org) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 11:30:13 +0000 Subject: Media Streamer - Linux to Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 In-Reply-To: <120cf9d40902031454x7ffe81e1g7ab89b17d4d453e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1233695326.17152.2655.camel@linux-qtk6.site> <120cf9d40902031454x7ffe81e1g7ab89b17d4d453e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1233747013.3266.5.camel@linux-qtk6.site> On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 22:54 +0000, Toby wrote: > I'm running Ubuntu 8.something, and use MediaTomb to my PS3. It was a > piece of cake to setup. I've only used it for mp3, but don't see why > video should be much different. Thanks Tony, I'll give that a go a little later :) From ferg at scotgate.org Wed Feb 4 13:03:56 2009 From: ferg at scotgate.org (Ferg) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:03:56 +0000 Subject: Media Streamer - Linux to Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 In-Reply-To: <1233747013.3266.5.camel@linux-qtk6.site> References: <1233695326.17152.2655.camel@linux-qtk6.site> <120cf9d40902031454x7ffe81e1g7ab89b17d4d453e5@mail.gmail.com> <1233747013.3266.5.camel@linux-qtk6.site> Message-ID: Hi James, you mentioned Mythtv in your original email. I suspect that this is something more than you need, although if you are prepared to spend the time setting it up it's a fabulous system. It can stream video and music, and quite a lot more. It's not a 'plugin' solution, but it is a good one. Especially with multiple clients. I've been using it as my only TV/DVD/Video etc... system for 3 years now, and although it has not been plain sailing (due to my inability to stop messing with it) it's been well worth it, and we rely on it now. Cheers Ferg On 4 Feb 2009, at 11:30, jt at camalyn.org wrote: > On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 22:54 +0000, Toby wrote: > >> I'm running Ubuntu 8.something, and use MediaTomb to my PS3. It was a >> piece of cake to setup. I've only used it for mp3, but don't see why >> video should be much different. > > Thanks Tony, I'll give that a go a little later :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From sparkle60 at uk2.net Wed Feb 4 15:58:48 2009 From: sparkle60 at uk2.net (b nicolson) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:58:48 +0000 Subject: domain providers Message-ID: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> I'm thinking of signing up to 1&1 for their email services. What I'd like to know is: Are they any good? Will the security features be compatible with Linux or won't I need them? If people have other recommendations/advice I'd be grateful for them. Thanks. Bev. From clug at minimal.cx Wed Feb 4 16:16:36 2009 From: clug at minimal.cx (Ian Spray) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:16:36 +0000 Subject: domain providers In-Reply-To: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> References: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> Message-ID: <20090204151636.GA18920@minimal.cx> On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 02:58:48PM +0000, b nicolson wrote: > I'm thinking of signing up to 1&1 for their email services. What I'd like to know > is: > > Are they any good? > Hmm, good question. I've known people to use them (for webhosting) and have billing issues with them - in one case they didn't stop when the service was cancelled (card payment) and in the other they sent very demanding letters instead of just stopping the service (paid by cheque). Having said that (looking at your email addy), they're way better than my time with uk2.net many moons ago, when they grabbed a domain I'd searched on a few times and not bought (an unlikely name, although it *could* have been coincidence that another uk2 user also wanted it) plus they used to have a nasty charge for migrating name registrations away from them. I gave up on all this a decade ago and hosted it all myself, but I'd be very tempted to use Google's mail service with my own domain name if I was starting from scratch again now. TTFN, -- Ian Spray GPG Fingerprint: D170 35A3 C858 6E85 9B5B 1557 4CD5 6F6F E176 2D0A From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Wed Feb 4 16:32:58 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:32:58 +0000 Subject: domain providers In-Reply-To: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> References: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> Message-ID: <4989B52A.7030608@the-thornes.co.uk> Hi Bev, 1 & 1 are usually very good - certainly from my experience. I use them for my hosting and also the majority of my domain registry. I never miss an opportunity for a good ol' affiliate link (Technically not good neticette but just the once I say what the heck?) so click on the link to the right http://www.1and1.co.uk/?k_id=13096637 when you sign up please. CHeeky I know but I can't help it occassionally! Their mail is fairly reliable only problems I ever had with it was when I was initially setting up my first account with them - but since then they have improved the interface :) Another option you can look at is google apps - they now allow you to point domains to them and you get the Google mail interface to use with your mail :) Regards, Dave Let me know know if you decide to go with them. b nicolson wrote: > I'm thinking of signing up to 1&1 for their email services. What I'd like to know > is: > > Are they any good? > Will the security features be compatible with Linux or won't I need them? > > If people have other recommendations/advice I'd be grateful for them. > > Thanks. > > Bev. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Wed Feb 4 16:36:00 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:36:00 +0000 Subject: domain providers In-Reply-To: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> References: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> Message-ID: <20090204153600.GA14995@weber> On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 02:58:48PM +0000, b nicolson wrote: > Will the security features be compatible with Linux or won't I need them? Any security features that are worth having will indeed be compatible with Linux. 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What are you after? > Will the security features be compatible with Linux or won't I need them? I'm not sure what that means. I've found this lot: http://www.virtualnames.co.uk/ excellent for what you might call "small" or "private" domains. I.e. 20 quid a year for a small website (but fully LAMPed) and POP / IMAP / Webmail / SMTP support for 10 mailboxes (and a variety of forwarding options for unknown usernames). From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Thu Feb 5 00:31:13 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 23:31:13 +0000 Subject: domain providers In-Reply-To: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> References: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> Message-ID: <4126b3450902041531x1561e149nf5a11041c1bcd342@mail.gmail.com> I quite like Dreamhost. 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From mcconville.steve at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 00:38:58 2009 From: mcconville.steve at gmail.com (Steve McConville) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 23:38:58 +0000 Subject: domain providers In-Reply-To: <200902042347.38333.dom@latter.org> References: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> <200902042347.38333.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <56652bc0902041538g385462f7uac2e90b402c2730b@mail.gmail.com> I've not used them, but these guys seem to have a similar offering http://www.34sp.com/personal-hosting They use FreeBSD rather than GNU/Linux, and I can see why BSD is attractive for the admins of such shared hosting offerings. > I've found this lot: > http://www.virtualnames.co.uk/ > excellent for what you might call "small" or "private" domains. -- steev http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/ From dom at latter.org Thu Feb 5 09:45:16 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:45:16 +0100 Subject: domain providers In-Reply-To: <56652bc0902041538g385462f7uac2e90b402c2730b@mail.gmail.com> References: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> <200902042347.38333.dom@latter.org> <56652bc0902041538g385462f7uac2e90b402c2730b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902050945.16585.dom@latter.org> On Thursday 05 February 2009 00:38:58 Steve McConville wrote: > I've not used them, but these guys seem to have a similar offering > > http://www.34sp.com/personal-hosting Yep, seen them recommended before. Lots more disk space than virtualnames *but* no SMTP support included, which is very useful even if you're just using it as a backup; I've been using virtualnames as my main outgoing SMTP relay for years now. From sparkle60 at uk2.net Thu Feb 5 10:45:22 2009 From: sparkle60 at uk2.net (b nicolson) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:45:22 +0000 Subject: domain providers Message-ID: <42453.1233827122@uk2.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090205/add32850/attachment-0001.htm From jt at camalyn.org Thu Feb 5 12:06:08 2009 From: jt at camalyn.org (jt at camalyn.org) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 11:06:08 +0000 Subject: Adding Raid to an existing Install Message-ID: <1233831969.4281.15.camel@linux-qtk6.site> hi List, I'm hoping that someone can help. I have in total 3 IDE drives. 1 IDE drive I call the OS drive and I have installed Opensuse 11.1 onto that. I've also installed 2 IDE data drives connected to a Highpoint raid controller in a mirrored configuration. These drives have existing data on that I want to keep. Does anybody have experience or know how to get the mirrored drives to appear as 1 rather than 2 so that I cant read or write from either. Thanks JAMES From onepoint at starurchin.org Thu Feb 5 16:43:31 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:43:31 +0000 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 04:52:55PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > 2009/1/30 Jeremy Henty : > > I think that starting regular CamLUG meeting will be great think and > one of such meeting might be about Dillo with is interesting > project. Hmm. I suppose I could knock up a short web presentation if someone supplied a laptop to display it. If they installed Dillo I could demo it. (And if they installed the development version from mercurial I could demo the current state of CSS support.) Is there any useful quick and easy web presentation software? Regards, Jeremy Henty From marcus at quintic.co.uk Thu Feb 5 17:03:49 2009 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:03:49 +0000 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> On 05/02/2009 15:43, Jeremy Henty wrote: > Is there any useful quick and easy web presentation software? Eric Meyer's S5 [1] is pretty good - if Dillo is good enough on javascript and css support you might even be able to present directly in Dillo. Marcus [1] http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ From onepoint at starurchin.org Thu Feb 5 18:57:48 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 17:57:48 +0000 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 04:03:49PM +0000, Marcus Williams wrote: > On 05/02/2009 15:43, Jeremy Henty wrote: >> Is there any useful quick and easy web presentation software? > > Eric Meyer's S5 [1] is pretty good That looks very nice! > if Dillo is good enough on javascript and css support you might even > be able to present directly in Dillo. We don't do javascript yet. :-( I'd have to present in Firefox. Oh, the embarrassment! Regards, Jeremy Henty From onepoint at starurchin.org Thu Feb 5 19:03:57 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 18:03:57 +0000 Subject: Appeal for help from the NO2ID campaign Message-ID: <20090205180357.GG2934@omphalos.singularity> Can anyone lend a technical hand to the NO2ID campaign? We're running the Cambridge stream of the Convention on Modern Liberty in the Cambridge Union on Saturday 28th February and we need help with the video feed. If you can help, please contact me or Andrew Watson . TIA! Cheers, Jeremy Henty ----- Forwarded message from Andrew Watson ----- From: Andrew Watson To: No2ID Cambridge group Subject: [IDcards-Cambridge] "Convention on Modern Liberty" - and appeal for A/V help Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:36:50 +0000 X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.1.7 Good Morning, The programme for the Cambridge stream of the "Convention on Modern Liberty" on Saturday 28th February is almost complete. We've secured a Minister (Bill Rammell) to speak at the afternoon debate on civil liberties, along with David Howarth MP, Tariq Sadiq and Prof. Andrew Gamble. There will be four morning panels sessions on Communications Privacy, The Database State, Censorship, and eGovernment: http://www.modernliberty.net/satellite-conventions/cambridge At the start and end of the day we'll be watching a video feed from the London event, where Shami Chakrabarti will give the opening address, and Nick Clegg MP, Dominic Grieve QC MP, Helena Kennedy QC, Ken Macdonald QC, Philip Pullman, Cory Doctorow, Chris Huhne MP, Will Hutton, Caroline Lucas MEP, Chuka Umunna, David Davis MP and others will participate in web-cast panels and talks: http://www.modernliberty.net/programme It promises to be a very interesting day - I hope you can make it, and please also spread the word to anyone else you think might be interested. Admission will be free, with donations appreciated. Lastly, an appeal - successfully piping that video feed into the Cambridge Union and projecting it onto a screen is vitally important to the success of the event. A first-rate team is working on sending the feed from London; I'm looking for a couple of volunteers to configure, trouble-shoot and run the set-up at our end. If you have some experience with networking and simple A/V on PCs or Macs, and know one end of Cat 5e cable from the other (*), your help would be greatly appreciated. Please drop me a note. Thanks, Andrew * Trick question, of course, as they're both the same :-). _______________________________________________ IDcards-Cambridge mailing list IDcards-Cambridge at lists.beasts.org http://lists.beasts.org/mailman/listinfo/idcards-cambridge ----- End forwarded message ----- From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 00:45:53 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 23:45:53 +0000 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: Hi, So I can provide laptop. It is old PIII 900Mhz with dead batter but Dillo should go well with it and I can build Dillo from source. Do you know about any place we can arrange the meeting? Anybody has contact on the univ (old or new ;) Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From onepoint at starurchin.org Fri Feb 6 15:42:38 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:42:38 +0000 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 11:45:53PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > So I can provide laptop. It is old PIII 900Mhz with dead batter but > Dillo should go well with it and I can build Dillo from source. Excellent! > Do you know about any place we can arrange the meeting? Anybody has > contact on the univ (old or new ;) Blimey, that's a bit formal! I was imagining us sitting around the laptop in a pub or a coffee shop. NO2ID has shown a film at the Cafe' Project in Jesus Lane. Maybe they would let us in? Cheers, Jeremy Henty From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 15:53:58 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:53:58 +0000 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: 2009/2/6 Jeremy Henty : > On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 11:45:53PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > >> So I can provide laptop. It is old PIII 900Mhz with dead batter but >> Dillo should go well with it and I can build Dillo from source. > > Excellent! > I try to do this during this weekend. >> Do you know about any place we can arrange the meeting? Anybody has >> contact on the univ (old or new ;) > > Blimey, that's a bit formal! I was imagining us sitting around the > laptop in a pub or a coffee shop. NO2ID has shown a film at the Cafe' > Project in Jesus Lane. Maybe they would let us in? > Sounds good for first meeting. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Fri Feb 6 16:00:55 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:00:55 +0000 Subject: Meeting on Sunday (Was Dillo...) In-Reply-To: References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <498C50A7.7070102@the-thornes.co.uk> --- Cut --- >> Blimey, that's a bit formal! I was imagining us sitting around the >> laptop in a pub or a coffee shop. NO2ID has shown a film at the Cafe' >> Project in Jesus Lane. Maybe they would let us in? >> >> > > Sounds good for first meeting. > > Wawrzek > Meeting used to take place at CB2 on 2nd Sun of each month. In fact myself and a friend of mine are heading to CB2 in the hope of meeting otehr linux users :) Anyone else up for it? Its been ages since I've had a Sunday free! From dom at latter.org Fri Feb 6 16:39:07 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 16:39:07 +0100 Subject: Encrypted filesystems. Message-ID: <200902061639.07829.dom@latter.org> Anybody got experience of using encrypted filesystems? There seem to be many different systems available. Which ones go up to eleven and which ones are only eleven inches high? From onepoint at starurchin.org Fri Feb 6 16:48:29 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:48:29 +0000 Subject: Meeting on Sunday (Was Dillo...) In-Reply-To: <498C50A7.7070102@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> <498C50A7.7070102@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090206154829.GD32473@omphalos.singularity> On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 03:00:55PM +0000, David Thorne wrote: > Meeting used to take place at CB2 on 2nd Sun of each month. In fact > myself and a friend of mine are heading to CB2 in the hope of meeting > otehr linux users :) Anyone else up for it? Its been ages since I've > had a Sunday free! OK, see you there. When? (Let's see if I can write a presentation in a day, with a hangover.) Regards, Jeremy Henty From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 16:52:08 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:52:08 +0000 Subject: Meeting on Sunday (Was Dillo...) In-Reply-To: <20090206154829.GD32473@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> <498C50A7.7070102@the-thornes.co.uk> <20090206154829.GD32473@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: 2009/2/6 Jeremy Henty : > On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 03:00:55PM +0000, David Thorne wrote: >> Meeting used to take place at CB2 on 2nd Sun of each month. In fact >> myself and a friend of mine are heading to CB2 in the hope of meeting >> otehr linux users :) Anyone else up for it? Its been ages since I've >> had a Sunday free! > > OK, see you there. When? (Let's see if I can write a presentation in > a day, with a hangover.) > I cannot be on Sunday ... but have fun. I'm living in Ely and working in Cambridge and I prefer meeting on weekday so I can minize trip time and spent more time with family. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Fri Feb 6 17:06:35 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:06:35 +0000 Subject: Encrypted filesystems. In-Reply-To: <200902061639.07829.dom@latter.org> References: <200902061639.07829.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <498C600B.8060006@the-thornes.co.uk> I encrypt all my laptops using the built in encryption of Fedora or Ubuntu (Both of which I believe are based of LUKS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Unified_Key_Setup) ) I've never tried to break it as I don't have a spare laptop I mind loosing all the information on (Even with back ups I like to keep information if I can) I've also used BesCrypt before on installations that have a legal requirement for encryption of a certain level - and this was a pain to get working but very good once I had compiled it etc. Dave Dom Latter wrote: > Anybody got experience of using encrypted filesystems? > > There seem to be many different systems available. > > Which ones go up to eleven and which ones are only eleven inches high? > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From dom at latter.org Fri Feb 6 17:39:05 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:39:05 +0100 Subject: Encrypted filesystems. In-Reply-To: <498C600B.8060006@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <200902061639.07829.dom@latter.org> <498C600B.8060006@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <200902061739.05270.dom@latter.org> On Friday 06 February 2009 17:06:35 David Thorne wrote: > I've also used BesCrypt before on installations that have a legal > requirement for encryption of a certain level Why? Looking at the wikipage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BestCrypt it seems to be a wrapper for standard algorithms such as AES, Blowfish etc. From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Fri Feb 6 17:42:44 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:42:44 +0000 Subject: Encrypted filesystems. In-Reply-To: <200902061739.05270.dom@latter.org> References: <200902061639.07829.dom@latter.org> <498C600B.8060006@the-thornes.co.uk> <200902061739.05270.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <498C6884.6040004@the-thornes.co.uk> Basically I used it as it had been previously used and the client (A govt agency) was happy to use it. If they are happy with it and I am happy with it I'll use it. Only used LUKS more recently, as I don't have clearence to work on Govt contracts anymore (It was the cmpany I worked for that was cleared not me individually) Dom Latter wrote: > On Friday 06 February 2009 17:06:35 David Thorne wrote: > > >> I've also used BesCrypt before on installations that have a legal >> requirement for encryption of a certain level >> > > Why? Looking at the wikipage: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BestCrypt > it seems to be a wrapper for standard algorithms such as AES, Blowfish etc. > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From dom at latter.org Fri Feb 6 19:02:46 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:02:46 +0100 Subject: Encrypted filesystems. In-Reply-To: <498C600B.8060006@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <200902061639.07829.dom@latter.org> <498C600B.8060006@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <200902061902.47161.dom@latter.org> [first effort went off-list - maybe David will post *his* reply to the list in turn...] On Friday 06 February 2009 17:06:35 David Thorne wrote: > I encrypt all my laptops using the built in encryption of Fedora or > Ubuntu (Both of which I believe are based of LUKS > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Unified_Key_Setup) ) I've never Is that dm-crypt based then? Which are the tools for this built-in encryption in Ubuntu? Looking at synaptic I've found cfs - uses DES? - filelevel encryption cryptmount: dm-crypt? ; ?sets up encrypted folumes cryptsetup: dm-crypt / cryptoloop ; similar encfs - file level encryption For backup: duplicity for backup Rsyncrypto ; rsync friendly From support at anothermouse.com Fri Feb 6 21:09:32 2009 From: support at anothermouse.com (support) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:09:32 +0000 Subject: Encryption technologies Message-ID: <498C98FC.2080402@anothermouse.com> Lots of experience with them:) For my customers that are security aare and take their laptops with them, I recommend Sony Vaios which have the capability to have hardware encryption that is transparent to the user. This means that effectively if the laptop is stolen/lost, the data is secure. Ideally, it should mean that people don't bother to steal them, but unfortunately Vaios are nice PCs, and not everyone implements he encryption:(.....so 3 Vaios lost by my customers in the past 2 years. Next area are those that creat an encrypted partition or file. These are great for providing a high level of security - Always go for full drive encryption if security is an issue, ...remember that temp files get created! This software includes the likes of TrueCrypt, BestCrypt etc. which can be provided to individual 'containers' in which you store your files. The encryption technology of these is well understood, and often modular, so you can change the level/complexity/robustness of the encryption that you use, or comply with local legislative requirements with respect to encryption. Many of these solutions provide 'plausible deniability' , in that you can deny that the encryptio even exists, so that even under duress, ou can deny the existance of the encrypted items. These solutions are often cross platform compatable, soyou can read them on *nix/doze systems. Main disadvantage is potential key weakness (human factor), and the fact that there is normally only a single 'key' to unlock the encryption. Incidentally, encryption technologies can be difficult to implement on a linux platform, unless avilable with the distribution concerned due to integration required with the kernel/other dependencies required. If you're cofortable building kernels, then you shouldn't have a problem, although it might be a bit fiddly. Next, and my preferred securing mechanism for linux systems that do not have ample physical security is LUKS. The great advantage of this is multiple keys available for unlocking the protected media. It's robust, reliable, and relatively easy to implement, with the option of addition of administrative keys which can be secured in a safe in the event the the pass holder is not available after some random reboot/hardware issue. Unfortunately, as far as I'm aware, LUKS is still *nix only. However if you don't require the multiple password control, then any of the true/best crytp type solutions willbe more than adequate for most people. Of course, having an encypted filesystem makes data significantly more complex to access. If something goes wrong with the encryption, then forget trying to recover the data.....so a good backup policy is a must! For Windows, you have the 'Secure Safe' functionality, which whilst it probablyis secure(ish), hasn't been opened up to peer review, so I guess it depends whether you trust M$ programmers? There's also the Encrypted Filing System (EFS), which is probably secure....but who knows whether there is a M$ back door....no independent peer review of the coding. I know what I'd prefer to use to protect my data. I use various solutions for attacking this type of password protected item, and normally the ones that don't stand up to an attack fail due to human choice of password. Always get a computer to pick it for average users, or protect it wit ha USB key+passphrase. My master passphrase is pretty big....but extremely easy to remember. I'd welcome other people's views on the encryption that they use. Ooooooooh - This is scary.....the CLUG mailing list has some traffic on it!! Regards Peter Dom Latter wrote: > > Anybody got experience of using encrypted filesystems? > > > > There seem to be many different systems available. > > > > Which ones go up to eleven and which ones are only eleven inches high? > > _______________________________________________ > > CLUG mailing list > > clug at cambridge-lug.org > > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > > From support at anothermouse.com Sat Feb 7 20:35:10 2009 From: support at anothermouse.com (support) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 19:35:10 +0000 Subject: OK - time to give up on encryption..... Message-ID: <498DE26E.2060807@anothermouse.com> After a little bit of research on the encryption side of life, I've decided that LUKS/dm-crypt is probably a better option than most others, as it offers the possibility of multiple pass phrases. I have just been trying out LUKS encryptd file structures on Windows thanks to this (On the fly encryption): http://www.freeotfe.org/download.html Definitely well worth a play with! However, looks as if someone really wants the info on my drive then I'm stuffed!!!: http://citp.princeton.edu/pub/coldboot.pdf Might have a go at this....as I've now got 1002 things to do with liquid nitrogen?: http://www.physik.uni-augsburg.de/~ubws/nitrogen.html Regards Peter From dom at latter.org Sat Feb 7 23:27:07 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 23:27:07 +0100 Subject: OK - time to give up on encryption..... In-Reply-To: <498DE26E.2060807@anothermouse.com> References: <498DE26E.2060807@anothermouse.com> Message-ID: <200902072327.07480.dom@latter.org> On Saturday 07 February 2009 20:35:10 support wrote: > Definitely well worth a play with! However, looks as if someone really > wants the info on my drive then I'm stuffed!!!: > > http://citp.princeton.edu/pub/coldboot.pdf In practical terms it doesn't make much if any difference, depending on who you are trying to defeat. The following is informative reading: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1141047297126 When the FBI (probably with their friends in the NSA etc) needed to decrypt a PGP-encrypted hard drive, 1) it took them a *long* time 2) they did it by password-guessing, not cracking the actual encryption. From onepoint at starurchin.org Sun Feb 8 15:51:06 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 14:51:06 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! Message-ID: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> Arrived at CB2 to discover they were closed: "we've got no water"! (Did a pipe burst?) Hung around outside between 1.30 and 2.10 reading a book with an A4 Tux poster propped against my rucksack, but no-one took the bait so I came home. Better luck next time I guess. Jeremy Henty From support at anothermouse.com Sun Feb 8 18:11:01 2009 From: support at anothermouse.com (support) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:11:01 +0000 Subject: Relocation of CLUG Meeting Message-ID: <498F1225.40700@anothermouse.com> Sorry to hear that Jeremy hung around outside. We left a note in the window saying that we had moved to the Tram Shed (about 1:15pm because of the pipe burst in CB2). Next time? Peter From onepoint at starurchin.org Sun Feb 8 19:52:32 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 18:52:32 +0000 Subject: Relocation of CLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <498F1225.40700@anothermouse.com> References: <498F1225.40700@anothermouse.com> Message-ID: <20090208185232.GB25867@omphalos.singularity> Peter wrote: > We left a note in the window saying that we had moved to the Tram > Shed (about 1:15pm because of the pipe burst in CB2). Drat! I didn't think to look in the window and I aimed to arrive for 1:30 and missed you. > Next time? Sure! Jeremy Henty From onepoint at starurchin.org Mon Feb 9 10:58:56 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:58:56 +0000 Subject: Relocation of CLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <20090208185232.GB25867@omphalos.singularity> References: <498F1225.40700@anothermouse.com> <20090208185232.GB25867@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090209095856.GC25867@omphalos.singularity> On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 06:52:32PM +0000, Jeremy Henty wrote: > > Peter wrote: > > > Next time? > > Sure! Oops, no I can't be there. Band rehearsal in London. Jeremy Henty From wawrzek at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 14:51:07 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:51:07 +0000 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: 2009/2/6 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : > 2009/2/6 Jeremy Henty : >> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 11:45:53PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: >> >>> So I can provide laptop. It is old PIII 900Mhz with dead batter but >>> Dillo should go well with it and I can build Dillo from source. >> >> Excellent! >> > I try to do this during this weekend. I didn't have time to do this. Mostly because fights with my father Ubuntu (HP 1018 and Skype not working). I'm going to this during this week. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From clug at gasops.co.uk Mon Feb 9 17:25:18 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:25:18 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> * Jeremy Henty wrote: > Arrived at CB2 to discover they were closed: "we've got no water"! > (Did a pipe burst?) Hung around outside between 1.30 and 2.10 reading > a book with an A4 Tux poster propped against my rucksack, but no-one > took the bait so I came home. Better luck next time I guess. Reminds me of when I went in there to play a game of Chess last year and they had no gas. From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Mon Feb 9 17:29:35 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:29:35 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. It's basically a case of cross East Road and then turn right at the gate thing you meet. It's a great pub for real ale if you like such things, does do Coffee (Though I have never braved it) has sofas and actually is fairly quiet on the Sunday. Any thoughts of additional places we could look at? We have until 8th March to decide for the next Sunday meeting. I'd also like to recommend that we look at 1 week night meeting a month and 1 Sunday meeting. Those who can only make one can at least join in, those of us ubergeeks who would like to make 2 would of course be welcome to attend both :-) Any objections? Longman wrote: > * Jeremy Henty wrote: > >> Arrived at CB2 to discover they were closed: "we've got no water"! >> (Did a pipe burst?) Hung around outside between 1.30 and 2.10 reading >> a book with an A4 Tux poster propped against my rucksack, but no-one >> took the bait so I came home. Better luck next time I guess. >> > > Reminds me of when I went in there to play a game of Chess last year and > they had no gas. > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From clug at gasops.co.uk Mon Feb 9 17:58:17 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:58:17 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <499060A9.9000208@gasops.co.uk> * David Thorne wrote: > I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. Fine by me as I live pretty much opposite it ;-) From onepoint at starurchin.org Tue Feb 10 13:18:45 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:18:45 +0000 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: References: <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090210121845.GG25867@omphalos.singularity> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 01:51:07PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > I didn't have time to do this. Mostly because fights with my father > Ubuntu (HP 1018 and Skype not working). I'm going to this during > this week. Great! Hope there aren't any problems. Jeremy Henty From onepoint at starurchin.org Tue Feb 10 16:19:54 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:19:54 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090210151954.GM25867@omphalos.singularity> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 04:29:35PM +0000, David Thorne wrote: > I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. Good idea. > I'd also like to recommend that we look at 1 week night meeting a > month and 1 Sunday meeting. That's also a good idea, as we alrady know that some people want Sundays free for other things. Regards, Jeremy Henty -- I compiled Linux From Scratch and all I got was this lousy command line! From mark_w at techie.com Wed Feb 11 15:35:15 2009 From: mark_w at techie.com (Mark Wyatt) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:35:15 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! (Jeremy Henty) Message-ID: <20090211143515.DDC1FBE407B@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> While I agree that a 'generic backup' is an excellent idea, could someone tell me whether the Tram Depot has WiFi (and maybe even electricity sockets that they don't object to people using)? If it does, it would sound ideal. If it doesn't maybe we need to consider the other options? Mark PS > I compiled Linux From Scratch and all I got was this lousy command > line! Great sig! Almost good enough to steal... It would make a good T shirt, too > ----- Original Message ----- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:19:54 +0000 > From: Jeremy Henty > Subject: Re: CLUG meeting: epic fail! > To: clug at cambridge-lug.org > Message-ID: <20090210151954.GM25867 at omphalos.singularity> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 04:29:35PM +0000, David Thorne wrote: > > I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. > > Good idea. > > > I'd also like to recommend that we look at 1 week night meeting a > > month and 1 Sunday meeting. > > That's also a good idea, as we alrady know that some people want > Sundays free for other things. > > Regards, > > Jeremy Henty > -- > I compiled Linux From Scratch and all I got was this lousy command > line! > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > > End of CLUG Digest, Vol 66, Issue 10 > ************************************ > Regards -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Wed Feb 11 15:49:49 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:49:49 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! (Jeremy Henty) In-Reply-To: <20090211143515.DDC1FBE407B@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090211143515.DDC1FBE407B@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4992E58D.3070903@the-thornes.co.uk> Good point Mark, I'll ask if they have wifi next time I am there. They do have electricty sockets but I will double check customers can use them/how accessable they are. Does anyone know of any other location fairly close to the CB2 that does Wifi/Electricity? I know starbucks does but it's a TMobile subscription service for the Wifi and I don't know how happy people would be with that. Regards, David Mark Wyatt wrote: > While I agree that a 'generic backup' is an excellent idea, could someone > tell me whether the Tram Depot has WiFi (and maybe even electricity sockets > that they don't object to people using)? > > If it does, it would sound ideal. If it doesn't maybe we need to consider > the other options? > > Mark > > PS > >> I compiled Linux From Scratch and all I got was this lousy command >> line! >> > > Great sig! Almost good enough to steal... It would make a good T > shirt, too > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:19:54 +0000 >> From: Jeremy Henty >> Subject: Re: CLUG meeting: epic fail! >> To: clug at cambridge-lug.org >> Message-ID: <20090210151954.GM25867 at omphalos.singularity> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 04:29:35PM +0000, David Thorne wrote: >> >>> I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. >>> >> Good idea. >> >> >>> I'd also like to recommend that we look at 1 week night meeting a >>> month and 1 Sunday meeting. >>> >> That's also a good idea, as we alrady know that some people want >> Sundays free for other things. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeremy Henty >> -- >> I compiled Linux From Scratch and all I got was this lousy command >> line! >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug at cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> >> >> End of CLUG Digest, Vol 66, Issue 10 >> ************************************ >> > > > > > > Regards > > > From jt at camalyn.org Wed Feb 11 20:06:40 2009 From: jt at camalyn.org (jt at camalyn.org) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:06:40 +0000 Subject: JOB: Database (MySQL preferred) Architect, Reading, United Kingdom Message-ID: <1234379200.30278.11.camel@linux-qtk6.site> JOB: ? Hi List, I am working with a client in Reading (Berkshire) that are looking to recruit a high-level specialist, someone who has experience in large-scale deployments and can come in and tell them what they need to be doing without going through a significant learning process first. Whilst they currently run with MySQL they do not necessarily need to hire a MySQL guru, however the database architect should certainly be familiar with MySQL. What?s more important is that the database architect has experience designing large, replicated, globally distributed databases built for performance. ?Whilst the developers have had some involvement with capacity planning and performance monitoring of the live system in conjunction with the operations team this responsibility will move entirely to the database architect over time. ?This isn't a development role so the db architect wouldn't be taking over the writing of all SQL or anything but they would be expected to use their expertise in advising the developers how best to tune their code. ?Stored procedures are not currently used but they will probably look at it in the future and this again would be something that the architect would certainly get involved in as well revisit existing SQL with a view to perhaps rewrite and/ or optimise. They are running a mixture of ?MySQL 4.1 and 5.0. They don't run enterprise as they always aim to employ talented staff so they can support everything as far as possible in house. This goes for the OS as well, which is why they use CentOS and not RHEL. ? Although part of the job will involve finding new opportunities to exploit new features or better use existing ones there are ?no immediate plans to upgrade to 5.1. There are no specific bottlenecks or db problems as such, the focus is changing in such a way that they need to be able to store more data and consequently they need to have the architect in place. However, there is a focus on continual improvement of what they have. As with all IT systems, there is always something that can be optimised. Identifying potential future bottlenecks and avoiding them is also part of the role. In terms of the number of high transactional servers - which would be the definite focus - we are looking at high 30s. They do use MySQL replication but not clustering at this time. Regarding salary, I have previously recruited a MySQL database admin/ architect onto a base salary of ?55k in Reading. This client is open-minded to paying this or above for the right person and can help with relocation too. For more information please contact me off list. You can leave a voice mail for me on 07952 145 127 or e-mail me (which is better). My e-mail address is james at camalyn.org All the best, JAMES From dom at latter.org Thu Feb 12 10:59:51 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:59:51 +0100 Subject: Virtualisation. Message-ID: <200902121059.51681.dom@latter.org> As part pf the same project that calls for an encrypted filesystem, I'm looking at running a virtual machine. The main server is intended to be highly secure and will run a subversion server as a document repository. The client then mentioned moving their email and web servers on to this machine. To keep things secure I think it's best to run this on a VM. Security / separation is probably more important than performance. I think Xen looks like the best candidate for the job. Vserver is fast but doesn't provide as much separation. UML is my other current option. We've got a VT-enabled Xeon to run on so it will play nicely with Xen. Any thoughts? From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Thu Feb 12 12:30:30 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:30:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Virtualisation. In-Reply-To: <200902121059.51681.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <859553676.351234438229961.JavaMail.root@contemporaryfusion.co.uk> We run Xen at work quite extensivly, both in a commercial environment through Citrix Xen Enterprise and also the OSS version that comes with RHEL/CentOS and the likes. I have never had a problem with it, in fact I love it. The only reason I don't use it for all my VMs is the GUI's that exist for it on the desktop - in my opinion - suck. If you don't require a GUI (And as this is a secure server I would highly recommend you did not let X any where near the machine - a good golden rule as I am sure you know is only install what you need) I am probably doing a Refresh talk on VM's in April. If you would like I would be more than happy to show you a sneak preview of my presentation if you would like, as I suspect April will be quite a long time to wait for an active project. I am pretty sure you are on the Refresh Cambridge list, if not it's available to subscribe at http://www.refreshcambridge.org/ Hope this helps, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dom Latter" To: clug at cambridge-lug.org Sent: Thursday, 12 February, 2009 9:59:51 AM GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Virtualisation. As part pf the same project that calls for an encrypted filesystem, I'm looking at running a virtual machine. The main server is intended to be highly secure and will run a subversion server as a document repository. The client then mentioned moving their email and web servers on to this machine. To keep things secure I think it's best to run this on a VM. Security / separation is probably more important than performance. I think Xen looks like the best candidate for the job. Vserver is fast but doesn't provide as much separation. UML is my other current option. We've got a VT-enabled Xeon to run on so it will play nicely with Xen. Any thoughts? _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug at cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From dom at latter.org Thu Feb 12 13:01:26 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:01:26 +0100 Subject: Virtualisation. In-Reply-To: <859553676.351234438229961.JavaMail.root@contemporaryfusion.co.uk> References: <859553676.351234438229961.JavaMail.root@contemporaryfusion.co.uk> Message-ID: <200902121301.26879.dom@latter.org> On Thursday 12 February 2009 12:30:30 David Thorne wrote: [Xen] > I have never had a problem with it, in fact I love it. The only reason I I've been warned about disk performance - had any issues there? > don't use it for all my VMs is the GUI's that exist for it on the desktop - > in my opinion - suck. If you don't require a GUI (And as this is a secure Do you mean GUI tools? > I am probably doing a Refresh talk on VM's in April. If you would like I > would be more than happy to show you a sneak preview of my presentation if > you would like, as I suspect April will be quite a long time to wait for an I think I need to decide today, really! > active project. I am pretty sure you are on the Refresh Cambridge list, if > not it's available to subscribe at http://www.refreshcambridge.org/ Certainly am. And if you see my name anywhere it's overwhelmingly likely to be me. From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Thu Feb 12 15:32:01 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:32:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Virtualisation. In-Reply-To: <370202284.381234447983376.JavaMail.root@contemporaryfusion.co.uk> Message-ID: <1497039449.401234449121703.JavaMail.root@contemporaryfusion.co.uk> I haven't experienced major disk performence issues, I think it's down to how you partition and whether you use disk intesive processes such as software RAID, etc. Yes I mean with regards GUI Tools for setting up the VM's etc or if you are wanting a desktop (Say to test a new release of a distro prior to roll out) then I tend to use Sun's virtualbox. HTH Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dom Latter" To: clug at cambridge-lug.org Sent: Thursday, 12 February, 2009 12:01:26 PM GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: Virtualisation. On Thursday 12 February 2009 12:30:30 David Thorne wrote: [Xen] > I have never had a problem with it, in fact I love it. The only reason I I've been warned about disk performance - had any issues there? > don't use it for all my VMs is the GUI's that exist for it on the desktop - > in my opinion - suck. If you don't require a GUI (And as this is a secure Do you mean GUI tools? > I am probably doing a Refresh talk on VM's in April. If you would like I > would be more than happy to show you a sneak preview of my presentation if > you would like, as I suspect April will be quite a long time to wait for an I think I need to decide today, really! > active project. I am pretty sure you are on the Refresh Cambridge list, if > not it's available to subscribe at http://www.refreshcambridge.org/ Certainly am. And if you see my name anywhere it's overwhelmingly likely to be me. _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug at cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 21:19:08 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:19:08 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <126d63860902121219o15c691b2v65b3f59587e380d9@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:29 PM, David Thorne wrote: > It's a great pub for real ale if you like such things, > Any objections? I like drinking Ale :) I'm quite tempted to drag my self out of the house if there is gunna be beer. -- Drew Fitzsimmons From wawrzek at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 23:10:55 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:10:55 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: 2009/2/9 David Thorne : > I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. It's > basically a case of cross East Road and then turn right at the gate thing > you meet. It's a great pub for real ale if you like such things, does do > Coffee (Though I have never braved it) has sofas and actually is fairly > quiet on the Sunday. > > Any thoughts of additional places we could look at? We have until 8th March > to decide for the next Sunday meeting. I'd also like to recommend that we > look at 1 week night meeting a month and 1 Sunday meeting. Those who can > only make one can at least join in, those of us ubergeeks who would like to > make 2 would of course be welcome to attend both :-) > > Any objections? Something opposite. Can I make one more step one suggest one of you guys as I leader/moderator of our monthly beer meetings ;) One person who will be remember about when and where we plan to meet. Maybe try to collect interesting ideas/funny situation from the meetings and share with others on the list. David, Longman (& others). What do you think? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Fri Feb 13 10:12:02 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:12:02 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <49953962.20301@the-thornes.co.uk> Fine by me - should we do this democractically? Or use what lug.org.uk says? They say Mark Roberts (mark taurine demon co uk) but I don't even know if he is even still on this list? If he isn't should we look at updating the lug list, if you are Mark do you have enough time to be the "leader of the group"? Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > 2009/2/9 David Thorne : > >> I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. It's >> basically a case of cross East Road and then turn right at the gate thing >> you meet. It's a great pub for real ale if you like such things, does do >> Coffee (Though I have never braved it) has sofas and actually is fairly >> quiet on the Sunday. >> >> Any thoughts of additional places we could look at? We have until 8th March >> to decide for the next Sunday meeting. I'd also like to recommend that we >> look at 1 week night meeting a month and 1 Sunday meeting. Those who can >> only make one can at least join in, those of us ubergeeks who would like to >> make 2 would of course be welcome to attend both :-) >> >> Any objections? >> > > Something opposite. > > Can I make one more step one suggest one of you guys as I > leader/moderator of our monthly beer meetings ;) One person who will > be remember about when and where we plan to meet. Maybe try to collect > interesting ideas/funny situation from the meetings and share with > others on the list. > > David, Longman (& others). What do you think? > > Wawrzek > From zen13321 at zen.co.uk Sat Feb 14 13:27:28 2009 From: zen13321 at zen.co.uk (Mark Roberts) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:27:28 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <49953962.20301@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> <49953962.20301@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <4996B8B0.2000708@zen.co.uk> Hi All, > Fine by me - should we do this democractically? Or use what lug.org.uk > says? They say Mark Roberts (mark taurine demon co > uk) but I don't even know if he is even still on this list? If he > isn't should we look at updating the lug list, if you are Mark do you > have enough time to be the "leader of the group"? I am still on the list :) I'm not and have never been "leader of the group", indeed there hasn't been such a position for a long time - Richard Smith possibly was the leader when I first joined the mailing list sometime in 2000 and I inherited the user/pass to the web server for no reason other than enthusiasm when he moved away from Cambridge. I'm only listed there with lug.org.uk because someone ought to be. Does it really say leader? It ought to say contact. I do lurk on lug.org.uk mailing lists just to be sure nothing really important crops up that we ought to know about. You can tell from how often I post that this is a rare occurance! Is anyone else lurking on the lug.org.uk mailing lists? And I used to come to meetings regularly but the Sunday afternoon timing always caused tension with family. I would like to come along to meetings again, and I support the idea of an alternative time. The Sunday meets and venue are great if you can make it, but weekday evenings do seem more justifiable to family. Also considering timing, it would be a great idea to try to avoid clashing with related local groups. Recently I've begun to go to other events, such as Software East and BCS-SPA - both typically on a Wednesday. I'm intending to go to CHASE events too, typically on a Monday I think. Of course I always try to mention CLUG to people at these things if the opportunity crops up. (Hi to the chap I mentioned CLUG to at BCS-SPA on Wednesday if you are now on the list?) Writing this email is giving me a number of other ideas around CLUG. These are in the areas of meetings, website, marketing, and group history/philosophy/identity. I'll stop rambling, develop those some more and post a bit more in the very near future :) Best regards, Mark Roberts. From zen13321 at zen.co.uk Mon Feb 16 22:05:26 2009 From: zen13321 at zen.co.uk (Mark Roberts) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:05:26 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <4996B8B0.2000708@zen.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> <49953962.20301@the-thornes.co.uk> <4996B8B0.2000708@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <4999D516.9010303@zen.co.uk> Hi All, > Writing this email is giving me a number of other ideas around CLUG. > These are in the areas of meetings, website, marketing, and group > history/philosophy/identity. I'll stop rambling, develop those some more > and post a bit more in the very near future :) I've thought some more but I haven't written it up yet. But since mentioning I had access to the hosting, I have had a query already about updating some user details on the gallery page :) I've just dusted off my shell credentials and they are still valid. But it looks as though the development process changed since I last used it, cos the staging area for the code doesn't match what is on the live site. Is Joseph Birr-Pixton still on this mailing list? Joseph, if you are still here can you email me please? And did anyone actively work on it since Joseph? What I'm looking for is what the development procedure is (there are/were scripts and tools for publishing changes) and what the credentials are for the database. Looking through my local CLUG mail archive I can see some discussion around October 2006, when Jon Green posted the "We're Very Much Alive!" message that still shows as the last update on the website. Was that really the last time we discussed it? I'm amazed. Best regards, Mark. From wawrzek at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 23:27:24 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (Wawrzyniec =?unknown-8bit?Q?Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:27:24 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <4996B8B0.2000708@zen.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> <49953962.20301@the-thornes.co.uk> <4996B8B0.2000708@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090216222723.GC6850@gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:27:28PM +0000, Mark Roberts wrote: > Hi All, > > >Fine by me - should we do this democractically? [...] Rather no too much. In Democracy you need quorum, procedure etc. and groups like LUGs are not good in such things. In informal groups like LUG there are need for Leader people Leading rather than Rules who Rule a community. Nobody oppose my suggestion so there are no reason to bother about procedure too much. > I'm only listed there with lug.org.uk because someone ought to be. Does > it really say leader? It ought to say contact. I do lurk on lug.org.uk > mailing lists just to be sure nothing really important crops up that we > ought to know about. You can tell from how often I post that this is a > rare occurance! > Great news. I think that we should split duties related to CamLUG to small pieces and create the council rather than put everything onto arms of one man. > Is anyone else lurking on the lug.org.uk mailing lists? Oh, good idea. I'm going to join the list. [...] > Sunday meets and venue are great if you can make it, but weekday > evenings do seem more justifiable to family. > Indeed. > Also considering timing, it would be a great idea to try to avoid > clashing with related local groups. Recently I've begun to go to other [...] I think that Thursday might be a good week day. Not a Friday but close. > Writing this email is giving me a number of other ideas around CLUG. > These are in the areas of meetings, website, marketing, and group > history/philosophy/identity. I'll stop rambling, develop those some more > and post a bit more in the very near future :) > There was a project present August last year. -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 10:42:35 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:42:35 +0000 Subject: Ftlk2 Message-ID: Hi, Ftlk2 cannot be build from crux port. The end of install log is bellow. I guess that nobody clean installation of fltk2 recently - the port itself depends on /usr/bin/fltk2-config, which I assume is a port of port. Wawrzek === installing OpenGL === Installing static OpenGL library in /usr/lib Installing shared OpenGL library in /usr/lib === installing fluid === Installing FLUID2 in /usr/bin... make[1]: /usr/bin/fltk2-config: Command not found make[1]: *** [install] Error 127 make: *** [install] Error 2 =======> ERROR: Building '/usr/ports/opt/fltk2/fltk2#r6525-1.pkg.tar.gz' failed. -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Wed Feb 18 10:56:36 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:56:36 +0000 Subject: CIR bandwidth monitoring tool for virtual hosts Message-ID: <499BDB54.5040607@the-thornes.co.uk> Hi guys, I have a problem and I don't know if anyone knows of a solution I could look at. The datacentre we use at work sells us our bandwidth using CIR. I monitor this closly using SNMP on each machine and looking at the data incoming. Does anyone know of a monitoring tool, SNMP based or otherwise to help me work out exactly which vhost on the machien is using all the bandwidth. Tools like webalizer allow me to see the total bandwidth in (say) MB's/GB's used but not as an information rate, which is what I need. I could write a very complex script to analyise the access logs and use the size of the file to give me an approximate usage but surely there has to be a tool out there that I've just missed. Dave From onepoint at starurchin.org Wed Feb 18 11:02:49 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:02:49 +0000 Subject: Ftlk2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090218100249.GU31759@omphalos.singularity> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 09:42:35AM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Ftlk2 cannot be build from crux port. The end of install log is > bellow. I guess that nobody clean installation of fltk2 recently Or maybe the crux port broke the build. I build the exact same version from source and there is no problem: "make install" installs fltk2-config early on and there is no problem if there is no pre-existing fltk2-config . (See the log at the end.) Maybe you could build it manually from source? "./configure --prefix=/usr ; make ; sudo make install" should do it. Cheers, Jeremy Henty $ sudo rm -i -- /usr/bin/fltk2-config rm: remove regular file `/usr/bin/fltk2-config'? y $ sudo make install === installing src === Installing include files in /usr/include/fltk... Installing FLTK1.1 emulation include files in /usr/include/fltk... Installing fltk2-config in /usr/bin... Installing static core library in /usr/lib Installing shared core library in /usr/lib === installing images === Installing static images library in /usr/lib Installing shared images library in /usr/lib === installing OpenGL === Installing static OpenGL library in /usr/lib Installing shared OpenGL library in /usr/lib === installing fluid === Installing FLUID2 in /usr/bin... === installing glut === Installing static glut library in /usr/lib Installing shared glut library in /usr/lib === installing test === === installing documentation === Installing man pages in /usr/share/man From wawrzek at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 13:05:03 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:05:03 +0000 Subject: Ftlk2 In-Reply-To: <20090218100249.GU31759@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090218100249.GU31759@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: Hi, I send the message to the wrong list ;). Anyway how you see I tried to finalize dillo building. I also ordered battery to my laptop so it'll be ready for the presentation. And yes, I think that the Crux port is broken. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From dom at latter.org Wed Feb 18 13:26:28 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:26:28 +0100 Subject: Wifi woes. Message-ID: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> I have an elderly laptop for websurfing and listening to the radio. It was on Ubuntu 7.10 but I think since 8.04 the wifi has been broken. Upgraded to 8.10, still broken; tried out the latest Fedora, ditto. Seems that it's a kernel issue, ever since 2.6.17-11: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=358004&page=6 I'm getting mighty fed up of trying out the module blacklisting options that some people have had success with. So I am toying with the idea of installing Gentoo because a) it's a very old machine that needs a lean mean distro and b) it would be reasonably easy (I hope) to pin back the kernel to one that still works. Unless someone's got a dead quick HowTo on rolling back Ubuntu 8.04 (I reinstalled *again*) to an old kernel. Sorry, not really sure what the questions are, mostly I just want to rant about a kernel bug that was first reported in 2006 and is still being a royal PITA with the very latest distros. From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Wed Feb 18 14:01:23 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:01:23 +0000 Subject: CIR bandwidth monitoring tool for virtual hosts Message-ID: <499C06A3.8090608@the-thornes.co.uk> Thanks Dom, I've got SNMP on there monitoring the total bandwidth already - I now need to break it down to individual hosts so I know which client is going over more accurately than "Yes well the only site receving traffic at this time was X" as funnily enough that didn't wash with our clients billing depts (As I told my bosses it wouldn't!) Thanks for the awk script will try it out and see if I can see what's what with regards the CIR rate on the machine and the vhosts - thanks. Dave Dom Latter wrote: > On Wednesday 18 February 2009 10:56:36 David Thorne wrote: > > >> Does anyone know of a monitoring tool, SNMP based or otherwise to help >> me work out exactly which vhost on the machien is using all the >> bandwidth. > > MRTG might be able to help; AIUI it is very adaptable: > http://oss.oetiker.ch/mrtg/ > > Failing that, every network monitoring tool in the history of networking: > http://www.slac.stanford.edu/xorg/nmtf/nmtf-tools.html > starting with the piece of notched wood used at Stonehenge. > > Somebody might have more specific and useful advice regarding vhosts. > > If you are logging your traffic into separate log files for each: > e.g. /var/log/apache2/www.latter.org-access_log then a script to parse > out and total your bytes is simple. I'd use awk: > > awk ' > BEGIN { n = sum = 0 } > { ++n; sum += $10; > #printf "%d\n", $10 > } > END { printf "n = %d, sum = %d\n", n, sum } > ' > > and then grep "18/Feb/2009:12" /var/log/apache2/www.whitelamp.com | > ./weblog_totaller.awk > is a quick hack to show that we've not had any honest visitors > recently . > > A slighly more complicated script could parse the dates and times and > collate > things like that. > > NB your $10 in the awk script is logfile dependent; uncomment the > printf line to see what values it is retrieving. > From onepoint at starurchin.org Wed Feb 18 20:01:19 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:01:19 +0000 Subject: Ftlk2 In-Reply-To: References: <20090218100249.GU31759@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090218190119.GF31759@omphalos.singularity> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:05:03PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Anyway how you see I tried to finalize dillo building. Yes, I assumed that was why you were installing FLTK2. > I also ordered battery to my laptop so it'll be ready for the > presentation. Looks like I'd better get writing! Is there a date/place for a meeting yet? I think someone suggested Thursdays, which are good for me. And what about a coffee house meeting this Sunday? Cheers, Jeremy Henty From clug at gasops.co.uk Fri Feb 20 16:44:20 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:44:20 +0000 Subject: Wifi woes. In-Reply-To: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> References: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> * Dom Latter wrote: > So I am toying with the idea of installing Gentoo because a) it's a > very old machine that needs a lean mean distro and b) it would be > reasonably easy (I hope) to pin back the kernel to one that still > works. The only comment I can make about Gentoo is make sure you use distributed compilation if it's a very old machine otherwise you'll be compiling code for days.. From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 16:55:22 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:55:22 +0000 Subject: Wifi woes. In-Reply-To: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> References: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: 2009/2/18 Dom Latter : > So I am toying with the idea of installing Gentoo because a) it's a > very old machine that needs a lean mean distro and b) it would be > reasonably easy (I hope) to pin back the kernel to one that still > works. > You might also try Crux. http://crux.nu Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 17:10:05 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:10:05 +0000 Subject: Ftlk2 In-Reply-To: <20090218190119.GF31759@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090218100249.GU31759@omphalos.singularity> <20090218190119.GF31759@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: 2009/2/18 Jeremy Henty : Hi, > Yes, I assumed that was why you were installing FLTK2. > Yes. Dillo is ready. No laptop batteries yet. The first impression of post2 version is not bad. > Looks like I'd better get writing! Is there a date/place for a > meeting yet? I think someone suggested Thursdays, which are good for > me. And what about a coffee house meeting this Sunday? I think one of two next Thursday (26th Feb or 5th Mar) should be fine. Let say 6P.M. What do you think? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From clug at gasops.co.uk Fri Feb 20 17:24:52 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:24:52 +0000 Subject: Wifi woes. In-Reply-To: <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> References: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <499ED954.6080106@gasops.co.uk> I only sent one email - honest guv! From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Feb 20 18:19:14 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:19:14 +0000 Subject: Wifi woes. In-Reply-To: <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> References: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090220171914.GA4646@weber> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 03:44:20PM +0000, Longman wrote: > * Dom Latter wrote: > > So I am toying with the idea of installing Gentoo because a) it's a > > very old machine that needs a lean mean distro and b) it would be > > reasonably easy (I hope) to pin back the kernel to one that still > > works. > > The only comment I can make about Gentoo is make sure you use > distributed compilation if it's a very old machine otherwise you'll be > compiling code for days.. Absolutely. If you want a lean mean disto for an old computer, I'd go with Debian every time. From onepoint at starurchin.org Mon Feb 23 12:40:40 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:40:40 +0000 Subject: Ftlk2 In-Reply-To: References: <20090218100249.GU31759@omphalos.singularity> <20090218190119.GF31759@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090223114040.GB22801@omphalos.singularity> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 04:10:05PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > I think one of two next Thursday (26th Feb or 5th Mar) should be > fine. Let say 6P.M. What do you think? 6pm 5th March is good. Where? Jeremy Henty From dom at latter.org Mon Feb 23 16:28:23 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:28:23 +0100 Subject: Wifi woes. In-Reply-To: <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> References: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <200902231628.23406.dom@latter.org> On Friday 20 February 2009 16:44:20 Longman wrote: > The only comment I can make about Gentoo is make sure you use > distributed compilation if it's a very old machine otherwise you'll be > compiling code for days.. Yup. Few years ago I built up Gentoo the long way, on a Pentium MMX / 166. Took a while... From wawrzek at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 00:52:17 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (Wawrzyniec =?utf-8?Q?Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:52:17 +0000 Subject: Metting 05/03/2009 Message-ID: <20090223235216.GA5681@gmail.com> Hi, Please add any notes about meeting here. Time: 5th of March 2009 6.00 PM Location: Any suggestion? I think the standard protocol is fine so CB2. Agenda: Jeremy Henty is going to present Dillo - very small web browser especially new (devel) option of interpreting CSS styles. I would like also like to discuss how we can help CamLUG to grow. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From zen13321 at zen.co.uk Wed Feb 25 22:48:31 2009 From: zen13321 at zen.co.uk (Mark Roberts) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:48:31 +0000 Subject: Metting 05/03/2009 In-Reply-To: <20090223235216.GA5681@gmail.com> References: <20090223235216.GA5681@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A5BCAF.1010001@zen.co.uk> Hi, Great to see you keeping the energy going :) Just some constructive criticism: > Please add any notes about meeting here. > > Time: > 5th of March 2009 6.00 PM Interesting point really, 6PM probably suits people already in central Cambridge really well. And prevents everyone else. Personally I work 45 miles out from Cambridge so I don't even get home until after 6PM. But I could come along later on I guess, after the demo. I'm sure Dillo is great but I'm not coming for that TBH. No lack of respect intended Jeremy :) But you should go with a time that suits best the people that are definitely COMING. > I would like also like to discuss how we can help CamLUG to grow. In terms of 'growing' you might be surprised how many people consider themselves to be part of CLUG. The last time I saw the list there were more than 150 people subscribed to the mailing list. That was maybe 3 years ago, and list traffic was about the same as it is today. I think perhaps what you are trying to grow is attendance at meetings? Some people think that demand for meetings is low due to meetings not being all that exciting - no speakers or presentations for example. This could be true, but it could be that meetings don't happen because people don't have any appetite left for that sort of thing. There are so many other great technical groups in Cambridge (CHASE, BCS-SPA, Software East, CETC, many many more), along with all the stuff going on at the University. Please DO try to grow it, I'm just saying there are some surprising Cambridge-specific reasons why it might not happen. Best regards, Mark. From turnerst at family-zone.co.uk Thu Feb 26 00:38:03 2009 From: turnerst at family-zone.co.uk (Stuart Turner) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:38:03 -0000 Subject: Metting 05/03/2009 In-Reply-To: <49A5BCAF.1010001@zen.co.uk> References: <20090223235216.GA5681@gmail.com> <49A5BCAF.1010001@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <007701c997a2$1bd30480$53790d80$@co.uk> It also feels quite intimidating to post to the list ... you know if you don't ask the right question you don't get an answer. And hell, to go to a meeting, I think I'd be laughed at even though I have a genuine interest in Open Source and the spirit it brings because I'm not technical enough ... It's a bit like your first DIY job - it's very intimidating as you don't know quite what to ask for as it's the first time you've done it. Dare I say that groups like this don't encourage people, they just encourage people to stay away from it. Perhaps we should take a page from my running club - they have a "new members officer" who's job is nothing more than to make new members feel welcome and explain how things work - how nice that would be! - Stuart -----Original Message----- From: clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org [mailto:clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: 25 February 2009 21:49 To: CamLUG Subject: Re: Metting 05/03/2009 Hi, Great to see you keeping the energy going :) Just some constructive criticism: > Please add any notes about meeting here. > > Time: > 5th of March 2009 6.00 PM Interesting point really, 6PM probably suits people already in central Cambridge really well. And prevents everyone else. Personally I work 45 miles out from Cambridge so I don't even get home until after 6PM. But I could come along later on I guess, after the demo. I'm sure Dillo is great but I'm not coming for that TBH. No lack of respect intended Jeremy :) But you should go with a time that suits best the people that are definitely COMING. > I would like also like to discuss how we can help CamLUG to grow. In terms of 'growing' you might be surprised how many people consider themselves to be part of CLUG. The last time I saw the list there were more than 150 people subscribed to the mailing list. That was maybe 3 years ago, and list traffic was about the same as it is today. I think perhaps what you are trying to grow is attendance at meetings? Some people think that demand for meetings is low due to meetings not being all that exciting - no speakers or presentations for example. This could be true, but it could be that meetings don't happen because people don't have any appetite left for that sort of thing. There are so many other great technical groups in Cambridge (CHASE, BCS-SPA, Software East, CETC, many many more), along with all the stuff going on at the University. Please DO try to grow it, I'm just saying there are some surprising Cambridge-specific reasons why it might not happen. Best regards, Mark. _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug at cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From wawrzek at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 01:14:28 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:14:28 +0000 Subject: How to include subtitles into video Message-ID: Hi, I want to include subtitles into video (it means have a one file). Do you have any experience? I tried VLC but it give me some error message, so I think that I need to choose proper sets of options. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Thu Feb 26 02:14:05 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 01:14:05 +0000 Subject: How to include subtitles into video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4126b3450902251714g44ae09bew40f31a562aaf9b29@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/26 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski > > I want to include subtitles into video (it means have a one file). Tried SMIL? > > Do > you have any experience? Not much. For issues about subtitles (well, closed captions really) and accessibility, Joe Clark [1] is the expert. > > I tried VLC but it give me some error > message, so I think that I need to choose proper sets of options. I've never tried to do this with VLC; in fact, I didn't know it was possible. Please post your method to the list if you succeed! [1] http://joeclark.org/access/captioning/ From onepoint at starurchin.org Mon Feb 2 20:30:39 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:30:39 +0000 Subject: Q: activity meters for the terminal Message-ID: <20090202193039.GC6099@omphalos.singularity> Even though I like to use the terminal whenever I can, I do really appreciate the little CPU/network activity meters in the corner of my icewm desktop. Are there any similar meters for the terminal? It would be nice to have something like that when there's no X Windows around. Cheers, Jeremy Henty From jt at camalyn.org Mon Feb 2 20:49:46 2009 From: jt at camalyn.org (jt at camalyn.org) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:49:46 +0000 Subject: Q: activity meters for the terminal In-Reply-To: <20090202193039.GC6099@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090202193039.GC6099@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <1233604187.5747.7.camel@linux-qtk6.site> On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 19:30 +0000, Jeremy Henty wrote: > Even though I like to use the terminal whenever I can, I do really > appreciate the little CPU/network activity meters in the corner of my > icewm desktop. Are there any similar meters for the terminal? It > would be nice to have something like that when there's no X Windows > around. I might be off here but would something like Dstat fit your needs? all the best, James From onepoint at starurchin.org Mon Feb 2 22:20:59 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:20:59 +0000 Subject: Q: activity meters for the terminal In-Reply-To: <1233604187.5747.7.camel@linux-qtk6.site> References: <20090202193039.GC6099@omphalos.singularity> <1233604187.5747.7.camel@linux-qtk6.site> Message-ID: <20090202212059.GD6099@omphalos.singularity> On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 07:49:46PM +0000, jt at camalyn.org wrote: > On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 19:30 +0000, Jeremy Henty wrote: > > > Even though I like to use the terminal whenever I can, I do really > > appreciate the little CPU/network activity meters in the corner of > > my icewm desktop. Are there any similar meters for the terminal? > > I might be off here but would something like Dstat fit your needs? Definitely! Thanks for the tip! Jeremy Henty From jt at camalyn.org Tue Feb 3 22:08:46 2009 From: jt at camalyn.org (jt at camalyn.org) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:08:46 +0000 Subject: Media Streamer - Linux to Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 Message-ID: <1233695326.17152.2655.camel@linux-qtk6.site> Hi List, Can anybody recommend an equivalent for Linux that will stream media (video and audio) to a PlayStation 3 and XBOX 360? I am thinking, MythTV or GeeXBox? Perhaps someone might have some experience of these and whether they are fiddly or relatively straightforward to get up and running? Thanks in advance, James From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Wed Feb 4 01:27:09 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 00:27:09 +0000 Subject: Media Streamer - Linux to Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 In-Reply-To: <1233695326.17152.2655.camel@linux-qtk6.site> References: <1233695326.17152.2655.camel@linux-qtk6.site> Message-ID: <4988E0DD.9080102@mansfield.co.uk> jt at camalyn.org wrote: > Can anybody recommend an equivalent for Linux that will stream media > (video and audio) to a PlayStation 3 and XBOX 360? I am thinking, MythTV there was a long thread recently elsewhere. I'll paste some snippets below, make of them what you will! ---------------- > Now that I have 4 UPNP/DLNA client devices on my newly sorted-out > network, I thought it would be time to try and run a server for sharing > all the content on my shiny 500Mb disk. apt-get install ushare ----------- AFAIK my freenas (www.freenas.org) box is running mediatomb (www.mediatomb.cc) as its uPNP server and that seems to work reasonably well. I have to poke the admin interface to rebuild its media database when I add new content so that its presented but other than that its hassle free.... It supports the messed up Xbox 360 uPNP spec too which was the selling point for me at the time. ------------- ushare is astoundingly bad, but it also appears to be the only tool that'll do the job. I've been using it to stream video to an Xbox 360 and there are all sorts of annoyances. It's bad enough that I'm considering rewriting it. I don't care to attempt to fix it because it's written in C in a rather interesting way. An old Xbox running XBMC appears to be the better solution unless you need HD. ---------------- Well in my experience mediatomb should just work, it's also used by several NAS manufacturers iirc. --------------- > what doesn't twonky work with? I've found it quite good compatibility > wisa. It just about works with my Popcorn Hour NMT-100, but vanishes randomly. With my Yahama RX-V2700 amplifier it completely scrambles the music track listings. With my Samsung IP HDTV it sometimes gets as far as listing content directories, but barfs whenever I try to play anything. Haven't tried my Reciva radio yet. I suspect that there are settings that can be tweaked to make these work better, but there is a complete lack of useful documentation on their current website. Still waiting for tech support answer after 10 days. ------------ > ushare is astoundingly bad, Agreed > but it also appears to be the only tool > that'll do the job. On Linux, agreed. Alternatively, Connect360 is great for mac->xbox360 sharing, TVersity seems to be an acceptable win32 compromise for win->xbox/ps3/dlna sharing. ----------------------- DLNA is not just a certification process it's a more detailed subset of upnp, any upnp implementation should be compatible with DLNA and vice versa, mediatomb should work with all upnp/dlna devices but there are various inconsistencies due to bad implementations. -------------- From clug at gasops.co.uk Wed Feb 4 11:02:59 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:02:59 +0000 Subject: SED help (or AWK!) In-Reply-To: <4982F6EA.7020401@mansfield.co.uk> References: <49802F6B.1000701@gasops.co.uk> <49807364.6070608@mansfield.co.uk> <49818060.2030306@gasops.co.uk> <4982F6EA.7020401@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <498967D3.5040106@gasops.co.uk> * Paul M wrote: > did it work? a treat :-) Thanks! From jt at camalyn.org Wed Feb 4 12:30:13 2009 From: jt at camalyn.org (jt at camalyn.org) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 11:30:13 +0000 Subject: Media Streamer - Linux to Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 In-Reply-To: <120cf9d40902031454x7ffe81e1g7ab89b17d4d453e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1233695326.17152.2655.camel@linux-qtk6.site> <120cf9d40902031454x7ffe81e1g7ab89b17d4d453e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1233747013.3266.5.camel@linux-qtk6.site> On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 22:54 +0000, Toby wrote: > I'm running Ubuntu 8.something, and use MediaTomb to my PS3. It was a > piece of cake to setup. I've only used it for mp3, but don't see why > video should be much different. Thanks Tony, I'll give that a go a little later :) From ferg at scotgate.org Wed Feb 4 13:03:56 2009 From: ferg at scotgate.org (Ferg) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:03:56 +0000 Subject: Media Streamer - Linux to Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 In-Reply-To: <1233747013.3266.5.camel@linux-qtk6.site> References: <1233695326.17152.2655.camel@linux-qtk6.site> <120cf9d40902031454x7ffe81e1g7ab89b17d4d453e5@mail.gmail.com> <1233747013.3266.5.camel@linux-qtk6.site> Message-ID: Hi James, you mentioned Mythtv in your original email. I suspect that this is something more than you need, although if you are prepared to spend the time setting it up it's a fabulous system. It can stream video and music, and quite a lot more. It's not a 'plugin' solution, but it is a good one. Especially with multiple clients. I've been using it as my only TV/DVD/Video etc... system for 3 years now, and although it has not been plain sailing (due to my inability to stop messing with it) it's been well worth it, and we rely on it now. Cheers Ferg On 4 Feb 2009, at 11:30, jt at camalyn.org wrote: > On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 22:54 +0000, Toby wrote: > >> I'm running Ubuntu 8.something, and use MediaTomb to my PS3. It was a >> piece of cake to setup. I've only used it for mp3, but don't see why >> video should be much different. > > Thanks Tony, I'll give that a go a little later :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From sparkle60 at uk2.net Wed Feb 4 15:58:48 2009 From: sparkle60 at uk2.net (b nicolson) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:58:48 +0000 Subject: domain providers Message-ID: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> I'm thinking of signing up to 1&1 for their email services. What I'd like to know is: Are they any good? Will the security features be compatible with Linux or won't I need them? If people have other recommendations/advice I'd be grateful for them. Thanks. Bev. From clug at minimal.cx Wed Feb 4 16:16:36 2009 From: clug at minimal.cx (Ian Spray) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:16:36 +0000 Subject: domain providers In-Reply-To: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> References: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> Message-ID: <20090204151636.GA18920@minimal.cx> On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 02:58:48PM +0000, b nicolson wrote: > I'm thinking of signing up to 1&1 for their email services. What I'd like to know > is: > > Are they any good? > Hmm, good question. I've known people to use them (for webhosting) and have billing issues with them - in one case they didn't stop when the service was cancelled (card payment) and in the other they sent very demanding letters instead of just stopping the service (paid by cheque). Having said that (looking at your email addy), they're way better than my time with uk2.net many moons ago, when they grabbed a domain I'd searched on a few times and not bought (an unlikely name, although it *could* have been coincidence that another uk2 user also wanted it) plus they used to have a nasty charge for migrating name registrations away from them. I gave up on all this a decade ago and hosted it all myself, but I'd be very tempted to use Google's mail service with my own domain name if I was starting from scratch again now. TTFN, -- Ian Spray GPG Fingerprint: D170 35A3 C858 6E85 9B5B 1557 4CD5 6F6F E176 2D0A From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Wed Feb 4 16:32:58 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:32:58 +0000 Subject: domain providers In-Reply-To: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> References: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> Message-ID: <4989B52A.7030608@the-thornes.co.uk> Hi Bev, 1 & 1 are usually very good - certainly from my experience. I use them for my hosting and also the majority of my domain registry. I never miss an opportunity for a good ol' affiliate link (Technically not good neticette but just the once I say what the heck?) so click on the link to the right http://www.1and1.co.uk/?k_id=13096637 when you sign up please. CHeeky I know but I can't help it occassionally! Their mail is fairly reliable only problems I ever had with it was when I was initially setting up my first account with them - but since then they have improved the interface :) Another option you can look at is google apps - they now allow you to point domains to them and you get the Google mail interface to use with your mail :) Regards, Dave Let me know know if you decide to go with them. b nicolson wrote: > I'm thinking of signing up to 1&1 for their email services. What I'd like to know > is: > > Are they any good? > Will the security features be compatible with Linux or won't I need them? > > If people have other recommendations/advice I'd be grateful for them. > > Thanks. > > Bev. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Wed Feb 4 16:36:00 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:36:00 +0000 Subject: domain providers In-Reply-To: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> References: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> Message-ID: <20090204153600.GA14995@weber> On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 02:58:48PM +0000, b nicolson wrote: > Will the security features be compatible with Linux or won't I need them? Any security features that are worth having will indeed be compatible with Linux. 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What are you after? > Will the security features be compatible with Linux or won't I need them? I'm not sure what that means. I've found this lot: http://www.virtualnames.co.uk/ excellent for what you might call "small" or "private" domains. I.e. 20 quid a year for a small website (but fully LAMPed) and POP / IMAP / Webmail / SMTP support for 10 mailboxes (and a variety of forwarding options for unknown usernames). From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Thu Feb 5 00:31:13 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 23:31:13 +0000 Subject: domain providers In-Reply-To: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> References: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> Message-ID: <4126b3450902041531x1561e149nf5a11041c1bcd342@mail.gmail.com> I quite like Dreamhost. 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From mcconville.steve at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 00:38:58 2009 From: mcconville.steve at gmail.com (Steve McConville) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 23:38:58 +0000 Subject: domain providers In-Reply-To: <200902042347.38333.dom@latter.org> References: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> <200902042347.38333.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <56652bc0902041538g385462f7uac2e90b402c2730b@mail.gmail.com> I've not used them, but these guys seem to have a similar offering http://www.34sp.com/personal-hosting They use FreeBSD rather than GNU/Linux, and I can see why BSD is attractive for the admins of such shared hosting offerings. > I've found this lot: > http://www.virtualnames.co.uk/ > excellent for what you might call "small" or "private" domains. -- steev http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/ From dom at latter.org Thu Feb 5 09:45:16 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:45:16 +0100 Subject: domain providers In-Reply-To: <56652bc0902041538g385462f7uac2e90b402c2730b@mail.gmail.com> References: <33663.1233759528@uk2.net> <200902042347.38333.dom@latter.org> <56652bc0902041538g385462f7uac2e90b402c2730b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902050945.16585.dom@latter.org> On Thursday 05 February 2009 00:38:58 Steve McConville wrote: > I've not used them, but these guys seem to have a similar offering > > http://www.34sp.com/personal-hosting Yep, seen them recommended before. Lots more disk space than virtualnames *but* no SMTP support included, which is very useful even if you're just using it as a backup; I've been using virtualnames as my main outgoing SMTP relay for years now. From sparkle60 at uk2.net Thu Feb 5 10:45:22 2009 From: sparkle60 at uk2.net (b nicolson) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:45:22 +0000 Subject: domain providers Message-ID: <42453.1233827122@uk2.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090205/add32850/attachment-0002.htm From jt at camalyn.org Thu Feb 5 12:06:08 2009 From: jt at camalyn.org (jt at camalyn.org) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 11:06:08 +0000 Subject: Adding Raid to an existing Install Message-ID: <1233831969.4281.15.camel@linux-qtk6.site> hi List, I'm hoping that someone can help. I have in total 3 IDE drives. 1 IDE drive I call the OS drive and I have installed Opensuse 11.1 onto that. I've also installed 2 IDE data drives connected to a Highpoint raid controller in a mirrored configuration. These drives have existing data on that I want to keep. Does anybody have experience or know how to get the mirrored drives to appear as 1 rather than 2 so that I cant read or write from either. Thanks JAMES From onepoint at starurchin.org Thu Feb 5 16:43:31 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:43:31 +0000 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 04:52:55PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > 2009/1/30 Jeremy Henty : > > I think that starting regular CamLUG meeting will be great think and > one of such meeting might be about Dillo with is interesting > project. Hmm. I suppose I could knock up a short web presentation if someone supplied a laptop to display it. If they installed Dillo I could demo it. (And if they installed the development version from mercurial I could demo the current state of CSS support.) Is there any useful quick and easy web presentation software? Regards, Jeremy Henty From marcus at quintic.co.uk Thu Feb 5 17:03:49 2009 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:03:49 +0000 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> On 05/02/2009 15:43, Jeremy Henty wrote: > Is there any useful quick and easy web presentation software? Eric Meyer's S5 [1] is pretty good - if Dillo is good enough on javascript and css support you might even be able to present directly in Dillo. Marcus [1] http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ From onepoint at starurchin.org Thu Feb 5 18:57:48 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 17:57:48 +0000 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 04:03:49PM +0000, Marcus Williams wrote: > On 05/02/2009 15:43, Jeremy Henty wrote: >> Is there any useful quick and easy web presentation software? > > Eric Meyer's S5 [1] is pretty good That looks very nice! > if Dillo is good enough on javascript and css support you might even > be able to present directly in Dillo. We don't do javascript yet. :-( I'd have to present in Firefox. Oh, the embarrassment! Regards, Jeremy Henty From onepoint at starurchin.org Thu Feb 5 19:03:57 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 18:03:57 +0000 Subject: Appeal for help from the NO2ID campaign Message-ID: <20090205180357.GG2934@omphalos.singularity> Can anyone lend a technical hand to the NO2ID campaign? We're running the Cambridge stream of the Convention on Modern Liberty in the Cambridge Union on Saturday 28th February and we need help with the video feed. If you can help, please contact me or Andrew Watson . TIA! Cheers, Jeremy Henty ----- Forwarded message from Andrew Watson ----- From: Andrew Watson To: No2ID Cambridge group Subject: [IDcards-Cambridge] "Convention on Modern Liberty" - and appeal for A/V help Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:36:50 +0000 X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.1.7 Good Morning, The programme for the Cambridge stream of the "Convention on Modern Liberty" on Saturday 28th February is almost complete. We've secured a Minister (Bill Rammell) to speak at the afternoon debate on civil liberties, along with David Howarth MP, Tariq Sadiq and Prof. Andrew Gamble. There will be four morning panels sessions on Communications Privacy, The Database State, Censorship, and eGovernment: http://www.modernliberty.net/satellite-conventions/cambridge At the start and end of the day we'll be watching a video feed from the London event, where Shami Chakrabarti will give the opening address, and Nick Clegg MP, Dominic Grieve QC MP, Helena Kennedy QC, Ken Macdonald QC, Philip Pullman, Cory Doctorow, Chris Huhne MP, Will Hutton, Caroline Lucas MEP, Chuka Umunna, David Davis MP and others will participate in web-cast panels and talks: http://www.modernliberty.net/programme It promises to be a very interesting day - I hope you can make it, and please also spread the word to anyone else you think might be interested. Admission will be free, with donations appreciated. Lastly, an appeal - successfully piping that video feed into the Cambridge Union and projecting it onto a screen is vitally important to the success of the event. A first-rate team is working on sending the feed from London; I'm looking for a couple of volunteers to configure, trouble-shoot and run the set-up at our end. If you have some experience with networking and simple A/V on PCs or Macs, and know one end of Cat 5e cable from the other (*), your help would be greatly appreciated. Please drop me a note. Thanks, Andrew * Trick question, of course, as they're both the same :-). _______________________________________________ IDcards-Cambridge mailing list IDcards-Cambridge at lists.beasts.org http://lists.beasts.org/mailman/listinfo/idcards-cambridge ----- End forwarded message ----- From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 00:45:53 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 23:45:53 +0000 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: Hi, So I can provide laptop. It is old PIII 900Mhz with dead batter but Dillo should go well with it and I can build Dillo from source. Do you know about any place we can arrange the meeting? Anybody has contact on the univ (old or new ;) Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From onepoint at starurchin.org Fri Feb 6 15:42:38 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:42:38 +0000 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 11:45:53PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > So I can provide laptop. It is old PIII 900Mhz with dead batter but > Dillo should go well with it and I can build Dillo from source. Excellent! > Do you know about any place we can arrange the meeting? Anybody has > contact on the univ (old or new ;) Blimey, that's a bit formal! I was imagining us sitting around the laptop in a pub or a coffee shop. NO2ID has shown a film at the Cafe' Project in Jesus Lane. Maybe they would let us in? Cheers, Jeremy Henty From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 15:53:58 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:53:58 +0000 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: 2009/2/6 Jeremy Henty : > On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 11:45:53PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > >> So I can provide laptop. It is old PIII 900Mhz with dead batter but >> Dillo should go well with it and I can build Dillo from source. > > Excellent! > I try to do this during this weekend. >> Do you know about any place we can arrange the meeting? Anybody has >> contact on the univ (old or new ;) > > Blimey, that's a bit formal! I was imagining us sitting around the > laptop in a pub or a coffee shop. NO2ID has shown a film at the Cafe' > Project in Jesus Lane. Maybe they would let us in? > Sounds good for first meeting. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Fri Feb 6 16:00:55 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:00:55 +0000 Subject: Meeting on Sunday (Was Dillo...) In-Reply-To: References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <498C50A7.7070102@the-thornes.co.uk> --- Cut --- >> Blimey, that's a bit formal! I was imagining us sitting around the >> laptop in a pub or a coffee shop. NO2ID has shown a film at the Cafe' >> Project in Jesus Lane. Maybe they would let us in? >> >> > > Sounds good for first meeting. > > Wawrzek > Meeting used to take place at CB2 on 2nd Sun of each month. In fact myself and a friend of mine are heading to CB2 in the hope of meeting otehr linux users :) Anyone else up for it? Its been ages since I've had a Sunday free! From dom at latter.org Fri Feb 6 16:39:07 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 16:39:07 +0100 Subject: Encrypted filesystems. Message-ID: <200902061639.07829.dom@latter.org> Anybody got experience of using encrypted filesystems? There seem to be many different systems available. Which ones go up to eleven and which ones are only eleven inches high? From onepoint at starurchin.org Fri Feb 6 16:48:29 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:48:29 +0000 Subject: Meeting on Sunday (Was Dillo...) In-Reply-To: <498C50A7.7070102@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> <498C50A7.7070102@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090206154829.GD32473@omphalos.singularity> On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 03:00:55PM +0000, David Thorne wrote: > Meeting used to take place at CB2 on 2nd Sun of each month. In fact > myself and a friend of mine are heading to CB2 in the hope of meeting > otehr linux users :) Anyone else up for it? Its been ages since I've > had a Sunday free! OK, see you there. When? (Let's see if I can write a presentation in a day, with a hangover.) Regards, Jeremy Henty From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 16:52:08 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:52:08 +0000 Subject: Meeting on Sunday (Was Dillo...) In-Reply-To: <20090206154829.GD32473@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> <498C50A7.7070102@the-thornes.co.uk> <20090206154829.GD32473@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: 2009/2/6 Jeremy Henty : > On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 03:00:55PM +0000, David Thorne wrote: >> Meeting used to take place at CB2 on 2nd Sun of each month. In fact >> myself and a friend of mine are heading to CB2 in the hope of meeting >> otehr linux users :) Anyone else up for it? Its been ages since I've >> had a Sunday free! > > OK, see you there. When? (Let's see if I can write a presentation in > a day, with a hangover.) > I cannot be on Sunday ... but have fun. I'm living in Ely and working in Cambridge and I prefer meeting on weekday so I can minize trip time and spent more time with family. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Fri Feb 6 17:06:35 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:06:35 +0000 Subject: Encrypted filesystems. In-Reply-To: <200902061639.07829.dom@latter.org> References: <200902061639.07829.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <498C600B.8060006@the-thornes.co.uk> I encrypt all my laptops using the built in encryption of Fedora or Ubuntu (Both of which I believe are based of LUKS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Unified_Key_Setup) ) I've never tried to break it as I don't have a spare laptop I mind loosing all the information on (Even with back ups I like to keep information if I can) I've also used BesCrypt before on installations that have a legal requirement for encryption of a certain level - and this was a pain to get working but very good once I had compiled it etc. Dave Dom Latter wrote: > Anybody got experience of using encrypted filesystems? > > There seem to be many different systems available. > > Which ones go up to eleven and which ones are only eleven inches high? > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From dom at latter.org Fri Feb 6 17:39:05 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:39:05 +0100 Subject: Encrypted filesystems. In-Reply-To: <498C600B.8060006@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <200902061639.07829.dom@latter.org> <498C600B.8060006@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <200902061739.05270.dom@latter.org> On Friday 06 February 2009 17:06:35 David Thorne wrote: > I've also used BesCrypt before on installations that have a legal > requirement for encryption of a certain level Why? Looking at the wikipage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BestCrypt it seems to be a wrapper for standard algorithms such as AES, Blowfish etc. From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Fri Feb 6 17:42:44 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:42:44 +0000 Subject: Encrypted filesystems. In-Reply-To: <200902061739.05270.dom@latter.org> References: <200902061639.07829.dom@latter.org> <498C600B.8060006@the-thornes.co.uk> <200902061739.05270.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <498C6884.6040004@the-thornes.co.uk> Basically I used it as it had been previously used and the client (A govt agency) was happy to use it. If they are happy with it and I am happy with it I'll use it. Only used LUKS more recently, as I don't have clearence to work on Govt contracts anymore (It was the cmpany I worked for that was cleared not me individually) Dom Latter wrote: > On Friday 06 February 2009 17:06:35 David Thorne wrote: > > >> I've also used BesCrypt before on installations that have a legal >> requirement for encryption of a certain level >> > > Why? Looking at the wikipage: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BestCrypt > it seems to be a wrapper for standard algorithms such as AES, Blowfish etc. > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From dom at latter.org Fri Feb 6 19:02:46 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:02:46 +0100 Subject: Encrypted filesystems. In-Reply-To: <498C600B.8060006@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <200902061639.07829.dom@latter.org> <498C600B.8060006@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <200902061902.47161.dom@latter.org> [first effort went off-list - maybe David will post *his* reply to the list in turn...] On Friday 06 February 2009 17:06:35 David Thorne wrote: > I encrypt all my laptops using the built in encryption of Fedora or > Ubuntu (Both of which I believe are based of LUKS > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Unified_Key_Setup) ) I've never Is that dm-crypt based then? Which are the tools for this built-in encryption in Ubuntu? Looking at synaptic I've found cfs - uses DES? - filelevel encryption cryptmount: dm-crypt? ; ?sets up encrypted folumes cryptsetup: dm-crypt / cryptoloop ; similar encfs - file level encryption For backup: duplicity for backup Rsyncrypto ; rsync friendly From support at anothermouse.com Fri Feb 6 21:09:32 2009 From: support at anothermouse.com (support) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:09:32 +0000 Subject: Encryption technologies Message-ID: <498C98FC.2080402@anothermouse.com> Lots of experience with them:) For my customers that are security aare and take their laptops with them, I recommend Sony Vaios which have the capability to have hardware encryption that is transparent to the user. This means that effectively if the laptop is stolen/lost, the data is secure. Ideally, it should mean that people don't bother to steal them, but unfortunately Vaios are nice PCs, and not everyone implements he encryption:(.....so 3 Vaios lost by my customers in the past 2 years. Next area are those that creat an encrypted partition or file. These are great for providing a high level of security - Always go for full drive encryption if security is an issue, ...remember that temp files get created! This software includes the likes of TrueCrypt, BestCrypt etc. which can be provided to individual 'containers' in which you store your files. The encryption technology of these is well understood, and often modular, so you can change the level/complexity/robustness of the encryption that you use, or comply with local legislative requirements with respect to encryption. Many of these solutions provide 'plausible deniability' , in that you can deny that the encryptio even exists, so that even under duress, ou can deny the existance of the encrypted items. These solutions are often cross platform compatable, soyou can read them on *nix/doze systems. Main disadvantage is potential key weakness (human factor), and the fact that there is normally only a single 'key' to unlock the encryption. Incidentally, encryption technologies can be difficult to implement on a linux platform, unless avilable with the distribution concerned due to integration required with the kernel/other dependencies required. If you're cofortable building kernels, then you shouldn't have a problem, although it might be a bit fiddly. Next, and my preferred securing mechanism for linux systems that do not have ample physical security is LUKS. The great advantage of this is multiple keys available for unlocking the protected media. It's robust, reliable, and relatively easy to implement, with the option of addition of administrative keys which can be secured in a safe in the event the the pass holder is not available after some random reboot/hardware issue. Unfortunately, as far as I'm aware, LUKS is still *nix only. However if you don't require the multiple password control, then any of the true/best crytp type solutions willbe more than adequate for most people. Of course, having an encypted filesystem makes data significantly more complex to access. If something goes wrong with the encryption, then forget trying to recover the data.....so a good backup policy is a must! For Windows, you have the 'Secure Safe' functionality, which whilst it probablyis secure(ish), hasn't been opened up to peer review, so I guess it depends whether you trust M$ programmers? There's also the Encrypted Filing System (EFS), which is probably secure....but who knows whether there is a M$ back door....no independent peer review of the coding. I know what I'd prefer to use to protect my data. I use various solutions for attacking this type of password protected item, and normally the ones that don't stand up to an attack fail due to human choice of password. Always get a computer to pick it for average users, or protect it wit ha USB key+passphrase. My master passphrase is pretty big....but extremely easy to remember. I'd welcome other people's views on the encryption that they use. Ooooooooh - This is scary.....the CLUG mailing list has some traffic on it!! Regards Peter Dom Latter wrote: > > Anybody got experience of using encrypted filesystems? > > > > There seem to be many different systems available. > > > > Which ones go up to eleven and which ones are only eleven inches high? > > _______________________________________________ > > CLUG mailing list > > clug at cambridge-lug.org > > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > > From support at anothermouse.com Sat Feb 7 20:35:10 2009 From: support at anothermouse.com (support) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 19:35:10 +0000 Subject: OK - time to give up on encryption..... Message-ID: <498DE26E.2060807@anothermouse.com> After a little bit of research on the encryption side of life, I've decided that LUKS/dm-crypt is probably a better option than most others, as it offers the possibility of multiple pass phrases. I have just been trying out LUKS encryptd file structures on Windows thanks to this (On the fly encryption): http://www.freeotfe.org/download.html Definitely well worth a play with! However, looks as if someone really wants the info on my drive then I'm stuffed!!!: http://citp.princeton.edu/pub/coldboot.pdf Might have a go at this....as I've now got 1002 things to do with liquid nitrogen?: http://www.physik.uni-augsburg.de/~ubws/nitrogen.html Regards Peter From dom at latter.org Sat Feb 7 23:27:07 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 23:27:07 +0100 Subject: OK - time to give up on encryption..... In-Reply-To: <498DE26E.2060807@anothermouse.com> References: <498DE26E.2060807@anothermouse.com> Message-ID: <200902072327.07480.dom@latter.org> On Saturday 07 February 2009 20:35:10 support wrote: > Definitely well worth a play with! However, looks as if someone really > wants the info on my drive then I'm stuffed!!!: > > http://citp.princeton.edu/pub/coldboot.pdf In practical terms it doesn't make much if any difference, depending on who you are trying to defeat. The following is informative reading: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1141047297126 When the FBI (probably with their friends in the NSA etc) needed to decrypt a PGP-encrypted hard drive, 1) it took them a *long* time 2) they did it by password-guessing, not cracking the actual encryption. From onepoint at starurchin.org Sun Feb 8 15:51:06 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 14:51:06 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! Message-ID: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> Arrived at CB2 to discover they were closed: "we've got no water"! (Did a pipe burst?) Hung around outside between 1.30 and 2.10 reading a book with an A4 Tux poster propped against my rucksack, but no-one took the bait so I came home. Better luck next time I guess. Jeremy Henty From support at anothermouse.com Sun Feb 8 18:11:01 2009 From: support at anothermouse.com (support) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:11:01 +0000 Subject: Relocation of CLUG Meeting Message-ID: <498F1225.40700@anothermouse.com> Sorry to hear that Jeremy hung around outside. We left a note in the window saying that we had moved to the Tram Shed (about 1:15pm because of the pipe burst in CB2). Next time? Peter From onepoint at starurchin.org Sun Feb 8 19:52:32 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 18:52:32 +0000 Subject: Relocation of CLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <498F1225.40700@anothermouse.com> References: <498F1225.40700@anothermouse.com> Message-ID: <20090208185232.GB25867@omphalos.singularity> Peter wrote: > We left a note in the window saying that we had moved to the Tram > Shed (about 1:15pm because of the pipe burst in CB2). Drat! I didn't think to look in the window and I aimed to arrive for 1:30 and missed you. > Next time? Sure! Jeremy Henty From onepoint at starurchin.org Mon Feb 9 10:58:56 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:58:56 +0000 Subject: Relocation of CLUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <20090208185232.GB25867@omphalos.singularity> References: <498F1225.40700@anothermouse.com> <20090208185232.GB25867@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090209095856.GC25867@omphalos.singularity> On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 06:52:32PM +0000, Jeremy Henty wrote: > > Peter wrote: > > > Next time? > > Sure! Oops, no I can't be there. Band rehearsal in London. Jeremy Henty From wawrzek at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 14:51:07 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:51:07 +0000 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: References: <20090130160916.GJ2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: 2009/2/6 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : > 2009/2/6 Jeremy Henty : >> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 11:45:53PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: >> >>> So I can provide laptop. It is old PIII 900Mhz with dead batter but >>> Dillo should go well with it and I can build Dillo from source. >> >> Excellent! >> > I try to do this during this weekend. I didn't have time to do this. Mostly because fights with my father Ubuntu (HP 1018 and Skype not working). I'm going to this during this week. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From clug at gasops.co.uk Mon Feb 9 17:25:18 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:25:18 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> * Jeremy Henty wrote: > Arrived at CB2 to discover they were closed: "we've got no water"! > (Did a pipe burst?) Hung around outside between 1.30 and 2.10 reading > a book with an A4 Tux poster propped against my rucksack, but no-one > took the bait so I came home. Better luck next time I guess. Reminds me of when I went in there to play a game of Chess last year and they had no gas. From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Mon Feb 9 17:29:35 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:29:35 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. It's basically a case of cross East Road and then turn right at the gate thing you meet. It's a great pub for real ale if you like such things, does do Coffee (Though I have never braved it) has sofas and actually is fairly quiet on the Sunday. Any thoughts of additional places we could look at? We have until 8th March to decide for the next Sunday meeting. I'd also like to recommend that we look at 1 week night meeting a month and 1 Sunday meeting. Those who can only make one can at least join in, those of us ubergeeks who would like to make 2 would of course be welcome to attend both :-) Any objections? Longman wrote: > * Jeremy Henty wrote: > >> Arrived at CB2 to discover they were closed: "we've got no water"! >> (Did a pipe burst?) Hung around outside between 1.30 and 2.10 reading >> a book with an A4 Tux poster propped against my rucksack, but no-one >> took the bait so I came home. Better luck next time I guess. >> > > Reminds me of when I went in there to play a game of Chess last year and > they had no gas. > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From clug at gasops.co.uk Mon Feb 9 17:58:17 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:58:17 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <499060A9.9000208@gasops.co.uk> * David Thorne wrote: > I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. Fine by me as I live pretty much opposite it ;-) From onepoint at starurchin.org Tue Feb 10 13:18:45 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:18:45 +0000 Subject: Dillo meeting: WAS Re: Recommendations: open source project host ... In-Reply-To: References: <20090130164802.GK2972@omphalos.singularity> <20090205154331.GC2934@omphalos.singularity> <498B0DE5.8080604@quintic.co.uk> <20090205175748.GF2934@omphalos.singularity> <20090206144238.GC13091@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090210121845.GG25867@omphalos.singularity> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 01:51:07PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > I didn't have time to do this. Mostly because fights with my father > Ubuntu (HP 1018 and Skype not working). I'm going to this during > this week. Great! Hope there aren't any problems. Jeremy Henty From onepoint at starurchin.org Tue Feb 10 16:19:54 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:19:54 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090210151954.GM25867@omphalos.singularity> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 04:29:35PM +0000, David Thorne wrote: > I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. Good idea. > I'd also like to recommend that we look at 1 week night meeting a > month and 1 Sunday meeting. That's also a good idea, as we alrady know that some people want Sundays free for other things. Regards, Jeremy Henty -- I compiled Linux From Scratch and all I got was this lousy command line! From mark_w at techie.com Wed Feb 11 15:35:15 2009 From: mark_w at techie.com (Mark Wyatt) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:35:15 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! (Jeremy Henty) Message-ID: <20090211143515.DDC1FBE407B@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> While I agree that a 'generic backup' is an excellent idea, could someone tell me whether the Tram Depot has WiFi (and maybe even electricity sockets that they don't object to people using)? If it does, it would sound ideal. If it doesn't maybe we need to consider the other options? Mark PS > I compiled Linux From Scratch and all I got was this lousy command > line! Great sig! Almost good enough to steal... It would make a good T shirt, too > ----- Original Message ----- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:19:54 +0000 > From: Jeremy Henty > Subject: Re: CLUG meeting: epic fail! > To: clug at cambridge-lug.org > Message-ID: <20090210151954.GM25867 at omphalos.singularity> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 04:29:35PM +0000, David Thorne wrote: > > I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. > > Good idea. > > > I'd also like to recommend that we look at 1 week night meeting a > > month and 1 Sunday meeting. > > That's also a good idea, as we alrady know that some people want > Sundays free for other things. > > Regards, > > Jeremy Henty > -- > I compiled Linux From Scratch and all I got was this lousy command > line! > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > > End of CLUG Digest, Vol 66, Issue 10 > ************************************ > Regards -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Wed Feb 11 15:49:49 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:49:49 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! (Jeremy Henty) In-Reply-To: <20090211143515.DDC1FBE407B@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20090211143515.DDC1FBE407B@ws1-9.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4992E58D.3070903@the-thornes.co.uk> Good point Mark, I'll ask if they have wifi next time I am there. They do have electricty sockets but I will double check customers can use them/how accessable they are. Does anyone know of any other location fairly close to the CB2 that does Wifi/Electricity? I know starbucks does but it's a TMobile subscription service for the Wifi and I don't know how happy people would be with that. Regards, David Mark Wyatt wrote: > While I agree that a 'generic backup' is an excellent idea, could someone > tell me whether the Tram Depot has WiFi (and maybe even electricity sockets > that they don't object to people using)? > > If it does, it would sound ideal. If it doesn't maybe we need to consider > the other options? > > Mark > > PS > >> I compiled Linux From Scratch and all I got was this lousy command >> line! >> > > Great sig! Almost good enough to steal... It would make a good T > shirt, too > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:19:54 +0000 >> From: Jeremy Henty >> Subject: Re: CLUG meeting: epic fail! >> To: clug at cambridge-lug.org >> Message-ID: <20090210151954.GM25867 at omphalos.singularity> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 04:29:35PM +0000, David Thorne wrote: >> >>> I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. >>> >> Good idea. >> >> >>> I'd also like to recommend that we look at 1 week night meeting a >>> month and 1 Sunday meeting. >>> >> That's also a good idea, as we alrady know that some people want >> Sundays free for other things. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeremy Henty >> -- >> I compiled Linux From Scratch and all I got was this lousy command >> line! >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug at cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> >> >> End of CLUG Digest, Vol 66, Issue 10 >> ************************************ >> > > > > > > Regards > > > From jt at camalyn.org Wed Feb 11 20:06:40 2009 From: jt at camalyn.org (jt at camalyn.org) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:06:40 +0000 Subject: JOB: Database (MySQL preferred) Architect, Reading, United Kingdom Message-ID: <1234379200.30278.11.camel@linux-qtk6.site> JOB: ? Hi List, I am working with a client in Reading (Berkshire) that are looking to recruit a high-level specialist, someone who has experience in large-scale deployments and can come in and tell them what they need to be doing without going through a significant learning process first. Whilst they currently run with MySQL they do not necessarily need to hire a MySQL guru, however the database architect should certainly be familiar with MySQL. What?s more important is that the database architect has experience designing large, replicated, globally distributed databases built for performance. ?Whilst the developers have had some involvement with capacity planning and performance monitoring of the live system in conjunction with the operations team this responsibility will move entirely to the database architect over time. ?This isn't a development role so the db architect wouldn't be taking over the writing of all SQL or anything but they would be expected to use their expertise in advising the developers how best to tune their code. ?Stored procedures are not currently used but they will probably look at it in the future and this again would be something that the architect would certainly get involved in as well revisit existing SQL with a view to perhaps rewrite and/ or optimise. They are running a mixture of ?MySQL 4.1 and 5.0. They don't run enterprise as they always aim to employ talented staff so they can support everything as far as possible in house. This goes for the OS as well, which is why they use CentOS and not RHEL. ? Although part of the job will involve finding new opportunities to exploit new features or better use existing ones there are ?no immediate plans to upgrade to 5.1. There are no specific bottlenecks or db problems as such, the focus is changing in such a way that they need to be able to store more data and consequently they need to have the architect in place. However, there is a focus on continual improvement of what they have. As with all IT systems, there is always something that can be optimised. Identifying potential future bottlenecks and avoiding them is also part of the role. In terms of the number of high transactional servers - which would be the definite focus - we are looking at high 30s. They do use MySQL replication but not clustering at this time. Regarding salary, I have previously recruited a MySQL database admin/ architect onto a base salary of ?55k in Reading. This client is open-minded to paying this or above for the right person and can help with relocation too. For more information please contact me off list. You can leave a voice mail for me on 07952 145 127 or e-mail me (which is better). My e-mail address is james at camalyn.org All the best, JAMES From dom at latter.org Thu Feb 12 10:59:51 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:59:51 +0100 Subject: Virtualisation. Message-ID: <200902121059.51681.dom@latter.org> As part pf the same project that calls for an encrypted filesystem, I'm looking at running a virtual machine. The main server is intended to be highly secure and will run a subversion server as a document repository. The client then mentioned moving their email and web servers on to this machine. To keep things secure I think it's best to run this on a VM. Security / separation is probably more important than performance. I think Xen looks like the best candidate for the job. Vserver is fast but doesn't provide as much separation. UML is my other current option. We've got a VT-enabled Xeon to run on so it will play nicely with Xen. Any thoughts? From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Thu Feb 12 12:30:30 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:30:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Virtualisation. In-Reply-To: <200902121059.51681.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <859553676.351234438229961.JavaMail.root@contemporaryfusion.co.uk> We run Xen at work quite extensivly, both in a commercial environment through Citrix Xen Enterprise and also the OSS version that comes with RHEL/CentOS and the likes. I have never had a problem with it, in fact I love it. The only reason I don't use it for all my VMs is the GUI's that exist for it on the desktop - in my opinion - suck. If you don't require a GUI (And as this is a secure server I would highly recommend you did not let X any where near the machine - a good golden rule as I am sure you know is only install what you need) I am probably doing a Refresh talk on VM's in April. If you would like I would be more than happy to show you a sneak preview of my presentation if you would like, as I suspect April will be quite a long time to wait for an active project. I am pretty sure you are on the Refresh Cambridge list, if not it's available to subscribe at http://www.refreshcambridge.org/ Hope this helps, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dom Latter" To: clug at cambridge-lug.org Sent: Thursday, 12 February, 2009 9:59:51 AM GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Virtualisation. As part pf the same project that calls for an encrypted filesystem, I'm looking at running a virtual machine. The main server is intended to be highly secure and will run a subversion server as a document repository. The client then mentioned moving their email and web servers on to this machine. To keep things secure I think it's best to run this on a VM. Security / separation is probably more important than performance. I think Xen looks like the best candidate for the job. Vserver is fast but doesn't provide as much separation. UML is my other current option. We've got a VT-enabled Xeon to run on so it will play nicely with Xen. Any thoughts? _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug at cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From dom at latter.org Thu Feb 12 13:01:26 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:01:26 +0100 Subject: Virtualisation. In-Reply-To: <859553676.351234438229961.JavaMail.root@contemporaryfusion.co.uk> References: <859553676.351234438229961.JavaMail.root@contemporaryfusion.co.uk> Message-ID: <200902121301.26879.dom@latter.org> On Thursday 12 February 2009 12:30:30 David Thorne wrote: [Xen] > I have never had a problem with it, in fact I love it. The only reason I I've been warned about disk performance - had any issues there? > don't use it for all my VMs is the GUI's that exist for it on the desktop - > in my opinion - suck. If you don't require a GUI (And as this is a secure Do you mean GUI tools? > I am probably doing a Refresh talk on VM's in April. If you would like I > would be more than happy to show you a sneak preview of my presentation if > you would like, as I suspect April will be quite a long time to wait for an I think I need to decide today, really! > active project. I am pretty sure you are on the Refresh Cambridge list, if > not it's available to subscribe at http://www.refreshcambridge.org/ Certainly am. And if you see my name anywhere it's overwhelmingly likely to be me. From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Thu Feb 12 15:32:01 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:32:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Virtualisation. In-Reply-To: <370202284.381234447983376.JavaMail.root@contemporaryfusion.co.uk> Message-ID: <1497039449.401234449121703.JavaMail.root@contemporaryfusion.co.uk> I haven't experienced major disk performence issues, I think it's down to how you partition and whether you use disk intesive processes such as software RAID, etc. Yes I mean with regards GUI Tools for setting up the VM's etc or if you are wanting a desktop (Say to test a new release of a distro prior to roll out) then I tend to use Sun's virtualbox. HTH Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dom Latter" To: clug at cambridge-lug.org Sent: Thursday, 12 February, 2009 12:01:26 PM GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: Virtualisation. On Thursday 12 February 2009 12:30:30 David Thorne wrote: [Xen] > I have never had a problem with it, in fact I love it. The only reason I I've been warned about disk performance - had any issues there? > don't use it for all my VMs is the GUI's that exist for it on the desktop - > in my opinion - suck. If you don't require a GUI (And as this is a secure Do you mean GUI tools? > I am probably doing a Refresh talk on VM's in April. If you would like I > would be more than happy to show you a sneak preview of my presentation if > you would like, as I suspect April will be quite a long time to wait for an I think I need to decide today, really! > active project. I am pretty sure you are on the Refresh Cambridge list, if > not it's available to subscribe at http://www.refreshcambridge.org/ Certainly am. And if you see my name anywhere it's overwhelmingly likely to be me. _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug at cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 21:19:08 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:19:08 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <126d63860902121219o15c691b2v65b3f59587e380d9@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:29 PM, David Thorne wrote: > It's a great pub for real ale if you like such things, > Any objections? I like drinking Ale :) I'm quite tempted to drag my self out of the house if there is gunna be beer. -- Drew Fitzsimmons From wawrzek at gmail.com Thu Feb 12 23:10:55 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:10:55 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: 2009/2/9 David Thorne : > I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. It's > basically a case of cross East Road and then turn right at the gate thing > you meet. It's a great pub for real ale if you like such things, does do > Coffee (Though I have never braved it) has sofas and actually is fairly > quiet on the Sunday. > > Any thoughts of additional places we could look at? We have until 8th March > to decide for the next Sunday meeting. I'd also like to recommend that we > look at 1 week night meeting a month and 1 Sunday meeting. Those who can > only make one can at least join in, those of us ubergeeks who would like to > make 2 would of course be welcome to attend both :-) > > Any objections? Something opposite. Can I make one more step one suggest one of you guys as I leader/moderator of our monthly beer meetings ;) One person who will be remember about when and where we plan to meet. Maybe try to collect interesting ideas/funny situation from the meetings and share with others on the list. David, Longman (& others). What do you think? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Fri Feb 13 10:12:02 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:12:02 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <49953962.20301@the-thornes.co.uk> Fine by me - should we do this democractically? Or use what lug.org.uk says? They say Mark Roberts (mark taurine demon co uk) but I don't even know if he is even still on this list? If he isn't should we look at updating the lug list, if you are Mark do you have enough time to be the "leader of the group"? Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > 2009/2/9 David Thorne : > >> I think a "generic" default secondry place should be The Tram Depot. It's >> basically a case of cross East Road and then turn right at the gate thing >> you meet. It's a great pub for real ale if you like such things, does do >> Coffee (Though I have never braved it) has sofas and actually is fairly >> quiet on the Sunday. >> >> Any thoughts of additional places we could look at? We have until 8th March >> to decide for the next Sunday meeting. I'd also like to recommend that we >> look at 1 week night meeting a month and 1 Sunday meeting. Those who can >> only make one can at least join in, those of us ubergeeks who would like to >> make 2 would of course be welcome to attend both :-) >> >> Any objections? >> > > Something opposite. > > Can I make one more step one suggest one of you guys as I > leader/moderator of our monthly beer meetings ;) One person who will > be remember about when and where we plan to meet. Maybe try to collect > interesting ideas/funny situation from the meetings and share with > others on the list. > > David, Longman (& others). What do you think? > > Wawrzek > From zen13321 at zen.co.uk Sat Feb 14 13:27:28 2009 From: zen13321 at zen.co.uk (Mark Roberts) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:27:28 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <49953962.20301@the-thornes.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> <49953962.20301@the-thornes.co.uk> Message-ID: <4996B8B0.2000708@zen.co.uk> Hi All, > Fine by me - should we do this democractically? Or use what lug.org.uk > says? They say Mark Roberts (mark taurine demon co > uk) but I don't even know if he is even still on this list? If he > isn't should we look at updating the lug list, if you are Mark do you > have enough time to be the "leader of the group"? I am still on the list :) I'm not and have never been "leader of the group", indeed there hasn't been such a position for a long time - Richard Smith possibly was the leader when I first joined the mailing list sometime in 2000 and I inherited the user/pass to the web server for no reason other than enthusiasm when he moved away from Cambridge. I'm only listed there with lug.org.uk because someone ought to be. Does it really say leader? It ought to say contact. I do lurk on lug.org.uk mailing lists just to be sure nothing really important crops up that we ought to know about. You can tell from how often I post that this is a rare occurance! Is anyone else lurking on the lug.org.uk mailing lists? And I used to come to meetings regularly but the Sunday afternoon timing always caused tension with family. I would like to come along to meetings again, and I support the idea of an alternative time. The Sunday meets and venue are great if you can make it, but weekday evenings do seem more justifiable to family. Also considering timing, it would be a great idea to try to avoid clashing with related local groups. Recently I've begun to go to other events, such as Software East and BCS-SPA - both typically on a Wednesday. I'm intending to go to CHASE events too, typically on a Monday I think. Of course I always try to mention CLUG to people at these things if the opportunity crops up. (Hi to the chap I mentioned CLUG to at BCS-SPA on Wednesday if you are now on the list?) Writing this email is giving me a number of other ideas around CLUG. These are in the areas of meetings, website, marketing, and group history/philosophy/identity. I'll stop rambling, develop those some more and post a bit more in the very near future :) Best regards, Mark Roberts. From zen13321 at zen.co.uk Mon Feb 16 22:05:26 2009 From: zen13321 at zen.co.uk (Mark Roberts) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:05:26 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <4996B8B0.2000708@zen.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> <49953962.20301@the-thornes.co.uk> <4996B8B0.2000708@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <4999D516.9010303@zen.co.uk> Hi All, > Writing this email is giving me a number of other ideas around CLUG. > These are in the areas of meetings, website, marketing, and group > history/philosophy/identity. I'll stop rambling, develop those some more > and post a bit more in the very near future :) I've thought some more but I haven't written it up yet. But since mentioning I had access to the hosting, I have had a query already about updating some user details on the gallery page :) I've just dusted off my shell credentials and they are still valid. But it looks as though the development process changed since I last used it, cos the staging area for the code doesn't match what is on the live site. Is Joseph Birr-Pixton still on this mailing list? Joseph, if you are still here can you email me please? And did anyone actively work on it since Joseph? What I'm looking for is what the development procedure is (there are/were scripts and tools for publishing changes) and what the credentials are for the database. Looking through my local CLUG mail archive I can see some discussion around October 2006, when Jon Green posted the "We're Very Much Alive!" message that still shows as the last update on the website. Was that really the last time we discussed it? I'm amazed. Best regards, Mark. From wawrzek at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 23:27:24 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (Wawrzyniec =?unknown-8bit?Q?Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:27:24 +0000 Subject: CLUG meeting: epic fail! In-Reply-To: <4996B8B0.2000708@zen.co.uk> References: <20090208145106.GA25867@omphalos.singularity> <499058EE.5060704@gasops.co.uk> <499059EF.3000205@the-thornes.co.uk> <49953962.20301@the-thornes.co.uk> <4996B8B0.2000708@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090216222723.GC6850@gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:27:28PM +0000, Mark Roberts wrote: > Hi All, > > >Fine by me - should we do this democractically? [...] Rather no too much. In Democracy you need quorum, procedure etc. and groups like LUGs are not good in such things. In informal groups like LUG there are need for Leader people Leading rather than Rules who Rule a community. Nobody oppose my suggestion so there are no reason to bother about procedure too much. > I'm only listed there with lug.org.uk because someone ought to be. Does > it really say leader? It ought to say contact. I do lurk on lug.org.uk > mailing lists just to be sure nothing really important crops up that we > ought to know about. You can tell from how often I post that this is a > rare occurance! > Great news. I think that we should split duties related to CamLUG to small pieces and create the council rather than put everything onto arms of one man. > Is anyone else lurking on the lug.org.uk mailing lists? Oh, good idea. I'm going to join the list. [...] > Sunday meets and venue are great if you can make it, but weekday > evenings do seem more justifiable to family. > Indeed. > Also considering timing, it would be a great idea to try to avoid > clashing with related local groups. Recently I've begun to go to other [...] I think that Thursday might be a good week day. Not a Friday but close. > Writing this email is giving me a number of other ideas around CLUG. > These are in the areas of meetings, website, marketing, and group > history/philosophy/identity. I'll stop rambling, develop those some more > and post a bit more in the very near future :) > There was a project present August last year. -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 10:42:35 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:42:35 +0000 Subject: Ftlk2 Message-ID: Hi, Ftlk2 cannot be build from crux port. The end of install log is bellow. I guess that nobody clean installation of fltk2 recently - the port itself depends on /usr/bin/fltk2-config, which I assume is a port of port. Wawrzek === installing OpenGL === Installing static OpenGL library in /usr/lib Installing shared OpenGL library in /usr/lib === installing fluid === Installing FLUID2 in /usr/bin... make[1]: /usr/bin/fltk2-config: Command not found make[1]: *** [install] Error 127 make: *** [install] Error 2 =======> ERROR: Building '/usr/ports/opt/fltk2/fltk2#r6525-1.pkg.tar.gz' failed. -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Wed Feb 18 10:56:36 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:56:36 +0000 Subject: CIR bandwidth monitoring tool for virtual hosts Message-ID: <499BDB54.5040607@the-thornes.co.uk> Hi guys, I have a problem and I don't know if anyone knows of a solution I could look at. The datacentre we use at work sells us our bandwidth using CIR. I monitor this closly using SNMP on each machine and looking at the data incoming. Does anyone know of a monitoring tool, SNMP based or otherwise to help me work out exactly which vhost on the machien is using all the bandwidth. Tools like webalizer allow me to see the total bandwidth in (say) MB's/GB's used but not as an information rate, which is what I need. I could write a very complex script to analyise the access logs and use the size of the file to give me an approximate usage but surely there has to be a tool out there that I've just missed. Dave From onepoint at starurchin.org Wed Feb 18 11:02:49 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:02:49 +0000 Subject: Ftlk2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090218100249.GU31759@omphalos.singularity> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 09:42:35AM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Ftlk2 cannot be build from crux port. The end of install log is > bellow. I guess that nobody clean installation of fltk2 recently Or maybe the crux port broke the build. I build the exact same version from source and there is no problem: "make install" installs fltk2-config early on and there is no problem if there is no pre-existing fltk2-config . (See the log at the end.) Maybe you could build it manually from source? "./configure --prefix=/usr ; make ; sudo make install" should do it. Cheers, Jeremy Henty $ sudo rm -i -- /usr/bin/fltk2-config rm: remove regular file `/usr/bin/fltk2-config'? y $ sudo make install === installing src === Installing include files in /usr/include/fltk... Installing FLTK1.1 emulation include files in /usr/include/fltk... Installing fltk2-config in /usr/bin... Installing static core library in /usr/lib Installing shared core library in /usr/lib === installing images === Installing static images library in /usr/lib Installing shared images library in /usr/lib === installing OpenGL === Installing static OpenGL library in /usr/lib Installing shared OpenGL library in /usr/lib === installing fluid === Installing FLUID2 in /usr/bin... === installing glut === Installing static glut library in /usr/lib Installing shared glut library in /usr/lib === installing test === === installing documentation === Installing man pages in /usr/share/man From wawrzek at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 13:05:03 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:05:03 +0000 Subject: Ftlk2 In-Reply-To: <20090218100249.GU31759@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090218100249.GU31759@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: Hi, I send the message to the wrong list ;). Anyway how you see I tried to finalize dillo building. I also ordered battery to my laptop so it'll be ready for the presentation. And yes, I think that the Crux port is broken. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From dom at latter.org Wed Feb 18 13:26:28 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:26:28 +0100 Subject: Wifi woes. Message-ID: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> I have an elderly laptop for websurfing and listening to the radio. It was on Ubuntu 7.10 but I think since 8.04 the wifi has been broken. Upgraded to 8.10, still broken; tried out the latest Fedora, ditto. Seems that it's a kernel issue, ever since 2.6.17-11: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=358004&page=6 I'm getting mighty fed up of trying out the module blacklisting options that some people have had success with. So I am toying with the idea of installing Gentoo because a) it's a very old machine that needs a lean mean distro and b) it would be reasonably easy (I hope) to pin back the kernel to one that still works. Unless someone's got a dead quick HowTo on rolling back Ubuntu 8.04 (I reinstalled *again*) to an old kernel. Sorry, not really sure what the questions are, mostly I just want to rant about a kernel bug that was first reported in 2006 and is still being a royal PITA with the very latest distros. From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Wed Feb 18 14:01:23 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:01:23 +0000 Subject: CIR bandwidth monitoring tool for virtual hosts Message-ID: <499C06A3.8090608@the-thornes.co.uk> Thanks Dom, I've got SNMP on there monitoring the total bandwidth already - I now need to break it down to individual hosts so I know which client is going over more accurately than "Yes well the only site receving traffic at this time was X" as funnily enough that didn't wash with our clients billing depts (As I told my bosses it wouldn't!) Thanks for the awk script will try it out and see if I can see what's what with regards the CIR rate on the machine and the vhosts - thanks. Dave Dom Latter wrote: > On Wednesday 18 February 2009 10:56:36 David Thorne wrote: > > >> Does anyone know of a monitoring tool, SNMP based or otherwise to help >> me work out exactly which vhost on the machien is using all the >> bandwidth. > > MRTG might be able to help; AIUI it is very adaptable: > http://oss.oetiker.ch/mrtg/ > > Failing that, every network monitoring tool in the history of networking: > http://www.slac.stanford.edu/xorg/nmtf/nmtf-tools.html > starting with the piece of notched wood used at Stonehenge. > > Somebody might have more specific and useful advice regarding vhosts. > > If you are logging your traffic into separate log files for each: > e.g. /var/log/apache2/www.latter.org-access_log then a script to parse > out and total your bytes is simple. I'd use awk: > > awk ' > BEGIN { n = sum = 0 } > { ++n; sum += $10; > #printf "%d\n", $10 > } > END { printf "n = %d, sum = %d\n", n, sum } > ' > > and then grep "18/Feb/2009:12" /var/log/apache2/www.whitelamp.com | > ./weblog_totaller.awk > is a quick hack to show that we've not had any honest visitors > recently . > > A slighly more complicated script could parse the dates and times and > collate > things like that. > > NB your $10 in the awk script is logfile dependent; uncomment the > printf line to see what values it is retrieving. > From onepoint at starurchin.org Wed Feb 18 20:01:19 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:01:19 +0000 Subject: Ftlk2 In-Reply-To: References: <20090218100249.GU31759@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090218190119.GF31759@omphalos.singularity> On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:05:03PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Anyway how you see I tried to finalize dillo building. Yes, I assumed that was why you were installing FLTK2. > I also ordered battery to my laptop so it'll be ready for the > presentation. Looks like I'd better get writing! Is there a date/place for a meeting yet? I think someone suggested Thursdays, which are good for me. And what about a coffee house meeting this Sunday? Cheers, Jeremy Henty From clug at gasops.co.uk Fri Feb 20 16:44:20 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:44:20 +0000 Subject: Wifi woes. In-Reply-To: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> References: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> * Dom Latter wrote: > So I am toying with the idea of installing Gentoo because a) it's a > very old machine that needs a lean mean distro and b) it would be > reasonably easy (I hope) to pin back the kernel to one that still > works. The only comment I can make about Gentoo is make sure you use distributed compilation if it's a very old machine otherwise you'll be compiling code for days.. From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 16:55:22 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:55:22 +0000 Subject: Wifi woes. In-Reply-To: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> References: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: 2009/2/18 Dom Latter : > So I am toying with the idea of installing Gentoo because a) it's a > very old machine that needs a lean mean distro and b) it would be > reasonably easy (I hope) to pin back the kernel to one that still > works. > You might also try Crux. http://crux.nu Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 17:10:05 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:10:05 +0000 Subject: Ftlk2 In-Reply-To: <20090218190119.GF31759@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090218100249.GU31759@omphalos.singularity> <20090218190119.GF31759@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: 2009/2/18 Jeremy Henty : Hi, > Yes, I assumed that was why you were installing FLTK2. > Yes. Dillo is ready. No laptop batteries yet. The first impression of post2 version is not bad. > Looks like I'd better get writing! Is there a date/place for a > meeting yet? I think someone suggested Thursdays, which are good for > me. And what about a coffee house meeting this Sunday? I think one of two next Thursday (26th Feb or 5th Mar) should be fine. Let say 6P.M. What do you think? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From clug at gasops.co.uk Fri Feb 20 17:24:52 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:24:52 +0000 Subject: Wifi woes. In-Reply-To: <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> References: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <499ED954.6080106@gasops.co.uk> I only sent one email - honest guv! From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Feb 20 18:19:14 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:19:14 +0000 Subject: Wifi woes. In-Reply-To: <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> References: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090220171914.GA4646@weber> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 03:44:20PM +0000, Longman wrote: > * Dom Latter wrote: > > So I am toying with the idea of installing Gentoo because a) it's a > > very old machine that needs a lean mean distro and b) it would be > > reasonably easy (I hope) to pin back the kernel to one that still > > works. > > The only comment I can make about Gentoo is make sure you use > distributed compilation if it's a very old machine otherwise you'll be > compiling code for days.. Absolutely. If you want a lean mean disto for an old computer, I'd go with Debian every time. From onepoint at starurchin.org Mon Feb 23 12:40:40 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:40:40 +0000 Subject: Ftlk2 In-Reply-To: References: <20090218100249.GU31759@omphalos.singularity> <20090218190119.GF31759@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090223114040.GB22801@omphalos.singularity> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 04:10:05PM +0000, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > I think one of two next Thursday (26th Feb or 5th Mar) should be > fine. Let say 6P.M. What do you think? 6pm 5th March is good. Where? Jeremy Henty From dom at latter.org Mon Feb 23 16:28:23 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:28:23 +0100 Subject: Wifi woes. In-Reply-To: <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> References: <200902181326.28486.dom@latter.org> <499ECFD4.4020003@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <200902231628.23406.dom@latter.org> On Friday 20 February 2009 16:44:20 Longman wrote: > The only comment I can make about Gentoo is make sure you use > distributed compilation if it's a very old machine otherwise you'll be > compiling code for days.. Yup. Few years ago I built up Gentoo the long way, on a Pentium MMX / 166. Took a while... From wawrzek at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 00:52:17 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (Wawrzyniec =?utf-8?Q?Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:52:17 +0000 Subject: Metting 05/03/2009 Message-ID: <20090223235216.GA5681@gmail.com> Hi, Please add any notes about meeting here. Time: 5th of March 2009 6.00 PM Location: Any suggestion? I think the standard protocol is fine so CB2. Agenda: Jeremy Henty is going to present Dillo - very small web browser especially new (devel) option of interpreting CSS styles. I would like also like to discuss how we can help CamLUG to grow. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From zen13321 at zen.co.uk Wed Feb 25 22:48:31 2009 From: zen13321 at zen.co.uk (Mark Roberts) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:48:31 +0000 Subject: Metting 05/03/2009 In-Reply-To: <20090223235216.GA5681@gmail.com> References: <20090223235216.GA5681@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A5BCAF.1010001@zen.co.uk> Hi, Great to see you keeping the energy going :) Just some constructive criticism: > Please add any notes about meeting here. > > Time: > 5th of March 2009 6.00 PM Interesting point really, 6PM probably suits people already in central Cambridge really well. And prevents everyone else. Personally I work 45 miles out from Cambridge so I don't even get home until after 6PM. But I could come along later on I guess, after the demo. I'm sure Dillo is great but I'm not coming for that TBH. No lack of respect intended Jeremy :) But you should go with a time that suits best the people that are definitely COMING. > I would like also like to discuss how we can help CamLUG to grow. In terms of 'growing' you might be surprised how many people consider themselves to be part of CLUG. The last time I saw the list there were more than 150 people subscribed to the mailing list. That was maybe 3 years ago, and list traffic was about the same as it is today. I think perhaps what you are trying to grow is attendance at meetings? Some people think that demand for meetings is low due to meetings not being all that exciting - no speakers or presentations for example. This could be true, but it could be that meetings don't happen because people don't have any appetite left for that sort of thing. There are so many other great technical groups in Cambridge (CHASE, BCS-SPA, Software East, CETC, many many more), along with all the stuff going on at the University. Please DO try to grow it, I'm just saying there are some surprising Cambridge-specific reasons why it might not happen. Best regards, Mark. From turnerst at family-zone.co.uk Thu Feb 26 00:38:03 2009 From: turnerst at family-zone.co.uk (Stuart Turner) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:38:03 -0000 Subject: Metting 05/03/2009 In-Reply-To: <49A5BCAF.1010001@zen.co.uk> References: <20090223235216.GA5681@gmail.com> <49A5BCAF.1010001@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <007701c997a2$1bd30480$53790d80$@co.uk> It also feels quite intimidating to post to the list ... you know if you don't ask the right question you don't get an answer. And hell, to go to a meeting, I think I'd be laughed at even though I have a genuine interest in Open Source and the spirit it brings because I'm not technical enough ... It's a bit like your first DIY job - it's very intimidating as you don't know quite what to ask for as it's the first time you've done it. Dare I say that groups like this don't encourage people, they just encourage people to stay away from it. Perhaps we should take a page from my running club - they have a "new members officer" who's job is nothing more than to make new members feel welcome and explain how things work - how nice that would be! - Stuart -----Original Message----- From: clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org [mailto:clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: 25 February 2009 21:49 To: CamLUG Subject: Re: Metting 05/03/2009 Hi, Great to see you keeping the energy going :) Just some constructive criticism: > Please add any notes about meeting here. > > Time: > 5th of March 2009 6.00 PM Interesting point really, 6PM probably suits people already in central Cambridge really well. And prevents everyone else. Personally I work 45 miles out from Cambridge so I don't even get home until after 6PM. But I could come along later on I guess, after the demo. I'm sure Dillo is great but I'm not coming for that TBH. No lack of respect intended Jeremy :) But you should go with a time that suits best the people that are definitely COMING. > I would like also like to discuss how we can help CamLUG to grow. In terms of 'growing' you might be surprised how many people consider themselves to be part of CLUG. The last time I saw the list there were more than 150 people subscribed to the mailing list. That was maybe 3 years ago, and list traffic was about the same as it is today. I think perhaps what you are trying to grow is attendance at meetings? Some people think that demand for meetings is low due to meetings not being all that exciting - no speakers or presentations for example. This could be true, but it could be that meetings don't happen because people don't have any appetite left for that sort of thing. There are so many other great technical groups in Cambridge (CHASE, BCS-SPA, Software East, CETC, many many more), along with all the stuff going on at the University. Please DO try to grow it, I'm just saying there are some surprising Cambridge-specific reasons why it might not happen. Best regards, Mark. _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug at cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From wawrzek at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 01:14:28 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:14:28 +0000 Subject: How to include subtitles into video Message-ID: Hi, I want to include subtitles into video (it means have a one file). Do you have any experience? I tried VLC but it give me some error message, so I think that I need to choose proper sets of options. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Thu Feb 26 02:14:05 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 01:14:05 +0000 Subject: How to include subtitles into video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4126b3450902251714g44ae09bew40f31a562aaf9b29@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/26 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski > > I want to include subtitles into video (it means have a one file). Tried SMIL? > > Do > you have any experience? Not much. For issues about subtitles (well, closed captions really) and accessibility, Joe Clark [1] is the expert. > > I tried VLC but it give me some error > message, so I think that I need to choose proper sets of options. I've never tried to do this with VLC; in fact, I didn't know it was possible. Please post your method to the list if you succeed! [1] http://joeclark.org/access/captioning/