From zen13321 at zen.co.uk Wed Dec 2 09:12:28 2009 From: zen13321 at zen.co.uk (Mark Roberts) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:12:28 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> Hi, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: >> I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe >> Czucha's wiki. > > There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: > > http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/index.php/Index.php May I ask, what is going on if anything with the site? I see the wiki is now just a massive pile of spam and vandalism - does that prove the wiki model doesn't work for us after all (lack of critical mass in the oversight department) or are we continuing with it? I just got an email enquiry asking where our web site is and finding this wiki caused me to log in to my shell account on the cambridge-lug.org server to try to piece together what ought to be on the site. I have a backup of the site from 2002! But the shell tools for getting the code from CVS and promoting changes to the live site seem to be missing. Realistically, if the redirect was taken off, would we be back to having a really old looking web site that did at least contain the most important information, namely: 1) How to join this list 2) Where and when we meet ? Also, did anyone manage to get in touch with Joseph Birr-Pixton? I may have a bit more time/motivation to do some work on the site now, so any thoughts? Best regards, Mark. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4653 (20091201) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From dom at latter.org Wed Dec 2 12:25:27 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:25:27 +0100 Subject: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. Message-ID: <4B164EA7.9030906@latter.org> [never appeared, first time round, 27/11/09] Anyone using Arch? I've been using Ubuntu for a few years [0] but I've just tried using the live version of 9.10 and if I boot the laptop with the big external display attached, I get an utterly unusable flickering console. FWIW I've installed Ubuntu 9.10 on the "kitchen radio" [1] laptop which is just about minimum spec and it works reasonably well. I've switched from Gnome to LXDE on that machine to conserve RAM. Only weirdness was that it would not install properly if I made my /boot partition an ext2 filesystem. Worked fine with ext4. So I'm thinking of dumping Ubuntu - I've been waiting for it because the 9.04 kernel has a bug in the intel video driver that makes video performance suck the big one... and it appears it's still buggy. Besides, the requirements of Ubuntu do creep up and the laptop's not getting any faster. So I'm currently looking at Arch and Frugalware, both of which claim to be lightweight and for the experienced Linux user. Anyone used either of these? [0] Mandrake before that; and before that on the work fileserver, SuSE, and before that I think it was Red Hat on a 486SX/33... [1] Main job is, indeed, living in the kitchen and providing me with Radio 4. From gareth.pullen at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 21:17:56 2009 From: gareth.pullen at gmail.com (Gareth Pullen) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:17:56 +0000 Subject: Ping! In-Reply-To: <4B12478B.6070906@latter.org> References: <4B12478B.6070906@latter.org> Message-ID: Well, I've just had a fair few CLUG emails suddenly pop into my Inbox, so I'd say it wasn't on... Hopefully this means it is now. Apologies to Dom for (hopefully) sending this to him twice, but it should mean we can tell if it's working again... Gareth. On 2 Dec 2009 20:08, "Dom Latter" wrote: Is this thing on? A recent post neither appeared nor was bounced. _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug at cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091202/80d024a2/attachment.html From flego.federico at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 20:35:31 2009 From: flego.federico at gmail.com (Federico Flego) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:35:31 +0100 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> Hi there, I've being using Archlinux on a Dell inspiron 5150 (Pentium 4 3.06 GHz, 1Gb RAM) for a few years. It is very similar to Slackware with a 'user friendly' software install manager. The main philosophy is it installs basic (really basic) software, than you add what you want. In my opinion, when you want to run Linux on old machines, the largest gain is to run a light window manager (I use xfce, heavier than lxde)). Changing distribution will give smaller gains in comparison. Archlinux actually provides you these smaller gains too, since it doesn't install and keep running, as several distributions do by default, all possible demons and other little programs that constantly check everything... If you need some of these applications, as for example a battery daemon for your laptop, you need to explicitly install them. You could achieve the same result de-installing/turning off a lot of unwanted stuff on other distributions. I prefer to start from little and add on :) Hope it helps somehow... Cheers, Ico. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. (dom at latter.org) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. > From: > dom at latter.org > Date: > Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:15:56 +0100 > To: > clug at cambridge-lug.org > > To: > clug at cambridge-lug.org > > > Anyone using Arch? > > I've been using Ubuntu for a few years [0] but I've just tried using the > live version > of 9.10 and if I boot the laptop with the big external display attached, > I get an > utterly unusable flickering console. > > FWIW I've installed Ubuntu 9.10 on the "kitchen radio" [1] laptop which > is just > about minimum spec and it works reasonably well. I've switched from > Gnome to LXDE > on that machine to conserve RAM. Only weirdness was that it would not > install properly > if I made my /boot partition an ext2 filesystem. Worked fine with ext4. > > So I'm thinking of dumping Ubuntu - I've been waiting for it because the > 9.04 kernel > has a bug in the intel video driver that makes video performance suck > the big one... > and it appears it's still buggy. > > Besides, the requirements of Ubuntu do creep up and the laptop's not > getting any > faster. So I'm currently looking at Arch and Frugalware, both of which > claim > to be lightweight and for the experienced Linux user. > > Anyone used either of these? > > [0] Mandrake before that; and before that on the work fileserver, SuSE, > and before > that I think it was Red Hat on a 486SX/33... > [1] Main job is, indeed, living in the kitchen and providing me with > Radio 4. > > From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Wed Dec 2 22:10:19 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:10:19 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/2 Mark Roberts > Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > >> I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe > >> Czucha's wiki. > > > > There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: > > > > http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/index.php/Index.php > > May I ask, what is going on if anything with the site? I see the wiki is > now just a massive pile of spam and vandalism - does that prove the wiki > model doesn't work for us after all (lack of critical mass in the > oversight department) I don't think it proves it. It has proved that for the wiki model to work, the wiki needs to be set up with the sort of anti-spam measures I've suggested previously on this list. > or are we continuing with it? I, for one, would be happy to continue with a wiki, but probably not that wiki, since: - as you pointed out, it's full of spam; - it seems to have no anti-spam features enabled; - Joe hasn't been seen on this list for a while and in any case hasn't provided us with a spam-free wiki. If anyone else agrees with me and would be happy for me to maintain the wiki, then could Mark or Drew please set CLUG's domain to redirect to http://clug.sampablokuper.com ? I'd be happy to maintain it indefinitely. Ta, Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091202/306e058a/attachment.htm From dom at latter.org Wed Dec 2 22:38:50 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:38:50 +0100 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> References: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16DE6A.5050500@latter.org> Federico Flego wrote: > Hope it helps somehow... Yes, in that at least one person I "know" is actually using Arch! There's a lot to be said for "add what you need" - I've flirted with Gentoo in the past but then of course you end up obsessed with optimising everything to the nth degree instead of getting on with actually *using* the system. I may give Arch a go but the worry is that with non-generic hardware (in other words a laptop) I'd end up spending too much time trying to get things working that with a well-known distro like Ubuntu, well, at least you can search the forums and find someone else that has been there already. From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Wed Dec 2 22:39:23 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:39:23 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16DE8B.5000804@mansfield.co.uk> I'm going to play devil's advocate here, to try and provoke people out of their apathy! I think the clug website should be replaced with a static page simply referencing the mailing list, and a set of links to member's home pages/blogs called maybe "planet clug". the links should be removed if the references website doesn't get updated for, say, 6 months? I still think the CLUG performs a useful service, really as a geek social focus, rather than as a technical resource. A lot has happened in the years since it was created, making linux far less of a minority interest, it's now pretty easy to install and maintain for newbies, and for experts there are many excellent linux resources out there. From faemir at faemir.co.uk Wed Dec 2 22:42:21 2009 From: faemir at faemir.co.uk (Daniel Cohen) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:42:21 +0000 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> References: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16DF3D.8000605@faemir.co.uk> I'll second this. Arch Linux was the distro that finally stopped me from hopping. The best package manager ever, a great community with exceptional helpful irc *glares at ubuntu* and a plethora of packages, not to mention all the user made packages in one central place (it's really easy to make your own too). I almost forgot the wiki - like the gentoo one, it's so helpful in everything, and gives you simple step-by-step instructions for all your exotic hardware needs, though most of the time it's not needed - my eeepc worked out of the box :) On 02/12/2009 19:35, Federico Flego wrote: > Hi there, > > I've being using Archlinux on a Dell inspiron 5150 (Pentium 4 3.06 GHz, > 1Gb RAM) for a few years. It is very similar to Slackware with a 'user > friendly' software install manager. > The main philosophy is it installs basic (really basic) software, than > you add what you want. > > In my opinion, when you want to run Linux on old machines, the largest > gain is to run a light window manager (I use xfce, heavier than lxde)). > Changing distribution will give smaller gains in comparison. > > Archlinux actually provides you these smaller gains too, since it > doesn't install and keep running, as several distributions do by > default, all possible demons and other little programs that constantly > check everything... > > If you need some of these applications, as for example a battery daemon > for your laptop, you need to explicitly install them. You could achieve > the same result de-installing/turning off a lot of unwanted stuff on > other distributions. I prefer to start from little and add on :) > > Hope it helps somehow... > > Cheers, > > Ico. > From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 23:07:47 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:07:47 +0000 Subject: List problems Message-ID: <126d63860912021407s3f53fc42y760383818c7ca0a3@mail.gmail.com> Hi I have just received the last months worth of mails from the list.... I thought it had been a bit quiet. Anyone know anything about why this might have happened? -- Drew Fitzsimmons From zen13321 at zen.co.uk Wed Dec 2 23:33:38 2009 From: zen13321 at zen.co.uk (Mark Roberts) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:33:38 +0000 Subject: List problems In-Reply-To: <126d63860912021407s3f53fc42y760383818c7ca0a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860912021407s3f53fc42y760383818c7ca0a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16EB42.7050800@zen.co.uk> Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > Hi I have just received the last months worth of mails from the > list.... I thought it had been a bit quiet. > > Anyone know anything about why this might have happened? I hadn't seen any traffic since late October, but thought it was just quiet. Then tonight when I didn't even get back my own message (of this morning), I asked Thomas if something was up with the server, and he fixed something :) So based on your comment, I'm not the only one that wasn't getting mail - but some people must have been, unless the new mode is to send mail then look for replies on the web archive? In future I'm going to keep an eye on the archive if it goes quiet: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/ Best regards, Mark. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4656 (20091202) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From flego.federico at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 23:00:26 2009 From: flego.federico at gmail.com (Federico Flego) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:00:26 +0100 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B16E37A.205@gmail.com> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. > From: > dom at latter.org > Date: > Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:38:50 +0100 > To: > Cambridge LUG > > To: > Cambridge LUG > > > Federico Flego wrote: > > > >> Hope it helps somehow... > > Yes, in that at least one person I "know" is actually using Arch! > > There's a lot to be said for "add what you need" - I've flirted with > Gentoo in the past but then of course you end up obsessed with optimising > everything to the nth degree instead of getting on with actually *using* > the system. > > I may give Arch a go but the worry is that with non-generic hardware (in > other words a laptop) I'd end up spending too much time trying to get > things working that with a well-known distro like Ubuntu, well, at least > you can search the forums and find someone else that has been there > already. > Yes, I know, 'what you need' is very relative! I've used slackware, gentoo, red-hat, suse, and know I'm happy with arch! Personally I'm strongly biased toward fast, light and simple. The cons are sometimes you need to spend time to 'know' your system a little bit more... Therefore special effects are banned :) and I want my hardware to last 10 years, not 3 just because each time a new OS is on the market, it requires 10 times more power just to handle new special effects. That's my view, of course... beauty it's a value and someone may need it on her/his computer :) Regarding the hardware compatibility, most of the drivers are in the kernel, especially for old machines. Although not all distributions are sync with the latest kernel version, you probably don't need it. The problem, maybe, is whether your hardware (although existing for many years) has yet been supported. For this you can have a look at: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ http://www.linux.org/hardware/laptop.html Cheers, Ico. From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Thu Dec 3 00:35:33 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:35:33 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4B16DE8B.5000804@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <4B16DE8B.5000804@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4126b3450912021535y7e5c2444o11cd12cd588c0a89@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/2 Paul > > I'm going to play devil's advocate here, to try and provoke people out > of their apathy! > > I think the clug website should be replaced with a static page simply > referencing the mailing list, and a set of links to member's home > pages/blogs called maybe "planet clug". the links should be removed if > the references website doesn't get updated for, say, 6 months? > A bit like this ? In my experience, spam-protected wikis stay static pretty reliably in the absence of active users. The benefit of a wiki, of course, is that if there *are* any active, constructive users, they can just update the pages instead of having to email the list for months trying to work out who has the keys to the server. Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091202/45613387/attachment.htm From dom at latter.org Thu Dec 3 00:43:58 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:43:58 +0100 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B16E37A.205@gmail.com> References: <4B16E37A.205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16FBBE.8090500@latter.org> Federico Flego wrote: > Personally I'm strongly biased toward fast, light and simple. Completely, avoiding bloat is why a lot of us end up here! > The cons are sometimes you need to spend time to 'know' your system a > little bit more... Therefore special effects are banned :) and I want my > hardware to last 10 years, not 3 just because each time a new OS is on I think my oldest "running" computer - the "kitchen radio" is about ten years old. > Regarding the hardware compatibility, most of the drivers are in the > kernel, especially for old machines. Although not all distributions are > sync with the latest kernel version, you probably don't need it. The For old laptops using the intel video driver, this has been a *major* issue. From dom at latter.org Thu Dec 3 01:15:47 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:15:47 +0100 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B16DF3D.8000605@faemir.co.uk> References: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> <4B16DF3D.8000605@faemir.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B170333.7070307@latter.org> Daniel Cohen wrote: > I'll second this. Arch Linux was the distro that finally stopped me from > hopping. The best package manager ever, a great community with > exceptional helpful irc *glares at ubuntu* and a plethora of packages, > not to mention all the user made packages in one central place (it's > really easy to make your own too). I don't really "get" IRC - I like the considered responses you get from mailing lists and Usenet, and the easy-to-search archives of the Ubuntu forums are a big plus point /there/ - but this (i.e. your reply) is very encouraging (along with Federico's replies). IOW if *nobody* on CLUG (probably not a very big sample of Linux users, but probably a very clued-up sample) was using it, I don't think I'd go further. I'm now downloading some ISOs. Ideally I will be able to do what I've been doing with Ubuntu ISOs - extract the kernel and initrd to disk, to provide a boot environment which then mounts the ISO from a USB stick from the rest. I don't trust my CD burner these days... From faemir at faemir.co.uk Thu Dec 3 01:38:52 2009 From: faemir at faemir.co.uk (Daniel Cohen) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:38:52 +0000 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B170333.7070307@latter.org> References: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> <4B16DF3D.8000605@faemir.co.uk> <4B170333.7070307@latter.org> Message-ID: <4B17089C.6060002@faemir.co.uk> Arch Linux provides usb .img files so you can straight away install without any CDs. Also I would recommend the netinstall - it's slightly less bandwidth (because you dont download the iso with old packages then update to the new ones) and you feel like you waste less of the server bandwidth because you start with the absolute latest packages. And it's novel ;) But there is a great forum too, though I don't know about the mailing lists. For me the wiki solves almost all of my enquiries, and then any problem I have are either detailed later in the article, or I pop on IRC, and the people there are incredibly friendly. Normally. You occasionally get responses like: how do I get subtitles in mplayer? man mplayer lol. But that may be because I'm on there all the time and should stop asking so many noob questions... (and mrelendig is on irc 24/7 I swear, and responds to nearly every query in useful ways, not to knock him) I guess the bottom line is... I find that Arch has a /better/ community than ubuntu. As long as you can follow step-by-step instructions it's not 'harder' - it just takes more setup time at the start. Hell, it takes less time later on because you don't get 6 monthly updates that can break your system. Also, because there is a small userbase, and a much larger percentage are very knowledgable in linux, it means you can access the information you want much quicker, and worst comes to worst you adapt some walkthrough for ubuntu for arch. Some things are even simpler than in ubuntu - want codec and dvd support? pacman -S codecs libdvdcss (okay yes codecs are now easy in ubuntu but libdvdcss still requires medibuntu) Sorry for the wall of text. > Daniel Cohen wrote: > >> I'll second this. Arch Linux was the distro that finally stopped me from >> hopping. The best package manager ever, a great community with >> exceptional helpful irc *glares at ubuntu* and a plethora of packages, >> not to mention all the user made packages in one central place (it's >> really easy to make your own too). >> > I don't really "get" IRC - I like the considered responses you get from > mailing lists and Usenet, and the easy-to-search archives of the Ubuntu > forums are a big plus point /there/ - but this (i.e. your reply) is very > encouraging (along with Federico's replies). IOW if *nobody* on CLUG > (probably not a very big sample of Linux users, but probably a very > clued-up sample) was using it, I don't think I'd go further. > > I'm now downloading some ISOs. Ideally I will be able to do what I've > been doing with Ubuntu ISOs - extract the kernel and initrd to disk, > to provide a boot environment which then mounts the ISO from a USB > stick from the rest. I don't trust my CD burner these days... > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From dom at latter.org Thu Dec 3 02:05:14 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:05:14 +0100 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B17089C.6060002@faemir.co.uk> References: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> <4B16DF3D.8000605@faemir.co.uk> <4B170333.7070307@latter.org> <4B17089C.6060002@faemir.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B170ECA.4000200@latter.org> Daniel Cohen wrote: > Arch Linux provides usb .img files so you can straight away install > without any CDs. This ol' machine doesn't boot from USB! > can break your system. Also, because there is a small userbase, and a > much larger percentage are very knowledgable in linux, it means you can > access the information you want much quicker, Sounds good. > Sorry for the wall of text. All helpful. From marcus at quintic.co.uk Thu Dec 3 10:58:46 2009 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:58:46 +0000 Subject: Recommendations wanted for lightweight, hackable blogging platform In-Reply-To: <20091121123913.GE12282@omphalos.singularity> References: <20091121123913.GE12282@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <4B178BD6.6050708@quintic.co.uk> Jeremy Henty wrote: > I'd prefer it to be database agnostic and written in Ruby, but neither > of those is mandatory. I have root on my own virtual host, so there > are no restrictions on what I can do to install it. Any tips? I found the following two great to work with, may or may not do what you want out of the box: Webby http://github.com/TwP/webby Jekyll http://github.com/mojombo/jekyll Both of them seem to have a bit of a following on github so you can pick up from where other people have hacked sites together as a lot of people publish their webby/jekyll code through github. Both are ruby projects and end up generating static content which is nice and fast. Both integrate well with a source control system. If you dont want to write your own commenting system there are examples of linking up to something like Disqus (http://disqus.com ). HTH Marcus From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Thu Dec 3 11:18:55 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:18:55 +0000 Subject: List problems In-Reply-To: <126d63860912021407s3f53fc42y760383818c7ca0a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860912021407s3f53fc42y760383818c7ca0a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091203101855.GA3248@weber> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 10:07:47PM +0000, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > Hi I have just received the last months worth of mails from the > list.... I thought it had been a bit quiet. Woah! Yup, same for me. From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Thu Dec 3 11:20:15 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:20:15 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:10:19PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > - Joe hasn't been seen on this list for a while and in any case hasn't > provided us with a spam-free wiki. That's the major problem. > If anyone else agrees with me and would be happy for me to maintain the > wiki, then could Mark or Drew please set CLUG's domain to redirect to > http://clug.sampablokuper.com ? I'd be happy to maintain it indefinitely. I'm going to do this. From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Thu Dec 3 11:26:17 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:26:17 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <20091203102617.GC3248@weber> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 08:12:28AM +0000, Mark Roberts wrote: > May I ask, what is going on if anything with the site? I see the wiki is > now just a massive pile of spam and vandalism - does that prove the wiki > model doesn't work for us after all (lack of critical mass in the > oversight department) or are we continuing with it? I was pretty much the only person doing oversight, and I got bored of deleting ten spam edits a day. I've emailed Joe several times to lock down edits, but he hasn't responded. Tom From huw at synapticsilence.net Thu Dec 3 12:19:42 2009 From: huw at synapticsilence.net (Huw) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:19:42 -0800 Subject: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. Message-ID: <20091203031942.47DB0619@resin18.mta.everyone.net> Hi Dom (In fact, hi everyone - long time lurker, first time poster here) I, too, have been having problems with Ubuntu 9.10 which seemingly nobody is able to help me with so I am also going to dump it. A pity; I joined the Ubuntu community at 6.06 and have been blissfully happy with it until now. Arch is one of the systems I've been looking at recently, along with Debian, Gentoo and FreeBSD (!). I used Arch quite a way back now...well, it would have been before settling on Ubuntu 6.06 so early 2006 at the latest, and no doubt it's changed since then. However, going from what I recall, I think it was/is an excellent distro. It is remarkably lightweight; you literally install only what you need. The standard install, at least when I tried it, put a tiny base system on your PC and you had to specify which kernel modules you needed, etc. I gather it's slightly more automated today. Oh, and it's based on System V too. One of the most pertinent points I could make is that if I could get it working three or so years ago, anyone can! I'm certainly no guru. One other nice thing I can say about Arch is that it's based on rolling release, so no waiting around for six months for new packages. The package installer, pacman, is also very good as I recall. I'd be most interested to read your impressions if you go ahead. Huw From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Thu Dec 3 12:41:10 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:41:10 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/3 Tom Ellis > On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:10:19PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > > - Joe hasn't been seen on this list for a while and in any case hasn't > > provided us with a spam-free wiki. > > That's the major problem. > > > If anyone else agrees with me and would be happy for me to maintain the > > wiki, then could Mark or Drew please set CLUG's domain to redirect to > > http://clug.sampablokuper.com ? I'd be happy to maintain it > indefinitely. > > I'm going to do this. > Thanks Tom. I've added you to the wiki's Administrator and Bureaucrat permission groups. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091203/b40d08ff/attachment.htm From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Thu Dec 3 12:47:24 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:47:24 +0000 Subject: USB Wi-fi recommendation Message-ID: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> Can anyone recommend a USB wifi stick that works with Linux? From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Thu Dec 3 12:50:30 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:50:30 +0000 Subject: USB Wi-fi recommendation In-Reply-To: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> References: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450912030350p74a33323o2dc0cb3f0323b793@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/3 Tom Ellis > Can anyone recommend a USB wifi stick that works with Linux? > I have a Linux-compatible NetGear USB wifi stick I don't use any more. I forget the model. Interested? If so, I can bring it next time we meet; mail me off list. Cheers Tom, Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091203/430bac04/attachment.htm From johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk Thu Dec 3 13:00:42 2009 From: johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk (Johnnie Ingram) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:00:42 +0000 Subject: USB Wi-fi recommendation In-Reply-To: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> References: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> Message-ID: <4B17A86A.10104@moviestorm.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 03/12/2009 11:47, Tom Ellis wrote: > Can anyone recommend a USB wifi stick that works with Linux? > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org I bought mine (Edimax 54 Mbps Wireless USB) from the excellent Linux Emporium. Their page at http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/wireless/ gives a good list of compatible devices (although, irritatingly, most of them seem to be out of stock right now). I've had that stick running flawlessly under Ubuntu, Debian and Puppy (as well as a handful of other distros that I installed, played with, didn't like, removed, and have now forgotten the identity of). AFAIK it doesn't play well with Fedora, though. Just read Sam's reply to your mail, which may make my recommendations redundant! Still sending this, for the benefit of other list members and archives. Johnnie - -- ___________________ Johnnie Ingram Product Manager Moviestorm Ltd ___________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAksXqF0ACgkQ4J4LFInQ/fOekwCdGlwz6vMgl+AWNa8dQ/nwtZrR +gwAn1HpZKcczWF4HTO0evaRdk3o00em =24JU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for your recommendation Johnnie. Tom From zen13321 at zen.co.uk Thu Dec 3 23:41:14 2009 From: zen13321 at zen.co.uk (Mark Roberts) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:41:14 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B183E8A.1080301@zen.co.uk> > I'm going to do this. > > Thanks Tom. I've added you to the wiki's Administrator and Bureaucrat > permission groups. Thanks Sam and Tom! That is in my opinion exactly what we need. The wiki look is even zeitgeisty :) __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Fri Dec 4 00:47:52 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 23:47:52 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> Dear all, Thanks to those who've sent kind words about the new wiki. Any questions/problems, drop me a line - although I hope it will take pretty good care of itself: it's set up quite defensively and should alert me to all edits, vandalism or otherwise. If I do spot someone trying to damage it I should be able to revert (and, if needed, protect) the affected pages speedily. All best, Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I suggest CC-BY-SA 3.0, same as Wikipedia. How does that sound? Tom and Wawrzyniec, as the only other people who've contributed to the wiki so far, would you both be willing to retroactively license your contributions under CC-BY-SA-3.0? Thanks again, Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091203/4161b112/attachment.htm From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Fri Dec 4 00:59:09 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:59:09 +0000 Subject: USB Wi-fi recommendation In-Reply-To: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> References: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> Message-ID: <4B1850CD.70106@mansfield.co.uk> Tom Ellis wrote: > Can anyone recommend a USB wifi stick that works with Linux? that's a tricky one since many of them change chipset without changing the model. however, ralink and zydas seem fairly popular and usually work well. what I would do is check the models sold in-store by PC World or Tesco, verify as best as possible online that it's linux compat, buy it and open the packaging very very carefully to try it out, and be prepared to take it back if it doesn't work and simply act like a dumb and confused customer! From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Dec 4 01:00:37 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:00:37 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:55:59PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > Incidentally, we should probably agree on a license to use for the content > on the new wiki. I suggest CC-BY-SA > 3.0, > same as Wikipedia. How does that sound? I feel if we need to think about licences for the wiki we're doing something wrong (i.e. there's too much import content on it that should be elsewhere) > Tom and Wawrzyniec, as the only other people who've contributed to the wiki > so far, would you both be willing to retroactively license your > contributions under CC-BY-SA-3.0? The above notwithstanding, I hereby release everything I've written on the wiki so far into the public domain. Tom From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Dec 4 01:01:44 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:01:44 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> References: <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> Message-ID: <20091204000144.GB23051@weber> On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:00:37AM +0000, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:55:59PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > > Incidentally, we should probably agree on a license to use for the content > > on the new wiki. I suggest CC-BY-SA > > 3.0, > > same as Wikipedia. How does that sound? > > I feel if we need to think about licences for the wiki we're doing something > wrong (i.e. there's too much import content on it that should be elsewhere) *importANT From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Fri Dec 4 01:17:12 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:17:12 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> References: <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450912031617p5c676440xb7ca825024051a3d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/4 Tom Ellis > On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:55:59PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > > Incidentally, we should probably agree on a license to use for the > content > > on the new wiki. I suggest CC-BY-SA > > 3.0, > > same as Wikipedia. How does that sound? > > I feel if we need to think about licences for the wiki we're doing > something > wrong (i.e. there's too much import[ant] content on it that should be > elsewhere) > > > Tom and Wawrzyniec, as the only other people who've contributed to the > wiki > > so far, would you both be willing to retroactively license your > > contributions under CC-BY-SA-3.0? > > The above notwithstanding, I hereby release everything I've written on the > wiki so far into the public domain. > Fair points. I tend to favour copyleft over PD* but I'd be happy with either for the CLUG wiki. Basically, I just want to put a license declaration in place that will let people use the wiki without the law of implicit copyright casting a shadow over their contributions. All being well, once the license is in place, we won't have to think or talk about it again, ever :) Sam *Here's a decent articulation of the reasons why: http://www.zedshaw.com/blog/2009-07-13.html . Admittedly, I doubt the CLUG wiki's going to produce anything quite as useful as Mongrel, which is why I'm not so fussed in this case :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091204/bd840488/attachment.htm From dom at latter.org Fri Dec 4 01:17:32 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:17:32 +0100 Subject: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <20091203031942.47DB0619@resin18.mta.everyone.net> References: <20091203031942.47DB0619@resin18.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <4B18551C.5020205@latter.org> Huw wrote: > Hi Dom Hi Huw! > I, too, have been having problems with Ubuntu 9.10 which seemingly nobody is able to help me with What gives? > Arch is one of the systems I've been looking at recently, along with Debian, Gentoo and FreeBSD (!). I've looked at FreeBSD again and come to the same conclusion again - it's a server OS. Gentoo - that way madness lies. Although if you have truly ancient hardware it's a good way of getting something useful out of it - for a long while I had an ancient Pentium/MMX laptop with IIRC 96 MB of RAM that did useful stuff as an X terminal and very occasionally as a standalone word processor and PHP dev box. But you end up fiddling with the OS rather than just using it. Debian - good choice for a server... never run it as a desktop OS. > However, going from what I recall, I think it was/is an excellent distro. This is encouraging, but it's a bit scary to go to a new distro with no available Live incarnation to try it out... part of the planned reinstall is to set up VirtualBox to allow me to try new distros out. Having said that, I could do that now and try Arch on a VM. BTW your line lengths are (in my mail client, Thunderbird) excessively long, which makes replying a matter of reformatting your text... Thanks for the feedback, Dom From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 01:18:05 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=C5=84ski?=) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:18:05 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> References: <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> Message-ID: 2009/12/4 Tom Ellis : > On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:55:59PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: [...] >> Tom and Wawrzyniec, as the only other people who've contributed to the wiki >> so far, would you both be willing to retroactively license your >> contributions under CC-BY-SA-3.0? > I agree. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Dec 4 01:19:29 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:19:29 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4126b3450912031617p5c676440xb7ca825024051a3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> <4126b3450912031617p5c676440xb7ca825024051a3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091204001929.GA24772@weber> On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:17:12AM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > Fair points. I tend to favour copyleft over PD* but I'd be happy with either > for the CLUG wiki. [...] > *Here's a decent articulation of the reasons why: > http://www.zedshaw.com/blog/2009-07-13.html . Admittedly, I doubt the CLUG > wiki's going to produce anything quite as useful as Mongrel, which is why > I'm not so fussed in this case :) I entirely agree. The reason I public domained is so that you can relicense under whatever licence you see fit! From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Fri Dec 4 01:44:06 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:44:06 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: References: <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450912031644m9cf5c73m2b2fbbb94f3100de@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/4 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski > 2009/12/4 Tom Ellis : > > On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:55:59PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > [...] > >> Tom and Wawrzyniec, as the only other people who've contributed to the > wiki > >> so far, would you both be willing to retroactively license your > >> contributions under CC-BY-SA-3.0? > > > I agree. > Thanks :) Done . Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091204/023787a4/attachment.htm From onepoint at starurchin.org Fri Dec 4 09:15:40 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 08:15:40 +0000 Subject: Recommendations wanted for lightweight, hackable blogging platform In-Reply-To: <4B178BD6.6050708@quintic.co.uk> References: <20091121123913.GE12282@omphalos.singularity> <4B178BD6.6050708@quintic.co.uk> Message-ID: <20091204081540.GB3285@omphalos.singularity> On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:58:46AM +0000, Marcus Williams wrote: > I found the following two great to work with, may or may not do what > you want out of the box: > Webby > http://github.com/TwP/webby > > Jekyll > http://github.com/mojombo/jekyll Thanks, I'll check them out. Cheers, Jeremy -- I will readily admit that I'd rather write a large application in C++ than in C, but that's like saying I'd rather eat rotting meat than swallow sulfuric acid ;-) -- Mike Vanier From clug at dziewulski.com Fri Dec 4 09:19:14 2009 From: clug at dziewulski.com (Janek) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:19:14 +0000 Subject: Mac files stored on Linux Message-ID: I have a query: How do Mac files work in terms of being stored on Linux? By that I am talking about Mac files having 2 forks (data fork and resource fork). Storing files on Linux used to (If my memory serves me right) truncate Mac files to being purely data forks which would for applications make them unusable. If they are stored perfectly happily on Linux, what is the best method to do the transfer? NFS, Samba, FTP, AFP? Hope someone has an idea - I have been reading conflicting information on the net :( -- Janek From magnus at therning.org Fri Dec 4 19:19:02 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:19:02 +0000 Subject: Mac files stored on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Janek wrote: > I have a query: > > How do Mac files work in terms of being stored on Linux? By that I am > talking about Mac files having 2 forks (data fork and resource fork). > Storing files on Linux used to (If my memory serves me right) truncate Mac > files to being purely data forks which would for applications make them > unusable. If they are stored perfectly happily on Linux, what is the best > method to do the transfer? NFS, Samba, FTP, AFP? > > Hope someone has an idea - I have been reading conflicting information on > the net :( Since there's no FS on Linux that supports forks, AFAIK at least, (or streams as I think they're called in NTFS) I'm not surprised that only one fork is kept. Do you really need to store the files as they are? There are solutions for storing Mac files on other systems: http://www.macdisk.com/macforken.php3 /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Dec 4 20:06:09 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:06:09 +0000 Subject: USB Wi-fi recommendation In-Reply-To: <4126b3450912030350p74a33323o2dc0cb3f0323b793@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> <4126b3450912030350p74a33323o2dc0cb3f0323b793@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091204190608.GA10542@weber> On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:50:30AM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > 2009/12/3 Tom Ellis > > Can anyone recommend a USB wifi stick that works with Linux? > > I have a Linux-compatible NetGear USB wifi stick I don't use any more. I > forget the model. Interested? If so, I can bring it next time we meet; mail > me off list. Dear Sam and all, The Netgear WG111v3 works natively with Linux now using the rtl8187 driver (kernel 2.6.31), so it was very easy to set up, i.e. I didn't really have to. Thanks Sam! Tom From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Dec 4 20:10:59 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:10:59 +0000 Subject: [OT] Plug converter, was: USB Wi-fi recommendation In-Reply-To: <20091204190608.GA10542@weber> References: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> <4126b3450912030350p74a33323o2dc0cb3f0323b793@mail.gmail.com> <20091204190608.GA10542@weber> Message-ID: <20091204191059.GA11046@weber> On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 07:06:09PM +0000, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:50:30AM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > > 2009/12/3 Tom Ellis > > > Can anyone recommend a USB wifi stick that works with Linux? > > > > I have a Linux-compatible NetGear USB wifi stick I don't use any more. I > > forget the model. Interested? If so, I can bring it next time we meet; mail > > me off list. > > The Netgear WG111v3 works natively with Linux now using the rtl8187 driver > (kernel 2.6.31), so it was very easy to set up, i.e. I didn't really have > to. The next question is, does anyone have a UK to European plug converter I can borrow for three weeks? :-) From clug at minimal.cx Fri Dec 4 21:38:14 2009 From: clug at minimal.cx (Ian Spray) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:38:14 +0000 Subject: Mac files stored on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Janek wrote: > I have a query: > > How do Mac files work in terms of being stored on Linux? By that I am > talking about Mac files having 2 forks (data fork and resource fork). > Storing files on Linux used to (If my memory serves me right) > truncate Mac > files to being purely data forks which would for applications make > them > unusable. If they are stored perfectly happily on Linux, what is the > best > method to do the transfer? NFS, Samba, FTP, AFP? > > Hope someone has an idea - I have been reading conflicting > information on > the net :( > It depends :) If you're running a recent-ish OS X (ie: 10.5 or 10.6 - and possibly a fully patched 10.4) then don't worry about it. Apple gave Mac OS much more understanding of any non-HFS+ filesystem (about the same time as Time capsule came out, if you're looking for the link) and so the Mac will create a silently .DS_Store directory on the non-HFS+ drive and throw any resource fork data in there. Just try looking at any camera flash card in Linux (or via the Mac command line) after a Finder window has been on it to see the stuff it leaves behind. I use CIFS from an Apple to OpenSolaris serving a ZFS volumes and get 50MB/s over Gigabit Ethernet and have no problems at all with broken files. If you're using OS 9, then install Netatalk on Linux, and that will let the server and handle the forks by creating AppleDouble entries on the Linux filesystem. HTH, -- Ian Spray GPG Fingerprint: D170 35A3 C858 6E85 9B5B 1557 4CD5 6F6F E176 2D0A From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Sat Dec 5 04:14:54 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 03:14:54 +0000 Subject: [OT] Plug converter, was: USB Wi-fi recommendation In-Reply-To: <20091204191059.GA11046@weber> References: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> <4126b3450912030350p74a33323o2dc0cb3f0323b793@mail.gmail.com> <20091204190608.GA10542@weber> <20091204191059.GA11046@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450912041914o2c67a1cbsf58f415109252a5b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/4 Tom Ellis > The next question is, does anyone have a UK to European plug converter I > can > borrow for three weeks? :-) > Yes. Maybe you should just email me first :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091206/0009a915/attachment.htm From alspnost at gmail.com Sun Dec 6 18:03:19 2009 From: alspnost at gmail.com (Alastair Stevens) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:03:19 +0000 Subject: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B18551C.5020205@latter.org> References: <20091203031942.47DB0619@resin18.mta.everyone.net> <4B18551C.5020205@latter.org> Message-ID: <4536e91b0912060903k576f5db1s9ba0034ceeee557c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/4 : > Huw wrote: >> Hi Dom > > Hi Huw! > >> I, too, have been having problems with Ubuntu 9.10 which seemingly nobody is able to help me with > > What gives? > >> Arch is one of the systems I've been looking at recently, along with Debian, Gentoo and FreeBSD (!). Stick to my trusty Ubuntu rule, which is never to run the x.10 releases. I've been fine on all of the x.04 releases, and I'm not going to upgrade any of my machines until 10.04 LTS arrives. On the Arch topic, I've got a good old geek friend who's used Linux for years, tried 'em all, and settled firmly on Arch. So that's a ringing endorsement in my book - and I really ought to look at it again myself! AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From dom at latter.org Sun Dec 6 21:01:19 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:01:19 +0100 Subject: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0912060903k576f5db1s9ba0034ceeee557c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091203031942.47DB0619@resin18.mta.everyone.net> <4B18551C.5020205@latter.org> <4536e91b0912060903k576f5db1s9ba0034ceeee557c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1C0D8F.8050505@latter.org> Alastair Stevens wrote: > Stick to my trusty Ubuntu rule, which is never to run the x.10 > releases. I've been fine on all of the x.04 releases, and I'm not > going to upgrade any of my machines until 10.04 LTS arrives. Yup, you've mentioned it before. Thing is I am really keen to get on to a later kernel version, as the Intel video driver sucketh in 9.04. I could try rolling my own again. > On the Arch topic, I've got a good old geek friend who's used Linux > for years, tried 'em all, and settled firmly on Arch. So that's a > ringing endorsement in my book - and I really ought to look at it > again myself! This is all good stuff. I may try it on the kitchen radio [1] first - which could probably do with a lighter-weight OS than Ub 9.10. [1] Thinkpad 600E From huw at synapticsilence.net Mon Dec 7 01:58:04 2009 From: huw at synapticsilence.net (huw) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:58:04 +0000 Subject: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. Message-ID: <1260147484.3133.11.camel@ubudesktop> Oops! My reply went straight to Dom, sorry about that. Here it is again... -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: huw > To: dom at latter.org > Subject: Re: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. > Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:56:40 +0000 > > On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 01:17 +0100, dom at latter.org wrote: > > > > > I, too, have been having problems with Ubuntu 9.10 which seemingly nobody is able to help me with > > > > What gives? > > Lots of little problems which have cropped up with 9.10, not least the > new GRUB which takes forever to do anything, but the straw that broke > the camel's back is huge interface lag. Whether I'm clicking a panel > launcher or a button within an app - say Evolution or Totem - the system > has to have a good think about it for a second or two before responding. > It all adds up and it's driving me mad. I'm really annoyed because > Ubuntu has always worked fine on this PC. Both upgrading from 9.04 and > using a fresh install of 9.10 result in the same issues. > > > I've looked at FreeBSD again and come to the same conclusion again - it's a server OS. > > Yeah, so I've heard many people say. What makes it a server OS as > opposed to a desktop OS for you, though? Myself, I'm just curious, and > my tastes in software are pretty conventional so I doubt I'd be forced > to live without anything I've gotten used to using in Linux. > > > Gentoo - that way madness lies. [...] But you end up fiddling with the OS rather than just using it. > > Sounds like fun! Again, just curiosity, and the above-mentioned issues > with Ubuntu 9.10; an OS which is customised for my particular PC sounds > like a good idea at this point. > > > Debian - good choice for a server... never run it as a desktop OS. > > I ran it as a desktop OS pre-2006 and it wasn't up to scratch, but > apparently it's great these days and I have a lot of respect for the > Debian team in general. I'm definitely willing to try it again. > > > BTW your line lengths are (in my mail client, Thunderbird) excessively long, which makes replying > > a matter of reformatting your text... > > Hmm. I'll have to look into that. My last post was from my Webmail > account because I was at work. This one's from Evolution; hopefully it > looks better. > > Huw From alastair at altrux.me.uk Tue Dec 8 20:54:07 2009 From: alastair at altrux.me.uk (Alastair Stevens) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:54:07 +0000 Subject: Backup media - time to move on from DVDs? Message-ID: <4536e91b0912081154i7cd25fdcm2c6976187db54689@mail.gmail.com> Hi Guys - some of you might remember my 'world famous' backup system (shout if you want a copy of the scripts), which has several main components: * Firstly, an rdiff-mirror copy of all my important partitions on an external hard drive, with 20+ day rollback capability * Secondly, a script that creates squashfs archives of said partitions, on a separate portion of the ext hard drive, which are then burned to rewritable DVDs weekly (or whenever I get around to it) * Thirdly, some areas (eg music collection, photo collection) get burned directly to DVDs, so they can be easily browsed elsewhere etc Now, this DVD thing is getting a little slow and old-fashioned, not to mention that I need more and more of them, especially used in multiple rotations. What should I be looking at instead? It struck me the other day, when acquiring a new camera with an 8GB SD card, that these little chips might be an, erm, cheap as chips solution - are there any downsides? I mean, a 16GB SDHC card can now be had for References: <4536e91b0912081154i7cd25fdcm2c6976187db54689@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091208195716.GA28998@weber> On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 07:54:07PM +0000, Alastair Stevens wrote: > Am I missing anything? Why not a small number of removeable hard disks, some proportion of which you store offsite? From alspnost at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 23:55:50 2009 From: alspnost at gmail.com (Alastair Stevens) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:55:50 +0000 Subject: Backup media - time to move on from DVDs? In-Reply-To: <20091208195716.GA28998@weber> References: <4536e91b0912081154i7cd25fdcm2c6976187db54689@mail.gmail.com> <20091208195716.GA28998@weber> Message-ID: <4536e91b0912081455pfa79afby2ab60c04af336ce1@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/8 Tom Ellis : > On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 07:54:07PM +0000, Alastair Stevens wrote: >> ?Am I missing anything? > > Why not a small number of removeable hard disks, some proportion of which > you store offsite? Seems like an expensive option - but perhaps a more reliable one. I guess one issue with memory cards is speed - what's a realistic write speed? I've just not really tested them in anger yet, but writing 10-15GB of data to one might take a while...? AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From paul at mansfield.co.uk Wed Dec 9 01:15:19 2009 From: paul at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:15:19 +0000 Subject: stolen items Message-ID: <4B1EEC17.4020000@mansfield.co.uk> we got burgled today. a fairly professional job. if CLUG members can keep an eye out for the following I'd be grateful * lenovo N100/3000 laptop with 2GB ram (I added that) and a crappy celeron processor. unusual combo. running WinXP * Sony Vaio TX2XP dual booting winXP and linux (Suse11) * Sharp Zaurus C3100 with Hawking ethernet CF adaptor - very unusual/rare pocket computer, very unlikely for there to be any knocking around second hand market in cambridge * a couple of Pure PocketDAB 2000 radios - unusual and sought after for being pocketable and have record/rewing. * an original xbox with xecuter mod chip - it flashes up xecuter when it starts up. if you come across anything, don't take any risks, take as many details as possible (write it down so as not to forget and it's much more credible as an eyewitness statement). if you see online or small ad, take a screen-shot please. the unusual thing is that they took all the mains cables and chargers, so they were pretty clued up, and yet there were other things they didn't take which might be more obviously valuable or of interest to true professionals. thanks very much Paul From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Wed Dec 9 01:15:58 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:15:58 +0000 Subject: stolen items Message-ID: <4B1EEC3E.4090802@mansfield.co.uk> we got burgled today. a fairly professional job. if CLUG members can keep an eye out for the following I'd be grateful * lenovo N100/3000 laptop with 2GB ram (I added that) and a crappy celeron processor. unusual combo. running WinXP * Sony Vaio TX2XP dual booting winXP and linux (Suse11) * Sharp Zaurus C3100 with Hawking ethernet CF adaptor - very unusual/rare pocket computer, very unlikely for there to be any knocking around second hand market in cambridge * a couple of Pure PocketDAB 2000 radios - unusual and sought after for being pocketable and have record/rewing. * an original xbox with xecuter mod chip - it flashes up xecuter when it starts up. if you come across anything, don't take any risks, take as many details as possible (write it down so as not to forget and it's much more credible as an eyewitness statement). if you see online or small ad, take a screen-shot please. the unusual thing is that they took all the mains cables and chargers, so they were pretty clued up, and yet there were other things they didn't take which might be more obviously valuable or of interest to true professionals. thanks very much Paul From colinj at mx5.org.uk Wed Dec 9 20:23:20 2009 From: colinj at mx5.org.uk (colin johnston) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:23:20 +0000 Subject: stolen items In-Reply-To: <4B1EEC3E.4090802@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4B1EEC3E.4090802@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <6379FC44-0FE7-46B7-9EB0-58F00B782ED8@mx5.org.uk> hi Paul, i sure you thought of this. check pop3/imap logs for automatic connections from those machines. trace with ripe etc. check ftp connection logs for auto files updating etc. did you have any phone home software installed ? Colin On 9 Dec 2009, at 00:15, Paul wrote: > > we got burgled today. a fairly professional job. if CLUG members can > keep an eye out for the following I'd be grateful > > * lenovo N100/3000 laptop with 2GB ram (I added that) and a crappy > celeron processor. unusual combo. running WinXP > > * Sony Vaio TX2XP dual booting winXP and linux (Suse11) > > * Sharp Zaurus C3100 with Hawking ethernet CF adaptor - very > unusual/rare pocket computer, very unlikely for there to be any knocking > around second hand market in cambridge > > * a couple of Pure PocketDAB 2000 radios - unusual and sought after for > being pocketable and have record/rewing. > > * an original xbox with xecuter mod chip - it flashes up xecuter when it > starts up. > > if you come across anything, don't take any risks, take as many details > as possible (write it down so as not to forget and it's much more > credible as an eyewitness statement). if you see online or small ad, > take a screen-shot please. > > the unusual thing is that they took all the mains cables and chargers, > so they were pretty clued up, and yet there were other things they > didn't take which might be more obviously valuable or of interest to > true professionals. > > > > thanks very much > Paul > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From luke at blog-thing.com Thu Dec 10 03:39:23 2009 From: luke at blog-thing.com (Luke) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:39:23 +0000 Subject: An idea Message-ID: <17aa29670912091839n5078eee2ld0f4f03e0ee7d467@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, Me and a friend have come up with what could be an interesting idea. Basically a hosting service, but users get to customise their own package instead of buying preset plans. It's comparable to a system like one found on the Dell website where you can get a computer and then customise it, choosing to add more RAM or get a bigger hard drive, except with hosting. A basic account would come with a user account, a certain amount of disk space, a RAM quota (and some burstable) on a server, which provides ssh and ftp access. This would come at a flat rate per-month. The user could then configure this to add things like web hosting, extra RAM, access to vnc and other software/features to this account for an extra amount added onto the monthly rate. I think that this would be useful for people that just want a shell account on the net for various reasons, as well as people that want to run an SVN repository or other piece of software without having to buy a full blown server. It means that people are only paying for what they will use (within reasonable bounds, this would have to be engineered so a profit is still made), and since people aren't reserving resources they won't use, we can sell them. So what do you think of this idea? Obviously this will cost a fair amount of money to start up, purchasing an initial server will cost a lot of money and it will have to be plugged into a co-location place, but perhaps it could still be a sucessful endeavour? Do you have any suggestions? Would you consider using a service like this? Thanks, -- Luke Slater :O) this text is protected by international copyright. it is illegal for anybody apart from the recipient to keep a copy of this text. dieser text wird von internationalem urheberrecht geschuetzt. allen ausser dem/der empfaenger/-in ist untersagt, eine kopie dieses textes zu behalten. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091210/dbd759f2/attachment.htm From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Thu Dec 10 03:44:08 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:44:08 +0000 Subject: An idea In-Reply-To: <17aa29670912091839n5078eee2ld0f4f03e0ee7d467@mail.gmail.com> References: <17aa29670912091839n5078eee2ld0f4f03e0ee7d467@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450912091844s37e1b162q1a592753784b06ca@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/10 Luke > Me and a friend have come up with what could be an interesting idea. > Basically a hosting service, but users get to customise their own package > instead of buying preset plans. > > It's comparable to a system like one found on the Dell website where you > can get a computer and then customise it, choosing to add more RAM or get a > bigger hard drive, except with hosting. > > A basic account would come with a user account, a certain amount of disk > space, a RAM quota (and some burstable) on a server, which provides ssh and > ftp access. This would come at a flat rate per-month. The user could then > configure this to add things like web hosting, extra RAM, access to vnc and > other software/features to this account for an extra amount added onto the > monthly rate. > Is this different to what most VPS hosting providers (and some shared hosting providers) offer? I think you might find you face quite stiff competition from Slicehost, Webfaction and about a million other companies. Let me know if I've got the wrong end of the stick, though! Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091210/1ac4cd23/attachment.htm From paul at mansfield.co.uk Thu Dec 10 18:24:49 2009 From: paul at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:24:49 +0000 Subject: An idea In-Reply-To: <17aa29670912091839n5078eee2ld0f4f03e0ee7d467@mail.gmail.com> References: <17aa29670912091839n5078eee2ld0f4f03e0ee7d467@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B212EE1.7070908@mansfield.co.uk> sorry to shoot you down in flames, but there's so much competition in this space offering virtual machines and dedicated servers, that you'd have to have pretty deep pockets to get set up and have the economy of scale to make it work, and even then it'd pretty marginal. you'd be better buying a high spec but quiet PC to host your own apps, your own UPS, getting Virgin/NTL cable business plan or an ADSL MAX Premium service; you'd need a proper firewall to control traffic not some simple domestic modem/router. From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Thu Dec 10 18:25:38 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:25:38 +0000 Subject: An idea In-Reply-To: <4B212EE1.7070908@mansfield.co.uk> References: <17aa29670912091839n5078eee2ld0f4f03e0ee7d467@mail.gmail.com> <4B212EE1.7070908@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B212F12.8030803@mansfield.co.uk> sorry to shoot you down in flames, but there's so much competition in this space offering virtual machines and dedicated servers, that you'd have to have pretty deep pockets to get set up and have the economy of scale to make it work, and even then it'd pretty marginal. you'd be better buying a high spec but quiet PC to host your own apps, your own UPS, getting Virgin/NTL cable business plan or an ADSL MAX Premium service; you'd need a proper firewall to control traffic not some simple domestic modem/router. From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Thu Dec 10 18:49:55 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:49:55 +0000 Subject: Backup media - time to move on from DVDs? In-Reply-To: <20091208195716.GA28998@weber> References: <4536e91b0912081154i7cd25fdcm2c6976187db54689@mail.gmail.com> <20091208195716.GA28998@weber> Message-ID: <4B2134C3.5030300@mansfield.co.uk> On 08/12/09 19:57, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 07:54:07PM +0000, Alastair Stevens wrote: >> Am I missing anything? > > Why not a small number of removeable hard disks, some proportion of which > you store offsite? having just been burgled and counting myself lucky they didn't take the file server and the NAS containing its backups, I'd definitely recommend a combination of putting a NAS in a different room for daily routine backups and an offsite backup system that's convenient and automated! From alspnost at gmail.com Thu Dec 10 21:02:54 2009 From: alspnost at gmail.com (Alastair Stevens) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:02:54 +0000 Subject: Backup media - time to move on from DVDs? In-Reply-To: <4B2134C3.5030300@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4536e91b0912081154i7cd25fdcm2c6976187db54689@mail.gmail.com> <20091208195716.GA28998@weber> <4B2134C3.5030300@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4536e91b0912101202s5c0550b3o3ad3c10ab911cdd6@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/10 Paul M : > having just been burgled and counting myself lucky they didn't take the > file server and the NAS containing its backups, I'd definitely recommend > a combination of putting a NAS in a different room for daily routine > backups and an offsite backup system that's convenient and automated! Sorry to hear the news Paul, sounds awful. Yep, I keep the ext hard drive at home and do a basic offsite thing with the DVDs (in my office drawers 9 miles away, which should cover most individual meteorite hits), but I'm just looking for something more convenient - and indeed, more automated. Right now, a rotated 16GB SD card and an overnight cron job seems appealing, as opposed to shuffling multiple DVDs about.... AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Mon Dec 14 18:58:41 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:58:41 +0000 Subject: free to a good home - computer clearout Message-ID: <4B267CD1.4030900@mansfield.co.uk> I've decided to have a clearout*, and have the following items to give away, they were from a working PC (I needed the case) motherboard K7S5A processor AMD Duron 1.1GHz? 1.2GHz? Sound card Vortex sound card PCI network realtek 10/100 video nvidia GeForce2 with TV out - S and Comp ideal for someone making some sort of media playing computer if your TV has an S-Video input as it looks fairly sharp. I have some small IDE drives too, just about enough to install linux if you're desperate. Next up will be a couple of complete Intel Pentium III systems that I no longer need but have to be sanitised. collect from Hardwick evenings/weekends or Cambridge Science Park weekdays. also prepared to meet in a pub for a quick beer after work. Paul * after the burglary I realised I have far more many spare parts than I'll ever need, and the wife's complaints are finally getting through :-( From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Mon Dec 21 12:00:10 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:00:10 +0000 Subject: free to a good home - computer clearout In-Reply-To: <4B267CD1.4030900@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4B267CD1.4030900@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B2F553A.5050705@mansfield.co.uk> nobody? free motherboard with CPU and ram, sound card, agp video card, network card? surely there's someone out there who can make a useful box? On 14/12/09 17:58, Paul M wrote: > > I've decided to have a clearout*, and have the following items to give > away, they were from a working PC (I needed the case) > > motherboard K7S5A > processor AMD Duron 1.1GHz? 1.2GHz? > Sound card Vortex sound card > PCI network realtek 10/100 > video nvidia GeForce2 with TV out - S and Comp > From alastair at altrux.me.uk Thu Dec 24 00:21:46 2009 From: alastair at altrux.me.uk (Alastair Stevens) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:21:46 +0000 Subject: Chrome ignores /etc/hosts? Message-ID: <4536e91b0912231521r6905477cw7c5c5956f615cb7e@mail.gmail.com> Hi Guys - has anyone else had trouble with Google Chrome ignoring ad blocking? I've done the /etc/hosts thing on my netbook (don't want to run a whole local DNS server on here), and the blocking works perfectly in Firefox 3.0/3.5. But Google Chrome ignores it and finds all the ad sites anyway. How can I dissuade it? Cheers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From wolfgangs at manticoreit.com Mon Dec 28 17:20:07 2009 From: wolfgangs at manticoreit.com (Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:20:07 +0000 Subject: Help, please? Message-ID: <1262017207.4236.12.camel@wolfgang> Hi all, I am a bit stuck with a problem, and I am wondering whether I could call on the group for some help? I have a HP Netserve 2000R, with 2 x 1133MHz Intel P3 CPUs, 2.5GB of RAM and 3 x 36GB SCSI drives in RAID5, run by the internal HP NetRAID card of the server. I bought the box about 3 years ago and it has given me excellent service over the years. In fact, the last reboot was almost 1000 days ago. I use this server mostly to host a few websites, mostly Drupal or WordPress based, plus the associated MySQL databases. And it also runs my live LATRIX site and a demo site. A few days ago it started giving me headaches. I first noticed that the web sites seemed down. So I ssh into the box, and want to restart apache. Wouldn't work. I had to kill all sorts of seemingly weird other processes before I could get that to work. The next day I noticed that my remote shells all took terribly long to respond to any command, or rather, the command output was produced as usual, but the prompt would only reappear minutes later. So I thought, OK, over Christmas I'll do a major upgrade and cleanup. Well, Fortuna cought me out. On 22/12, the sites were down again, and I decided to reboot the server (remotely, it is hosted in a proper hosting center) and it did not come back up. I have since taken the box home, and now the really weird stuff starts: I put a Knoppix CD in (5.0.1), the box boots, the KDE comes up and I can do all sorts of things. I have network access, I can browse the web. All fine. So I start working on the recovery of my data, and as soon as I do anything with any of those partitions, sooner or later the server hangs. Completely, totally. No keyboard, no mouse, no network, dead. Reboot. Memory test, comes up 100% fine. Hard drive consistency check, 100% fine. Reboot. Same again. So far I figured out that some of the superblocks in the partitions are damaged, but that's not a big issue, I can rebuild them from the backup superblocks. And my /etc/ folder in the root partition is now a file (I wonder how that happened, really), but a) I can probably fix it and b) there wasn't anything in /etc/ that couldn't be rebuilt from scratch. I've got backups of most of the stuff on the box. However I would a) really like to figure out what's wrong here and b) try and recover some of the stuff that wasn't included in the backups. Would save me a lot of time. So, if anyone could venture any guesses or point me in any useful direction, I would really appreciate any help I can get right now. cheers Wolfgang From onepoint at starurchin.org Wed Dec 30 07:54:27 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:54:27 +0000 Subject: Q: HOWTO: identify the exact make of my monitor Message-ID: <20091230065427.GA3516@omphalos.singularity> Firstly, hope you had a good Christma-Hanu-Rama-Ka-Dona-Kwanzaa[1]. I have a Gateway2000 Vivitron 17" monitor and I want to know the exact make (so I can check the scan frequencies). But I don't have any docs (I got it from Freecycle) and Google turns up specs for multiple different Gateway2000 Vivitron monitors. How do I know which is the right one? Any monitor gurus around? (ObLinuxConnection: I see occasional instabilities using this thing under X Windows and I suspect that the Xorg server is pushing it near or outside its supported frequency range. If I can find out the correct frequencies I can hack xorg.conf and see if it helps.) Cheers, and thanks in advance, Jeremy Henty [1]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRkdErudb_8 From zen13321 at zen.co.uk Wed Dec 2 09:12:28 2009 From: zen13321 at zen.co.uk (Mark Roberts) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:12:28 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> Hi, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: >> I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe >> Czucha's wiki. > > There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: > > http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/index.php/Index.php May I ask, what is going on if anything with the site? I see the wiki is now just a massive pile of spam and vandalism - does that prove the wiki model doesn't work for us after all (lack of critical mass in the oversight department) or are we continuing with it? I just got an email enquiry asking where our web site is and finding this wiki caused me to log in to my shell account on the cambridge-lug.org server to try to piece together what ought to be on the site. I have a backup of the site from 2002! But the shell tools for getting the code from CVS and promoting changes to the live site seem to be missing. Realistically, if the redirect was taken off, would we be back to having a really old looking web site that did at least contain the most important information, namely: 1) How to join this list 2) Where and when we meet ? Also, did anyone manage to get in touch with Joseph Birr-Pixton? I may have a bit more time/motivation to do some work on the site now, so any thoughts? Best regards, Mark. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4653 (20091201) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From dom at latter.org Wed Dec 2 12:25:27 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:25:27 +0100 Subject: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. Message-ID: <4B164EA7.9030906@latter.org> [never appeared, first time round, 27/11/09] Anyone using Arch? I've been using Ubuntu for a few years [0] but I've just tried using the live version of 9.10 and if I boot the laptop with the big external display attached, I get an utterly unusable flickering console. FWIW I've installed Ubuntu 9.10 on the "kitchen radio" [1] laptop which is just about minimum spec and it works reasonably well. I've switched from Gnome to LXDE on that machine to conserve RAM. Only weirdness was that it would not install properly if I made my /boot partition an ext2 filesystem. Worked fine with ext4. So I'm thinking of dumping Ubuntu - I've been waiting for it because the 9.04 kernel has a bug in the intel video driver that makes video performance suck the big one... and it appears it's still buggy. Besides, the requirements of Ubuntu do creep up and the laptop's not getting any faster. So I'm currently looking at Arch and Frugalware, both of which claim to be lightweight and for the experienced Linux user. Anyone used either of these? [0] Mandrake before that; and before that on the work fileserver, SuSE, and before that I think it was Red Hat on a 486SX/33... [1] Main job is, indeed, living in the kitchen and providing me with Radio 4. From gareth.pullen at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 21:17:56 2009 From: gareth.pullen at gmail.com (Gareth Pullen) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:17:56 +0000 Subject: Ping! In-Reply-To: <4B12478B.6070906@latter.org> References: <4B12478B.6070906@latter.org> Message-ID: Well, I've just had a fair few CLUG emails suddenly pop into my Inbox, so I'd say it wasn't on... Hopefully this means it is now. Apologies to Dom for (hopefully) sending this to him twice, but it should mean we can tell if it's working again... Gareth. On 2 Dec 2009 20:08, "Dom Latter" wrote: Is this thing on? A recent post neither appeared nor was bounced. _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug at cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091202/80d024a2/attachment.htm From flego.federico at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 20:35:31 2009 From: flego.federico at gmail.com (Federico Flego) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:35:31 +0100 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> Hi there, I've being using Archlinux on a Dell inspiron 5150 (Pentium 4 3.06 GHz, 1Gb RAM) for a few years. It is very similar to Slackware with a 'user friendly' software install manager. The main philosophy is it installs basic (really basic) software, than you add what you want. In my opinion, when you want to run Linux on old machines, the largest gain is to run a light window manager (I use xfce, heavier than lxde)). Changing distribution will give smaller gains in comparison. Archlinux actually provides you these smaller gains too, since it doesn't install and keep running, as several distributions do by default, all possible demons and other little programs that constantly check everything... If you need some of these applications, as for example a battery daemon for your laptop, you need to explicitly install them. You could achieve the same result de-installing/turning off a lot of unwanted stuff on other distributions. I prefer to start from little and add on :) Hope it helps somehow... Cheers, Ico. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. (dom at latter.org) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. > From: > dom at latter.org > Date: > Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:15:56 +0100 > To: > clug at cambridge-lug.org > > To: > clug at cambridge-lug.org > > > Anyone using Arch? > > I've been using Ubuntu for a few years [0] but I've just tried using the > live version > of 9.10 and if I boot the laptop with the big external display attached, > I get an > utterly unusable flickering console. > > FWIW I've installed Ubuntu 9.10 on the "kitchen radio" [1] laptop which > is just > about minimum spec and it works reasonably well. I've switched from > Gnome to LXDE > on that machine to conserve RAM. Only weirdness was that it would not > install properly > if I made my /boot partition an ext2 filesystem. Worked fine with ext4. > > So I'm thinking of dumping Ubuntu - I've been waiting for it because the > 9.04 kernel > has a bug in the intel video driver that makes video performance suck > the big one... > and it appears it's still buggy. > > Besides, the requirements of Ubuntu do creep up and the laptop's not > getting any > faster. So I'm currently looking at Arch and Frugalware, both of which > claim > to be lightweight and for the experienced Linux user. > > Anyone used either of these? > > [0] Mandrake before that; and before that on the work fileserver, SuSE, > and before > that I think it was Red Hat on a 486SX/33... > [1] Main job is, indeed, living in the kitchen and providing me with > Radio 4. > > From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Wed Dec 2 22:10:19 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:10:19 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/2 Mark Roberts > Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > >> I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe > >> Czucha's wiki. > > > > There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: > > > > http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/index.php/Index.php > > May I ask, what is going on if anything with the site? I see the wiki is > now just a massive pile of spam and vandalism - does that prove the wiki > model doesn't work for us after all (lack of critical mass in the > oversight department) I don't think it proves it. It has proved that for the wiki model to work, the wiki needs to be set up with the sort of anti-spam measures I've suggested previously on this list. > or are we continuing with it? I, for one, would be happy to continue with a wiki, but probably not that wiki, since: - as you pointed out, it's full of spam; - it seems to have no anti-spam features enabled; - Joe hasn't been seen on this list for a while and in any case hasn't provided us with a spam-free wiki. If anyone else agrees with me and would be happy for me to maintain the wiki, then could Mark or Drew please set CLUG's domain to redirect to http://clug.sampablokuper.com ? I'd be happy to maintain it indefinitely. Ta, Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091202/306e058a/attachment-0002.htm From dom at latter.org Wed Dec 2 22:38:50 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:38:50 +0100 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> References: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16DE6A.5050500@latter.org> Federico Flego wrote: > Hope it helps somehow... Yes, in that at least one person I "know" is actually using Arch! There's a lot to be said for "add what you need" - I've flirted with Gentoo in the past but then of course you end up obsessed with optimising everything to the nth degree instead of getting on with actually *using* the system. I may give Arch a go but the worry is that with non-generic hardware (in other words a laptop) I'd end up spending too much time trying to get things working that with a well-known distro like Ubuntu, well, at least you can search the forums and find someone else that has been there already. From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Wed Dec 2 22:39:23 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:39:23 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16DE8B.5000804@mansfield.co.uk> I'm going to play devil's advocate here, to try and provoke people out of their apathy! I think the clug website should be replaced with a static page simply referencing the mailing list, and a set of links to member's home pages/blogs called maybe "planet clug". the links should be removed if the references website doesn't get updated for, say, 6 months? I still think the CLUG performs a useful service, really as a geek social focus, rather than as a technical resource. A lot has happened in the years since it was created, making linux far less of a minority interest, it's now pretty easy to install and maintain for newbies, and for experts there are many excellent linux resources out there. From faemir at faemir.co.uk Wed Dec 2 22:42:21 2009 From: faemir at faemir.co.uk (Daniel Cohen) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:42:21 +0000 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> References: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16DF3D.8000605@faemir.co.uk> I'll second this. Arch Linux was the distro that finally stopped me from hopping. The best package manager ever, a great community with exceptional helpful irc *glares at ubuntu* and a plethora of packages, not to mention all the user made packages in one central place (it's really easy to make your own too). I almost forgot the wiki - like the gentoo one, it's so helpful in everything, and gives you simple step-by-step instructions for all your exotic hardware needs, though most of the time it's not needed - my eeepc worked out of the box :) On 02/12/2009 19:35, Federico Flego wrote: > Hi there, > > I've being using Archlinux on a Dell inspiron 5150 (Pentium 4 3.06 GHz, > 1Gb RAM) for a few years. It is very similar to Slackware with a 'user > friendly' software install manager. > The main philosophy is it installs basic (really basic) software, than > you add what you want. > > In my opinion, when you want to run Linux on old machines, the largest > gain is to run a light window manager (I use xfce, heavier than lxde)). > Changing distribution will give smaller gains in comparison. > > Archlinux actually provides you these smaller gains too, since it > doesn't install and keep running, as several distributions do by > default, all possible demons and other little programs that constantly > check everything... > > If you need some of these applications, as for example a battery daemon > for your laptop, you need to explicitly install them. You could achieve > the same result de-installing/turning off a lot of unwanted stuff on > other distributions. I prefer to start from little and add on :) > > Hope it helps somehow... > > Cheers, > > Ico. > From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 23:07:47 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:07:47 +0000 Subject: List problems Message-ID: <126d63860912021407s3f53fc42y760383818c7ca0a3@mail.gmail.com> Hi I have just received the last months worth of mails from the list.... I thought it had been a bit quiet. Anyone know anything about why this might have happened? -- Drew Fitzsimmons From zen13321 at zen.co.uk Wed Dec 2 23:33:38 2009 From: zen13321 at zen.co.uk (Mark Roberts) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:33:38 +0000 Subject: List problems In-Reply-To: <126d63860912021407s3f53fc42y760383818c7ca0a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860912021407s3f53fc42y760383818c7ca0a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16EB42.7050800@zen.co.uk> Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > Hi I have just received the last months worth of mails from the > list.... I thought it had been a bit quiet. > > Anyone know anything about why this might have happened? I hadn't seen any traffic since late October, but thought it was just quiet. Then tonight when I didn't even get back my own message (of this morning), I asked Thomas if something was up with the server, and he fixed something :) So based on your comment, I'm not the only one that wasn't getting mail - but some people must have been, unless the new mode is to send mail then look for replies on the web archive? In future I'm going to keep an eye on the archive if it goes quiet: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/ Best regards, Mark. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4656 (20091202) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From flego.federico at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 23:00:26 2009 From: flego.federico at gmail.com (Federico Flego) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:00:26 +0100 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B16E37A.205@gmail.com> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. > From: > dom at latter.org > Date: > Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:38:50 +0100 > To: > Cambridge LUG > > To: > Cambridge LUG > > > Federico Flego wrote: > > > >> Hope it helps somehow... > > Yes, in that at least one person I "know" is actually using Arch! > > There's a lot to be said for "add what you need" - I've flirted with > Gentoo in the past but then of course you end up obsessed with optimising > everything to the nth degree instead of getting on with actually *using* > the system. > > I may give Arch a go but the worry is that with non-generic hardware (in > other words a laptop) I'd end up spending too much time trying to get > things working that with a well-known distro like Ubuntu, well, at least > you can search the forums and find someone else that has been there > already. > Yes, I know, 'what you need' is very relative! I've used slackware, gentoo, red-hat, suse, and know I'm happy with arch! Personally I'm strongly biased toward fast, light and simple. The cons are sometimes you need to spend time to 'know' your system a little bit more... Therefore special effects are banned :) and I want my hardware to last 10 years, not 3 just because each time a new OS is on the market, it requires 10 times more power just to handle new special effects. That's my view, of course... beauty it's a value and someone may need it on her/his computer :) Regarding the hardware compatibility, most of the drivers are in the kernel, especially for old machines. Although not all distributions are sync with the latest kernel version, you probably don't need it. The problem, maybe, is whether your hardware (although existing for many years) has yet been supported. For this you can have a look at: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ http://www.linux.org/hardware/laptop.html Cheers, Ico. From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Thu Dec 3 00:35:33 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:35:33 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4B16DE8B.5000804@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <4B16DE8B.5000804@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4126b3450912021535y7e5c2444o11cd12cd588c0a89@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/2 Paul > > I'm going to play devil's advocate here, to try and provoke people out > of their apathy! > > I think the clug website should be replaced with a static page simply > referencing the mailing list, and a set of links to member's home > pages/blogs called maybe "planet clug". the links should be removed if > the references website doesn't get updated for, say, 6 months? > A bit like this ? In my experience, spam-protected wikis stay static pretty reliably in the absence of active users. The benefit of a wiki, of course, is that if there *are* any active, constructive users, they can just update the pages instead of having to email the list for months trying to work out who has the keys to the server. Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091202/45613387/attachment-0002.htm From dom at latter.org Thu Dec 3 00:43:58 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:43:58 +0100 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B16E37A.205@gmail.com> References: <4B16E37A.205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16FBBE.8090500@latter.org> Federico Flego wrote: > Personally I'm strongly biased toward fast, light and simple. Completely, avoiding bloat is why a lot of us end up here! > The cons are sometimes you need to spend time to 'know' your system a > little bit more... Therefore special effects are banned :) and I want my > hardware to last 10 years, not 3 just because each time a new OS is on I think my oldest "running" computer - the "kitchen radio" is about ten years old. > Regarding the hardware compatibility, most of the drivers are in the > kernel, especially for old machines. Although not all distributions are > sync with the latest kernel version, you probably don't need it. The For old laptops using the intel video driver, this has been a *major* issue. From dom at latter.org Thu Dec 3 01:15:47 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:15:47 +0100 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B16DF3D.8000605@faemir.co.uk> References: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> <4B16DF3D.8000605@faemir.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B170333.7070307@latter.org> Daniel Cohen wrote: > I'll second this. Arch Linux was the distro that finally stopped me from > hopping. The best package manager ever, a great community with > exceptional helpful irc *glares at ubuntu* and a plethora of packages, > not to mention all the user made packages in one central place (it's > really easy to make your own too). I don't really "get" IRC - I like the considered responses you get from mailing lists and Usenet, and the easy-to-search archives of the Ubuntu forums are a big plus point /there/ - but this (i.e. your reply) is very encouraging (along with Federico's replies). IOW if *nobody* on CLUG (probably not a very big sample of Linux users, but probably a very clued-up sample) was using it, I don't think I'd go further. I'm now downloading some ISOs. Ideally I will be able to do what I've been doing with Ubuntu ISOs - extract the kernel and initrd to disk, to provide a boot environment which then mounts the ISO from a USB stick from the rest. I don't trust my CD burner these days... From faemir at faemir.co.uk Thu Dec 3 01:38:52 2009 From: faemir at faemir.co.uk (Daniel Cohen) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:38:52 +0000 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B170333.7070307@latter.org> References: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> <4B16DF3D.8000605@faemir.co.uk> <4B170333.7070307@latter.org> Message-ID: <4B17089C.6060002@faemir.co.uk> Arch Linux provides usb .img files so you can straight away install without any CDs. Also I would recommend the netinstall - it's slightly less bandwidth (because you dont download the iso with old packages then update to the new ones) and you feel like you waste less of the server bandwidth because you start with the absolute latest packages. And it's novel ;) But there is a great forum too, though I don't know about the mailing lists. For me the wiki solves almost all of my enquiries, and then any problem I have are either detailed later in the article, or I pop on IRC, and the people there are incredibly friendly. Normally. You occasionally get responses like: how do I get subtitles in mplayer? man mplayer lol. But that may be because I'm on there all the time and should stop asking so many noob questions... (and mrelendig is on irc 24/7 I swear, and responds to nearly every query in useful ways, not to knock him) I guess the bottom line is... I find that Arch has a /better/ community than ubuntu. As long as you can follow step-by-step instructions it's not 'harder' - it just takes more setup time at the start. Hell, it takes less time later on because you don't get 6 monthly updates that can break your system. Also, because there is a small userbase, and a much larger percentage are very knowledgable in linux, it means you can access the information you want much quicker, and worst comes to worst you adapt some walkthrough for ubuntu for arch. Some things are even simpler than in ubuntu - want codec and dvd support? pacman -S codecs libdvdcss (okay yes codecs are now easy in ubuntu but libdvdcss still requires medibuntu) Sorry for the wall of text. > Daniel Cohen wrote: > >> I'll second this. Arch Linux was the distro that finally stopped me from >> hopping. The best package manager ever, a great community with >> exceptional helpful irc *glares at ubuntu* and a plethora of packages, >> not to mention all the user made packages in one central place (it's >> really easy to make your own too). >> > I don't really "get" IRC - I like the considered responses you get from > mailing lists and Usenet, and the easy-to-search archives of the Ubuntu > forums are a big plus point /there/ - but this (i.e. your reply) is very > encouraging (along with Federico's replies). IOW if *nobody* on CLUG > (probably not a very big sample of Linux users, but probably a very > clued-up sample) was using it, I don't think I'd go further. > > I'm now downloading some ISOs. Ideally I will be able to do what I've > been doing with Ubuntu ISOs - extract the kernel and initrd to disk, > to provide a boot environment which then mounts the ISO from a USB > stick from the rest. I don't trust my CD burner these days... > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From dom at latter.org Thu Dec 3 02:05:14 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:05:14 +0100 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B17089C.6060002@faemir.co.uk> References: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> <4B16DF3D.8000605@faemir.co.uk> <4B170333.7070307@latter.org> <4B17089C.6060002@faemir.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B170ECA.4000200@latter.org> Daniel Cohen wrote: > Arch Linux provides usb .img files so you can straight away install > without any CDs. This ol' machine doesn't boot from USB! > can break your system. Also, because there is a small userbase, and a > much larger percentage are very knowledgable in linux, it means you can > access the information you want much quicker, Sounds good. > Sorry for the wall of text. All helpful. From marcus at quintic.co.uk Thu Dec 3 10:58:46 2009 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:58:46 +0000 Subject: Recommendations wanted for lightweight, hackable blogging platform In-Reply-To: <20091121123913.GE12282@omphalos.singularity> References: <20091121123913.GE12282@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <4B178BD6.6050708@quintic.co.uk> Jeremy Henty wrote: > I'd prefer it to be database agnostic and written in Ruby, but neither > of those is mandatory. I have root on my own virtual host, so there > are no restrictions on what I can do to install it. Any tips? I found the following two great to work with, may or may not do what you want out of the box: Webby http://github.com/TwP/webby Jekyll http://github.com/mojombo/jekyll Both of them seem to have a bit of a following on github so you can pick up from where other people have hacked sites together as a lot of people publish their webby/jekyll code through github. Both are ruby projects and end up generating static content which is nice and fast. Both integrate well with a source control system. If you dont want to write your own commenting system there are examples of linking up to something like Disqus (http://disqus.com ). HTH Marcus From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Thu Dec 3 11:18:55 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:18:55 +0000 Subject: List problems In-Reply-To: <126d63860912021407s3f53fc42y760383818c7ca0a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860912021407s3f53fc42y760383818c7ca0a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091203101855.GA3248@weber> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 10:07:47PM +0000, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > Hi I have just received the last months worth of mails from the > list.... I thought it had been a bit quiet. Woah! Yup, same for me. From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Thu Dec 3 11:20:15 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:20:15 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:10:19PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > - Joe hasn't been seen on this list for a while and in any case hasn't > provided us with a spam-free wiki. That's the major problem. > If anyone else agrees with me and would be happy for me to maintain the > wiki, then could Mark or Drew please set CLUG's domain to redirect to > http://clug.sampablokuper.com ? I'd be happy to maintain it indefinitely. I'm going to do this. From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Thu Dec 3 11:26:17 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:26:17 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <20091203102617.GC3248@weber> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 08:12:28AM +0000, Mark Roberts wrote: > May I ask, what is going on if anything with the site? I see the wiki is > now just a massive pile of spam and vandalism - does that prove the wiki > model doesn't work for us after all (lack of critical mass in the > oversight department) or are we continuing with it? I was pretty much the only person doing oversight, and I got bored of deleting ten spam edits a day. I've emailed Joe several times to lock down edits, but he hasn't responded. Tom From huw at synapticsilence.net Thu Dec 3 12:19:42 2009 From: huw at synapticsilence.net (Huw) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:19:42 -0800 Subject: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. Message-ID: <20091203031942.47DB0619@resin18.mta.everyone.net> Hi Dom (In fact, hi everyone - long time lurker, first time poster here) I, too, have been having problems with Ubuntu 9.10 which seemingly nobody is able to help me with so I am also going to dump it. A pity; I joined the Ubuntu community at 6.06 and have been blissfully happy with it until now. Arch is one of the systems I've been looking at recently, along with Debian, Gentoo and FreeBSD (!). I used Arch quite a way back now...well, it would have been before settling on Ubuntu 6.06 so early 2006 at the latest, and no doubt it's changed since then. However, going from what I recall, I think it was/is an excellent distro. It is remarkably lightweight; you literally install only what you need. The standard install, at least when I tried it, put a tiny base system on your PC and you had to specify which kernel modules you needed, etc. I gather it's slightly more automated today. Oh, and it's based on System V too. One of the most pertinent points I could make is that if I could get it working three or so years ago, anyone can! I'm certainly no guru. One other nice thing I can say about Arch is that it's based on rolling release, so no waiting around for six months for new packages. The package installer, pacman, is also very good as I recall. I'd be most interested to read your impressions if you go ahead. Huw From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Thu Dec 3 12:41:10 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:41:10 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/3 Tom Ellis > On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:10:19PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > > - Joe hasn't been seen on this list for a while and in any case hasn't > > provided us with a spam-free wiki. > > That's the major problem. > > > If anyone else agrees with me and would be happy for me to maintain the > > wiki, then could Mark or Drew please set CLUG's domain to redirect to > > http://clug.sampablokuper.com ? I'd be happy to maintain it > indefinitely. > > I'm going to do this. > Thanks Tom. I've added you to the wiki's Administrator and Bureaucrat permission groups. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091203/b40d08ff/attachment-0002.htm From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Thu Dec 3 12:47:24 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:47:24 +0000 Subject: USB Wi-fi recommendation Message-ID: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> Can anyone recommend a USB wifi stick that works with Linux? From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Thu Dec 3 12:50:30 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:50:30 +0000 Subject: USB Wi-fi recommendation In-Reply-To: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> References: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450912030350p74a33323o2dc0cb3f0323b793@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/3 Tom Ellis > Can anyone recommend a USB wifi stick that works with Linux? > I have a Linux-compatible NetGear USB wifi stick I don't use any more. I forget the model. Interested? If so, I can bring it next time we meet; mail me off list. Cheers Tom, Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091203/430bac04/attachment-0002.htm From johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk Thu Dec 3 13:00:42 2009 From: johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk (Johnnie Ingram) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:00:42 +0000 Subject: USB Wi-fi recommendation In-Reply-To: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> References: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> Message-ID: <4B17A86A.10104@moviestorm.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 03/12/2009 11:47, Tom Ellis wrote: > Can anyone recommend a USB wifi stick that works with Linux? > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org I bought mine (Edimax 54 Mbps Wireless USB) from the excellent Linux Emporium. Their page at http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/wireless/ gives a good list of compatible devices (although, irritatingly, most of them seem to be out of stock right now). I've had that stick running flawlessly under Ubuntu, Debian and Puppy (as well as a handful of other distros that I installed, played with, didn't like, removed, and have now forgotten the identity of). AFAIK it doesn't play well with Fedora, though. Just read Sam's reply to your mail, which may make my recommendations redundant! Still sending this, for the benefit of other list members and archives. Johnnie - -- ___________________ Johnnie Ingram Product Manager Moviestorm Ltd ___________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAksXqF0ACgkQ4J4LFInQ/fOekwCdGlwz6vMgl+AWNa8dQ/nwtZrR +gwAn1HpZKcczWF4HTO0evaRdk3o00em =24JU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for your recommendation Johnnie. Tom From zen13321 at zen.co.uk Thu Dec 3 23:41:14 2009 From: zen13321 at zen.co.uk (Mark Roberts) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:41:14 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B183E8A.1080301@zen.co.uk> > I'm going to do this. > > Thanks Tom. I've added you to the wiki's Administrator and Bureaucrat > permission groups. Thanks Sam and Tom! That is in my opinion exactly what we need. The wiki look is even zeitgeisty :) __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Fri Dec 4 00:47:52 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 23:47:52 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> Dear all, Thanks to those who've sent kind words about the new wiki. Any questions/problems, drop me a line - although I hope it will take pretty good care of itself: it's set up quite defensively and should alert me to all edits, vandalism or otherwise. If I do spot someone trying to damage it I should be able to revert (and, if needed, protect) the affected pages speedily. All best, Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I suggest CC-BY-SA 3.0, same as Wikipedia. How does that sound? Tom and Wawrzyniec, as the only other people who've contributed to the wiki so far, would you both be willing to retroactively license your contributions under CC-BY-SA-3.0? Thanks again, Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091203/4161b112/attachment-0002.htm From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Fri Dec 4 00:59:09 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:59:09 +0000 Subject: USB Wi-fi recommendation In-Reply-To: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> References: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> Message-ID: <4B1850CD.70106@mansfield.co.uk> Tom Ellis wrote: > Can anyone recommend a USB wifi stick that works with Linux? that's a tricky one since many of them change chipset without changing the model. however, ralink and zydas seem fairly popular and usually work well. what I would do is check the models sold in-store by PC World or Tesco, verify as best as possible online that it's linux compat, buy it and open the packaging very very carefully to try it out, and be prepared to take it back if it doesn't work and simply act like a dumb and confused customer! From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Dec 4 01:00:37 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:00:37 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:55:59PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > Incidentally, we should probably agree on a license to use for the content > on the new wiki. I suggest CC-BY-SA > 3.0, > same as Wikipedia. How does that sound? I feel if we need to think about licences for the wiki we're doing something wrong (i.e. there's too much import content on it that should be elsewhere) > Tom and Wawrzyniec, as the only other people who've contributed to the wiki > so far, would you both be willing to retroactively license your > contributions under CC-BY-SA-3.0? The above notwithstanding, I hereby release everything I've written on the wiki so far into the public domain. Tom From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Dec 4 01:01:44 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:01:44 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> References: <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> Message-ID: <20091204000144.GB23051@weber> On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:00:37AM +0000, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:55:59PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > > Incidentally, we should probably agree on a license to use for the content > > on the new wiki. I suggest CC-BY-SA > > 3.0, > > same as Wikipedia. How does that sound? > > I feel if we need to think about licences for the wiki we're doing something > wrong (i.e. there's too much import content on it that should be elsewhere) *importANT From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Fri Dec 4 01:17:12 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:17:12 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> References: <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450912031617p5c676440xb7ca825024051a3d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/4 Tom Ellis > On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:55:59PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > > Incidentally, we should probably agree on a license to use for the > content > > on the new wiki. I suggest CC-BY-SA > > 3.0, > > same as Wikipedia. How does that sound? > > I feel if we need to think about licences for the wiki we're doing > something > wrong (i.e. there's too much import[ant] content on it that should be > elsewhere) > > > Tom and Wawrzyniec, as the only other people who've contributed to the > wiki > > so far, would you both be willing to retroactively license your > > contributions under CC-BY-SA-3.0? > > The above notwithstanding, I hereby release everything I've written on the > wiki so far into the public domain. > Fair points. I tend to favour copyleft over PD* but I'd be happy with either for the CLUG wiki. Basically, I just want to put a license declaration in place that will let people use the wiki without the law of implicit copyright casting a shadow over their contributions. All being well, once the license is in place, we won't have to think or talk about it again, ever :) Sam *Here's a decent articulation of the reasons why: http://www.zedshaw.com/blog/2009-07-13.html . Admittedly, I doubt the CLUG wiki's going to produce anything quite as useful as Mongrel, which is why I'm not so fussed in this case :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091204/bd840488/attachment-0002.htm From dom at latter.org Fri Dec 4 01:17:32 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:17:32 +0100 Subject: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <20091203031942.47DB0619@resin18.mta.everyone.net> References: <20091203031942.47DB0619@resin18.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <4B18551C.5020205@latter.org> Huw wrote: > Hi Dom Hi Huw! > I, too, have been having problems with Ubuntu 9.10 which seemingly nobody is able to help me with What gives? > Arch is one of the systems I've been looking at recently, along with Debian, Gentoo and FreeBSD (!). I've looked at FreeBSD again and come to the same conclusion again - it's a server OS. Gentoo - that way madness lies. Although if you have truly ancient hardware it's a good way of getting something useful out of it - for a long while I had an ancient Pentium/MMX laptop with IIRC 96 MB of RAM that did useful stuff as an X terminal and very occasionally as a standalone word processor and PHP dev box. But you end up fiddling with the OS rather than just using it. Debian - good choice for a server... never run it as a desktop OS. > However, going from what I recall, I think it was/is an excellent distro. This is encouraging, but it's a bit scary to go to a new distro with no available Live incarnation to try it out... part of the planned reinstall is to set up VirtualBox to allow me to try new distros out. Having said that, I could do that now and try Arch on a VM. BTW your line lengths are (in my mail client, Thunderbird) excessively long, which makes replying a matter of reformatting your text... Thanks for the feedback, Dom From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 01:18:05 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=C5=84ski?=) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:18:05 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> References: <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> Message-ID: 2009/12/4 Tom Ellis : > On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:55:59PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: [...] >> Tom and Wawrzyniec, as the only other people who've contributed to the wiki >> so far, would you both be willing to retroactively license your >> contributions under CC-BY-SA-3.0? > I agree. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Dec 4 01:19:29 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:19:29 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4126b3450912031617p5c676440xb7ca825024051a3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> <4126b3450912031617p5c676440xb7ca825024051a3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091204001929.GA24772@weber> On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:17:12AM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > Fair points. I tend to favour copyleft over PD* but I'd be happy with either > for the CLUG wiki. [...] > *Here's a decent articulation of the reasons why: > http://www.zedshaw.com/blog/2009-07-13.html . Admittedly, I doubt the CLUG > wiki's going to produce anything quite as useful as Mongrel, which is why > I'm not so fussed in this case :) I entirely agree. The reason I public domained is so that you can relicense under whatever licence you see fit! From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Fri Dec 4 01:44:06 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:44:06 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: References: <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450912031644m9cf5c73m2b2fbbb94f3100de@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/4 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski > 2009/12/4 Tom Ellis : > > On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:55:59PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > [...] > >> Tom and Wawrzyniec, as the only other people who've contributed to the > wiki > >> so far, would you both be willing to retroactively license your > >> contributions under CC-BY-SA-3.0? > > > I agree. > Thanks :) Done . Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091204/023787a4/attachment-0002.htm From onepoint at starurchin.org Fri Dec 4 09:15:40 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 08:15:40 +0000 Subject: Recommendations wanted for lightweight, hackable blogging platform In-Reply-To: <4B178BD6.6050708@quintic.co.uk> References: <20091121123913.GE12282@omphalos.singularity> <4B178BD6.6050708@quintic.co.uk> Message-ID: <20091204081540.GB3285@omphalos.singularity> On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:58:46AM +0000, Marcus Williams wrote: > I found the following two great to work with, may or may not do what > you want out of the box: > Webby > http://github.com/TwP/webby > > Jekyll > http://github.com/mojombo/jekyll Thanks, I'll check them out. Cheers, Jeremy -- I will readily admit that I'd rather write a large application in C++ than in C, but that's like saying I'd rather eat rotting meat than swallow sulfuric acid ;-) -- Mike Vanier From clug at dziewulski.com Fri Dec 4 09:19:14 2009 From: clug at dziewulski.com (Janek) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:19:14 +0000 Subject: Mac files stored on Linux Message-ID: I have a query: How do Mac files work in terms of being stored on Linux? By that I am talking about Mac files having 2 forks (data fork and resource fork). Storing files on Linux used to (If my memory serves me right) truncate Mac files to being purely data forks which would for applications make them unusable. If they are stored perfectly happily on Linux, what is the best method to do the transfer? NFS, Samba, FTP, AFP? Hope someone has an idea - I have been reading conflicting information on the net :( -- Janek From magnus at therning.org Fri Dec 4 19:19:02 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:19:02 +0000 Subject: Mac files stored on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Janek wrote: > I have a query: > > How do Mac files work in terms of being stored on Linux? By that I am > talking about Mac files having 2 forks (data fork and resource fork). > Storing files on Linux used to (If my memory serves me right) truncate Mac > files to being purely data forks which would for applications make them > unusable. If they are stored perfectly happily on Linux, what is the best > method to do the transfer? NFS, Samba, FTP, AFP? > > Hope someone has an idea - I have been reading conflicting information on > the net :( Since there's no FS on Linux that supports forks, AFAIK at least, (or streams as I think they're called in NTFS) I'm not surprised that only one fork is kept. Do you really need to store the files as they are? There are solutions for storing Mac files on other systems: http://www.macdisk.com/macforken.php3 /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Dec 4 20:06:09 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:06:09 +0000 Subject: USB Wi-fi recommendation In-Reply-To: <4126b3450912030350p74a33323o2dc0cb3f0323b793@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> <4126b3450912030350p74a33323o2dc0cb3f0323b793@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091204190608.GA10542@weber> On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:50:30AM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > 2009/12/3 Tom Ellis > > Can anyone recommend a USB wifi stick that works with Linux? > > I have a Linux-compatible NetGear USB wifi stick I don't use any more. I > forget the model. Interested? If so, I can bring it next time we meet; mail > me off list. Dear Sam and all, The Netgear WG111v3 works natively with Linux now using the rtl8187 driver (kernel 2.6.31), so it was very easy to set up, i.e. I didn't really have to. Thanks Sam! Tom From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Dec 4 20:10:59 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:10:59 +0000 Subject: [OT] Plug converter, was: USB Wi-fi recommendation In-Reply-To: <20091204190608.GA10542@weber> References: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> <4126b3450912030350p74a33323o2dc0cb3f0323b793@mail.gmail.com> <20091204190608.GA10542@weber> Message-ID: <20091204191059.GA11046@weber> On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 07:06:09PM +0000, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:50:30AM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > > 2009/12/3 Tom Ellis > > > Can anyone recommend a USB wifi stick that works with Linux? > > > > I have a Linux-compatible NetGear USB wifi stick I don't use any more. I > > forget the model. Interested? If so, I can bring it next time we meet; mail > > me off list. > > The Netgear WG111v3 works natively with Linux now using the rtl8187 driver > (kernel 2.6.31), so it was very easy to set up, i.e. I didn't really have > to. The next question is, does anyone have a UK to European plug converter I can borrow for three weeks? :-) From clug at minimal.cx Fri Dec 4 21:38:14 2009 From: clug at minimal.cx (Ian Spray) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:38:14 +0000 Subject: Mac files stored on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Janek wrote: > I have a query: > > How do Mac files work in terms of being stored on Linux? By that I am > talking about Mac files having 2 forks (data fork and resource fork). > Storing files on Linux used to (If my memory serves me right) > truncate Mac > files to being purely data forks which would for applications make > them > unusable. If they are stored perfectly happily on Linux, what is the > best > method to do the transfer? NFS, Samba, FTP, AFP? > > Hope someone has an idea - I have been reading conflicting > information on > the net :( > It depends :) If you're running a recent-ish OS X (ie: 10.5 or 10.6 - and possibly a fully patched 10.4) then don't worry about it. Apple gave Mac OS much more understanding of any non-HFS+ filesystem (about the same time as Time capsule came out, if you're looking for the link) and so the Mac will create a silently .DS_Store directory on the non-HFS+ drive and throw any resource fork data in there. Just try looking at any camera flash card in Linux (or via the Mac command line) after a Finder window has been on it to see the stuff it leaves behind. I use CIFS from an Apple to OpenSolaris serving a ZFS volumes and get 50MB/s over Gigabit Ethernet and have no problems at all with broken files. If you're using OS 9, then install Netatalk on Linux, and that will let the server and handle the forks by creating AppleDouble entries on the Linux filesystem. HTH, -- Ian Spray GPG Fingerprint: D170 35A3 C858 6E85 9B5B 1557 4CD5 6F6F E176 2D0A From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Sat Dec 5 04:14:54 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 03:14:54 +0000 Subject: [OT] Plug converter, was: USB Wi-fi recommendation In-Reply-To: <20091204191059.GA11046@weber> References: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> <4126b3450912030350p74a33323o2dc0cb3f0323b793@mail.gmail.com> <20091204190608.GA10542@weber> <20091204191059.GA11046@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450912041914o2c67a1cbsf58f415109252a5b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/4 Tom Ellis > The next question is, does anyone have a UK to European plug converter I > can > borrow for three weeks? :-) > Yes. Maybe you should just email me first :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091206/0009a915/attachment-0001.htm From alspnost at gmail.com Sun Dec 6 18:03:19 2009 From: alspnost at gmail.com (Alastair Stevens) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:03:19 +0000 Subject: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B18551C.5020205@latter.org> References: <20091203031942.47DB0619@resin18.mta.everyone.net> <4B18551C.5020205@latter.org> Message-ID: <4536e91b0912060903k576f5db1s9ba0034ceeee557c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/4 : > Huw wrote: >> Hi Dom > > Hi Huw! > >> I, too, have been having problems with Ubuntu 9.10 which seemingly nobody is able to help me with > > What gives? > >> Arch is one of the systems I've been looking at recently, along with Debian, Gentoo and FreeBSD (!). Stick to my trusty Ubuntu rule, which is never to run the x.10 releases. I've been fine on all of the x.04 releases, and I'm not going to upgrade any of my machines until 10.04 LTS arrives. On the Arch topic, I've got a good old geek friend who's used Linux for years, tried 'em all, and settled firmly on Arch. So that's a ringing endorsement in my book - and I really ought to look at it again myself! AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From dom at latter.org Sun Dec 6 21:01:19 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:01:19 +0100 Subject: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0912060903k576f5db1s9ba0034ceeee557c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091203031942.47DB0619@resin18.mta.everyone.net> <4B18551C.5020205@latter.org> <4536e91b0912060903k576f5db1s9ba0034ceeee557c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1C0D8F.8050505@latter.org> Alastair Stevens wrote: > Stick to my trusty Ubuntu rule, which is never to run the x.10 > releases. I've been fine on all of the x.04 releases, and I'm not > going to upgrade any of my machines until 10.04 LTS arrives. Yup, you've mentioned it before. Thing is I am really keen to get on to a later kernel version, as the Intel video driver sucketh in 9.04. I could try rolling my own again. > On the Arch topic, I've got a good old geek friend who's used Linux > for years, tried 'em all, and settled firmly on Arch. So that's a > ringing endorsement in my book - and I really ought to look at it > again myself! This is all good stuff. I may try it on the kitchen radio [1] first - which could probably do with a lighter-weight OS than Ub 9.10. [1] Thinkpad 600E From huw at synapticsilence.net Mon Dec 7 01:58:04 2009 From: huw at synapticsilence.net (huw) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:58:04 +0000 Subject: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. Message-ID: <1260147484.3133.11.camel@ubudesktop> Oops! My reply went straight to Dom, sorry about that. Here it is again... -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: huw > To: dom at latter.org > Subject: Re: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. > Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:56:40 +0000 > > On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 01:17 +0100, dom at latter.org wrote: > > > > > I, too, have been having problems with Ubuntu 9.10 which seemingly nobody is able to help me with > > > > What gives? > > Lots of little problems which have cropped up with 9.10, not least the > new GRUB which takes forever to do anything, but the straw that broke > the camel's back is huge interface lag. Whether I'm clicking a panel > launcher or a button within an app - say Evolution or Totem - the system > has to have a good think about it for a second or two before responding. > It all adds up and it's driving me mad. I'm really annoyed because > Ubuntu has always worked fine on this PC. Both upgrading from 9.04 and > using a fresh install of 9.10 result in the same issues. > > > I've looked at FreeBSD again and come to the same conclusion again - it's a server OS. > > Yeah, so I've heard many people say. What makes it a server OS as > opposed to a desktop OS for you, though? Myself, I'm just curious, and > my tastes in software are pretty conventional so I doubt I'd be forced > to live without anything I've gotten used to using in Linux. > > > Gentoo - that way madness lies. [...] But you end up fiddling with the OS rather than just using it. > > Sounds like fun! Again, just curiosity, and the above-mentioned issues > with Ubuntu 9.10; an OS which is customised for my particular PC sounds > like a good idea at this point. > > > Debian - good choice for a server... never run it as a desktop OS. > > I ran it as a desktop OS pre-2006 and it wasn't up to scratch, but > apparently it's great these days and I have a lot of respect for the > Debian team in general. I'm definitely willing to try it again. > > > BTW your line lengths are (in my mail client, Thunderbird) excessively long, which makes replying > > a matter of reformatting your text... > > Hmm. I'll have to look into that. My last post was from my Webmail > account because I was at work. This one's from Evolution; hopefully it > looks better. > > Huw From alastair at altrux.me.uk Tue Dec 8 20:54:07 2009 From: alastair at altrux.me.uk (Alastair Stevens) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:54:07 +0000 Subject: Backup media - time to move on from DVDs? Message-ID: <4536e91b0912081154i7cd25fdcm2c6976187db54689@mail.gmail.com> Hi Guys - some of you might remember my 'world famous' backup system (shout if you want a copy of the scripts), which has several main components: * Firstly, an rdiff-mirror copy of all my important partitions on an external hard drive, with 20+ day rollback capability * Secondly, a script that creates squashfs archives of said partitions, on a separate portion of the ext hard drive, which are then burned to rewritable DVDs weekly (or whenever I get around to it) * Thirdly, some areas (eg music collection, photo collection) get burned directly to DVDs, so they can be easily browsed elsewhere etc Now, this DVD thing is getting a little slow and old-fashioned, not to mention that I need more and more of them, especially used in multiple rotations. What should I be looking at instead? It struck me the other day, when acquiring a new camera with an 8GB SD card, that these little chips might be an, erm, cheap as chips solution - are there any downsides? I mean, a 16GB SDHC card can now be had for References: <4536e91b0912081154i7cd25fdcm2c6976187db54689@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091208195716.GA28998@weber> On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 07:54:07PM +0000, Alastair Stevens wrote: > Am I missing anything? Why not a small number of removeable hard disks, some proportion of which you store offsite? From alspnost at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 23:55:50 2009 From: alspnost at gmail.com (Alastair Stevens) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:55:50 +0000 Subject: Backup media - time to move on from DVDs? In-Reply-To: <20091208195716.GA28998@weber> References: <4536e91b0912081154i7cd25fdcm2c6976187db54689@mail.gmail.com> <20091208195716.GA28998@weber> Message-ID: <4536e91b0912081455pfa79afby2ab60c04af336ce1@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/8 Tom Ellis : > On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 07:54:07PM +0000, Alastair Stevens wrote: >> ?Am I missing anything? > > Why not a small number of removeable hard disks, some proportion of which > you store offsite? Seems like an expensive option - but perhaps a more reliable one. I guess one issue with memory cards is speed - what's a realistic write speed? I've just not really tested them in anger yet, but writing 10-15GB of data to one might take a while...? AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From paul at mansfield.co.uk Wed Dec 9 01:15:19 2009 From: paul at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:15:19 +0000 Subject: stolen items Message-ID: <4B1EEC17.4020000@mansfield.co.uk> we got burgled today. a fairly professional job. if CLUG members can keep an eye out for the following I'd be grateful * lenovo N100/3000 laptop with 2GB ram (I added that) and a crappy celeron processor. unusual combo. running WinXP * Sony Vaio TX2XP dual booting winXP and linux (Suse11) * Sharp Zaurus C3100 with Hawking ethernet CF adaptor - very unusual/rare pocket computer, very unlikely for there to be any knocking around second hand market in cambridge * a couple of Pure PocketDAB 2000 radios - unusual and sought after for being pocketable and have record/rewing. * an original xbox with xecuter mod chip - it flashes up xecuter when it starts up. if you come across anything, don't take any risks, take as many details as possible (write it down so as not to forget and it's much more credible as an eyewitness statement). if you see online or small ad, take a screen-shot please. the unusual thing is that they took all the mains cables and chargers, so they were pretty clued up, and yet there were other things they didn't take which might be more obviously valuable or of interest to true professionals. thanks very much Paul From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Wed Dec 9 01:15:58 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:15:58 +0000 Subject: stolen items Message-ID: <4B1EEC3E.4090802@mansfield.co.uk> we got burgled today. a fairly professional job. if CLUG members can keep an eye out for the following I'd be grateful * lenovo N100/3000 laptop with 2GB ram (I added that) and a crappy celeron processor. unusual combo. running WinXP * Sony Vaio TX2XP dual booting winXP and linux (Suse11) * Sharp Zaurus C3100 with Hawking ethernet CF adaptor - very unusual/rare pocket computer, very unlikely for there to be any knocking around second hand market in cambridge * a couple of Pure PocketDAB 2000 radios - unusual and sought after for being pocketable and have record/rewing. * an original xbox with xecuter mod chip - it flashes up xecuter when it starts up. if you come across anything, don't take any risks, take as many details as possible (write it down so as not to forget and it's much more credible as an eyewitness statement). if you see online or small ad, take a screen-shot please. the unusual thing is that they took all the mains cables and chargers, so they were pretty clued up, and yet there were other things they didn't take which might be more obviously valuable or of interest to true professionals. thanks very much Paul From colinj at mx5.org.uk Wed Dec 9 20:23:20 2009 From: colinj at mx5.org.uk (colin johnston) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:23:20 +0000 Subject: stolen items In-Reply-To: <4B1EEC3E.4090802@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4B1EEC3E.4090802@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <6379FC44-0FE7-46B7-9EB0-58F00B782ED8@mx5.org.uk> hi Paul, i sure you thought of this. check pop3/imap logs for automatic connections from those machines. trace with ripe etc. check ftp connection logs for auto files updating etc. did you have any phone home software installed ? Colin On 9 Dec 2009, at 00:15, Paul wrote: > > we got burgled today. a fairly professional job. if CLUG members can > keep an eye out for the following I'd be grateful > > * lenovo N100/3000 laptop with 2GB ram (I added that) and a crappy > celeron processor. unusual combo. running WinXP > > * Sony Vaio TX2XP dual booting winXP and linux (Suse11) > > * Sharp Zaurus C3100 with Hawking ethernet CF adaptor - very > unusual/rare pocket computer, very unlikely for there to be any knocking > around second hand market in cambridge > > * a couple of Pure PocketDAB 2000 radios - unusual and sought after for > being pocketable and have record/rewing. > > * an original xbox with xecuter mod chip - it flashes up xecuter when it > starts up. > > if you come across anything, don't take any risks, take as many details > as possible (write it down so as not to forget and it's much more > credible as an eyewitness statement). if you see online or small ad, > take a screen-shot please. > > the unusual thing is that they took all the mains cables and chargers, > so they were pretty clued up, and yet there were other things they > didn't take which might be more obviously valuable or of interest to > true professionals. > > > > thanks very much > Paul > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From luke at blog-thing.com Thu Dec 10 03:39:23 2009 From: luke at blog-thing.com (Luke) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:39:23 +0000 Subject: An idea Message-ID: <17aa29670912091839n5078eee2ld0f4f03e0ee7d467@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, Me and a friend have come up with what could be an interesting idea. Basically a hosting service, but users get to customise their own package instead of buying preset plans. It's comparable to a system like one found on the Dell website where you can get a computer and then customise it, choosing to add more RAM or get a bigger hard drive, except with hosting. A basic account would come with a user account, a certain amount of disk space, a RAM quota (and some burstable) on a server, which provides ssh and ftp access. This would come at a flat rate per-month. The user could then configure this to add things like web hosting, extra RAM, access to vnc and other software/features to this account for an extra amount added onto the monthly rate. I think that this would be useful for people that just want a shell account on the net for various reasons, as well as people that want to run an SVN repository or other piece of software without having to buy a full blown server. It means that people are only paying for what they will use (within reasonable bounds, this would have to be engineered so a profit is still made), and since people aren't reserving resources they won't use, we can sell them. So what do you think of this idea? Obviously this will cost a fair amount of money to start up, purchasing an initial server will cost a lot of money and it will have to be plugged into a co-location place, but perhaps it could still be a sucessful endeavour? Do you have any suggestions? Would you consider using a service like this? Thanks, -- Luke Slater :O) this text is protected by international copyright. it is illegal for anybody apart from the recipient to keep a copy of this text. dieser text wird von internationalem urheberrecht geschuetzt. allen ausser dem/der empfaenger/-in ist untersagt, eine kopie dieses textes zu behalten. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091210/dbd759f2/attachment-0001.htm From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Thu Dec 10 03:44:08 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:44:08 +0000 Subject: An idea In-Reply-To: <17aa29670912091839n5078eee2ld0f4f03e0ee7d467@mail.gmail.com> References: <17aa29670912091839n5078eee2ld0f4f03e0ee7d467@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450912091844s37e1b162q1a592753784b06ca@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/10 Luke > Me and a friend have come up with what could be an interesting idea. > Basically a hosting service, but users get to customise their own package > instead of buying preset plans. > > It's comparable to a system like one found on the Dell website where you > can get a computer and then customise it, choosing to add more RAM or get a > bigger hard drive, except with hosting. > > A basic account would come with a user account, a certain amount of disk > space, a RAM quota (and some burstable) on a server, which provides ssh and > ftp access. This would come at a flat rate per-month. The user could then > configure this to add things like web hosting, extra RAM, access to vnc and > other software/features to this account for an extra amount added onto the > monthly rate. > Is this different to what most VPS hosting providers (and some shared hosting providers) offer? I think you might find you face quite stiff competition from Slicehost, Webfaction and about a million other companies. Let me know if I've got the wrong end of the stick, though! Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091210/1ac4cd23/attachment-0002.htm From paul at mansfield.co.uk Thu Dec 10 18:24:49 2009 From: paul at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:24:49 +0000 Subject: An idea In-Reply-To: <17aa29670912091839n5078eee2ld0f4f03e0ee7d467@mail.gmail.com> References: <17aa29670912091839n5078eee2ld0f4f03e0ee7d467@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B212EE1.7070908@mansfield.co.uk> sorry to shoot you down in flames, but there's so much competition in this space offering virtual machines and dedicated servers, that you'd have to have pretty deep pockets to get set up and have the economy of scale to make it work, and even then it'd pretty marginal. you'd be better buying a high spec but quiet PC to host your own apps, your own UPS, getting Virgin/NTL cable business plan or an ADSL MAX Premium service; you'd need a proper firewall to control traffic not some simple domestic modem/router. From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Thu Dec 10 18:25:38 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:25:38 +0000 Subject: An idea In-Reply-To: <4B212EE1.7070908@mansfield.co.uk> References: <17aa29670912091839n5078eee2ld0f4f03e0ee7d467@mail.gmail.com> <4B212EE1.7070908@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B212F12.8030803@mansfield.co.uk> sorry to shoot you down in flames, but there's so much competition in this space offering virtual machines and dedicated servers, that you'd have to have pretty deep pockets to get set up and have the economy of scale to make it work, and even then it'd pretty marginal. you'd be better buying a high spec but quiet PC to host your own apps, your own UPS, getting Virgin/NTL cable business plan or an ADSL MAX Premium service; you'd need a proper firewall to control traffic not some simple domestic modem/router. From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Thu Dec 10 18:49:55 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:49:55 +0000 Subject: Backup media - time to move on from DVDs? In-Reply-To: <20091208195716.GA28998@weber> References: <4536e91b0912081154i7cd25fdcm2c6976187db54689@mail.gmail.com> <20091208195716.GA28998@weber> Message-ID: <4B2134C3.5030300@mansfield.co.uk> On 08/12/09 19:57, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 07:54:07PM +0000, Alastair Stevens wrote: >> Am I missing anything? > > Why not a small number of removeable hard disks, some proportion of which > you store offsite? having just been burgled and counting myself lucky they didn't take the file server and the NAS containing its backups, I'd definitely recommend a combination of putting a NAS in a different room for daily routine backups and an offsite backup system that's convenient and automated! From alspnost at gmail.com Thu Dec 10 21:02:54 2009 From: alspnost at gmail.com (Alastair Stevens) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:02:54 +0000 Subject: Backup media - time to move on from DVDs? In-Reply-To: <4B2134C3.5030300@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4536e91b0912081154i7cd25fdcm2c6976187db54689@mail.gmail.com> <20091208195716.GA28998@weber> <4B2134C3.5030300@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4536e91b0912101202s5c0550b3o3ad3c10ab911cdd6@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/10 Paul M : > having just been burgled and counting myself lucky they didn't take the > file server and the NAS containing its backups, I'd definitely recommend > a combination of putting a NAS in a different room for daily routine > backups and an offsite backup system that's convenient and automated! Sorry to hear the news Paul, sounds awful. Yep, I keep the ext hard drive at home and do a basic offsite thing with the DVDs (in my office drawers 9 miles away, which should cover most individual meteorite hits), but I'm just looking for something more convenient - and indeed, more automated. Right now, a rotated 16GB SD card and an overnight cron job seems appealing, as opposed to shuffling multiple DVDs about.... AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Mon Dec 14 18:58:41 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:58:41 +0000 Subject: free to a good home - computer clearout Message-ID: <4B267CD1.4030900@mansfield.co.uk> I've decided to have a clearout*, and have the following items to give away, they were from a working PC (I needed the case) motherboard K7S5A processor AMD Duron 1.1GHz? 1.2GHz? Sound card Vortex sound card PCI network realtek 10/100 video nvidia GeForce2 with TV out - S and Comp ideal for someone making some sort of media playing computer if your TV has an S-Video input as it looks fairly sharp. I have some small IDE drives too, just about enough to install linux if you're desperate. Next up will be a couple of complete Intel Pentium III systems that I no longer need but have to be sanitised. collect from Hardwick evenings/weekends or Cambridge Science Park weekdays. also prepared to meet in a pub for a quick beer after work. Paul * after the burglary I realised I have far more many spare parts than I'll ever need, and the wife's complaints are finally getting through :-( From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Mon Dec 21 12:00:10 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:00:10 +0000 Subject: free to a good home - computer clearout In-Reply-To: <4B267CD1.4030900@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4B267CD1.4030900@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B2F553A.5050705@mansfield.co.uk> nobody? free motherboard with CPU and ram, sound card, agp video card, network card? surely there's someone out there who can make a useful box? On 14/12/09 17:58, Paul M wrote: > > I've decided to have a clearout*, and have the following items to give > away, they were from a working PC (I needed the case) > > motherboard K7S5A > processor AMD Duron 1.1GHz? 1.2GHz? > Sound card Vortex sound card > PCI network realtek 10/100 > video nvidia GeForce2 with TV out - S and Comp > From alastair at altrux.me.uk Thu Dec 24 00:21:46 2009 From: alastair at altrux.me.uk (Alastair Stevens) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:21:46 +0000 Subject: Chrome ignores /etc/hosts? Message-ID: <4536e91b0912231521r6905477cw7c5c5956f615cb7e@mail.gmail.com> Hi Guys - has anyone else had trouble with Google Chrome ignoring ad blocking? I've done the /etc/hosts thing on my netbook (don't want to run a whole local DNS server on here), and the blocking works perfectly in Firefox 3.0/3.5. But Google Chrome ignores it and finds all the ad sites anyway. How can I dissuade it? Cheers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From wolfgangs at manticoreit.com Mon Dec 28 17:20:07 2009 From: wolfgangs at manticoreit.com (Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:20:07 +0000 Subject: Help, please? Message-ID: <1262017207.4236.12.camel@wolfgang> Hi all, I am a bit stuck with a problem, and I am wondering whether I could call on the group for some help? I have a HP Netserve 2000R, with 2 x 1133MHz Intel P3 CPUs, 2.5GB of RAM and 3 x 36GB SCSI drives in RAID5, run by the internal HP NetRAID card of the server. I bought the box about 3 years ago and it has given me excellent service over the years. In fact, the last reboot was almost 1000 days ago. I use this server mostly to host a few websites, mostly Drupal or WordPress based, plus the associated MySQL databases. And it also runs my live LATRIX site and a demo site. A few days ago it started giving me headaches. I first noticed that the web sites seemed down. So I ssh into the box, and want to restart apache. Wouldn't work. I had to kill all sorts of seemingly weird other processes before I could get that to work. The next day I noticed that my remote shells all took terribly long to respond to any command, or rather, the command output was produced as usual, but the prompt would only reappear minutes later. So I thought, OK, over Christmas I'll do a major upgrade and cleanup. Well, Fortuna cought me out. On 22/12, the sites were down again, and I decided to reboot the server (remotely, it is hosted in a proper hosting center) and it did not come back up. I have since taken the box home, and now the really weird stuff starts: I put a Knoppix CD in (5.0.1), the box boots, the KDE comes up and I can do all sorts of things. I have network access, I can browse the web. All fine. So I start working on the recovery of my data, and as soon as I do anything with any of those partitions, sooner or later the server hangs. Completely, totally. No keyboard, no mouse, no network, dead. Reboot. Memory test, comes up 100% fine. Hard drive consistency check, 100% fine. Reboot. Same again. So far I figured out that some of the superblocks in the partitions are damaged, but that's not a big issue, I can rebuild them from the backup superblocks. And my /etc/ folder in the root partition is now a file (I wonder how that happened, really), but a) I can probably fix it and b) there wasn't anything in /etc/ that couldn't be rebuilt from scratch. I've got backups of most of the stuff on the box. However I would a) really like to figure out what's wrong here and b) try and recover some of the stuff that wasn't included in the backups. Would save me a lot of time. So, if anyone could venture any guesses or point me in any useful direction, I would really appreciate any help I can get right now. cheers Wolfgang From onepoint at starurchin.org Wed Dec 30 07:54:27 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:54:27 +0000 Subject: Q: HOWTO: identify the exact make of my monitor Message-ID: <20091230065427.GA3516@omphalos.singularity> Firstly, hope you had a good Christma-Hanu-Rama-Ka-Dona-Kwanzaa[1]. I have a Gateway2000 Vivitron 17" monitor and I want to know the exact make (so I can check the scan frequencies). But I don't have any docs (I got it from Freecycle) and Google turns up specs for multiple different Gateway2000 Vivitron monitors. How do I know which is the right one? Any monitor gurus around? (ObLinuxConnection: I see occasional instabilities using this thing under X Windows and I suspect that the Xorg server is pushing it near or outside its supported frequency range. If I can find out the correct frequencies I can hack xorg.conf and see if it helps.) Cheers, and thanks in advance, Jeremy Henty [1]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRkdErudb_8 From zen13321 at zen.co.uk Wed Dec 2 09:12:28 2009 From: zen13321 at zen.co.uk (Mark Roberts) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:12:28 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> Hi, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: >> I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe >> Czucha's wiki. > > There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: > > http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/index.php/Index.php May I ask, what is going on if anything with the site? I see the wiki is now just a massive pile of spam and vandalism - does that prove the wiki model doesn't work for us after all (lack of critical mass in the oversight department) or are we continuing with it? I just got an email enquiry asking where our web site is and finding this wiki caused me to log in to my shell account on the cambridge-lug.org server to try to piece together what ought to be on the site. I have a backup of the site from 2002! But the shell tools for getting the code from CVS and promoting changes to the live site seem to be missing. Realistically, if the redirect was taken off, would we be back to having a really old looking web site that did at least contain the most important information, namely: 1) How to join this list 2) Where and when we meet ? Also, did anyone manage to get in touch with Joseph Birr-Pixton? I may have a bit more time/motivation to do some work on the site now, so any thoughts? Best regards, Mark. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4653 (20091201) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From dom at latter.org Wed Dec 2 12:25:27 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:25:27 +0100 Subject: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. Message-ID: <4B164EA7.9030906@latter.org> [never appeared, first time round, 27/11/09] Anyone using Arch? I've been using Ubuntu for a few years [0] but I've just tried using the live version of 9.10 and if I boot the laptop with the big external display attached, I get an utterly unusable flickering console. FWIW I've installed Ubuntu 9.10 on the "kitchen radio" [1] laptop which is just about minimum spec and it works reasonably well. I've switched from Gnome to LXDE on that machine to conserve RAM. Only weirdness was that it would not install properly if I made my /boot partition an ext2 filesystem. Worked fine with ext4. So I'm thinking of dumping Ubuntu - I've been waiting for it because the 9.04 kernel has a bug in the intel video driver that makes video performance suck the big one... and it appears it's still buggy. Besides, the requirements of Ubuntu do creep up and the laptop's not getting any faster. So I'm currently looking at Arch and Frugalware, both of which claim to be lightweight and for the experienced Linux user. Anyone used either of these? [0] Mandrake before that; and before that on the work fileserver, SuSE, and before that I think it was Red Hat on a 486SX/33... [1] Main job is, indeed, living in the kitchen and providing me with Radio 4. From gareth.pullen at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 21:17:56 2009 From: gareth.pullen at gmail.com (Gareth Pullen) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:17:56 +0000 Subject: Ping! In-Reply-To: <4B12478B.6070906@latter.org> References: <4B12478B.6070906@latter.org> Message-ID: Well, I've just had a fair few CLUG emails suddenly pop into my Inbox, so I'd say it wasn't on... Hopefully this means it is now. Apologies to Dom for (hopefully) sending this to him twice, but it should mean we can tell if it's working again... Gareth. On 2 Dec 2009 20:08, "Dom Latter" wrote: Is this thing on? A recent post neither appeared nor was bounced. _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug at cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091202/80d024a2/attachment-0001.htm From flego.federico at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 20:35:31 2009 From: flego.federico at gmail.com (Federico Flego) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:35:31 +0100 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> Hi there, I've being using Archlinux on a Dell inspiron 5150 (Pentium 4 3.06 GHz, 1Gb RAM) for a few years. It is very similar to Slackware with a 'user friendly' software install manager. The main philosophy is it installs basic (really basic) software, than you add what you want. In my opinion, when you want to run Linux on old machines, the largest gain is to run a light window manager (I use xfce, heavier than lxde)). Changing distribution will give smaller gains in comparison. Archlinux actually provides you these smaller gains too, since it doesn't install and keep running, as several distributions do by default, all possible demons and other little programs that constantly check everything... If you need some of these applications, as for example a battery daemon for your laptop, you need to explicitly install them. You could achieve the same result de-installing/turning off a lot of unwanted stuff on other distributions. I prefer to start from little and add on :) Hope it helps somehow... Cheers, Ico. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. (dom at latter.org) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. > From: > dom at latter.org > Date: > Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:15:56 +0100 > To: > clug at cambridge-lug.org > > To: > clug at cambridge-lug.org > > > Anyone using Arch? > > I've been using Ubuntu for a few years [0] but I've just tried using the > live version > of 9.10 and if I boot the laptop with the big external display attached, > I get an > utterly unusable flickering console. > > FWIW I've installed Ubuntu 9.10 on the "kitchen radio" [1] laptop which > is just > about minimum spec and it works reasonably well. I've switched from > Gnome to LXDE > on that machine to conserve RAM. Only weirdness was that it would not > install properly > if I made my /boot partition an ext2 filesystem. Worked fine with ext4. > > So I'm thinking of dumping Ubuntu - I've been waiting for it because the > 9.04 kernel > has a bug in the intel video driver that makes video performance suck > the big one... > and it appears it's still buggy. > > Besides, the requirements of Ubuntu do creep up and the laptop's not > getting any > faster. So I'm currently looking at Arch and Frugalware, both of which > claim > to be lightweight and for the experienced Linux user. > > Anyone used either of these? > > [0] Mandrake before that; and before that on the work fileserver, SuSE, > and before > that I think it was Red Hat on a 486SX/33... > [1] Main job is, indeed, living in the kitchen and providing me with > Radio 4. > > From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Wed Dec 2 22:10:19 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:10:19 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/2 Mark Roberts > Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > >> I've already taken action to forward the CLUG URL's to Joe > >> Czucha's wiki. > > > > There is already some vandalism (spam) on the wiki, at: > > > > http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk/index.php/Index.php > > May I ask, what is going on if anything with the site? I see the wiki is > now just a massive pile of spam and vandalism - does that prove the wiki > model doesn't work for us after all (lack of critical mass in the > oversight department) I don't think it proves it. It has proved that for the wiki model to work, the wiki needs to be set up with the sort of anti-spam measures I've suggested previously on this list. > or are we continuing with it? I, for one, would be happy to continue with a wiki, but probably not that wiki, since: - as you pointed out, it's full of spam; - it seems to have no anti-spam features enabled; - Joe hasn't been seen on this list for a while and in any case hasn't provided us with a spam-free wiki. If anyone else agrees with me and would be happy for me to maintain the wiki, then could Mark or Drew please set CLUG's domain to redirect to http://clug.sampablokuper.com ? I'd be happy to maintain it indefinitely. Ta, Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091202/306e058a/attachment-0003.htm From dom at latter.org Wed Dec 2 22:38:50 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:38:50 +0100 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> References: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16DE6A.5050500@latter.org> Federico Flego wrote: > Hope it helps somehow... Yes, in that at least one person I "know" is actually using Arch! There's a lot to be said for "add what you need" - I've flirted with Gentoo in the past but then of course you end up obsessed with optimising everything to the nth degree instead of getting on with actually *using* the system. I may give Arch a go but the worry is that with non-generic hardware (in other words a laptop) I'd end up spending too much time trying to get things working that with a well-known distro like Ubuntu, well, at least you can search the forums and find someone else that has been there already. From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Wed Dec 2 22:39:23 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:39:23 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16DE8B.5000804@mansfield.co.uk> I'm going to play devil's advocate here, to try and provoke people out of their apathy! I think the clug website should be replaced with a static page simply referencing the mailing list, and a set of links to member's home pages/blogs called maybe "planet clug". the links should be removed if the references website doesn't get updated for, say, 6 months? I still think the CLUG performs a useful service, really as a geek social focus, rather than as a technical resource. A lot has happened in the years since it was created, making linux far less of a minority interest, it's now pretty easy to install and maintain for newbies, and for experts there are many excellent linux resources out there. From faemir at faemir.co.uk Wed Dec 2 22:42:21 2009 From: faemir at faemir.co.uk (Daniel Cohen) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:42:21 +0000 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> References: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16DF3D.8000605@faemir.co.uk> I'll second this. Arch Linux was the distro that finally stopped me from hopping. The best package manager ever, a great community with exceptional helpful irc *glares at ubuntu* and a plethora of packages, not to mention all the user made packages in one central place (it's really easy to make your own too). I almost forgot the wiki - like the gentoo one, it's so helpful in everything, and gives you simple step-by-step instructions for all your exotic hardware needs, though most of the time it's not needed - my eeepc worked out of the box :) On 02/12/2009 19:35, Federico Flego wrote: > Hi there, > > I've being using Archlinux on a Dell inspiron 5150 (Pentium 4 3.06 GHz, > 1Gb RAM) for a few years. It is very similar to Slackware with a 'user > friendly' software install manager. > The main philosophy is it installs basic (really basic) software, than > you add what you want. > > In my opinion, when you want to run Linux on old machines, the largest > gain is to run a light window manager (I use xfce, heavier than lxde)). > Changing distribution will give smaller gains in comparison. > > Archlinux actually provides you these smaller gains too, since it > doesn't install and keep running, as several distributions do by > default, all possible demons and other little programs that constantly > check everything... > > If you need some of these applications, as for example a battery daemon > for your laptop, you need to explicitly install them. You could achieve > the same result de-installing/turning off a lot of unwanted stuff on > other distributions. I prefer to start from little and add on :) > > Hope it helps somehow... > > Cheers, > > Ico. > From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 23:07:47 2009 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:07:47 +0000 Subject: List problems Message-ID: <126d63860912021407s3f53fc42y760383818c7ca0a3@mail.gmail.com> Hi I have just received the last months worth of mails from the list.... I thought it had been a bit quiet. Anyone know anything about why this might have happened? -- Drew Fitzsimmons From zen13321 at zen.co.uk Wed Dec 2 23:33:38 2009 From: zen13321 at zen.co.uk (Mark Roberts) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:33:38 +0000 Subject: List problems In-Reply-To: <126d63860912021407s3f53fc42y760383818c7ca0a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860912021407s3f53fc42y760383818c7ca0a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16EB42.7050800@zen.co.uk> Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > Hi I have just received the last months worth of mails from the > list.... I thought it had been a bit quiet. > > Anyone know anything about why this might have happened? I hadn't seen any traffic since late October, but thought it was just quiet. Then tonight when I didn't even get back my own message (of this morning), I asked Thomas if something was up with the server, and he fixed something :) So based on your comment, I'm not the only one that wasn't getting mail - but some people must have been, unless the new mode is to send mail then look for replies on the web archive? In future I'm going to keep an eye on the archive if it goes quiet: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/ Best regards, Mark. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4656 (20091202) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From flego.federico at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 23:00:26 2009 From: flego.federico at gmail.com (Federico Flego) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:00:26 +0100 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B16E37A.205@gmail.com> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. > From: > dom at latter.org > Date: > Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:38:50 +0100 > To: > Cambridge LUG > > To: > Cambridge LUG > > > Federico Flego wrote: > > > >> Hope it helps somehow... > > Yes, in that at least one person I "know" is actually using Arch! > > There's a lot to be said for "add what you need" - I've flirted with > Gentoo in the past but then of course you end up obsessed with optimising > everything to the nth degree instead of getting on with actually *using* > the system. > > I may give Arch a go but the worry is that with non-generic hardware (in > other words a laptop) I'd end up spending too much time trying to get > things working that with a well-known distro like Ubuntu, well, at least > you can search the forums and find someone else that has been there > already. > Yes, I know, 'what you need' is very relative! I've used slackware, gentoo, red-hat, suse, and know I'm happy with arch! Personally I'm strongly biased toward fast, light and simple. The cons are sometimes you need to spend time to 'know' your system a little bit more... Therefore special effects are banned :) and I want my hardware to last 10 years, not 3 just because each time a new OS is on the market, it requires 10 times more power just to handle new special effects. That's my view, of course... beauty it's a value and someone may need it on her/his computer :) Regarding the hardware compatibility, most of the drivers are in the kernel, especially for old machines. Although not all distributions are sync with the latest kernel version, you probably don't need it. The problem, maybe, is whether your hardware (although existing for many years) has yet been supported. For this you can have a look at: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ http://www.linux.org/hardware/laptop.html Cheers, Ico. From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Thu Dec 3 00:35:33 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:35:33 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4B16DE8B.5000804@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <4B16DE8B.5000804@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4126b3450912021535y7e5c2444o11cd12cd588c0a89@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/2 Paul > > I'm going to play devil's advocate here, to try and provoke people out > of their apathy! > > I think the clug website should be replaced with a static page simply > referencing the mailing list, and a set of links to member's home > pages/blogs called maybe "planet clug". the links should be removed if > the references website doesn't get updated for, say, 6 months? > A bit like this ? In my experience, spam-protected wikis stay static pretty reliably in the absence of active users. The benefit of a wiki, of course, is that if there *are* any active, constructive users, they can just update the pages instead of having to email the list for months trying to work out who has the keys to the server. Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091202/45613387/attachment-0003.htm From dom at latter.org Thu Dec 3 00:43:58 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:43:58 +0100 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B16E37A.205@gmail.com> References: <4B16E37A.205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B16FBBE.8090500@latter.org> Federico Flego wrote: > Personally I'm strongly biased toward fast, light and simple. Completely, avoiding bloat is why a lot of us end up here! > The cons are sometimes you need to spend time to 'know' your system a > little bit more... Therefore special effects are banned :) and I want my > hardware to last 10 years, not 3 just because each time a new OS is on I think my oldest "running" computer - the "kitchen radio" is about ten years old. > Regarding the hardware compatibility, most of the drivers are in the > kernel, especially for old machines. Although not all distributions are > sync with the latest kernel version, you probably don't need it. The For old laptops using the intel video driver, this has been a *major* issue. From dom at latter.org Thu Dec 3 01:15:47 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 01:15:47 +0100 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B16DF3D.8000605@faemir.co.uk> References: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> <4B16DF3D.8000605@faemir.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B170333.7070307@latter.org> Daniel Cohen wrote: > I'll second this. Arch Linux was the distro that finally stopped me from > hopping. The best package manager ever, a great community with > exceptional helpful irc *glares at ubuntu* and a plethora of packages, > not to mention all the user made packages in one central place (it's > really easy to make your own too). I don't really "get" IRC - I like the considered responses you get from mailing lists and Usenet, and the easy-to-search archives of the Ubuntu forums are a big plus point /there/ - but this (i.e. your reply) is very encouraging (along with Federico's replies). IOW if *nobody* on CLUG (probably not a very big sample of Linux users, but probably a very clued-up sample) was using it, I don't think I'd go further. I'm now downloading some ISOs. Ideally I will be able to do what I've been doing with Ubuntu ISOs - extract the kernel and initrd to disk, to provide a boot environment which then mounts the ISO from a USB stick from the rest. I don't trust my CD burner these days... From faemir at faemir.co.uk Thu Dec 3 01:38:52 2009 From: faemir at faemir.co.uk (Daniel Cohen) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:38:52 +0000 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B170333.7070307@latter.org> References: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> <4B16DF3D.8000605@faemir.co.uk> <4B170333.7070307@latter.org> Message-ID: <4B17089C.6060002@faemir.co.uk> Arch Linux provides usb .img files so you can straight away install without any CDs. Also I would recommend the netinstall - it's slightly less bandwidth (because you dont download the iso with old packages then update to the new ones) and you feel like you waste less of the server bandwidth because you start with the absolute latest packages. And it's novel ;) But there is a great forum too, though I don't know about the mailing lists. For me the wiki solves almost all of my enquiries, and then any problem I have are either detailed later in the article, or I pop on IRC, and the people there are incredibly friendly. Normally. You occasionally get responses like: how do I get subtitles in mplayer? man mplayer lol. But that may be because I'm on there all the time and should stop asking so many noob questions... (and mrelendig is on irc 24/7 I swear, and responds to nearly every query in useful ways, not to knock him) I guess the bottom line is... I find that Arch has a /better/ community than ubuntu. As long as you can follow step-by-step instructions it's not 'harder' - it just takes more setup time at the start. Hell, it takes less time later on because you don't get 6 monthly updates that can break your system. Also, because there is a small userbase, and a much larger percentage are very knowledgable in linux, it means you can access the information you want much quicker, and worst comes to worst you adapt some walkthrough for ubuntu for arch. Some things are even simpler than in ubuntu - want codec and dvd support? pacman -S codecs libdvdcss (okay yes codecs are now easy in ubuntu but libdvdcss still requires medibuntu) Sorry for the wall of text. > Daniel Cohen wrote: > >> I'll second this. Arch Linux was the distro that finally stopped me from >> hopping. The best package manager ever, a great community with >> exceptional helpful irc *glares at ubuntu* and a plethora of packages, >> not to mention all the user made packages in one central place (it's >> really easy to make your own too). >> > I don't really "get" IRC - I like the considered responses you get from > mailing lists and Usenet, and the easy-to-search archives of the Ubuntu > forums are a big plus point /there/ - but this (i.e. your reply) is very > encouraging (along with Federico's replies). IOW if *nobody* on CLUG > (probably not a very big sample of Linux users, but probably a very > clued-up sample) was using it, I don't think I'd go further. > > I'm now downloading some ISOs. Ideally I will be able to do what I've > been doing with Ubuntu ISOs - extract the kernel and initrd to disk, > to provide a boot environment which then mounts the ISO from a USB > stick from the rest. I don't trust my CD burner these days... > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From dom at latter.org Thu Dec 3 02:05:14 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:05:14 +0100 Subject: 1. Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B17089C.6060002@faemir.co.uk> References: <4B16C183.30303@gmail.com> <4B16DF3D.8000605@faemir.co.uk> <4B170333.7070307@latter.org> <4B17089C.6060002@faemir.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B170ECA.4000200@latter.org> Daniel Cohen wrote: > Arch Linux provides usb .img files so you can straight away install > without any CDs. This ol' machine doesn't boot from USB! > can break your system. Also, because there is a small userbase, and a > much larger percentage are very knowledgable in linux, it means you can > access the information you want much quicker, Sounds good. > Sorry for the wall of text. All helpful. From marcus at quintic.co.uk Thu Dec 3 10:58:46 2009 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:58:46 +0000 Subject: Recommendations wanted for lightweight, hackable blogging platform In-Reply-To: <20091121123913.GE12282@omphalos.singularity> References: <20091121123913.GE12282@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <4B178BD6.6050708@quintic.co.uk> Jeremy Henty wrote: > I'd prefer it to be database agnostic and written in Ruby, but neither > of those is mandatory. I have root on my own virtual host, so there > are no restrictions on what I can do to install it. Any tips? I found the following two great to work with, may or may not do what you want out of the box: Webby http://github.com/TwP/webby Jekyll http://github.com/mojombo/jekyll Both of them seem to have a bit of a following on github so you can pick up from where other people have hacked sites together as a lot of people publish their webby/jekyll code through github. Both are ruby projects and end up generating static content which is nice and fast. Both integrate well with a source control system. If you dont want to write your own commenting system there are examples of linking up to something like Disqus (http://disqus.com ). HTH Marcus From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Thu Dec 3 11:18:55 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:18:55 +0000 Subject: List problems In-Reply-To: <126d63860912021407s3f53fc42y760383818c7ca0a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860912021407s3f53fc42y760383818c7ca0a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091203101855.GA3248@weber> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 10:07:47PM +0000, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > Hi I have just received the last months worth of mails from the > list.... I thought it had been a bit quiet. Woah! Yup, same for me. From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Thu Dec 3 11:20:15 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:20:15 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:10:19PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > - Joe hasn't been seen on this list for a while and in any case hasn't > provided us with a spam-free wiki. That's the major problem. > If anyone else agrees with me and would be happy for me to maintain the > wiki, then could Mark or Drew please set CLUG's domain to redirect to > http://clug.sampablokuper.com ? I'd be happy to maintain it indefinitely. I'm going to do this. From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Thu Dec 3 11:26:17 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:26:17 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <20091203102617.GC3248@weber> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 08:12:28AM +0000, Mark Roberts wrote: > May I ask, what is going on if anything with the site? I see the wiki is > now just a massive pile of spam and vandalism - does that prove the wiki > model doesn't work for us after all (lack of critical mass in the > oversight department) or are we continuing with it? I was pretty much the only person doing oversight, and I got bored of deleting ten spam edits a day. I've emailed Joe several times to lock down edits, but he hasn't responded. Tom From huw at synapticsilence.net Thu Dec 3 12:19:42 2009 From: huw at synapticsilence.net (Huw) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:19:42 -0800 Subject: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. Message-ID: <20091203031942.47DB0619@resin18.mta.everyone.net> Hi Dom (In fact, hi everyone - long time lurker, first time poster here) I, too, have been having problems with Ubuntu 9.10 which seemingly nobody is able to help me with so I am also going to dump it. A pity; I joined the Ubuntu community at 6.06 and have been blissfully happy with it until now. Arch is one of the systems I've been looking at recently, along with Debian, Gentoo and FreeBSD (!). I used Arch quite a way back now...well, it would have been before settling on Ubuntu 6.06 so early 2006 at the latest, and no doubt it's changed since then. However, going from what I recall, I think it was/is an excellent distro. It is remarkably lightweight; you literally install only what you need. The standard install, at least when I tried it, put a tiny base system on your PC and you had to specify which kernel modules you needed, etc. I gather it's slightly more automated today. Oh, and it's based on System V too. One of the most pertinent points I could make is that if I could get it working three or so years ago, anyone can! I'm certainly no guru. One other nice thing I can say about Arch is that it's based on rolling release, so no waiting around for six months for new packages. The package installer, pacman, is also very good as I recall. I'd be most interested to read your impressions if you go ahead. Huw From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Thu Dec 3 12:41:10 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:41:10 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/3 Tom Ellis > On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:10:19PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > > - Joe hasn't been seen on this list for a while and in any case hasn't > > provided us with a spam-free wiki. > > That's the major problem. > > > If anyone else agrees with me and would be happy for me to maintain the > > wiki, then could Mark or Drew please set CLUG's domain to redirect to > > http://clug.sampablokuper.com ? I'd be happy to maintain it > indefinitely. > > I'm going to do this. > Thanks Tom. I've added you to the wiki's Administrator and Bureaucrat permission groups. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091203/b40d08ff/attachment-0003.htm From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Thu Dec 3 12:47:24 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:47:24 +0000 Subject: USB Wi-fi recommendation Message-ID: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> Can anyone recommend a USB wifi stick that works with Linux? From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Thu Dec 3 12:50:30 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:50:30 +0000 Subject: USB Wi-fi recommendation In-Reply-To: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> References: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450912030350p74a33323o2dc0cb3f0323b793@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/3 Tom Ellis > Can anyone recommend a USB wifi stick that works with Linux? > I have a Linux-compatible NetGear USB wifi stick I don't use any more. I forget the model. Interested? If so, I can bring it next time we meet; mail me off list. Cheers Tom, Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091203/430bac04/attachment-0003.htm From johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk Thu Dec 3 13:00:42 2009 From: johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk (Johnnie Ingram) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:00:42 +0000 Subject: USB Wi-fi recommendation In-Reply-To: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> References: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> Message-ID: <4B17A86A.10104@moviestorm.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 03/12/2009 11:47, Tom Ellis wrote: > Can anyone recommend a USB wifi stick that works with Linux? > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org I bought mine (Edimax 54 Mbps Wireless USB) from the excellent Linux Emporium. Their page at http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/wireless/ gives a good list of compatible devices (although, irritatingly, most of them seem to be out of stock right now). I've had that stick running flawlessly under Ubuntu, Debian and Puppy (as well as a handful of other distros that I installed, played with, didn't like, removed, and have now forgotten the identity of). AFAIK it doesn't play well with Fedora, though. Just read Sam's reply to your mail, which may make my recommendations redundant! Still sending this, for the benefit of other list members and archives. Johnnie - -- ___________________ Johnnie Ingram Product Manager Moviestorm Ltd ___________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAksXqF0ACgkQ4J4LFInQ/fOekwCdGlwz6vMgl+AWNa8dQ/nwtZrR +gwAn1HpZKcczWF4HTO0evaRdk3o00em =24JU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for your recommendation Johnnie. Tom From zen13321 at zen.co.uk Thu Dec 3 23:41:14 2009 From: zen13321 at zen.co.uk (Mark Roberts) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:41:14 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABB4B2D.9050607@jul17pri.co.uk> <5d932cdc0909250201u2b0a59dbsf92555c1aaedf794@mail.gmail.com> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B183E8A.1080301@zen.co.uk> > I'm going to do this. > > Thanks Tom. I've added you to the wiki's Administrator and Bureaucrat > permission groups. Thanks Sam and Tom! That is in my opinion exactly what we need. The wiki look is even zeitgeisty :) __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4658 (20091203) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Fri Dec 4 00:47:52 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 23:47:52 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AB8BF8A.7050201@jul17pri.co.uk> <4ABC8CC5.2040609@latter.org> <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> Dear all, Thanks to those who've sent kind words about the new wiki. Any questions/problems, drop me a line - although I hope it will take pretty good care of itself: it's set up quite defensively and should alert me to all edits, vandalism or otherwise. If I do spot someone trying to damage it I should be able to revert (and, if needed, protect) the affected pages speedily. All best, Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I suggest CC-BY-SA 3.0, same as Wikipedia. How does that sound? Tom and Wawrzyniec, as the only other people who've contributed to the wiki so far, would you both be willing to retroactively license your contributions under CC-BY-SA-3.0? Thanks again, Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Dec 4 01:00:37 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:00:37 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> References: <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:55:59PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > Incidentally, we should probably agree on a license to use for the content > on the new wiki. I suggest CC-BY-SA > 3.0, > same as Wikipedia. How does that sound? I feel if we need to think about licences for the wiki we're doing something wrong (i.e. there's too much import content on it that should be elsewhere) > Tom and Wawrzyniec, as the only other people who've contributed to the wiki > so far, would you both be willing to retroactively license your > contributions under CC-BY-SA-3.0? The above notwithstanding, I hereby release everything I've written on the wiki so far into the public domain. Tom From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Dec 4 01:01:44 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:01:44 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> References: <20090925103617.GB2805@weber> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> Message-ID: <20091204000144.GB23051@weber> On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:00:37AM +0000, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:55:59PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > > Incidentally, we should probably agree on a license to use for the content > > on the new wiki. I suggest CC-BY-SA > > 3.0, > > same as Wikipedia. How does that sound? > > I feel if we need to think about licences for the wiki we're doing something > wrong (i.e. there's too much import content on it that should be elsewhere) *importANT From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Fri Dec 4 01:17:12 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:17:12 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> References: <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450912031617p5c676440xb7ca825024051a3d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/4 Tom Ellis > On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:55:59PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > > Incidentally, we should probably agree on a license to use for the > content > > on the new wiki. I suggest CC-BY-SA > > 3.0, > > same as Wikipedia. How does that sound? > > I feel if we need to think about licences for the wiki we're doing > something > wrong (i.e. there's too much import[ant] content on it that should be > elsewhere) > > > Tom and Wawrzyniec, as the only other people who've contributed to the > wiki > > so far, would you both be willing to retroactively license your > > contributions under CC-BY-SA-3.0? > > The above notwithstanding, I hereby release everything I've written on the > wiki so far into the public domain. > Fair points. I tend to favour copyleft over PD* but I'd be happy with either for the CLUG wiki. Basically, I just want to put a license declaration in place that will let people use the wiki without the law of implicit copyright casting a shadow over their contributions. All being well, once the license is in place, we won't have to think or talk about it again, ever :) Sam *Here's a decent articulation of the reasons why: http://www.zedshaw.com/blog/2009-07-13.html . Admittedly, I doubt the CLUG wiki's going to produce anything quite as useful as Mongrel, which is why I'm not so fussed in this case :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091204/bd840488/attachment-0003.htm From dom at latter.org Fri Dec 4 01:17:32 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:17:32 +0100 Subject: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <20091203031942.47DB0619@resin18.mta.everyone.net> References: <20091203031942.47DB0619@resin18.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <4B18551C.5020205@latter.org> Huw wrote: > Hi Dom Hi Huw! > I, too, have been having problems with Ubuntu 9.10 which seemingly nobody is able to help me with What gives? > Arch is one of the systems I've been looking at recently, along with Debian, Gentoo and FreeBSD (!). I've looked at FreeBSD again and come to the same conclusion again - it's a server OS. Gentoo - that way madness lies. Although if you have truly ancient hardware it's a good way of getting something useful out of it - for a long while I had an ancient Pentium/MMX laptop with IIRC 96 MB of RAM that did useful stuff as an X terminal and very occasionally as a standalone word processor and PHP dev box. But you end up fiddling with the OS rather than just using it. Debian - good choice for a server... never run it as a desktop OS. > However, going from what I recall, I think it was/is an excellent distro. This is encouraging, but it's a bit scary to go to a new distro with no available Live incarnation to try it out... part of the planned reinstall is to set up VirtualBox to allow me to try new distros out. Having said that, I could do that now and try Arch on a VM. BTW your line lengths are (in my mail client, Thunderbird) excessively long, which makes replying a matter of reformatting your text... Thanks for the feedback, Dom From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 01:18:05 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=C5=84ski?=) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:18:05 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> References: <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> Message-ID: 2009/12/4 Tom Ellis : > On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:55:59PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: [...] >> Tom and Wawrzyniec, as the only other people who've contributed to the wiki >> so far, would you both be willing to retroactively license your >> contributions under CC-BY-SA-3.0? > I agree. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: wawrzek at jabber.wroc.pl From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Dec 4 01:19:29 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:19:29 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: <4126b3450912031617p5c676440xb7ca825024051a3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860909260421s3947aeb5y629d3ae361365878@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> <4126b3450912031617p5c676440xb7ca825024051a3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091204001929.GA24772@weber> On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:17:12AM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > Fair points. I tend to favour copyleft over PD* but I'd be happy with either > for the CLUG wiki. [...] > *Here's a decent articulation of the reasons why: > http://www.zedshaw.com/blog/2009-07-13.html . Admittedly, I doubt the CLUG > wiki's going to produce anything quite as useful as Mongrel, which is why > I'm not so fussed in this case :) I entirely agree. The reason I public domained is so that you can relicense under whatever licence you see fit! From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Fri Dec 4 01:44:06 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:44:06 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Re: CLUG Website] In-Reply-To: References: <5d932cdc0909250331h28966443y7a138858b755bee3@mail.gmail.com> <4B16216C.9010407@zen.co.uk> <4126b3450912021310q9a8f5d2j249b1d1b7f95f67e@mail.gmail.com> <20091203102015.GB3248@weber> <4126b3450912030341t54965f70sa79564eb2c95108a@mail.gmail.com> <126d63860912031521j7f9c0e7uc19a1ccbad10f25e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031547h2ca0a3acx69c05872f944a6a8@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450912031555j659055b1te9a976106060048a@mail.gmail.com> <20091204000037.GA23051@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450912031644m9cf5c73m2b2fbbb94f3100de@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/4 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski > 2009/12/4 Tom Ellis : > > On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:55:59PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > [...] > >> Tom and Wawrzyniec, as the only other people who've contributed to the > wiki > >> so far, would you both be willing to retroactively license your > >> contributions under CC-BY-SA-3.0? > > > I agree. > Thanks :) Done . Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091204/023787a4/attachment-0003.htm From onepoint at starurchin.org Fri Dec 4 09:15:40 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 08:15:40 +0000 Subject: Recommendations wanted for lightweight, hackable blogging platform In-Reply-To: <4B178BD6.6050708@quintic.co.uk> References: <20091121123913.GE12282@omphalos.singularity> <4B178BD6.6050708@quintic.co.uk> Message-ID: <20091204081540.GB3285@omphalos.singularity> On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:58:46AM +0000, Marcus Williams wrote: > I found the following two great to work with, may or may not do what > you want out of the box: > Webby > http://github.com/TwP/webby > > Jekyll > http://github.com/mojombo/jekyll Thanks, I'll check them out. Cheers, Jeremy -- I will readily admit that I'd rather write a large application in C++ than in C, but that's like saying I'd rather eat rotting meat than swallow sulfuric acid ;-) -- Mike Vanier From clug at dziewulski.com Fri Dec 4 09:19:14 2009 From: clug at dziewulski.com (Janek) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:19:14 +0000 Subject: Mac files stored on Linux Message-ID: I have a query: How do Mac files work in terms of being stored on Linux? By that I am talking about Mac files having 2 forks (data fork and resource fork). Storing files on Linux used to (If my memory serves me right) truncate Mac files to being purely data forks which would for applications make them unusable. If they are stored perfectly happily on Linux, what is the best method to do the transfer? NFS, Samba, FTP, AFP? Hope someone has an idea - I have been reading conflicting information on the net :( -- Janek From magnus at therning.org Fri Dec 4 19:19:02 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:19:02 +0000 Subject: Mac files stored on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Janek wrote: > I have a query: > > How do Mac files work in terms of being stored on Linux? By that I am > talking about Mac files having 2 forks (data fork and resource fork). > Storing files on Linux used to (If my memory serves me right) truncate Mac > files to being purely data forks which would for applications make them > unusable. If they are stored perfectly happily on Linux, what is the best > method to do the transfer? NFS, Samba, FTP, AFP? > > Hope someone has an idea - I have been reading conflicting information on > the net :( Since there's no FS on Linux that supports forks, AFAIK at least, (or streams as I think they're called in NTFS) I'm not surprised that only one fork is kept. Do you really need to store the files as they are? There are solutions for storing Mac files on other systems: http://www.macdisk.com/macforken.php3 /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Dec 4 20:06:09 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:06:09 +0000 Subject: USB Wi-fi recommendation In-Reply-To: <4126b3450912030350p74a33323o2dc0cb3f0323b793@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> <4126b3450912030350p74a33323o2dc0cb3f0323b793@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091204190608.GA10542@weber> On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:50:30AM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > 2009/12/3 Tom Ellis > > Can anyone recommend a USB wifi stick that works with Linux? > > I have a Linux-compatible NetGear USB wifi stick I don't use any more. I > forget the model. Interested? If so, I can bring it next time we meet; mail > me off list. Dear Sam and all, The Netgear WG111v3 works natively with Linux now using the rtl8187 driver (kernel 2.6.31), so it was very easy to set up, i.e. I didn't really have to. Thanks Sam! Tom From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Dec 4 20:10:59 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:10:59 +0000 Subject: [OT] Plug converter, was: USB Wi-fi recommendation In-Reply-To: <20091204190608.GA10542@weber> References: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> <4126b3450912030350p74a33323o2dc0cb3f0323b793@mail.gmail.com> <20091204190608.GA10542@weber> Message-ID: <20091204191059.GA11046@weber> On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 07:06:09PM +0000, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:50:30AM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote: > > 2009/12/3 Tom Ellis > > > Can anyone recommend a USB wifi stick that works with Linux? > > > > I have a Linux-compatible NetGear USB wifi stick I don't use any more. I > > forget the model. Interested? If so, I can bring it next time we meet; mail > > me off list. > > The Netgear WG111v3 works natively with Linux now using the rtl8187 driver > (kernel 2.6.31), so it was very easy to set up, i.e. I didn't really have > to. The next question is, does anyone have a UK to European plug converter I can borrow for three weeks? :-) From clug at minimal.cx Fri Dec 4 21:38:14 2009 From: clug at minimal.cx (Ian Spray) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 20:38:14 +0000 Subject: Mac files stored on Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Janek wrote: > I have a query: > > How do Mac files work in terms of being stored on Linux? By that I am > talking about Mac files having 2 forks (data fork and resource fork). > Storing files on Linux used to (If my memory serves me right) > truncate Mac > files to being purely data forks which would for applications make > them > unusable. If they are stored perfectly happily on Linux, what is the > best > method to do the transfer? NFS, Samba, FTP, AFP? > > Hope someone has an idea - I have been reading conflicting > information on > the net :( > It depends :) If you're running a recent-ish OS X (ie: 10.5 or 10.6 - and possibly a fully patched 10.4) then don't worry about it. Apple gave Mac OS much more understanding of any non-HFS+ filesystem (about the same time as Time capsule came out, if you're looking for the link) and so the Mac will create a silently .DS_Store directory on the non-HFS+ drive and throw any resource fork data in there. Just try looking at any camera flash card in Linux (or via the Mac command line) after a Finder window has been on it to see the stuff it leaves behind. I use CIFS from an Apple to OpenSolaris serving a ZFS volumes and get 50MB/s over Gigabit Ethernet and have no problems at all with broken files. If you're using OS 9, then install Netatalk on Linux, and that will let the server and handle the forks by creating AppleDouble entries on the Linux filesystem. HTH, -- Ian Spray GPG Fingerprint: D170 35A3 C858 6E85 9B5B 1557 4CD5 6F6F E176 2D0A From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Sat Dec 5 04:14:54 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 03:14:54 +0000 Subject: [OT] Plug converter, was: USB Wi-fi recommendation In-Reply-To: <20091204191059.GA11046@weber> References: <20091203114724.GA7571@weber> <4126b3450912030350p74a33323o2dc0cb3f0323b793@mail.gmail.com> <20091204190608.GA10542@weber> <20091204191059.GA11046@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450912041914o2c67a1cbsf58f415109252a5b@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/4 Tom Ellis > The next question is, does anyone have a UK to European plug converter I > can > borrow for three weeks? :-) > Yes. Maybe you should just email me first :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091206/0009a915/attachment-0002.htm From alspnost at gmail.com Sun Dec 6 18:03:19 2009 From: alspnost at gmail.com (Alastair Stevens) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:03:19 +0000 Subject: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4B18551C.5020205@latter.org> References: <20091203031942.47DB0619@resin18.mta.everyone.net> <4B18551C.5020205@latter.org> Message-ID: <4536e91b0912060903k576f5db1s9ba0034ceeee557c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/4 : > Huw wrote: >> Hi Dom > > Hi Huw! > >> I, too, have been having problems with Ubuntu 9.10 which seemingly nobody is able to help me with > > What gives? > >> Arch is one of the systems I've been looking at recently, along with Debian, Gentoo and FreeBSD (!). Stick to my trusty Ubuntu rule, which is never to run the x.10 releases. I've been fine on all of the x.04 releases, and I'm not going to upgrade any of my machines until 10.04 LTS arrives. On the Arch topic, I've got a good old geek friend who's used Linux for years, tried 'em all, and settled firmly on Arch. So that's a ringing endorsement in my book - and I really ought to look at it again myself! AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From dom at latter.org Sun Dec 6 21:01:19 2009 From: dom at latter.org (dom at latter.org) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:01:19 +0100 Subject: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0912060903k576f5db1s9ba0034ceeee557c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091203031942.47DB0619@resin18.mta.everyone.net> <4B18551C.5020205@latter.org> <4536e91b0912060903k576f5db1s9ba0034ceeee557c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1C0D8F.8050505@latter.org> Alastair Stevens wrote: > Stick to my trusty Ubuntu rule, which is never to run the x.10 > releases. I've been fine on all of the x.04 releases, and I'm not > going to upgrade any of my machines until 10.04 LTS arrives. Yup, you've mentioned it before. Thing is I am really keen to get on to a later kernel version, as the Intel video driver sucketh in 9.04. I could try rolling my own again. > On the Arch topic, I've got a good old geek friend who's used Linux > for years, tried 'em all, and settled firmly on Arch. So that's a > ringing endorsement in my book - and I really ought to look at it > again myself! This is all good stuff. I may try it on the kitchen radio [1] first - which could probably do with a lighter-weight OS than Ub 9.10. [1] Thinkpad 600E From huw at synapticsilence.net Mon Dec 7 01:58:04 2009 From: huw at synapticsilence.net (huw) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:58:04 +0000 Subject: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. Message-ID: <1260147484.3133.11.camel@ubudesktop> Oops! My reply went straight to Dom, sorry about that. Here it is again... -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: huw > To: dom at latter.org > Subject: Re: Repost: Arch linux anyone? Distro choices blah blah. > Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:56:40 +0000 > > On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 01:17 +0100, dom at latter.org wrote: > > > > > I, too, have been having problems with Ubuntu 9.10 which seemingly nobody is able to help me with > > > > What gives? > > Lots of little problems which have cropped up with 9.10, not least the > new GRUB which takes forever to do anything, but the straw that broke > the camel's back is huge interface lag. Whether I'm clicking a panel > launcher or a button within an app - say Evolution or Totem - the system > has to have a good think about it for a second or two before responding. > It all adds up and it's driving me mad. I'm really annoyed because > Ubuntu has always worked fine on this PC. Both upgrading from 9.04 and > using a fresh install of 9.10 result in the same issues. > > > I've looked at FreeBSD again and come to the same conclusion again - it's a server OS. > > Yeah, so I've heard many people say. What makes it a server OS as > opposed to a desktop OS for you, though? Myself, I'm just curious, and > my tastes in software are pretty conventional so I doubt I'd be forced > to live without anything I've gotten used to using in Linux. > > > Gentoo - that way madness lies. [...] But you end up fiddling with the OS rather than just using it. > > Sounds like fun! Again, just curiosity, and the above-mentioned issues > with Ubuntu 9.10; an OS which is customised for my particular PC sounds > like a good idea at this point. > > > Debian - good choice for a server... never run it as a desktop OS. > > I ran it as a desktop OS pre-2006 and it wasn't up to scratch, but > apparently it's great these days and I have a lot of respect for the > Debian team in general. I'm definitely willing to try it again. > > > BTW your line lengths are (in my mail client, Thunderbird) excessively long, which makes replying > > a matter of reformatting your text... > > Hmm. I'll have to look into that. My last post was from my Webmail > account because I was at work. This one's from Evolution; hopefully it > looks better. > > Huw From alastair at altrux.me.uk Tue Dec 8 20:54:07 2009 From: alastair at altrux.me.uk (Alastair Stevens) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:54:07 +0000 Subject: Backup media - time to move on from DVDs? Message-ID: <4536e91b0912081154i7cd25fdcm2c6976187db54689@mail.gmail.com> Hi Guys - some of you might remember my 'world famous' backup system (shout if you want a copy of the scripts), which has several main components: * Firstly, an rdiff-mirror copy of all my important partitions on an external hard drive, with 20+ day rollback capability * Secondly, a script that creates squashfs archives of said partitions, on a separate portion of the ext hard drive, which are then burned to rewritable DVDs weekly (or whenever I get around to it) * Thirdly, some areas (eg music collection, photo collection) get burned directly to DVDs, so they can be easily browsed elsewhere etc Now, this DVD thing is getting a little slow and old-fashioned, not to mention that I need more and more of them, especially used in multiple rotations. What should I be looking at instead? It struck me the other day, when acquiring a new camera with an 8GB SD card, that these little chips might be an, erm, cheap as chips solution - are there any downsides? I mean, a 16GB SDHC card can now be had for References: <4536e91b0912081154i7cd25fdcm2c6976187db54689@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091208195716.GA28998@weber> On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 07:54:07PM +0000, Alastair Stevens wrote: > Am I missing anything? Why not a small number of removeable hard disks, some proportion of which you store offsite? From alspnost at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 23:55:50 2009 From: alspnost at gmail.com (Alastair Stevens) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:55:50 +0000 Subject: Backup media - time to move on from DVDs? In-Reply-To: <20091208195716.GA28998@weber> References: <4536e91b0912081154i7cd25fdcm2c6976187db54689@mail.gmail.com> <20091208195716.GA28998@weber> Message-ID: <4536e91b0912081455pfa79afby2ab60c04af336ce1@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/8 Tom Ellis : > On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 07:54:07PM +0000, Alastair Stevens wrote: >> ?Am I missing anything? > > Why not a small number of removeable hard disks, some proportion of which > you store offsite? Seems like an expensive option - but perhaps a more reliable one. I guess one issue with memory cards is speed - what's a realistic write speed? I've just not really tested them in anger yet, but writing 10-15GB of data to one might take a while...? AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From paul at mansfield.co.uk Wed Dec 9 01:15:19 2009 From: paul at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:15:19 +0000 Subject: stolen items Message-ID: <4B1EEC17.4020000@mansfield.co.uk> we got burgled today. a fairly professional job. if CLUG members can keep an eye out for the following I'd be grateful * lenovo N100/3000 laptop with 2GB ram (I added that) and a crappy celeron processor. unusual combo. running WinXP * Sony Vaio TX2XP dual booting winXP and linux (Suse11) * Sharp Zaurus C3100 with Hawking ethernet CF adaptor - very unusual/rare pocket computer, very unlikely for there to be any knocking around second hand market in cambridge * a couple of Pure PocketDAB 2000 radios - unusual and sought after for being pocketable and have record/rewing. * an original xbox with xecuter mod chip - it flashes up xecuter when it starts up. if you come across anything, don't take any risks, take as many details as possible (write it down so as not to forget and it's much more credible as an eyewitness statement). if you see online or small ad, take a screen-shot please. the unusual thing is that they took all the mains cables and chargers, so they were pretty clued up, and yet there were other things they didn't take which might be more obviously valuable or of interest to true professionals. thanks very much Paul From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Wed Dec 9 01:15:58 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:15:58 +0000 Subject: stolen items Message-ID: <4B1EEC3E.4090802@mansfield.co.uk> we got burgled today. a fairly professional job. if CLUG members can keep an eye out for the following I'd be grateful * lenovo N100/3000 laptop with 2GB ram (I added that) and a crappy celeron processor. unusual combo. running WinXP * Sony Vaio TX2XP dual booting winXP and linux (Suse11) * Sharp Zaurus C3100 with Hawking ethernet CF adaptor - very unusual/rare pocket computer, very unlikely for there to be any knocking around second hand market in cambridge * a couple of Pure PocketDAB 2000 radios - unusual and sought after for being pocketable and have record/rewing. * an original xbox with xecuter mod chip - it flashes up xecuter when it starts up. if you come across anything, don't take any risks, take as many details as possible (write it down so as not to forget and it's much more credible as an eyewitness statement). if you see online or small ad, take a screen-shot please. the unusual thing is that they took all the mains cables and chargers, so they were pretty clued up, and yet there were other things they didn't take which might be more obviously valuable or of interest to true professionals. thanks very much Paul From colinj at mx5.org.uk Wed Dec 9 20:23:20 2009 From: colinj at mx5.org.uk (colin johnston) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:23:20 +0000 Subject: stolen items In-Reply-To: <4B1EEC3E.4090802@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4B1EEC3E.4090802@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <6379FC44-0FE7-46B7-9EB0-58F00B782ED8@mx5.org.uk> hi Paul, i sure you thought of this. check pop3/imap logs for automatic connections from those machines. trace with ripe etc. check ftp connection logs for auto files updating etc. did you have any phone home software installed ? Colin On 9 Dec 2009, at 00:15, Paul wrote: > > we got burgled today. a fairly professional job. if CLUG members can > keep an eye out for the following I'd be grateful > > * lenovo N100/3000 laptop with 2GB ram (I added that) and a crappy > celeron processor. unusual combo. running WinXP > > * Sony Vaio TX2XP dual booting winXP and linux (Suse11) > > * Sharp Zaurus C3100 with Hawking ethernet CF adaptor - very > unusual/rare pocket computer, very unlikely for there to be any knocking > around second hand market in cambridge > > * a couple of Pure PocketDAB 2000 radios - unusual and sought after for > being pocketable and have record/rewing. > > * an original xbox with xecuter mod chip - it flashes up xecuter when it > starts up. > > if you come across anything, don't take any risks, take as many details > as possible (write it down so as not to forget and it's much more > credible as an eyewitness statement). if you see online or small ad, > take a screen-shot please. > > the unusual thing is that they took all the mains cables and chargers, > so they were pretty clued up, and yet there were other things they > didn't take which might be more obviously valuable or of interest to > true professionals. > > > > thanks very much > Paul > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From luke at blog-thing.com Thu Dec 10 03:39:23 2009 From: luke at blog-thing.com (Luke) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:39:23 +0000 Subject: An idea Message-ID: <17aa29670912091839n5078eee2ld0f4f03e0ee7d467@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, Me and a friend have come up with what could be an interesting idea. Basically a hosting service, but users get to customise their own package instead of buying preset plans. It's comparable to a system like one found on the Dell website where you can get a computer and then customise it, choosing to add more RAM or get a bigger hard drive, except with hosting. A basic account would come with a user account, a certain amount of disk space, a RAM quota (and some burstable) on a server, which provides ssh and ftp access. This would come at a flat rate per-month. The user could then configure this to add things like web hosting, extra RAM, access to vnc and other software/features to this account for an extra amount added onto the monthly rate. I think that this would be useful for people that just want a shell account on the net for various reasons, as well as people that want to run an SVN repository or other piece of software without having to buy a full blown server. It means that people are only paying for what they will use (within reasonable bounds, this would have to be engineered so a profit is still made), and since people aren't reserving resources they won't use, we can sell them. So what do you think of this idea? Obviously this will cost a fair amount of money to start up, purchasing an initial server will cost a lot of money and it will have to be plugged into a co-location place, but perhaps it could still be a sucessful endeavour? Do you have any suggestions? Would you consider using a service like this? Thanks, -- Luke Slater :O) this text is protected by international copyright. it is illegal for anybody apart from the recipient to keep a copy of this text. dieser text wird von internationalem urheberrecht geschuetzt. allen ausser dem/der empfaenger/-in ist untersagt, eine kopie dieses textes zu behalten. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This would come at a flat rate per-month. The user could then > configure this to add things like web hosting, extra RAM, access to vnc and > other software/features to this account for an extra amount added onto the > monthly rate. > Is this different to what most VPS hosting providers (and some shared hosting providers) offer? I think you might find you face quite stiff competition from Slicehost, Webfaction and about a million other companies. Let me know if I've got the wrong end of the stick, though! Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20091210/1ac4cd23/attachment-0003.htm From paul at mansfield.co.uk Thu Dec 10 18:24:49 2009 From: paul at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:24:49 +0000 Subject: An idea In-Reply-To: <17aa29670912091839n5078eee2ld0f4f03e0ee7d467@mail.gmail.com> References: <17aa29670912091839n5078eee2ld0f4f03e0ee7d467@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B212EE1.7070908@mansfield.co.uk> sorry to shoot you down in flames, but there's so much competition in this space offering virtual machines and dedicated servers, that you'd have to have pretty deep pockets to get set up and have the economy of scale to make it work, and even then it'd pretty marginal. you'd be better buying a high spec but quiet PC to host your own apps, your own UPS, getting Virgin/NTL cable business plan or an ADSL MAX Premium service; you'd need a proper firewall to control traffic not some simple domestic modem/router. From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Thu Dec 10 18:25:38 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:25:38 +0000 Subject: An idea In-Reply-To: <4B212EE1.7070908@mansfield.co.uk> References: <17aa29670912091839n5078eee2ld0f4f03e0ee7d467@mail.gmail.com> <4B212EE1.7070908@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B212F12.8030803@mansfield.co.uk> sorry to shoot you down in flames, but there's so much competition in this space offering virtual machines and dedicated servers, that you'd have to have pretty deep pockets to get set up and have the economy of scale to make it work, and even then it'd pretty marginal. you'd be better buying a high spec but quiet PC to host your own apps, your own UPS, getting Virgin/NTL cable business plan or an ADSL MAX Premium service; you'd need a proper firewall to control traffic not some simple domestic modem/router. From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Thu Dec 10 18:49:55 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:49:55 +0000 Subject: Backup media - time to move on from DVDs? In-Reply-To: <20091208195716.GA28998@weber> References: <4536e91b0912081154i7cd25fdcm2c6976187db54689@mail.gmail.com> <20091208195716.GA28998@weber> Message-ID: <4B2134C3.5030300@mansfield.co.uk> On 08/12/09 19:57, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 07:54:07PM +0000, Alastair Stevens wrote: >> Am I missing anything? > > Why not a small number of removeable hard disks, some proportion of which > you store offsite? having just been burgled and counting myself lucky they didn't take the file server and the NAS containing its backups, I'd definitely recommend a combination of putting a NAS in a different room for daily routine backups and an offsite backup system that's convenient and automated! From alspnost at gmail.com Thu Dec 10 21:02:54 2009 From: alspnost at gmail.com (Alastair Stevens) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:02:54 +0000 Subject: Backup media - time to move on from DVDs? In-Reply-To: <4B2134C3.5030300@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4536e91b0912081154i7cd25fdcm2c6976187db54689@mail.gmail.com> <20091208195716.GA28998@weber> <4B2134C3.5030300@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4536e91b0912101202s5c0550b3o3ad3c10ab911cdd6@mail.gmail.com> 2009/12/10 Paul M : > having just been burgled and counting myself lucky they didn't take the > file server and the NAS containing its backups, I'd definitely recommend > a combination of putting a NAS in a different room for daily routine > backups and an offsite backup system that's convenient and automated! Sorry to hear the news Paul, sounds awful. Yep, I keep the ext hard drive at home and do a basic offsite thing with the DVDs (in my office drawers 9 miles away, which should cover most individual meteorite hits), but I'm just looking for something more convenient - and indeed, more automated. Right now, a rotated 16GB SD card and an overnight cron job seems appealing, as opposed to shuffling multiple DVDs about.... AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Mon Dec 14 18:58:41 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:58:41 +0000 Subject: free to a good home - computer clearout Message-ID: <4B267CD1.4030900@mansfield.co.uk> I've decided to have a clearout*, and have the following items to give away, they were from a working PC (I needed the case) motherboard K7S5A processor AMD Duron 1.1GHz? 1.2GHz? Sound card Vortex sound card PCI network realtek 10/100 video nvidia GeForce2 with TV out - S and Comp ideal for someone making some sort of media playing computer if your TV has an S-Video input as it looks fairly sharp. I have some small IDE drives too, just about enough to install linux if you're desperate. Next up will be a couple of complete Intel Pentium III systems that I no longer need but have to be sanitised. collect from Hardwick evenings/weekends or Cambridge Science Park weekdays. also prepared to meet in a pub for a quick beer after work. Paul * after the burglary I realised I have far more many spare parts than I'll ever need, and the wife's complaints are finally getting through :-( From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Mon Dec 21 12:00:10 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:00:10 +0000 Subject: free to a good home - computer clearout In-Reply-To: <4B267CD1.4030900@mansfield.co.uk> References: <4B267CD1.4030900@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B2F553A.5050705@mansfield.co.uk> nobody? free motherboard with CPU and ram, sound card, agp video card, network card? surely there's someone out there who can make a useful box? On 14/12/09 17:58, Paul M wrote: > > I've decided to have a clearout*, and have the following items to give > away, they were from a working PC (I needed the case) > > motherboard K7S5A > processor AMD Duron 1.1GHz? 1.2GHz? > Sound card Vortex sound card > PCI network realtek 10/100 > video nvidia GeForce2 with TV out - S and Comp > From alastair at altrux.me.uk Thu Dec 24 00:21:46 2009 From: alastair at altrux.me.uk (Alastair Stevens) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:21:46 +0000 Subject: Chrome ignores /etc/hosts? Message-ID: <4536e91b0912231521r6905477cw7c5c5956f615cb7e@mail.gmail.com> Hi Guys - has anyone else had trouble with Google Chrome ignoring ad blocking? I've done the /etc/hosts thing on my netbook (don't want to run a whole local DNS server on here), and the blocking works perfectly in Firefox 3.0/3.5. But Google Chrome ignores it and finds all the ad sites anyway. How can I dissuade it? Cheers AL -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS * Web - www.altrux.me.uk * Blog - www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html From wolfgangs at manticoreit.com Mon Dec 28 17:20:07 2009 From: wolfgangs at manticoreit.com (Wolfgang Schulze-Zachau) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:20:07 +0000 Subject: Help, please? Message-ID: <1262017207.4236.12.camel@wolfgang> Hi all, I am a bit stuck with a problem, and I am wondering whether I could call on the group for some help? I have a HP Netserve 2000R, with 2 x 1133MHz Intel P3 CPUs, 2.5GB of RAM and 3 x 36GB SCSI drives in RAID5, run by the internal HP NetRAID card of the server. I bought the box about 3 years ago and it has given me excellent service over the years. In fact, the last reboot was almost 1000 days ago. I use this server mostly to host a few websites, mostly Drupal or WordPress based, plus the associated MySQL databases. And it also runs my live LATRIX site and a demo site. A few days ago it started giving me headaches. I first noticed that the web sites seemed down. So I ssh into the box, and want to restart apache. Wouldn't work. I had to kill all sorts of seemingly weird other processes before I could get that to work. The next day I noticed that my remote shells all took terribly long to respond to any command, or rather, the command output was produced as usual, but the prompt would only reappear minutes later. So I thought, OK, over Christmas I'll do a major upgrade and cleanup. Well, Fortuna cought me out. On 22/12, the sites were down again, and I decided to reboot the server (remotely, it is hosted in a proper hosting center) and it did not come back up. I have since taken the box home, and now the really weird stuff starts: I put a Knoppix CD in (5.0.1), the box boots, the KDE comes up and I can do all sorts of things. I have network access, I can browse the web. All fine. So I start working on the recovery of my data, and as soon as I do anything with any of those partitions, sooner or later the server hangs. Completely, totally. No keyboard, no mouse, no network, dead. Reboot. Memory test, comes up 100% fine. Hard drive consistency check, 100% fine. Reboot. Same again. So far I figured out that some of the superblocks in the partitions are damaged, but that's not a big issue, I can rebuild them from the backup superblocks. And my /etc/ folder in the root partition is now a file (I wonder how that happened, really), but a) I can probably fix it and b) there wasn't anything in /etc/ that couldn't be rebuilt from scratch. I've got backups of most of the stuff on the box. However I would a) really like to figure out what's wrong here and b) try and recover some of the stuff that wasn't included in the backups. Would save me a lot of time. So, if anyone could venture any guesses or point me in any useful direction, I would really appreciate any help I can get right now. cheers Wolfgang From onepoint at starurchin.org Wed Dec 30 07:54:27 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:54:27 +0000 Subject: Q: HOWTO: identify the exact make of my monitor Message-ID: <20091230065427.GA3516@omphalos.singularity> Firstly, hope you had a good Christma-Hanu-Rama-Ka-Dona-Kwanzaa[1]. I have a Gateway2000 Vivitron 17" monitor and I want to know the exact make (so I can check the scan frequencies). But I don't have any docs (I got it from Freecycle) and Google turns up specs for multiple different Gateway2000 Vivitron monitors. How do I know which is the right one? Any monitor gurus around? (ObLinuxConnection: I see occasional instabilities using this thing under X Windows and I suspect that the Xorg server is pushing it near or outside its supported frequency range. If I can find out the correct frequencies I can hack xorg.conf and see if it helps.) Cheers, and thanks in advance, Jeremy Henty [1]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRkdErudb_8