From dom at latter.org Fri Aug 7 12:09:10 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:09:10 +0200 Subject: wvdial + USB modem + Ubuntu Message-ID: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> I've got a USB 3G modem (WM66) and a laptop running Ubuntu 9.04. The modem works fine when I boot my Windows 2000 partition. In linux I do these: sudo usb_modeswitch sudo /sbin/modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1c9e product=0x6061 sudo rmmod usb-storage sudo wvdial hsdpa and on the last get this output: --> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.60 --> Cannot get information for serial port. --> Initializing modem. --> Sending: AT+CFUN=1 AT+CFUN=1 OK --> Sending: ATZ ATZ OK --> Sending: ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 OK --> Sending: AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internetmas","",0,0 AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internetmas","",0,0 OK --> Modem initialized. --> Sending: ATDT*99# --> Waiting for carrier. ATDT*99# --> Timed out while dialing. Trying again. --> Sending: ATDT*99# --> Waiting for carrier. ATDT*99# ERROR --> Invalid dial command. --> Disconnecting at Fri Aug 7 00:42:01 2009 My wvdial.conf: [Dialer Defaults] Init1 = AT+CFUN=1 Init2 = ATZ Init3 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 Modem Type = USB Modem ISDN = 0 Modem = /dev/ttyUSB2 Baud = 9600 [Dialer hsdpa] Init4 = AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internetmas","",0,0 Baud = 460800 Username = off Password = off New PPPD = yes Phone = *99# Dial Command = ATDT Stupid Mode = 1 Carrier Check = no Remote Name = "*" I've tried lots of things, e.g. ATDT*99***1#, and without "Stupid Mode", etc. I can also talk directly to the modem ("screen /dev/ttyUSB2"), for example: AT+CSQ +CSQ: 11,91 OK ATI Manufacturer: LONGCHEER HOLDINGS LIMITED Model: HSDPA USB MODEM Revision: LQA0011.1.1_M531C IMEI: 356685023008962 +GCAP: +CGSM,+DS,+ES I've also tried sniffing the USB port under Windows to see what AT commands are used and then replicating these - still no joy. From paul at peck.org.uk Fri Aug 7 13:54:40 2009 From: paul at peck.org.uk (Paul Hardwick) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:54:40 +0100 Subject: wvdial + USB modem + Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> References: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> Message-ID: <4A7C1600.9040609@peck.org.uk> Dom Latter wrote: > I've got a USB 3G modem (WM66) and a laptop running Ubuntu 9.04. > > The modem works fine when I boot my Windows 2000 partition. > > > In linux I do these: > sudo usb_modeswitch > sudo /sbin/modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1c9e product=0x6061 > sudo rmmod usb-storage > sudo wvdial hsdpa > > and on the last get this output: > > --> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.60 > --> Cannot get information for serial port. > --> Initializing modem. > --> Sending: AT+CFUN=1 > AT+CFUN=1 > OK > --> Sending: ATZ > ATZ > OK > --> Sending: ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 > ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 > OK > --> Sending: AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internetmas","",0,0 > AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internetmas","",0,0 > OK > --> Modem initialized. > --> Sending: ATDT*99# > --> Waiting for carrier. > ATDT*99# > > > > --> Timed out while dialing. Trying again. > --> Sending: ATDT*99# > --> Waiting for carrier. > ATDT*99# > ERROR > --> Invalid dial command. > --> Disconnecting at Fri Aug 7 00:42:01 2009 > > My wvdial.conf: > > [Dialer Defaults] > Init1 = AT+CFUN=1 > Init2 = ATZ > Init3 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 > Modem Type = USB Modem > ISDN = 0 > Modem = /dev/ttyUSB2 > Baud = 9600 > > [Dialer hsdpa] > Init4 = AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internetmas","",0,0 > Baud = 460800 > Username = off > Password = off > New PPPD = yes > Phone = *99# > Dial Command = ATDT > Stupid Mode = 1 > Carrier Check = no > Remote Name = "*" > > I've tried lots of things, e.g. ATDT*99***1#, and without "Stupid Mode", etc. > > I can also talk directly to the modem ("screen /dev/ttyUSB2"), for example: > > AT+CSQ > +CSQ: 11,91 > > OK > ATI > Manufacturer: LONGCHEER HOLDINGS LIMITED > Model: HSDPA USB MODEM > Revision: LQA0011.1.1_M531C > IMEI: 356685023008962 > +GCAP: +CGSM,+DS,+ES > > I've also tried sniffing the USB port under Windows to see what AT commands are used > and then replicating these - still no joy. > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > Hi Dom, What other ports have been created? I would try configuring wvdial for /dev/ttyUSB0 as that is the port assigned for PPP traditionally with /dev/ttyUSB2 often used for out-of-band control/signalling. The assignment can vary between fw, chipset and device manufacturer. It is common to block AT commands that don't make sense for a specific port. Generally the long form dial command should be more universal. Use any modem terminal program to connect to the port - if your dial command works then you will see the console fill with garbage characters. For devices that have a more advanced packet type interfaces but still offering PPP as legacy support then the PPP interface will be some other port like ttyUSB3 I guess you are in Spain or are roaming in the UK with a Spanish SIM? Paul H www.pharscape.org From dom at latter.org Fri Aug 7 14:21:38 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:21:38 +0200 Subject: wvdial + USB modem + Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4A7C1600.9040609@peck.org.uk> References: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> <4A7C1600.9040609@peck.org.uk> Message-ID: <4A7C1C52.8010905@latter.org> Paul Hardwick wrote: > What other ports have been created? I would try configuring wvdial for > /dev/ttyUSB0 as that is the port assigned for PPP traditionally with > /dev/ttyUSB2 often used for out-of-band control/signalling. The I got the idea from somewhere that USB2 was the one. I shall try now. [fx: wild cheering] Excellent, thanks. Could have sworn I tried USB0 already. The stumbling block I suppose is understanding why (or knowing that) *some* AT commands would work but not others - from a naive point of view once you've sent various init strings you expect the dial to work too. > I guess you are in Spain or are roaming in the UK with a Spanish SIM? In Spain. Next up... I collect email (for this domain) using IMAP. Quite a lot of spam gets through (hundreds don't). To save bandwidth would it be better IYO to check the account first with webmail and delete spam on the server? From paul at peck.org.uk Fri Aug 7 14:43:22 2009 From: paul at peck.org.uk (Paul Hardwick) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:43:22 +0100 Subject: wvdial + USB modem + Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4A7C1C52.8010905@latter.org> References: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> <4A7C1600.9040609@peck.org.uk> <4A7C1C52.8010905@latter.org> Message-ID: <4A7C216A.8030005@peck.org.uk> Dom Latter wrote: > Paul Hardwick wrote: > > >> What other ports have been created? I would try configuring wvdial for >> /dev/ttyUSB0 as that is the port assigned for PPP traditionally with >> /dev/ttyUSB2 often used for out-of-band control/signalling. The >> > > I got the idea from somewhere that USB2 was the one. > > I shall try now. > > [fx: wild cheering] > > Excellent, thanks. Could have sworn I tried USB0 already. > > The stumbling block I suppose is understanding why (or knowing that) *some* AT > commands would work but not others - from a naive point of view once you've > sent various init strings you expect the dial to work too. > > >> I guess you are in Spain or are roaming in the UK with a Spanish SIM? >> > > In Spain. > > Next up... > > I collect email (for this domain) using IMAP. Quite a lot of spam gets through > (hundreds don't). To save bandwidth would it be better IYO to check the account > first with webmail and delete spam on the server? > Its not my area but if I understand IMAP correctly then some clients can be configured so only message headers are initially stored locally. So I think your mail client would be able to achieve similar tasks to webmail like deleting without downloading first. > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 23:09:04 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:09:04 +0100 Subject: wvdial + USB modem + Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4A7C216A.8030005@peck.org.uk> References: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> <4A7C1600.9040609@peck.org.uk> <4A7C1C52.8010905@latter.org> <4A7C216A.8030005@peck.org.uk> Message-ID: 2009/8/7 Paul Hardwick : > Dom Latter wrote: >> Paul Hardwick wrote: [...] >> Next up... >> >> I collect email (for this domain) using IMAP. ?Quite a lot of spam gets through >> (hundreds don't). ?To save bandwidth would it be better IYO to check the account >> first with webmail and delete spam on the server? >> > Its not my area but if I understand IMAP correctly then some clients can > be configured so only message headers are initially stored locally. So I > think your mail client would be able to achieve similar tasks to webmail > like deleting without downloading first. Or you can even write a script which will check headers for you. I did something what was manipulating gmail account using python imaplib library. I've thought about posting it here, but it's a bit specialist and commented in Polish. However, I can think about preparing short example. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 01:07:54 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 00:07:54 +0100 Subject: wvdial + USB modem + Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> <4A7C1600.9040609@peck.org.uk> <4A7C1C52.8010905@latter.org> <4A7C216A.8030005@peck.org.uk> Message-ID: Hi again, > I've thought about posting it here, but it's a bit specialist and > commented in Polish. However, I can think about preparing short > example. I was using this great site which has enough examples: http://www.doughellmann.com/PyMOTW/imaplib/index.html Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From dom at latter.org Sat Aug 8 18:07:25 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:07:25 +0200 Subject: Debian sources gizmo. Message-ID: <4A7DA2BD.4050301@latter.org> I like this: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Mon Aug 10 17:32:27 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:32:27 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day: 19 September In-Reply-To: References: <1394BDF9-161D-4D7C-ABCC-8E25F84D1411@bbsrc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <6756435A-B164-4421-80E8-BBC722A47ABC@bbsrc.ac.uk> Dear All, Just to let you know that I've requested a pitch in the market square for 19th September. I'll let you know once I get confirmation that we actually have the spot. I've also put in a request for a load of Ubuntu CDs to pass out on the day. A bit nearer the date I'll try to sort out some more concrete plans for the day, but if you could all pencil in this date in your diaries if possible that would be great. Is anyone thinking of organising any other events for this years SFD? Cheers Simon. On 13 Jul 2009, at 06:05, Robert Schumann wrote: > 2009/7/7 Simon Andrews > > On 5 Jul 2009, at 22:52, Robert Schumann wrote: > > Hi all, > > SFD is in two months' time. Would you like to inject some > imagination into the event? > > I have already registered a team for Cambridge SFD, but > unfortunately I'm not going to be in the country on the day; hence > I'm looking for someone to organise. As those who have participated > in previous years can testify, the effort involved is anywhere from > minimal to as much as you want! > > I'm happy to get involved again. The stall in the market place has > gone down well for the last couple of years and I think it would be > worth repeating that event even if people want to organise other > things as well. > > I notice that software freedom day coincides with international > speak like a pirate day - should we make something of this? "Don't > be a pirate - use free software!" > > Whoever's organising (Simon?) should go here and fill in a form for > a Saturday stall. > > There has been some discussion/consternation at the coincidence of > SFD with this somewhat bizarre "speak like a pirate day" - is it > good or is it bad for SFD? The "Don't be a pirate" spin is a pretty > good one. > > Robert. > > > > TTFN > > Simon. > > -- > Simon Andrews PhD > Babraham Bioinformatics > www.bioinformatics.bbsrc.ac.uk > simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk > +44 (0) 1223 496463 > > > > > > From Robert.Easthope at hf-uk.com Tue Aug 11 12:07:00 2009 From: Robert.Easthope at hf-uk.com (Robert Easthope) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:07:00 +0100 Subject: Meeting up on Sunday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1E439417A807BC4986B920F69A828CCA02F168CF@hfukexchange.hfuk.com> Hi, Just wondering if anyone plans to come along to CB2 on Saturday, the website says 1pm but have turned up before and no one was there so thought I'd e-mail and ask. Would be good to have a chat. Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org [mailto:clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org] On Behalf Of clug-request at cambridge-lug.org Sent: 11 August 2009 11:00 To: clug at cambridge-lug.org Subject: CLUG Digest, Vol 72, Issue 3 Send CLUG mailing list submissions to clug at cambridge-lug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.infowares.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/clug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to clug-request at cambridge-lug.org You can reach the person managing the list at clug-owner at cambridge-lug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CLUG digest..." * Important Notice * Hachette Filipacchi (UK) Ltd routinely monitors all communications to and from the business. If you are not the intended recipient, you should return this email immediately, destroy this copy, or forward to the HR department. * Legal Notice * This email should only read by the addressee, if you have received this email, and your were not the intended recipient, you should destroy the copy immediately, or return the copy by post to our registered office, detailed below. Hachette Filipacchi (UK) Ltd, routinely monitors all communications to and from its business systems. Operating Address and Registered Office - ------------------------------------- Hachette Filipacchi UK Ltd 64 North Row London W1K 7LL Company Number : 4474102 Vat Number : 927 3001 49 Tel : 020 7150 7000 From dom at latter.org Sun Aug 16 00:10:55 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 00:10:55 +0200 Subject: Where's me logging? Message-ID: <4A87326F.7000002@latter.org> Got a Debian 5.01 box where logging seemed to have stopped. "/etc/init.d/rsyslogd start" seemed to take care of it. Why would it stop? Never happened to me before AFAIK. Should I be worried? Further clue - it seemed to stop at exactly the time of the daily cron job. From paul at the-hug.org Sun Aug 16 10:06:25 2009 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:06:25 +0100 Subject: Where's me logging? In-Reply-To: <4A87326F.7000002@latter.org> References: <4A87326F.7000002@latter.org> Message-ID: <4A87BE01.4070205@the-hug.org> On 15/08/09 23:10, Dom Latter wrote: > Got a Debian 5.01 box where logging seemed to have stopped. > "/etc/init.d/rsyslogd start" seemed to take care of it. > Why would it stop? Never happened to me before AFAIK. > Should I be worried? > > Further clue - it seemed to stop at exactly the time of the > daily cron job. Sounds like log rotation is screwing it then. Take a look at the log rotate script or scripts in there and try hand cranking them. -- Paul From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 11:25:51 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:25:51 +0100 Subject: Where's me logging? In-Reply-To: <4A87BE01.4070205@the-hug.org> References: <4A87326F.7000002@latter.org> <4A87BE01.4070205@the-hug.org> Message-ID: 2009/8/16 Paul Oldham : > On 15/08/09 23:10, Dom Latter wrote: [...] >> Further clue - it seemed to stop at exactly the time of the >> daily cron job. > > Sounds like log rotation is screwing it then. Take a look at the log > rotate script or scripts in there and try hand cranking them. What about free space on partition involved in loging? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From onepoint at starurchin.org Sun Aug 16 20:47:47 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:47:47 +0100 Subject: Q: what files to version control in an autoconf-ed project? Message-ID: <20090816184747.GA3200@omphalos.singularity> Question: if your C/C++ project is built with autoconf/automake etc., which files should you put under version control? Answer (or so I thought): run "make maintainer-clean" and commit everything that is left. But that still leaves the configure and Makefile.in files even though they are generated from other files. Should they be under version control or not? If I delete just the configure script then autoconf regenerates it, so I guess it's OK not to version control configure and tell developers to run autoconf. Contrariwise, if I delete configure *and* all the Makefile.in files, then autoconf barfs, but autoreconf can complete the build. So, should I refuse to version control the Makefile.in files and tell my (currently hypothetical) developers to run autoreconf? AFAICT most projects don't version control the configure script and tell developers to run autoconf (or some script that wraps autoconf). Is that the way to go? Regards, Jeremy Henty From magnus at therning.org Sun Aug 16 23:25:07 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:25:07 +0100 Subject: Q: what files to version control in an autoconf-ed project? In-Reply-To: <20090816184747.GA3200@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090816184747.GA3200@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Jeremy Henty wrote: > > Question: if your C/C++ ?project is built with autoconf/automake etc., > which files should you put under version control? > > Answer ?(or so ?I ?thought): run ?"make ?maintainer-clean" and ?commit > everything ?that is ?left. ?But ?that still ?leaves the ?configure and > Makefile.in ?files even though ?they are ?generated from ?other files. > Should they be under version control or not? > > If I delete just the configure script then autoconf regenerates it, so > I guess it's ?OK not to version control ?configure and tell developers > to run ?autoconf. ?Contrariwise, if ?I delete configure *and* ?all the > Makefile.in files, ?then autoconf ?barfs, but autoreconf ?can complete > the build. ? So, should ?I refuse to ?version control ?the Makefile.in > files ?and ? tell ?my ?(currently ?hypothetical) ? developers ?to ?run > autoreconf? > > AFAICT most ?projects don't version ?control the configure ?script and > tell developers to run autoconf ?(or some script that wraps autoconf). > Is that the way to go? These are the files I tend to check in in Gnome-related stuff: AUTHORS Makefile.am README autogen.sh ChangeLog NEWS TODO configure.ac You might want a few other files depending on your usage of autoconf and libtool, but I don't have stuff around that does anything other than basic stuff. If you want some more info take a loot at what files are checked into some large project, Gnome should have few to choose between. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From onepoint at starurchin.org Tue Aug 18 08:23:12 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:23:12 +0100 Subject: Q: what files to version control in an autoconf-ed project? In-Reply-To: References: <20090816184747.GA3200@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090818062312.GA7599@omphalos.singularity> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:25:07PM +0100, Magnus Therning wrote: > These are the files I tend to check in in Gnome-related stuff: > > AUTHORS > Makefile.am > README > autogen.sh > ChangeLog > NEWS > TODO > configure.ac > > You might want a few other files depending on your usage of autoconf > and libtool, but I don't have stuff around that does anything other > than basic stuff. So you're checking in the absolute minimum, no generated files at all? I guess that makes sense, particularly as I've seen projects suffer unnecessary conflicts when generated files were checked in. I still find it odd that "make maintainer-clean" leaves some generated files behind. You'd think it obvious to have a clean target that really wipes the slate clean and I'm surprised autotools doesn't provide it, given their "everything plus the kitchen sink" approach. Cheers, Jeremy Henty From onepoint at starurchin.org Tue Aug 18 08:25:12 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:25:12 +0100 Subject: Petition to apologize for the prosecution of Alan Turing Message-ID: <20090818062512.GB7599@omphalos.singularity> Thought this might be of interest: Petition to apologize for the prosecution of Alan Turing that led to his untimely death. http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/turing/ Jeremy Henty From magnus at therning.org Tue Aug 18 09:37:49 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:37:49 +0100 Subject: Q: what files to version control in an autoconf-ed project? In-Reply-To: <20090818062312.GA7599@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090816184747.GA3200@omphalos.singularity> <20090818062312.GA7599@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Jeremy Henty wrote: > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:25:07PM +0100, Magnus Therning wrote: > >> These are the files I tend to check in in Gnome-related stuff: >> >> AUTHORS >> Makefile.am >> README >> autogen.sh >> ChangeLog >> NEWS >> TODO >> configure.ac >> >> You might want a few other files depending on your usage of autoconf >> and libtool, but I don't ?have stuff around that does anything other >> than basic stuff. > > So you're checking in the absolute minimum, no generated files at all? > I guess ?that makes sense, ?particularly as I've seen ?projects suffer > unnecessary conflicts ?when generated files were checked ?in. ?I still > find it ?odd that "make maintainer-clean" leaves ?some generated files > behind. ?You'd ?think it ?obvious to have ?a clean target ?that really > wipes the slate clean and ?I'm surprised autotools doesn't provide it, > given their "everything plus the kitchen sink" approach. Yes, checking in the absolute minimum is the only way to go. In some cases I even don't check in files that can be automatically created using 'autoreconf -i'. Checking in any files that are created or modified as part of the build is a recipe for disaster in my book. Source-level distribution is another matter, there I come down on the side of what the auto-tools do. You are right in thinking that maintainer-clean doesn't clean as much as it could. I can't begin to understand why they've decided to _not_ include a target that cleans _everything_. It is one reason why I tend to reach for CMake nowadays. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From onepoint at starurchin.org Wed Aug 19 08:52:56 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:52:56 +0100 Subject: Q: what files to version control in an autoconf-ed project? In-Reply-To: References: <20090816184747.GA3200@omphalos.singularity> <20090818062312.GA7599@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090819065256.GL7599@omphalos.singularity> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 08:37:49AM +0100, Magnus Therning wrote: > Yes, checking in the absolute minimum is the only way to go. In > some cases I even don't check in files that can be automatically > created using 'autoreconf -i'. OK, I've decided that's the way to go. Jeremy Henty From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 23:11:48 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:11:48 +0100 Subject: Linux Works in Cambridge Message-ID: Hi, Some time ago I started a Google Maps which I called "Linux Jobs in Cambridge". Recently, I decided that "Linux Works in Cambridge" would be better description to data collected on the map - organization where Linux is somehow in use (more or less). This map might be helpful during Free Software Day to show people how important part of software ecosystem is Linux and Foss in general and Cambridge landscape in particular. Finally, if you find anything wrong or missing please let me know or change/add it yourself (but some people complained that was impossible). http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=116257976395264086847.0004593ed5b1f40f48fd4&z=13 Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 14:19:20 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:19:20 +0100 Subject: Linux Works in Cambridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/8/23 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : [...] > Finally, if you find anything wrong or missing please let me know or > change/add it yourself (but some people complained that was > impossible). Paul Oldham showed that it's possible. > http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=116257976395264086847.0004593ed5b1f40f48fd4&z=13 I've already got some feedback. The one I think might be interesting for many beer lovers here: Paul Boggia wrote to me: > I just want you to know that I have remastered Linux to produce a kiosk type environment, and it is now used in one of my businesses (The Kingston > Arms Freehouse) to offer free internet access in our bar! Maybe you could include it on the map? So it seems that next time you want to speak about Linux (especially with not hackers) Kingston Arms can be good place, as you will be able to show what are you talking about. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From paul at the-hug.org Tue Aug 25 18:19:50 2009 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:19:50 +0100 Subject: Linux Works in Cambridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A940F26.3090903@the-hug.org> On 25/08/09 13:19, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > 2009/8/23 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : > > [...] >> Finally, if you find anything wrong or missing please let me know or >> change/add it yourself (but some people complained that was >> impossible). > > Paul Oldham showed that it's possible. Yeah, you just have to be logged in to Google first. -- Paul From johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk Tue Aug 25 18:34:14 2009 From: johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk (Johnnie Ingram) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:34:14 +0100 Subject: JOB: Java/PHP web developer Message-ID: <4A941286.9040304@moviestorm.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Afternoon all. Since this list has in the past been used for penguin-oriented job postings, I figured nobody would object if I mentioned another one. Apologies if I'm breaking list etiquette. I'm looking for a good, all-round Java/PHP web developer with the following skills: * HTML, XHTML, CSS, XML, JavaScript and AJAX * Java Servlet development, LAMP, Tomcat * Third party API integration and/or API development The successful Developer will come from a strong programming background with technologies such as C, C++ or Java as well as PHP. You will have proven experience in the development and adaptation of content management systems (CMS) and the development of other web applications in Java and PHP. You should be able to demonstrate awareness of PHP security and cross-browser development issues and have a track record of keeping up-to-date with the latest technologies and possess an awareness of accessibility standards and W3C. You should also have an understanding of Apache HTTP and Tomcat web server maintenance and set-up. Experience developing e-commerce solutions would also be highly desirable. Give me a poke via johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk if you're interested, or if you want more details. The official vacancy listing hasn't gone online yet, so this is only really a rough guide as to what we're after. Cheers, - -- ___________________ Johnnie Ingram Product Manager Short Fuze Limited ___________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkqUEoUACgkQ4J4LFInQ/fNc7gCeNrXhz/zXWx9R9/UERH3W/m9g i10An09LSAUhE+/Q0TtE7B4q28kKQ9eA =Z1OF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: johnnie_ingram.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 336 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090825/26cfda2d/attachment.vcf From dom at latter.org Fri Aug 7 12:09:10 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:09:10 +0200 Subject: wvdial + USB modem + Ubuntu Message-ID: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> I've got a USB 3G modem (WM66) and a laptop running Ubuntu 9.04. The modem works fine when I boot my Windows 2000 partition. In linux I do these: sudo usb_modeswitch sudo /sbin/modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1c9e product=0x6061 sudo rmmod usb-storage sudo wvdial hsdpa and on the last get this output: --> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.60 --> Cannot get information for serial port. --> Initializing modem. --> Sending: AT+CFUN=1 AT+CFUN=1 OK --> Sending: ATZ ATZ OK --> Sending: ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 OK --> Sending: AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internetmas","",0,0 AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internetmas","",0,0 OK --> Modem initialized. --> Sending: ATDT*99# --> Waiting for carrier. ATDT*99# --> Timed out while dialing. Trying again. --> Sending: ATDT*99# --> Waiting for carrier. ATDT*99# ERROR --> Invalid dial command. --> Disconnecting at Fri Aug 7 00:42:01 2009 My wvdial.conf: [Dialer Defaults] Init1 = AT+CFUN=1 Init2 = ATZ Init3 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 Modem Type = USB Modem ISDN = 0 Modem = /dev/ttyUSB2 Baud = 9600 [Dialer hsdpa] Init4 = AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internetmas","",0,0 Baud = 460800 Username = off Password = off New PPPD = yes Phone = *99# Dial Command = ATDT Stupid Mode = 1 Carrier Check = no Remote Name = "*" I've tried lots of things, e.g. ATDT*99***1#, and without "Stupid Mode", etc. I can also talk directly to the modem ("screen /dev/ttyUSB2"), for example: AT+CSQ +CSQ: 11,91 OK ATI Manufacturer: LONGCHEER HOLDINGS LIMITED Model: HSDPA USB MODEM Revision: LQA0011.1.1_M531C IMEI: 356685023008962 +GCAP: +CGSM,+DS,+ES I've also tried sniffing the USB port under Windows to see what AT commands are used and then replicating these - still no joy. From paul at peck.org.uk Fri Aug 7 13:54:40 2009 From: paul at peck.org.uk (Paul Hardwick) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:54:40 +0100 Subject: wvdial + USB modem + Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> References: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> Message-ID: <4A7C1600.9040609@peck.org.uk> Dom Latter wrote: > I've got a USB 3G modem (WM66) and a laptop running Ubuntu 9.04. > > The modem works fine when I boot my Windows 2000 partition. > > > In linux I do these: > sudo usb_modeswitch > sudo /sbin/modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1c9e product=0x6061 > sudo rmmod usb-storage > sudo wvdial hsdpa > > and on the last get this output: > > --> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.60 > --> Cannot get information for serial port. > --> Initializing modem. > --> Sending: AT+CFUN=1 > AT+CFUN=1 > OK > --> Sending: ATZ > ATZ > OK > --> Sending: ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 > ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 > OK > --> Sending: AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internetmas","",0,0 > AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internetmas","",0,0 > OK > --> Modem initialized. > --> Sending: ATDT*99# > --> Waiting for carrier. > ATDT*99# > > > > --> Timed out while dialing. Trying again. > --> Sending: ATDT*99# > --> Waiting for carrier. > ATDT*99# > ERROR > --> Invalid dial command. > --> Disconnecting at Fri Aug 7 00:42:01 2009 > > My wvdial.conf: > > [Dialer Defaults] > Init1 = AT+CFUN=1 > Init2 = ATZ > Init3 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 > Modem Type = USB Modem > ISDN = 0 > Modem = /dev/ttyUSB2 > Baud = 9600 > > [Dialer hsdpa] > Init4 = AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internetmas","",0,0 > Baud = 460800 > Username = off > Password = off > New PPPD = yes > Phone = *99# > Dial Command = ATDT > Stupid Mode = 1 > Carrier Check = no > Remote Name = "*" > > I've tried lots of things, e.g. ATDT*99***1#, and without "Stupid Mode", etc. > > I can also talk directly to the modem ("screen /dev/ttyUSB2"), for example: > > AT+CSQ > +CSQ: 11,91 > > OK > ATI > Manufacturer: LONGCHEER HOLDINGS LIMITED > Model: HSDPA USB MODEM > Revision: LQA0011.1.1_M531C > IMEI: 356685023008962 > +GCAP: +CGSM,+DS,+ES > > I've also tried sniffing the USB port under Windows to see what AT commands are used > and then replicating these - still no joy. > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > Hi Dom, What other ports have been created? I would try configuring wvdial for /dev/ttyUSB0 as that is the port assigned for PPP traditionally with /dev/ttyUSB2 often used for out-of-band control/signalling. The assignment can vary between fw, chipset and device manufacturer. It is common to block AT commands that don't make sense for a specific port. Generally the long form dial command should be more universal. Use any modem terminal program to connect to the port - if your dial command works then you will see the console fill with garbage characters. For devices that have a more advanced packet type interfaces but still offering PPP as legacy support then the PPP interface will be some other port like ttyUSB3 I guess you are in Spain or are roaming in the UK with a Spanish SIM? Paul H www.pharscape.org From dom at latter.org Fri Aug 7 14:21:38 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:21:38 +0200 Subject: wvdial + USB modem + Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4A7C1600.9040609@peck.org.uk> References: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> <4A7C1600.9040609@peck.org.uk> Message-ID: <4A7C1C52.8010905@latter.org> Paul Hardwick wrote: > What other ports have been created? I would try configuring wvdial for > /dev/ttyUSB0 as that is the port assigned for PPP traditionally with > /dev/ttyUSB2 often used for out-of-band control/signalling. The I got the idea from somewhere that USB2 was the one. I shall try now. [fx: wild cheering] Excellent, thanks. Could have sworn I tried USB0 already. The stumbling block I suppose is understanding why (or knowing that) *some* AT commands would work but not others - from a naive point of view once you've sent various init strings you expect the dial to work too. > I guess you are in Spain or are roaming in the UK with a Spanish SIM? In Spain. Next up... I collect email (for this domain) using IMAP. Quite a lot of spam gets through (hundreds don't). To save bandwidth would it be better IYO to check the account first with webmail and delete spam on the server? From paul at peck.org.uk Fri Aug 7 14:43:22 2009 From: paul at peck.org.uk (Paul Hardwick) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:43:22 +0100 Subject: wvdial + USB modem + Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4A7C1C52.8010905@latter.org> References: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> <4A7C1600.9040609@peck.org.uk> <4A7C1C52.8010905@latter.org> Message-ID: <4A7C216A.8030005@peck.org.uk> Dom Latter wrote: > Paul Hardwick wrote: > > >> What other ports have been created? I would try configuring wvdial for >> /dev/ttyUSB0 as that is the port assigned for PPP traditionally with >> /dev/ttyUSB2 often used for out-of-band control/signalling. The >> > > I got the idea from somewhere that USB2 was the one. > > I shall try now. > > [fx: wild cheering] > > Excellent, thanks. Could have sworn I tried USB0 already. > > The stumbling block I suppose is understanding why (or knowing that) *some* AT > commands would work but not others - from a naive point of view once you've > sent various init strings you expect the dial to work too. > > >> I guess you are in Spain or are roaming in the UK with a Spanish SIM? >> > > In Spain. > > Next up... > > I collect email (for this domain) using IMAP. Quite a lot of spam gets through > (hundreds don't). To save bandwidth would it be better IYO to check the account > first with webmail and delete spam on the server? > Its not my area but if I understand IMAP correctly then some clients can be configured so only message headers are initially stored locally. So I think your mail client would be able to achieve similar tasks to webmail like deleting without downloading first. > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 23:09:04 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:09:04 +0100 Subject: wvdial + USB modem + Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4A7C216A.8030005@peck.org.uk> References: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> <4A7C1600.9040609@peck.org.uk> <4A7C1C52.8010905@latter.org> <4A7C216A.8030005@peck.org.uk> Message-ID: 2009/8/7 Paul Hardwick : > Dom Latter wrote: >> Paul Hardwick wrote: [...] >> Next up... >> >> I collect email (for this domain) using IMAP. ?Quite a lot of spam gets through >> (hundreds don't). ?To save bandwidth would it be better IYO to check the account >> first with webmail and delete spam on the server? >> > Its not my area but if I understand IMAP correctly then some clients can > be configured so only message headers are initially stored locally. So I > think your mail client would be able to achieve similar tasks to webmail > like deleting without downloading first. Or you can even write a script which will check headers for you. I did something what was manipulating gmail account using python imaplib library. I've thought about posting it here, but it's a bit specialist and commented in Polish. However, I can think about preparing short example. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 01:07:54 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 00:07:54 +0100 Subject: wvdial + USB modem + Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> <4A7C1600.9040609@peck.org.uk> <4A7C1C52.8010905@latter.org> <4A7C216A.8030005@peck.org.uk> Message-ID: Hi again, > I've thought about posting it here, but it's a bit specialist and > commented in Polish. However, I can think about preparing short > example. I was using this great site which has enough examples: http://www.doughellmann.com/PyMOTW/imaplib/index.html Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From dom at latter.org Sat Aug 8 18:07:25 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:07:25 +0200 Subject: Debian sources gizmo. Message-ID: <4A7DA2BD.4050301@latter.org> I like this: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Mon Aug 10 17:32:27 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:32:27 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day: 19 September In-Reply-To: References: <1394BDF9-161D-4D7C-ABCC-8E25F84D1411@bbsrc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <6756435A-B164-4421-80E8-BBC722A47ABC@bbsrc.ac.uk> Dear All, Just to let you know that I've requested a pitch in the market square for 19th September. I'll let you know once I get confirmation that we actually have the spot. I've also put in a request for a load of Ubuntu CDs to pass out on the day. A bit nearer the date I'll try to sort out some more concrete plans for the day, but if you could all pencil in this date in your diaries if possible that would be great. Is anyone thinking of organising any other events for this years SFD? Cheers Simon. On 13 Jul 2009, at 06:05, Robert Schumann wrote: > 2009/7/7 Simon Andrews > > On 5 Jul 2009, at 22:52, Robert Schumann wrote: > > Hi all, > > SFD is in two months' time. Would you like to inject some > imagination into the event? > > I have already registered a team for Cambridge SFD, but > unfortunately I'm not going to be in the country on the day; hence > I'm looking for someone to organise. As those who have participated > in previous years can testify, the effort involved is anywhere from > minimal to as much as you want! > > I'm happy to get involved again. The stall in the market place has > gone down well for the last couple of years and I think it would be > worth repeating that event even if people want to organise other > things as well. > > I notice that software freedom day coincides with international > speak like a pirate day - should we make something of this? "Don't > be a pirate - use free software!" > > Whoever's organising (Simon?) should go here and fill in a form for > a Saturday stall. > > There has been some discussion/consternation at the coincidence of > SFD with this somewhat bizarre "speak like a pirate day" - is it > good or is it bad for SFD? The "Don't be a pirate" spin is a pretty > good one. > > Robert. > > > > TTFN > > Simon. > > -- > Simon Andrews PhD > Babraham Bioinformatics > www.bioinformatics.bbsrc.ac.uk > simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk > +44 (0) 1223 496463 > > > > > > From Robert.Easthope at hf-uk.com Tue Aug 11 12:07:00 2009 From: Robert.Easthope at hf-uk.com (Robert Easthope) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:07:00 +0100 Subject: Meeting up on Sunday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1E439417A807BC4986B920F69A828CCA02F168CF@hfukexchange.hfuk.com> Hi, Just wondering if anyone plans to come along to CB2 on Saturday, the website says 1pm but have turned up before and no one was there so thought I'd e-mail and ask. Would be good to have a chat. Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org [mailto:clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org] On Behalf Of clug-request at cambridge-lug.org Sent: 11 August 2009 11:00 To: clug at cambridge-lug.org Subject: CLUG Digest, Vol 72, Issue 3 Send CLUG mailing list submissions to clug at cambridge-lug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.infowares.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/clug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to clug-request at cambridge-lug.org You can reach the person managing the list at clug-owner at cambridge-lug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CLUG digest..." * Important Notice * Hachette Filipacchi (UK) Ltd routinely monitors all communications to and from the business. If you are not the intended recipient, you should return this email immediately, destroy this copy, or forward to the HR department. * Legal Notice * This email should only read by the addressee, if you have received this email, and your were not the intended recipient, you should destroy the copy immediately, or return the copy by post to our registered office, detailed below. Hachette Filipacchi (UK) Ltd, routinely monitors all communications to and from its business systems. Operating Address and Registered Office - ------------------------------------- Hachette Filipacchi UK Ltd 64 North Row London W1K 7LL Company Number : 4474102 Vat Number : 927 3001 49 Tel : 020 7150 7000 From dom at latter.org Sun Aug 16 00:10:55 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 00:10:55 +0200 Subject: Where's me logging? Message-ID: <4A87326F.7000002@latter.org> Got a Debian 5.01 box where logging seemed to have stopped. "/etc/init.d/rsyslogd start" seemed to take care of it. Why would it stop? Never happened to me before AFAIK. Should I be worried? Further clue - it seemed to stop at exactly the time of the daily cron job. From paul at the-hug.org Sun Aug 16 10:06:25 2009 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:06:25 +0100 Subject: Where's me logging? In-Reply-To: <4A87326F.7000002@latter.org> References: <4A87326F.7000002@latter.org> Message-ID: <4A87BE01.4070205@the-hug.org> On 15/08/09 23:10, Dom Latter wrote: > Got a Debian 5.01 box where logging seemed to have stopped. > "/etc/init.d/rsyslogd start" seemed to take care of it. > Why would it stop? Never happened to me before AFAIK. > Should I be worried? > > Further clue - it seemed to stop at exactly the time of the > daily cron job. Sounds like log rotation is screwing it then. Take a look at the log rotate script or scripts in there and try hand cranking them. -- Paul From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 11:25:51 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:25:51 +0100 Subject: Where's me logging? In-Reply-To: <4A87BE01.4070205@the-hug.org> References: <4A87326F.7000002@latter.org> <4A87BE01.4070205@the-hug.org> Message-ID: 2009/8/16 Paul Oldham : > On 15/08/09 23:10, Dom Latter wrote: [...] >> Further clue - it seemed to stop at exactly the time of the >> daily cron job. > > Sounds like log rotation is screwing it then. Take a look at the log > rotate script or scripts in there and try hand cranking them. What about free space on partition involved in loging? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From onepoint at starurchin.org Sun Aug 16 20:47:47 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:47:47 +0100 Subject: Q: what files to version control in an autoconf-ed project? Message-ID: <20090816184747.GA3200@omphalos.singularity> Question: if your C/C++ project is built with autoconf/automake etc., which files should you put under version control? Answer (or so I thought): run "make maintainer-clean" and commit everything that is left. But that still leaves the configure and Makefile.in files even though they are generated from other files. Should they be under version control or not? If I delete just the configure script then autoconf regenerates it, so I guess it's OK not to version control configure and tell developers to run autoconf. Contrariwise, if I delete configure *and* all the Makefile.in files, then autoconf barfs, but autoreconf can complete the build. So, should I refuse to version control the Makefile.in files and tell my (currently hypothetical) developers to run autoreconf? AFAICT most projects don't version control the configure script and tell developers to run autoconf (or some script that wraps autoconf). Is that the way to go? Regards, Jeremy Henty From magnus at therning.org Sun Aug 16 23:25:07 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:25:07 +0100 Subject: Q: what files to version control in an autoconf-ed project? In-Reply-To: <20090816184747.GA3200@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090816184747.GA3200@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Jeremy Henty wrote: > > Question: if your C/C++ ?project is built with autoconf/automake etc., > which files should you put under version control? > > Answer ?(or so ?I ?thought): run ?"make ?maintainer-clean" and ?commit > everything ?that is ?left. ?But ?that still ?leaves the ?configure and > Makefile.in ?files even though ?they are ?generated from ?other files. > Should they be under version control or not? > > If I delete just the configure script then autoconf regenerates it, so > I guess it's ?OK not to version control ?configure and tell developers > to run ?autoconf. ?Contrariwise, if ?I delete configure *and* ?all the > Makefile.in files, ?then autoconf ?barfs, but autoreconf ?can complete > the build. ? So, should ?I refuse to ?version control ?the Makefile.in > files ?and ? tell ?my ?(currently ?hypothetical) ? developers ?to ?run > autoreconf? > > AFAICT most ?projects don't version ?control the configure ?script and > tell developers to run autoconf ?(or some script that wraps autoconf). > Is that the way to go? These are the files I tend to check in in Gnome-related stuff: AUTHORS Makefile.am README autogen.sh ChangeLog NEWS TODO configure.ac You might want a few other files depending on your usage of autoconf and libtool, but I don't have stuff around that does anything other than basic stuff. If you want some more info take a loot at what files are checked into some large project, Gnome should have few to choose between. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From onepoint at starurchin.org Tue Aug 18 08:23:12 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:23:12 +0100 Subject: Q: what files to version control in an autoconf-ed project? In-Reply-To: References: <20090816184747.GA3200@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090818062312.GA7599@omphalos.singularity> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:25:07PM +0100, Magnus Therning wrote: > These are the files I tend to check in in Gnome-related stuff: > > AUTHORS > Makefile.am > README > autogen.sh > ChangeLog > NEWS > TODO > configure.ac > > You might want a few other files depending on your usage of autoconf > and libtool, but I don't have stuff around that does anything other > than basic stuff. So you're checking in the absolute minimum, no generated files at all? I guess that makes sense, particularly as I've seen projects suffer unnecessary conflicts when generated files were checked in. I still find it odd that "make maintainer-clean" leaves some generated files behind. You'd think it obvious to have a clean target that really wipes the slate clean and I'm surprised autotools doesn't provide it, given their "everything plus the kitchen sink" approach. Cheers, Jeremy Henty From onepoint at starurchin.org Tue Aug 18 08:25:12 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:25:12 +0100 Subject: Petition to apologize for the prosecution of Alan Turing Message-ID: <20090818062512.GB7599@omphalos.singularity> Thought this might be of interest: Petition to apologize for the prosecution of Alan Turing that led to his untimely death. http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/turing/ Jeremy Henty From magnus at therning.org Tue Aug 18 09:37:49 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:37:49 +0100 Subject: Q: what files to version control in an autoconf-ed project? In-Reply-To: <20090818062312.GA7599@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090816184747.GA3200@omphalos.singularity> <20090818062312.GA7599@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Jeremy Henty wrote: > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:25:07PM +0100, Magnus Therning wrote: > >> These are the files I tend to check in in Gnome-related stuff: >> >> AUTHORS >> Makefile.am >> README >> autogen.sh >> ChangeLog >> NEWS >> TODO >> configure.ac >> >> You might want a few other files depending on your usage of autoconf >> and libtool, but I don't ?have stuff around that does anything other >> than basic stuff. > > So you're checking in the absolute minimum, no generated files at all? > I guess ?that makes sense, ?particularly as I've seen ?projects suffer > unnecessary conflicts ?when generated files were checked ?in. ?I still > find it ?odd that "make maintainer-clean" leaves ?some generated files > behind. ?You'd ?think it ?obvious to have ?a clean target ?that really > wipes the slate clean and ?I'm surprised autotools doesn't provide it, > given their "everything plus the kitchen sink" approach. Yes, checking in the absolute minimum is the only way to go. In some cases I even don't check in files that can be automatically created using 'autoreconf -i'. Checking in any files that are created or modified as part of the build is a recipe for disaster in my book. Source-level distribution is another matter, there I come down on the side of what the auto-tools do. You are right in thinking that maintainer-clean doesn't clean as much as it could. I can't begin to understand why they've decided to _not_ include a target that cleans _everything_. It is one reason why I tend to reach for CMake nowadays. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From onepoint at starurchin.org Wed Aug 19 08:52:56 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:52:56 +0100 Subject: Q: what files to version control in an autoconf-ed project? In-Reply-To: References: <20090816184747.GA3200@omphalos.singularity> <20090818062312.GA7599@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090819065256.GL7599@omphalos.singularity> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 08:37:49AM +0100, Magnus Therning wrote: > Yes, checking in the absolute minimum is the only way to go. In > some cases I even don't check in files that can be automatically > created using 'autoreconf -i'. OK, I've decided that's the way to go. Jeremy Henty From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 23:11:48 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:11:48 +0100 Subject: Linux Works in Cambridge Message-ID: Hi, Some time ago I started a Google Maps which I called "Linux Jobs in Cambridge". Recently, I decided that "Linux Works in Cambridge" would be better description to data collected on the map - organization where Linux is somehow in use (more or less). This map might be helpful during Free Software Day to show people how important part of software ecosystem is Linux and Foss in general and Cambridge landscape in particular. Finally, if you find anything wrong or missing please let me know or change/add it yourself (but some people complained that was impossible). http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=116257976395264086847.0004593ed5b1f40f48fd4&z=13 Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 14:19:20 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:19:20 +0100 Subject: Linux Works in Cambridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/8/23 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : [...] > Finally, if you find anything wrong or missing please let me know or > change/add it yourself (but some people complained that was > impossible). Paul Oldham showed that it's possible. > http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=116257976395264086847.0004593ed5b1f40f48fd4&z=13 I've already got some feedback. The one I think might be interesting for many beer lovers here: Paul Boggia wrote to me: > I just want you to know that I have remastered Linux to produce a kiosk type environment, and it is now used in one of my businesses (The Kingston > Arms Freehouse) to offer free internet access in our bar! Maybe you could include it on the map? So it seems that next time you want to speak about Linux (especially with not hackers) Kingston Arms can be good place, as you will be able to show what are you talking about. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From paul at the-hug.org Tue Aug 25 18:19:50 2009 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:19:50 +0100 Subject: Linux Works in Cambridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A940F26.3090903@the-hug.org> On 25/08/09 13:19, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > 2009/8/23 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : > > [...] >> Finally, if you find anything wrong or missing please let me know or >> change/add it yourself (but some people complained that was >> impossible). > > Paul Oldham showed that it's possible. Yeah, you just have to be logged in to Google first. -- Paul From johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk Tue Aug 25 18:34:14 2009 From: johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk (Johnnie Ingram) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:34:14 +0100 Subject: JOB: Java/PHP web developer Message-ID: <4A941286.9040304@moviestorm.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Afternoon all. Since this list has in the past been used for penguin-oriented job postings, I figured nobody would object if I mentioned another one. Apologies if I'm breaking list etiquette. I'm looking for a good, all-round Java/PHP web developer with the following skills: * HTML, XHTML, CSS, XML, JavaScript and AJAX * Java Servlet development, LAMP, Tomcat * Third party API integration and/or API development The successful Developer will come from a strong programming background with technologies such as C, C++ or Java as well as PHP. You will have proven experience in the development and adaptation of content management systems (CMS) and the development of other web applications in Java and PHP. You should be able to demonstrate awareness of PHP security and cross-browser development issues and have a track record of keeping up-to-date with the latest technologies and possess an awareness of accessibility standards and W3C. You should also have an understanding of Apache HTTP and Tomcat web server maintenance and set-up. Experience developing e-commerce solutions would also be highly desirable. Give me a poke via johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk if you're interested, or if you want more details. The official vacancy listing hasn't gone online yet, so this is only really a rough guide as to what we're after. Cheers, - -- ___________________ Johnnie Ingram Product Manager Short Fuze Limited ___________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkqUEoUACgkQ4J4LFInQ/fNc7gCeNrXhz/zXWx9R9/UERH3W/m9g i10An09LSAUhE+/Q0TtE7B4q28kKQ9eA =Z1OF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: johnnie_ingram.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 336 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090825/26cfda2d/attachment-0002.vcf From dom at latter.org Fri Aug 7 12:09:10 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:09:10 +0200 Subject: wvdial + USB modem + Ubuntu Message-ID: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> I've got a USB 3G modem (WM66) and a laptop running Ubuntu 9.04. The modem works fine when I boot my Windows 2000 partition. In linux I do these: sudo usb_modeswitch sudo /sbin/modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1c9e product=0x6061 sudo rmmod usb-storage sudo wvdial hsdpa and on the last get this output: --> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.60 --> Cannot get information for serial port. --> Initializing modem. --> Sending: AT+CFUN=1 AT+CFUN=1 OK --> Sending: ATZ ATZ OK --> Sending: ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 OK --> Sending: AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internetmas","",0,0 AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internetmas","",0,0 OK --> Modem initialized. --> Sending: ATDT*99# --> Waiting for carrier. ATDT*99# --> Timed out while dialing. Trying again. --> Sending: ATDT*99# --> Waiting for carrier. ATDT*99# ERROR --> Invalid dial command. --> Disconnecting at Fri Aug 7 00:42:01 2009 My wvdial.conf: [Dialer Defaults] Init1 = AT+CFUN=1 Init2 = ATZ Init3 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 Modem Type = USB Modem ISDN = 0 Modem = /dev/ttyUSB2 Baud = 9600 [Dialer hsdpa] Init4 = AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internetmas","",0,0 Baud = 460800 Username = off Password = off New PPPD = yes Phone = *99# Dial Command = ATDT Stupid Mode = 1 Carrier Check = no Remote Name = "*" I've tried lots of things, e.g. ATDT*99***1#, and without "Stupid Mode", etc. I can also talk directly to the modem ("screen /dev/ttyUSB2"), for example: AT+CSQ +CSQ: 11,91 OK ATI Manufacturer: LONGCHEER HOLDINGS LIMITED Model: HSDPA USB MODEM Revision: LQA0011.1.1_M531C IMEI: 356685023008962 +GCAP: +CGSM,+DS,+ES I've also tried sniffing the USB port under Windows to see what AT commands are used and then replicating these - still no joy. From paul at peck.org.uk Fri Aug 7 13:54:40 2009 From: paul at peck.org.uk (Paul Hardwick) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:54:40 +0100 Subject: wvdial + USB modem + Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> References: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> Message-ID: <4A7C1600.9040609@peck.org.uk> Dom Latter wrote: > I've got a USB 3G modem (WM66) and a laptop running Ubuntu 9.04. > > The modem works fine when I boot my Windows 2000 partition. > > > In linux I do these: > sudo usb_modeswitch > sudo /sbin/modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1c9e product=0x6061 > sudo rmmod usb-storage > sudo wvdial hsdpa > > and on the last get this output: > > --> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.60 > --> Cannot get information for serial port. > --> Initializing modem. > --> Sending: AT+CFUN=1 > AT+CFUN=1 > OK > --> Sending: ATZ > ATZ > OK > --> Sending: ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 > ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 > OK > --> Sending: AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internetmas","",0,0 > AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internetmas","",0,0 > OK > --> Modem initialized. > --> Sending: ATDT*99# > --> Waiting for carrier. > ATDT*99# > > > > --> Timed out while dialing. Trying again. > --> Sending: ATDT*99# > --> Waiting for carrier. > ATDT*99# > ERROR > --> Invalid dial command. > --> Disconnecting at Fri Aug 7 00:42:01 2009 > > My wvdial.conf: > > [Dialer Defaults] > Init1 = AT+CFUN=1 > Init2 = ATZ > Init3 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 > Modem Type = USB Modem > ISDN = 0 > Modem = /dev/ttyUSB2 > Baud = 9600 > > [Dialer hsdpa] > Init4 = AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internetmas","",0,0 > Baud = 460800 > Username = off > Password = off > New PPPD = yes > Phone = *99# > Dial Command = ATDT > Stupid Mode = 1 > Carrier Check = no > Remote Name = "*" > > I've tried lots of things, e.g. ATDT*99***1#, and without "Stupid Mode", etc. > > I can also talk directly to the modem ("screen /dev/ttyUSB2"), for example: > > AT+CSQ > +CSQ: 11,91 > > OK > ATI > Manufacturer: LONGCHEER HOLDINGS LIMITED > Model: HSDPA USB MODEM > Revision: LQA0011.1.1_M531C > IMEI: 356685023008962 > +GCAP: +CGSM,+DS,+ES > > I've also tried sniffing the USB port under Windows to see what AT commands are used > and then replicating these - still no joy. > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > Hi Dom, What other ports have been created? I would try configuring wvdial for /dev/ttyUSB0 as that is the port assigned for PPP traditionally with /dev/ttyUSB2 often used for out-of-band control/signalling. The assignment can vary between fw, chipset and device manufacturer. It is common to block AT commands that don't make sense for a specific port. Generally the long form dial command should be more universal. Use any modem terminal program to connect to the port - if your dial command works then you will see the console fill with garbage characters. For devices that have a more advanced packet type interfaces but still offering PPP as legacy support then the PPP interface will be some other port like ttyUSB3 I guess you are in Spain or are roaming in the UK with a Spanish SIM? Paul H www.pharscape.org From dom at latter.org Fri Aug 7 14:21:38 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:21:38 +0200 Subject: wvdial + USB modem + Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4A7C1600.9040609@peck.org.uk> References: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> <4A7C1600.9040609@peck.org.uk> Message-ID: <4A7C1C52.8010905@latter.org> Paul Hardwick wrote: > What other ports have been created? I would try configuring wvdial for > /dev/ttyUSB0 as that is the port assigned for PPP traditionally with > /dev/ttyUSB2 often used for out-of-band control/signalling. The I got the idea from somewhere that USB2 was the one. I shall try now. [fx: wild cheering] Excellent, thanks. Could have sworn I tried USB0 already. The stumbling block I suppose is understanding why (or knowing that) *some* AT commands would work but not others - from a naive point of view once you've sent various init strings you expect the dial to work too. > I guess you are in Spain or are roaming in the UK with a Spanish SIM? In Spain. Next up... I collect email (for this domain) using IMAP. Quite a lot of spam gets through (hundreds don't). To save bandwidth would it be better IYO to check the account first with webmail and delete spam on the server? From paul at peck.org.uk Fri Aug 7 14:43:22 2009 From: paul at peck.org.uk (Paul Hardwick) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:43:22 +0100 Subject: wvdial + USB modem + Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4A7C1C52.8010905@latter.org> References: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> <4A7C1600.9040609@peck.org.uk> <4A7C1C52.8010905@latter.org> Message-ID: <4A7C216A.8030005@peck.org.uk> Dom Latter wrote: > Paul Hardwick wrote: > > >> What other ports have been created? I would try configuring wvdial for >> /dev/ttyUSB0 as that is the port assigned for PPP traditionally with >> /dev/ttyUSB2 often used for out-of-band control/signalling. The >> > > I got the idea from somewhere that USB2 was the one. > > I shall try now. > > [fx: wild cheering] > > Excellent, thanks. Could have sworn I tried USB0 already. > > The stumbling block I suppose is understanding why (or knowing that) *some* AT > commands would work but not others - from a naive point of view once you've > sent various init strings you expect the dial to work too. > > >> I guess you are in Spain or are roaming in the UK with a Spanish SIM? >> > > In Spain. > > Next up... > > I collect email (for this domain) using IMAP. Quite a lot of spam gets through > (hundreds don't). To save bandwidth would it be better IYO to check the account > first with webmail and delete spam on the server? > Its not my area but if I understand IMAP correctly then some clients can be configured so only message headers are initially stored locally. So I think your mail client would be able to achieve similar tasks to webmail like deleting without downloading first. > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Aug 7 23:09:04 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:09:04 +0100 Subject: wvdial + USB modem + Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4A7C216A.8030005@peck.org.uk> References: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> <4A7C1600.9040609@peck.org.uk> <4A7C1C52.8010905@latter.org> <4A7C216A.8030005@peck.org.uk> Message-ID: 2009/8/7 Paul Hardwick : > Dom Latter wrote: >> Paul Hardwick wrote: [...] >> Next up... >> >> I collect email (for this domain) using IMAP. ?Quite a lot of spam gets through >> (hundreds don't). ?To save bandwidth would it be better IYO to check the account >> first with webmail and delete spam on the server? >> > Its not my area but if I understand IMAP correctly then some clients can > be configured so only message headers are initially stored locally. So I > think your mail client would be able to achieve similar tasks to webmail > like deleting without downloading first. Or you can even write a script which will check headers for you. I did something what was manipulating gmail account using python imaplib library. I've thought about posting it here, but it's a bit specialist and commented in Polish. However, I can think about preparing short example. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 01:07:54 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 00:07:54 +0100 Subject: wvdial + USB modem + Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <4A7BFD46.4070103@latter.org> <4A7C1600.9040609@peck.org.uk> <4A7C1C52.8010905@latter.org> <4A7C216A.8030005@peck.org.uk> Message-ID: Hi again, > I've thought about posting it here, but it's a bit specialist and > commented in Polish. However, I can think about preparing short > example. I was using this great site which has enough examples: http://www.doughellmann.com/PyMOTW/imaplib/index.html Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From dom at latter.org Sat Aug 8 18:07:25 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:07:25 +0200 Subject: Debian sources gizmo. Message-ID: <4A7DA2BD.4050301@latter.org> I like this: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Mon Aug 10 17:32:27 2009 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:32:27 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day: 19 September In-Reply-To: References: <1394BDF9-161D-4D7C-ABCC-8E25F84D1411@bbsrc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <6756435A-B164-4421-80E8-BBC722A47ABC@bbsrc.ac.uk> Dear All, Just to let you know that I've requested a pitch in the market square for 19th September. I'll let you know once I get confirmation that we actually have the spot. I've also put in a request for a load of Ubuntu CDs to pass out on the day. A bit nearer the date I'll try to sort out some more concrete plans for the day, but if you could all pencil in this date in your diaries if possible that would be great. Is anyone thinking of organising any other events for this years SFD? Cheers Simon. On 13 Jul 2009, at 06:05, Robert Schumann wrote: > 2009/7/7 Simon Andrews > > On 5 Jul 2009, at 22:52, Robert Schumann wrote: > > Hi all, > > SFD is in two months' time. Would you like to inject some > imagination into the event? > > I have already registered a team for Cambridge SFD, but > unfortunately I'm not going to be in the country on the day; hence > I'm looking for someone to organise. As those who have participated > in previous years can testify, the effort involved is anywhere from > minimal to as much as you want! > > I'm happy to get involved again. The stall in the market place has > gone down well for the last couple of years and I think it would be > worth repeating that event even if people want to organise other > things as well. > > I notice that software freedom day coincides with international > speak like a pirate day - should we make something of this? "Don't > be a pirate - use free software!" > > Whoever's organising (Simon?) should go here and fill in a form for > a Saturday stall. > > There has been some discussion/consternation at the coincidence of > SFD with this somewhat bizarre "speak like a pirate day" - is it > good or is it bad for SFD? The "Don't be a pirate" spin is a pretty > good one. > > Robert. > > > > TTFN > > Simon. > > -- > Simon Andrews PhD > Babraham Bioinformatics > www.bioinformatics.bbsrc.ac.uk > simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk > +44 (0) 1223 496463 > > > > > > From Robert.Easthope at hf-uk.com Tue Aug 11 12:07:00 2009 From: Robert.Easthope at hf-uk.com (Robert Easthope) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:07:00 +0100 Subject: Meeting up on Sunday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1E439417A807BC4986B920F69A828CCA02F168CF@hfukexchange.hfuk.com> Hi, Just wondering if anyone plans to come along to CB2 on Saturday, the website says 1pm but have turned up before and no one was there so thought I'd e-mail and ask. Would be good to have a chat. Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org [mailto:clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org] On Behalf Of clug-request at cambridge-lug.org Sent: 11 August 2009 11:00 To: clug at cambridge-lug.org Subject: CLUG Digest, Vol 72, Issue 3 Send CLUG mailing list submissions to clug at cambridge-lug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.infowares.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/clug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to clug-request at cambridge-lug.org You can reach the person managing the list at clug-owner at cambridge-lug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of CLUG digest..." * Important Notice * Hachette Filipacchi (UK) Ltd routinely monitors all communications to and from the business. If you are not the intended recipient, you should return this email immediately, destroy this copy, or forward to the HR department. * Legal Notice * This email should only read by the addressee, if you have received this email, and your were not the intended recipient, you should destroy the copy immediately, or return the copy by post to our registered office, detailed below. Hachette Filipacchi (UK) Ltd, routinely monitors all communications to and from its business systems. Operating Address and Registered Office - ------------------------------------- Hachette Filipacchi UK Ltd 64 North Row London W1K 7LL Company Number : 4474102 Vat Number : 927 3001 49 Tel : 020 7150 7000 From dom at latter.org Sun Aug 16 00:10:55 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 00:10:55 +0200 Subject: Where's me logging? Message-ID: <4A87326F.7000002@latter.org> Got a Debian 5.01 box where logging seemed to have stopped. "/etc/init.d/rsyslogd start" seemed to take care of it. Why would it stop? Never happened to me before AFAIK. Should I be worried? Further clue - it seemed to stop at exactly the time of the daily cron job. From paul at the-hug.org Sun Aug 16 10:06:25 2009 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:06:25 +0100 Subject: Where's me logging? In-Reply-To: <4A87326F.7000002@latter.org> References: <4A87326F.7000002@latter.org> Message-ID: <4A87BE01.4070205@the-hug.org> On 15/08/09 23:10, Dom Latter wrote: > Got a Debian 5.01 box where logging seemed to have stopped. > "/etc/init.d/rsyslogd start" seemed to take care of it. > Why would it stop? Never happened to me before AFAIK. > Should I be worried? > > Further clue - it seemed to stop at exactly the time of the > daily cron job. Sounds like log rotation is screwing it then. Take a look at the log rotate script or scripts in there and try hand cranking them. -- Paul From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 11:25:51 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:25:51 +0100 Subject: Where's me logging? In-Reply-To: <4A87BE01.4070205@the-hug.org> References: <4A87326F.7000002@latter.org> <4A87BE01.4070205@the-hug.org> Message-ID: 2009/8/16 Paul Oldham : > On 15/08/09 23:10, Dom Latter wrote: [...] >> Further clue - it seemed to stop at exactly the time of the >> daily cron job. > > Sounds like log rotation is screwing it then. Take a look at the log > rotate script or scripts in there and try hand cranking them. What about free space on partition involved in loging? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From onepoint at starurchin.org Sun Aug 16 20:47:47 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:47:47 +0100 Subject: Q: what files to version control in an autoconf-ed project? Message-ID: <20090816184747.GA3200@omphalos.singularity> Question: if your C/C++ project is built with autoconf/automake etc., which files should you put under version control? Answer (or so I thought): run "make maintainer-clean" and commit everything that is left. But that still leaves the configure and Makefile.in files even though they are generated from other files. Should they be under version control or not? If I delete just the configure script then autoconf regenerates it, so I guess it's OK not to version control configure and tell developers to run autoconf. Contrariwise, if I delete configure *and* all the Makefile.in files, then autoconf barfs, but autoreconf can complete the build. So, should I refuse to version control the Makefile.in files and tell my (currently hypothetical) developers to run autoreconf? AFAICT most projects don't version control the configure script and tell developers to run autoconf (or some script that wraps autoconf). Is that the way to go? Regards, Jeremy Henty From magnus at therning.org Sun Aug 16 23:25:07 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:25:07 +0100 Subject: Q: what files to version control in an autoconf-ed project? In-Reply-To: <20090816184747.GA3200@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090816184747.GA3200@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Jeremy Henty wrote: > > Question: if your C/C++ ?project is built with autoconf/automake etc., > which files should you put under version control? > > Answer ?(or so ?I ?thought): run ?"make ?maintainer-clean" and ?commit > everything ?that is ?left. ?But ?that still ?leaves the ?configure and > Makefile.in ?files even though ?they are ?generated from ?other files. > Should they be under version control or not? > > If I delete just the configure script then autoconf regenerates it, so > I guess it's ?OK not to version control ?configure and tell developers > to run ?autoconf. ?Contrariwise, if ?I delete configure *and* ?all the > Makefile.in files, ?then autoconf ?barfs, but autoreconf ?can complete > the build. ? So, should ?I refuse to ?version control ?the Makefile.in > files ?and ? tell ?my ?(currently ?hypothetical) ? developers ?to ?run > autoreconf? > > AFAICT most ?projects don't version ?control the configure ?script and > tell developers to run autoconf ?(or some script that wraps autoconf). > Is that the way to go? These are the files I tend to check in in Gnome-related stuff: AUTHORS Makefile.am README autogen.sh ChangeLog NEWS TODO configure.ac You might want a few other files depending on your usage of autoconf and libtool, but I don't have stuff around that does anything other than basic stuff. If you want some more info take a loot at what files are checked into some large project, Gnome should have few to choose between. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From onepoint at starurchin.org Tue Aug 18 08:23:12 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:23:12 +0100 Subject: Q: what files to version control in an autoconf-ed project? In-Reply-To: References: <20090816184747.GA3200@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090818062312.GA7599@omphalos.singularity> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:25:07PM +0100, Magnus Therning wrote: > These are the files I tend to check in in Gnome-related stuff: > > AUTHORS > Makefile.am > README > autogen.sh > ChangeLog > NEWS > TODO > configure.ac > > You might want a few other files depending on your usage of autoconf > and libtool, but I don't have stuff around that does anything other > than basic stuff. So you're checking in the absolute minimum, no generated files at all? I guess that makes sense, particularly as I've seen projects suffer unnecessary conflicts when generated files were checked in. I still find it odd that "make maintainer-clean" leaves some generated files behind. You'd think it obvious to have a clean target that really wipes the slate clean and I'm surprised autotools doesn't provide it, given their "everything plus the kitchen sink" approach. Cheers, Jeremy Henty From onepoint at starurchin.org Tue Aug 18 08:25:12 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:25:12 +0100 Subject: Petition to apologize for the prosecution of Alan Turing Message-ID: <20090818062512.GB7599@omphalos.singularity> Thought this might be of interest: Petition to apologize for the prosecution of Alan Turing that led to his untimely death. http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/turing/ Jeremy Henty From magnus at therning.org Tue Aug 18 09:37:49 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:37:49 +0100 Subject: Q: what files to version control in an autoconf-ed project? In-Reply-To: <20090818062312.GA7599@omphalos.singularity> References: <20090816184747.GA3200@omphalos.singularity> <20090818062312.GA7599@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Jeremy Henty wrote: > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:25:07PM +0100, Magnus Therning wrote: > >> These are the files I tend to check in in Gnome-related stuff: >> >> AUTHORS >> Makefile.am >> README >> autogen.sh >> ChangeLog >> NEWS >> TODO >> configure.ac >> >> You might want a few other files depending on your usage of autoconf >> and libtool, but I don't ?have stuff around that does anything other >> than basic stuff. > > So you're checking in the absolute minimum, no generated files at all? > I guess ?that makes sense, ?particularly as I've seen ?projects suffer > unnecessary conflicts ?when generated files were checked ?in. ?I still > find it ?odd that "make maintainer-clean" leaves ?some generated files > behind. ?You'd ?think it ?obvious to have ?a clean target ?that really > wipes the slate clean and ?I'm surprised autotools doesn't provide it, > given their "everything plus the kitchen sink" approach. Yes, checking in the absolute minimum is the only way to go. In some cases I even don't check in files that can be automatically created using 'autoreconf -i'. Checking in any files that are created or modified as part of the build is a recipe for disaster in my book. Source-level distribution is another matter, there I come down on the side of what the auto-tools do. You are right in thinking that maintainer-clean doesn't clean as much as it could. I can't begin to understand why they've decided to _not_ include a target that cleans _everything_. It is one reason why I tend to reach for CMake nowadays. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From onepoint at starurchin.org Wed Aug 19 08:52:56 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:52:56 +0100 Subject: Q: what files to version control in an autoconf-ed project? In-Reply-To: References: <20090816184747.GA3200@omphalos.singularity> <20090818062312.GA7599@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090819065256.GL7599@omphalos.singularity> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 08:37:49AM +0100, Magnus Therning wrote: > Yes, checking in the absolute minimum is the only way to go. In > some cases I even don't check in files that can be automatically > created using 'autoreconf -i'. OK, I've decided that's the way to go. Jeremy Henty From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 23:11:48 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:11:48 +0100 Subject: Linux Works in Cambridge Message-ID: Hi, Some time ago I started a Google Maps which I called "Linux Jobs in Cambridge". Recently, I decided that "Linux Works in Cambridge" would be better description to data collected on the map - organization where Linux is somehow in use (more or less). This map might be helpful during Free Software Day to show people how important part of software ecosystem is Linux and Foss in general and Cambridge landscape in particular. Finally, if you find anything wrong or missing please let me know or change/add it yourself (but some people complained that was impossible). http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=116257976395264086847.0004593ed5b1f40f48fd4&z=13 Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From wawrzek at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 14:19:20 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:19:20 +0100 Subject: Linux Works in Cambridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/8/23 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : [...] > Finally, if you find anything wrong or missing please let me know or > change/add it yourself (but some people complained that was > impossible). Paul Oldham showed that it's possible. > http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=116257976395264086847.0004593ed5b1f40f48fd4&z=13 I've already got some feedback. The one I think might be interesting for many beer lovers here: Paul Boggia wrote to me: > I just want you to know that I have remastered Linux to produce a kiosk type environment, and it is now used in one of my businesses (The Kingston > Arms Freehouse) to offer free internet access in our bar! Maybe you could include it on the map? So it seems that next time you want to speak about Linux (especially with not hackers) Kingston Arms can be good place, as you will be able to show what are you talking about. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From paul at the-hug.org Tue Aug 25 18:19:50 2009 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:19:50 +0100 Subject: Linux Works in Cambridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A940F26.3090903@the-hug.org> On 25/08/09 13:19, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > 2009/8/23 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski : > > [...] >> Finally, if you find anything wrong or missing please let me know or >> change/add it yourself (but some people complained that was >> impossible). > > Paul Oldham showed that it's possible. Yeah, you just have to be logged in to Google first. -- Paul From johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk Tue Aug 25 18:34:14 2009 From: johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk (Johnnie Ingram) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:34:14 +0100 Subject: JOB: Java/PHP web developer Message-ID: <4A941286.9040304@moviestorm.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Afternoon all. Since this list has in the past been used for penguin-oriented job postings, I figured nobody would object if I mentioned another one. Apologies if I'm breaking list etiquette. I'm looking for a good, all-round Java/PHP web developer with the following skills: * HTML, XHTML, CSS, XML, JavaScript and AJAX * Java Servlet development, LAMP, Tomcat * Third party API integration and/or API development The successful Developer will come from a strong programming background with technologies such as C, C++ or Java as well as PHP. You will have proven experience in the development and adaptation of content management systems (CMS) and the development of other web applications in Java and PHP. You should be able to demonstrate awareness of PHP security and cross-browser development issues and have a track record of keeping up-to-date with the latest technologies and possess an awareness of accessibility standards and W3C. You should also have an understanding of Apache HTTP and Tomcat web server maintenance and set-up. Experience developing e-commerce solutions would also be highly desirable. Give me a poke via johnnie.ingram at moviestorm.co.uk if you're interested, or if you want more details. The official vacancy listing hasn't gone online yet, so this is only really a rough guide as to what we're after. 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