From clug@hidden Wed Apr 1 08:17:56 2009 From: clug@hidden (Julian Price) Date: Wed Apr 1 10:15:45 2009 Subject: Twinned Hosting Message-ID: <49D30714.2090303@jul17pri.co.uk> Hello CLUG members I'm a systems administrator and web developer for inCharge (See http://www.inCharge.co.uk) using CentOS and virtualization as a platform for small business web hosting. There must be a lot of people trying to achieve exactly the same thing as me: an efficient, robust, secure, low maintenance, cost-effective hosting platform for small businesses / organisations. I think there's a much better way to meet these goals than the usual web server setup with incremental backups. But it has taken weeks of FAQs and HowTos to get where I am and it has been fun, but it's not for everyone, and I still have a long way to go. So I'm starting a project to develop a methodology called 'Twinned Hosting' and written about here: http://julianprice.org.uk so that 1) admins that want to achieve the same goal can collaborate 2) more admins will adopt the methodology and test it for us 3) The concept, scripts and documentation can be scrutinised and refined over time in the Open Source tradition. I'm working on the scripts and documentation (e.g. http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/BackupKVMGuest) and looking for people who would like to collaborate on the project. (See the ToDo section) I'm also grateful for any feedback, especially if you think there's a better way or a fatal flaw or it's already been done. Thanks, Julian Price -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090401/1b9c07d1/attachment.htm From myrtti@hidden Wed Apr 1 14:26:59 2009 From: myrtti@hidden (Miia Ranta) Date: Wed Apr 1 12:27:40 2009 Subject: this Sunday CLUG meet happening? In-Reply-To: <73765a140903251220i4ea48509wa9ec5815f297517@mail.gmail.com> References: <73765a140903251220i4ea48509wa9ec5815f297517@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <73765a140904010326h6c71a238x3ba2b9c989eed1ec@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/25 Miia Ranta : > Hello! > > Is there any definite attendees for this Sundays meetup? Quite unsurprisingly, there was absolutely nobody else... Miia "Myrtti" Ranta -- GCS/ED/FA/H/P/S/L/O d- s:+ a28 C++ UL+ P+ L+++ E W+++ N+ o K+ w+(---) !O M?>+ V? PS++>$ PE>$ Y+ PGP- t+ 5+++ X+ R tv- b+++ DI++++ D-- G e>+++ h- r++ x+* From clug@hidden Wed Apr 1 12:30:34 2009 From: clug@hidden (David Thorne) Date: Wed Apr 1 12:30:46 2009 Subject: this Sunday CLUG meet happening? In-Reply-To: <73765a140904010326h6c71a238x3ba2b9c989eed1ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <73765a140903251220i4ea48509wa9ec5815f297517@mail.gmail.com> <73765a140904010326h6c71a238x3ba2b9c989eed1ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D3424A.5040004@the-thornes.co.uk> The Sunday meeting is usually the 2nd Sunday of each month so Aprils will be 12th - which happens to be Easter Sunday so nothing will be open. I can do this Sunday or I can do the 19th. Is that good for anyone? Dave Miia Ranta wrote: > 2009/3/25 Miia Ranta : > >> Hello! >> >> Is there any definite attendees for this Sundays meetup? >> > > Quite unsurprisingly, there was absolutely nobody else... > > Miia "Myrtti" Ranta > -- > GCS/ED/FA/H/P/S/L/O d- s:+ a28 C++ UL+ P+ L+++ E W+++ N+ o K+ w+(---) > !O M?>+ V? PS++>$ PE>$ Y+ PGP- t+ 5+++ X+ R tv- b+++ DI++++ D-- G > e>+++ h- r++ x+* > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From dom@hidden Wed Apr 1 16:12:19 2009 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Wed Apr 1 15:12:30 2009 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <49D30714.2090303@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49D30714.2090303@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <200904011512.19745.dom@latter.org> On Wednesday 01 April 2009 08:17:56 Julian Price wrote: > So I'm starting a project to develop a methodology called 'Twinned > Hosting' and written about here: http://julianprice.org.uk so that Looking very blank right now but I'm very interested. From clug@hidden Wed Apr 1 14:08:56 2009 From: clug@hidden (Julian Price) Date: Wed Apr 1 16:19:13 2009 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <200904011512.19745.dom@latter.org> References: <49D30714.2090303@jul17pri.co.uk> <200904011512.19745.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <49D35958.7030804@jul17pri.co.uk> Dom Latter wrote: > On Wednesday 01 April 2009 08:17:56 Julian Price wrote: > > >> So I'm starting a project to develop a methodology called 'Twinned >> Hosting' and written about here: http://julianprice.org.uk so that >> > > Looking very blank right now but I'm very interested. > Ah. URL rewriting is not my speciality. I've removed the PermaLinks and the site is back. Thanks Dom. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090401/26da2614/attachment.htm From wawrzek@hidden Wed Apr 1 16:27:40 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed Apr 1 16:27:53 2009 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <49D35958.7030804@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49D30714.2090303@jul17pri.co.uk> <200904011512.19745.dom@latter.org> <49D35958.7030804@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: 2009/4/1 Julian Price : [...] > Ah.?? URL rewriting is not my speciality.? I've removed the PermaLinks and > the site is back. > Much better. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From David.Thorne@hidden Wed Apr 1 18:30:35 2009 From: David.Thorne@hidden (David Thorne) Date: Wed Apr 1 18:31:14 2009 Subject: Systems administration opportunity in Cambridge Message-ID: <49D3A4BA.4263.00D8.0@golleyslater.co.uk> Good afternoon, I am writing to advertise a vacancy we have for a Systems Administrator/Technical Manager at Golley Slater Digital in Histon, Cambridge. Whilst I appreciate that recruitment is not the main focus of this mailing list, with so many people out of work at present I thought an offer of this kind may be of interest to one or more of the readers. If anyone is interested in a permanent position at this successful, expanding marketing agency, please get in touch on 01223 209960 and ask for David Thorne. If you know of anyone who might be interested, please feel free to forward this on. Many thanks, David Thorne David Thorne, MBCS | Technical Manager Golley Slater Digital Tel : 01223 209960 | Fax : 01223 209961 | Mobile : 07816 545248 Golley Slater, Discovery House, Vision Park, Histon Cambridge CB24 9ZR www.golleyslaterdigital.co.uk( http://www.golleyslaterdigital.co.uk/) Golley Slater Group Limited. Registered in England and Wales No. 584047. Registered Office: 12 Margaret Street, London, W1W 8JQ. IMPORTANT NOTICE. Copyright Golley Slater(2007). The concepts and ideas submitted by this Agency are of a confidential nature and are submitted to you on the understanding that they are to be considered by you in the strictest confidence and that no use shall be made of the said concepts and ideas, including communication to a third party, without the Agency's prior consent. This communication is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender. We would be grateful if you would also copy the communication to security@golleyslater.co.ukthen delete the email and destroy any copies of it. From dom@hidden Thu Apr 2 00:37:45 2009 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Wed Apr 1 23:37:58 2009 Subject: Systems administration opportunity in Cambridge In-Reply-To: <49D3A4BA.4263.00D8.0@golleyslater.co.uk> References: <49D3A4BA.4263.00D8.0@golleyslater.co.uk> Message-ID: <200904012337.45635.dom@latter.org> On Wednesday 01 April 2009 18:30:35 David Thorne wrote: > Whilst I appreciate that recruitment is not the main focus of this mailing > list, I've got no problem with it, particularly when done sensitively & sensibly (i.e. like this one). In fact, I'd be very happy to see more, particularly for freelance jobs that can be done remotely . From clug@hidden Fri Apr 3 14:35:46 2009 From: clug@hidden (David Thorne) Date: Fri Apr 3 14:36:02 2009 Subject: [Fwd: Re: this Sunday CLUG meet happening?] Message-ID: <49D602A2.1030806@the-thornes.co.uk> FYI -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: this Sunday CLUG meet happening? Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:06:07 +0100 From: Douglas Willis Reply-To: ddw@bas.ac.uk To: clug@the-thornes.co.uk References: <73765a140903251220i4ea48509wa9ec5815f297517@mail.gmail.com> <73765a140904010326h6c71a238x3ba2b9c989eed1ec@mail.gmail.com> <49D3424A.5040004@the-thornes.co.uk> David Thorne wrote: > The Sunday meeting is usually the 2nd Sunday of each month so Aprils > will be 12th - which happens to be Easter Sunday so nothing will be > open. I can do this Sunday or I can do the 19th. Is that good for anyone? > Dave > > Miia Ranta wrote: >> 2009/3/25 Miia Ranta : >> >>> Hello! >>> >>> Is there any definite attendees for this Sundays meetup? >>> >> Quite unsurprisingly, there was absolutely nobody else... >> >> Miia "Myrtti" Ranta >> -- >> GCS/ED/FA/H/P/S/L/O d- s:+ a28 C++ UL+ P+ L+++ E W+++ N+ o K+ w+(---) >> !O M?>+ V? PS++>$ PE>$ Y+ PGP- t+ 5+++ X+ R tv- b+++ DI++++ D-- G >> e>+++ h- r++ x+* I'm interested in either day. Just some one make a decision for me :-) -- Douglas Willis From sparkle60@hidden Fri Apr 3 16:50:55 2009 From: sparkle60@hidden (b nicolson) Date: Fri Apr 3 16:51:01 2009 Subject: this Sunday CLUG meet happening? Message-ID: <50770.1238770255@uk2.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090403/3715fd53/attachment.htm From clug@hidden Sun Apr 5 08:18:54 2009 From: clug@hidden (Julian Price) Date: Sun Apr 5 09:39:00 2009 Subject: this Sunday CLUG meet happening? In-Reply-To: <50770.1238770255@uk2.net> References: <50770.1238770255@uk2.net> Message-ID: <49D84D4E.6090204@jul17pri.co.uk> b nicolson wrote: > I can probably manage this Sunday (5th) but almost certainly not the > 19th. > Bev. > I'll be there today. By the way... I've been on the list for a couple of months and I did come to one meeting at CB2 but couldn't find you. I was late so maybe you'd gone. I think the sign is essential as not everybody feels comfortable walking around a busy cafe asking everyone if they're into Linux (I almost joined an SWP meeting). If there's no sign, then please let the bar staff know who/where you are. They just shook they heads. Thanks, Julian From clug@hidden Sun Apr 5 17:26:38 2009 From: clug@hidden (David Thorne) Date: Sun Apr 5 17:26:51 2009 Subject: this Sunday CLUG meet happening? In-Reply-To: <49D84D4E.6090204@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <50770.1238770255@uk2.net> <49D84D4E.6090204@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <49D8CDAE.9040407@the-thornes.co.uk> Having said I could make it - I ended upnot being able to. Long story but appologies... Julian Price wrote: > b nicolson wrote: >> I can probably manage this Sunday (5th) but almost certainly not the >> 19th. >> Bev. >> > I'll be there today. > > By the way... > I've been on the list for a couple of months and I did come to one > meeting at CB2 but couldn't find you. I was late so maybe you'd > gone. I think the sign is essential as not everybody feels > comfortable walking around a busy cafe asking everyone if they're into > Linux (I almost joined an SWP meeting). > > If there's no sign, then please let the bar staff know who/where you > are. They just shook they heads. > > Thanks, > Julian > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From clug@hidden Tue Apr 7 00:12:47 2009 From: clug@hidden (Julian Price) Date: Tue Apr 7 01:16:35 2009 Subject: Website (again) Message-ID: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> This is the experience of a Linux newbie like me looking for a Linux community in Cambridge: "Great! there's a Cambridge Linux User Group. Oh dear. The home page's Latest News is 3 years old and it says 'We're very much alive!'. Doesn't sound like it to me. Wait! they have meetings. Oh dear. It says 'Attendees (0)'. Maybe I'll register anyway. Strange! I've filled this form in and submitted it 5 times and it just keeps coming back blank whatever I write. Oh well, I guess this website is dead" I see from the mailing list archives that there has been talk of overhauling the website. In the meantime, I agree with people who have said it would be better to have a single static web page. Maybe have a link to the old site for anyone who wants to read the old articles. This works perfectly well for other local groups like Refresh who have a good turnout to their monthly meetings. Nobody asks why a web design group has a one page website, as long as they can find the mailing list and the meetings. http://www.refreshcambridge.org/ This has been going on for years... http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005702.html ...and someone has even posted the HTML page: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html In my experience, the current website is doing more harm than good, unless you want to scare off new members. Thanks, Julian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090406/f6d5dada/attachment.htm From tom-lists-clug2@hidden Tue Apr 7 10:00:03 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Tue Apr 7 10:00:12 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090407080003.GA3986@weber> On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:12:47PM +0100, Julian Price wrote: > I see from the mailing list archives that there has been talk of > overhauling the website. Yeah can we just take the current website down and replace it with a wiki, immediately? The wiki might suffice and it will at least tide us over while we discuss what to replace it with. Tom From dan@hidden Tue Apr 7 10:53:10 2009 From: dan@hidden (Dan Ros) Date: Tue Apr 7 10:53:34 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090407080003.GA3986@weber> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407080003.GA3986@weber> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Tom Ellis wrote: > Yeah can we just take the current website down and replace it with a wiki, > immediately? > > The wiki might suffice and it will at least tide us over while we discuss > what to replace it with. Seconded, the ancient dates on the current site will put off newcomers like myself. Nothing says 'dead LUG' like the most recent post being in 2006. An installation of Mediawiki or similar would let interested parties keep it up to date. Might be an idea to turn on registration required to edit pages otherwise it'll be overrun with spam. Dan From dan.bolser@hidden Tue Apr 7 10:58:55 2009 From: dan.bolser@hidden (Dan Bolser) Date: Tue Apr 7 10:59:02 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407080003.GA3986@weber> Message-ID: <2c8757af0904070158g278e29d6ued58e8fea66cd9dc@mail.gmail.com> 2009/4/7 Dan Ros : > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Tom Ellis > wrote: >> Yeah can we just take the current website down and replace it with a wiki, >> immediately? >> >> The wiki might suffice and it will at least tide us over while we discuss >> what to replace it with. > > Seconded, the ancient dates on the current site will put off newcomers > like myself. Nothing says 'dead LUG' like the most recent post being > in 2006. > > An installation of Mediawiki or similar would let interested parties > keep it up to date. Might be an idea to turn on registration required > to edit pages otherwise it'll be overrun with spam. My vote goes for Semantic MediaWiki, with the following policy: 1) anonymous users must *always* be required to solve a captcha, regardless of content added 2) registration requires a capthca 3) registered users are *never* required to solve a captcha, regardless of content added. If you choose MediaWiki, reCapthca is a good choice of capthca. > Dan > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From wawrzek@hidden Tue Apr 7 11:05:28 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Tue Apr 7 11:05:40 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <2c8757af0904070158g278e29d6ued58e8fea66cd9dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407080003.GA3986@weber> <2c8757af0904070158g278e29d6ued58e8fea66cd9dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/4/7 Dan Bolser : > 2009/4/7 Dan Ros : >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Tom Ellis >> wrote: >>> Yeah can we just take the current website down and replace it with a wiki, >>> immediately? Good idea. [...] > 1) anonymous users must *always* be required to solve a captcha, > regardless of content added Do we need anonymous users? [...] Cheers, Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From tom-lists-clug2@hidden Tue Apr 7 11:07:43 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Tue Apr 7 11:07:50 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407080003.GA3986@weber> <2c8757af0904070158g278e29d6ued58e8fea66cd9dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090407090743.GA14400@weber> On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:05:28AM +0100, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Do we need anonymous users? Yes very much so. Having to log in is very discouraging to making edits. Perhaps with time we'll find that editors sign up for accounts, but what we need now is emergency work to get the website functional. From wawrzek@hidden Tue Apr 7 11:09:07 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Tue Apr 7 11:09:19 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: 2009/4/6 Julian Price : [...[ > This has been going on for years... > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005702.html > > ...and someone has even posted the HTML page: > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html > One more thing. Later there was another, half-done project. Last summer or autumn. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From joe.czucha@hidden Tue Apr 7 11:12:03 2009 From: joe.czucha@hidden (Joe Czucha) Date: Tue Apr 7 11:12:14 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> Im sure its taken care of but I have a VPS we can make use of if Wiki hosting if required... Joe ps. Hello by the way, new list member here! Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > 2009/4/6 Julian Price : > > [...[ >> This has been going on for years... >> http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005702.html >> >> ...and someone has even posted the HTML page: >> http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html >> > One more thing. Later there was another, half-done project. Last > summer or autumn. > > Wawrzek > -- Regards, Joe Czucha Web Developer ------------------------------------------------------------------- Studio 24 Ltd, 50 St. Stephen's Place, Cambridge, CB3 0JE e joe.czucha@studio24.net t 0870 241 6159 f 0870 094 0375 w www.studio24.net ------------------------------------------------------------------- For support email us at support@studio24.net View our terms at www.studio24.net/terms/ This email and its attachments may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Studio 24. Studio 24 is a Limited Company registered in England with company number 3971500. Registered office address 39 Parkside, Cambridge, CB1 1PN. ----------------------- where the web works ----------------------- From tom-lists-clug2@hidden Tue Apr 7 11:12:13 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Tue Apr 7 11:12:22 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090407091213.GA15362@weber> On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:12:47PM +0100, Julian Price wrote: > I see from the mailing list archives that there has been talk of > overhauling the website. The next thing to do is to work out who has access to the server, so they can replace the current website with a (potentially temporary) wiki. Tom From tom-lists-clug2@hidden Tue Apr 7 11:55:08 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Tue Apr 7 11:55:13 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> Message-ID: <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:12:03AM +0100, Joe Czucha wrote: > Im sure its taken care of but I have a VPS we can make use of if Wiki > hosting if required... Hi there Joe, and welcome, In the interests of doing things ASAP, could you set up a wiki on your server which we can use for displaying some basic info? Then when we work out who admins the current server we can get a link from the current site to the wiki, or move the wiki across. Cheers, Tom From joe.czucha@hidden Tue Apr 7 12:34:07 2009 From: joe.czucha@hidden (Joe Czucha) Date: Tue Apr 7 12:34:19 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> Message-ID: <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> Hi Tom, No problem - one blank Wiki as requested! http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk (obviously we can move this at a later date or point the DNS at the server so that we can use the 'proper' domain, but this will do for now) I've only just set up the sub-domain so if your DNS hasn't propagated yet, just add: 67.23.8.128 clug.joeczucha.co.uk to your HOSTS file ('/etc/hosts') to view it in the mean time. I'll see if I can turn off anonymous edits etc etc in a bit. Regards, Joe Tom Ellis wrote: > On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:12:03AM +0100, Joe Czucha wrote: >> Im sure its taken care of but I have a VPS we can make use of if Wiki >> hosting if required... > > Hi there Joe, and welcome, > > In the interests of doing things ASAP, could you set up a wiki on your > server which we can use for displaying some basic info? > > Then when we work out who admins the current server we can get a link from > the current site to the wiki, or move the wiki across. > > Cheers, > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org -- Regards, Joe Czucha Web Developer ------------------------------------------------------------------- Studio 24 Ltd, 50 St. Stephen's Place, Cambridge, CB3 0JE e joe.czucha@studio24.net t 0870 241 6159 f 0870 094 0375 w www.studio24.net ------------------------------------------------------------------- For support email us at support@studio24.net View our terms at www.studio24.net/terms/ This email and its attachments may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. 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Registered office address 39 Parkside, Cambridge, CB1 1PN. ----------------------- where the web works ----------------------- From clug@hidden Tue Apr 7 12:10:06 2009 From: clug@hidden (Julian Price) Date: Tue Apr 7 13:40:40 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> Message-ID: <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> > No problem - one blank Wiki as requested! > > http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk Including the one-page HTML site posted before, that makes 4 candidates for the new CLUG site. http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ http://davedev.org/clug/ http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk I know I called for action, but before rushing into anything... 1) At least, we need someone with administrator access to the website. The last mention I can find is here: Jon Green http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005696.html Mark Roberts http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005704.html Jon, Mark, are you reading these messages? Who has access to the domain names / DNS? Is the site still on Thomas Horsten's server? 2) Some agreement about the new site is needed, especially from long-standing and active members. The nature of this list is that could take some days. The discussion is more stilted because of the 'Digest' option. (Please switch this off, even temporarily, if you want to participate in this conversation. http://lists.infowares.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/clug) That's why I suggested a temporary single static HTML page. It can go on the current server and that would be more achievable in the short term. Thanks, Julian From sam.kuper@hidden Tue Apr 7 14:05:45 2009 From: sam.kuper@hidden (Sam Kuper) Date: Tue Apr 7 14:05:55 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <4126b3450904070505s631a87f6h7f46824445b2bdac@mail.gmail.com> 2009/4/7 Julian Price > > 1) At least, we need someone with administrator access to the website. > The last mention I can find is here: > Jon Green > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005696.html > > Mark Roberts > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005704.html > > Jon, Mark, are you reading these messages? > > Who has access to the domain names / DNS? ?Is the site still on Thomas > Horsten's server? There's a much more recent message from Mark Roberts here: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2009-February/007450.html It looks as though he still has shell access to the server. If Mark is able to use that server to replace the existing site with a new one (e.g. a Semantic MediaWiki one, which shouldn't take long to set up with reCaptcha, judging by my own experience of doing this on a shared host a couple of years ago), then this would obviate the need to alter the DNS. However, if that server is problematic in any way (limited expected remaining lifespan; only one CLUG member with an account; etc), then it may be better to make the DNS change and use a different server. Hopefully this won't be deemed necessary, but if it is, I can also offer the use of a hosting package I've already paid for, which has three years left on it and plenty of room for a MediaWiki instance. Because this is with Dreamhost, I think I should be able to set up a shell (or at least sFTP or WebDav) account for CLUG use, meaning I wouldn't be the sole admin. Clearly, Dave Briggs and Joe Czucha also have some hosting capacity, so I'm not the only one offering this; if we decide to abandon the existing server for whatever reason, Dave, Joe, me and anyone else who might be able to host the site should probably each give a breakdown of what we could offer so that the group can decide which option they prefer. This would, anyway, only be possible if we can find out who is able to update the DNS and persuade them to do so... So, if Mark can pick up the baton at this point, archive the existing site and replace it with either a static page pointing to the mailing list or else a MediaWiki install, that would, I think, be the simplest solution. Best, Sam PS. One final note about MediaWiki: if we end up with a MediaWiki instance, whoever is responsible for maintaining it should sign up to the MediaWiki security/updates mailing list, as vulnerabilities do arise in MediaWiki occasionally, and updates have to be installed if the instance is to remain secure. From tom-lists-clug2@hidden Tue Apr 7 16:04:02 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Tue Apr 7 16:04:08 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 11:10:06AM +0100, Julian Price wrote: >> No problem - one blank Wiki as requested! >> http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk > > Including the one-page HTML site posted before, that makes 4 candidates > for the new CLUG site. > > http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ > > http://davedev.org/clug/ > > http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk > > I know I called for action, but before rushing into anything... In the first instance what we set up *has* to be a wiki, so we can actually get on with improving the website rather than just taking about it. How it develops in the future I don't mind, but right now it must be up to date and accurate at least. So, my vote goes for http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk Tom From joe.czucha@hidden Tue Apr 7 16:10:51 2009 From: joe.czucha@hidden (Joe Czucha) Date: Tue Apr 7 16:11:02 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> Message-ID: <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> I'm easy and I don't want to tread on toes - so I'll just leave it online and you can do as you wish with it :) Also I'm not sure who the best person would be but I'm more than happy to hand over the 'admin' credentials to whoever needs them ;) So does this group have more of an emphasis on Linux as a desktop OS, server OS or neither? Which flavours do you guys use? Joe Tom Ellis wrote: > On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 11:10:06AM +0100, Julian Price wrote: >>> No problem - one blank Wiki as requested! >>> http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk >> Including the one-page HTML site posted before, that makes 4 candidates >> for the new CLUG site. >> >> http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ >> >> http://davedev.org/clug/ >> >> http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk >> >> I know I called for action, but before rushing into anything... > > In the first instance what we set up *has* to be a wiki, so we can actually > get on with improving the website rather than just taking about it. > > How it develops in the future I don't mind, but right now it must be up to > date and accurate at least. > > So, my vote goes for http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org -- Regards, Joe Czucha Web Developer ------------------------------------------------------------------- Studio 24 Ltd, 50 St. Stephen's Place, Cambridge, CB3 0JE e joe.czucha@studio24.net t 0870 241 6159 f 0870 094 0375 w www.studio24.net ------------------------------------------------------------------- For support email us at support@studio24.net View our terms at www.studio24.net/terms/ This email and its attachments may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Studio 24. Studio 24 is a Limited Company registered in England with company number 3971500. Registered office address 39 Parkside, Cambridge, CB1 1PN. ----------------------- where the web works ----------------------- From magnus@hidden Tue Apr 7 16:29:23 2009 From: magnus@hidden (Magnus Therning) Date: Tue Apr 7 16:29:30 2009 Subject: Focus of group [Was Re: Website (again)] Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Joe Czucha wrote: > I'm easy and I don't want to tread on toes - so I'll just leave it online > and you can do as you wish with it :) > > Also I'm not sure who the best person would be but I'm more than happy to > hand over the 'admin' credentials to whoever needs them ;) > > So does this group have more of an emphasis on Linux as a desktop OS, server > OS or neither? Which flavours do you guys use? I don't think there's a specific emphasis in the group. Personally I'm using Linux mainly on my desktops, and then for developoment (haskell, python, the odd piece of C code). /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From wawrzek@hidden Tue Apr 7 16:39:36 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Tue Apr 7 16:39:46 2009 Subject: Focus of group [Was Re: Website (again)] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/4/7 Magnus Therning : > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Joe Czucha wrote: [...] >> So does this group have more of an emphasis on Linux as a desktop OS, server >> OS or neither? Which flavours do you guys use? > > I don't think there's a specific emphasis in the group. I agree. Personally I'm using for server at work, for desktop/server at home. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From magnus@hidden Tue Apr 7 19:48:16 2009 From: magnus@hidden (Magnus Therning) Date: Tue Apr 7 19:48:37 2009 Subject: Open Source Petition Message-ID: <49DB91E0.4010809@therning.org> Hi all This strikes me as being a sensible petition to sign. If you have a spare minute, please give it a look: http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/open-source-tic/ "The Department for Communities and Local Government (CLG) is running a project called Timely Information to Citizens (TIC). As part of this project, several local authorities are being given funding totalling approximately ?1m to develop software and web services to improve local information and service provision. While CLG's aim is that these projects are incorporated into a "best practice toolkit", we ask the government to reduce duplication of effort and expense and make this software available for other users at the earliest opportunity by releasing each package on deployment under an OSI-approved open source licence. Though we welcome these projects themselves, as citizens we cannot and do not support this substantial sum of public money being spent to create private, proprietary software." /M -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I guess the pager network is uses(used) has been decommissioned. Are there any active pager networks in 2009 in the UK? From clug@hidden Thu Apr 16 17:22:51 2009 From: clug@hidden (Longman) Date: Thu Apr 16 17:24:48 2009 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync Message-ID: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> What's the best way of keeping an /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow, group etc) in sync between systems which need to have the same accounts? The systems will *not* be on the same network. One will be a private host and one will be a public host (though may need to keep more than two hosts in sync). From =?UTF-8?B?RGluZXNoIFNoYWggKOCqpuCqv+CqqOCrh+CqtiDgqrbgqr7gqrkv4KSm4KS/4KSo4KWH4KS2IA==?= Thu Apr 16 23:27:12 2009 From: =?UTF-8?B?RGluZXNoIFNoYWggKOCqpuCqv+CqqOCrh+CqtiDgqrbgqr7gqrkv4KSm4KS/4KSo4KWH4KS2IA==?= (=?UTF-8?B?RGluZXNoIFNoYWggKOCqpuCqv+CqqOCrh+CqtiDgqrbgqr7gqrkv4KSm4KS/4KSo4KWH4KS2IA==?=) Date: Thu Apr 16 18:57:18 2009 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync In-Reply-To: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> References: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: Longman, On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Longman wrote: > > What's the best way of keeping an /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow, group > etc) in sync between systems which need to have the same accounts? ?The > systems will *not* be on the same network. ?One will be a private host > and one will be a public host (though may need to keep more than two > hosts in sync). Why not use NIS+ or LDAP? With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System +91-98213-11906 Blog: http://dineshah.wordpress.com/ Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dineshah/ From dan@hidden Thu Apr 16 19:06:43 2009 From: dan@hidden (Dan Ros) Date: Thu Apr 16 19:07:08 2009 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync In-Reply-To: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> References: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Longman wrote: > What's the best way of keeping an /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow, group > etc) in sync between systems which need to have the same accounts? ?The > systems will *not* be on the same network. ?One will be a private host > and one will be a public host (though may need to keep more than two > hosts in sync). NIS/LDAP/PAM-MySQL etc are great but might be a bit cumbersome to set up. If you only have a few machines and users, perhaps something as simple as cheduling a nightly scp (with ssh keys) of the relevant files would do the job? You'd want to set one up as the master and the rest as slaves. You'll just have to be careful to only modify users/passwords on the 'master' box. hth, etc. Dan From paul+clug@hidden Thu Apr 16 19:31:46 2009 From: paul+clug@hidden (Paul M) Date: Thu Apr 16 19:32:06 2009 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync In-Reply-To: References: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <49E76B82.7000909@mansfield.co.uk> Dan Ros wrote: > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Longman wrote: >> What's the best way of keeping an /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow, group >> etc) in sync between systems which need to have the same accounts? The >> systems will *not* be on the same network. One will be a private host >> and one will be a public host (though may need to keep more than two >> hosts in sync). > > NIS/LDAP/PAM-MySQL etc are great but might be a bit cumbersome to set up. I believe that multi-master LDAP which actually works should be here soon - a colleague got it working with help from openldap team and fed back the fixes. In combination with forthcoming samba, it'll be a pretty strong contender for people wanting to avoid windows servers! synchronising ssh keys is probably easier than trying to push updated shadow files around! From nix@hidden Thu Apr 16 23:59:45 2009 From: nix@hidden (Nix) Date: Thu Apr 16 23:59:56 2009 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync In-Reply-To: (Dan Ros's message of "Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:06:43 +0100") References: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <87r5zs8dke.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix> On 16 Apr 2009, Dan Ros verbalised: > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Longman wrote: >> What's the best way of keeping an /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow, group >> etc) in sync between systems which need to have the same accounts? ?The >> systems will *not* be on the same network. ?One will be a private host >> and one will be a public host (though may need to keep more than two >> hosts in sync). > > NIS/LDAP/PAM-MySQL etc are great but might be a bit cumbersome to set up. I tried to set up Hesiod a while back. There's native support in glibc and everything, and the idea is lovely, but the way it breaks getpwent() is really annoying. So I'm back to rsync for now. From will.pink@hidden Fri Apr 17 00:40:21 2009 From: will.pink@hidden (william pink) Date: Fri Apr 17 00:40:32 2009 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync In-Reply-To: <87r5zs8dke.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix> References: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> <87r5zs8dke.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix> Message-ID: <7891dd830904161540k67ad94d0tc7438755a527332f@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Nix wrote: > On 16 Apr 2009, Dan Ros verbalised: > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Longman wrote: > >> What's the best way of keeping an /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow, group > >> etc) in sync between systems which need to have the same accounts? The > >> systems will *not* be on the same network. One will be a private host > >> and one will be a public host (though may need to keep more than two > >> hosts in sync). > > > > NIS/LDAP/PAM-MySQL etc are great but might be a bit cumbersome to set up. > > I tried to set up Hesiod a while back. There's native support in glibc > and everything, and the idea is lovely, but the way it breaks getpwent() > is really annoying. So I'm back to rsync for now. > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > Yeah I would of said a Autossh tunnel with a rsync cron job running periodically would do the job -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090416/7ecbd4bd/attachment.htm From magnus@hidden Fri Apr 17 10:28:46 2009 From: magnus@hidden (Magnus Therning) Date: Fri Apr 17 10:28:52 2009 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync In-Reply-To: <7891dd830904161540k67ad94d0tc7438755a527332f@mail.gmail.com> References: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> <87r5zs8dke.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix> <7891dd830904161540k67ad94d0tc7438755a527332f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:40 PM, william pink wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Nix wrote: >> >> On 16 Apr 2009, Dan Ros verbalised: >> >> > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Longman wrote: >> >> What's the best way of keeping an /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow, group >> >> etc) in sync between systems which need to have the same accounts? ?The >> >> systems will *not* be on the same network. ?One will be a private host >> >> and one will be a public host (though may need to keep more than two >> >> hosts in sync). >> > >> > NIS/LDAP/PAM-MySQL etc are great but might be a bit cumbersome to set >> > up. >> >> I tried to set up Hesiod a while back. There's native support in glibc >> and everything, and the idea is lovely, but the way it breaks getpwent() >> is really annoying. So I'm back to rsync for now. >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug@cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > Yeah I would of said a Autossh tunnel with a rsync cron job running > periodically would do the job I'd suggest you take a look at unison if you are planning pushing changes is more than one direction. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From clug@hidden Fri Apr 17 10:52:53 2009 From: clug@hidden (Longman) Date: Fri Apr 17 10:54:42 2009 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync In-Reply-To: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> References: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <49E84365.1030106@gasops.co.uk> Thanks for all the ideas people :-) From onepoint@hidden Fri Apr 17 13:56:17 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri Apr 17 13:56:27 2009 Subject: sciencenews.org access problems Message-ID: <20090417115617.GP3899@omphalos.singularity> Is anyone else having problems accessing sciencenews.org ? DownForEveryoneOrJustMe[1] says it's up but nothing I have can make a connection. Firefox, Dillo, Links, wget: all just hang. I have not noticed problems with any other site. Jeremy Henty [1] http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/sciencenews.org From gareth.pullen@hidden Fri Apr 17 13:59:15 2009 From: gareth.pullen@hidden (Gareth Pullen) Date: Fri Apr 17 13:59:25 2009 Subject: sciencenews.org access problems In-Reply-To: References: <20090417115617.GP3899@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: It's a bit slow for me, but it works from both my work computer and the 3G connection on my G1. Gareth. On Apr 17, 2009 12:56 PM, "Jeremy Henty" wrote: Is anyone else having problems accessing sciencenews.org ? DownForEveryoneOrJustMe[1] says it's up but nothing I have can make a connection. Firefox, Dillo, Links, wget: all just hang. I have not noticed problems with any other site. Jeremy Henty [1] http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/sciencenews.org _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug@cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090417/df1b22dd/attachment.htm From onepoint@hidden Fri Apr 17 14:51:40 2009 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri Apr 17 14:51:55 2009 Subject: sciencenews.org access problems In-Reply-To: References: <20090417115617.GP3899@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090417125140.GS3899@omphalos.singularity> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:59:15PM +0100, Gareth Pullen wrote: > It's a bit slow for me, but it works from both my work computer and the 3G > connection on my G1. It works from my bytemark.co.uk host, but here... $ traceroute sciencenews.org traceroute to sciencenews.org (206.16.247.139), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets send: Operation not permitted How I can debug further? Cheers, Jeremy Henty From clug@hidden Fri Apr 17 20:38:22 2009 From: clug@hidden (Julian Price) Date: Fri Apr 17 20:48:50 2009 Subject: Twinned Hosting Message-ID: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> >> To be honest I don't quite get what it's about. Sounds interesting though. > It needs a diagram really. I have added a diagram to my 'Twinned Hosting' article at... http://www.julianprice.org.uk ...and rewritten it to make it more readable, hopefully. If you are interested in rock-solid low-to-medium traffic web-hosting for dedicated PCs then please give it a read. Anyone interested in implementing such a setup please get in touch. Thanks, Julian From paul+clug@hidden Sat Apr 18 01:40:43 2009 From: paul+clug@hidden (Paul) Date: Sat Apr 18 01:40:58 2009 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <49E9137B.3070802@mansfield.co.uk> Julian Price wrote: >>> To be honest I don't quite get what it's about. Sounds interesting >>> though. >> It needs a diagram really. > > I have added a diagram to my 'Twinned Hosting' article at... > > http://www.julianprice.org.uk > > ...and rewritten it to make it more readable, hopefully. > I'm surprised you didn't suggest using BGP multi-site to ensure that the server was always online and not partial to ISP or network outages. From dan@hidden Sat Apr 18 03:29:29 2009 From: dan@hidden (Dan Ros) Date: Sat Apr 18 03:29:55 2009 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Julian Price wrote: >>> To be honest I don't quite get what it's about. Sounds interesting >>> though. > >> It needs a diagram really. > > I have added a diagram to my 'Twinned Hosting' article at... > > http://www.julianprice.org.uk > > ...and rewritten it to make it more readable, hopefully. > > If you are interested in rock-solid low-to-medium traffic web-hosting for > dedicated PCs then please give it a read. > Few things: If a server fails, it might well have been fixed by the time the administrator has noticed, changed the DNS, and the changes have propagated, Also, only having occasional rsyncs will mean you may still lose data if a server goes down. And a server going down in the middle of a rsync to its mirror could have messy consequences... DRBD might be interesting for you to look at. A safe way to do this with VM's is to use the built in replication/failover features in Xen/VMware. You do tend to need a SAN though. Plus BGP multi-site as has been mentioned already. By the way, what did you use to make the snazzy diagram? Dan From clug@hidden Sat Apr 18 14:35:21 2009 From: clug@hidden (Julian Price) Date: Sat Apr 18 15:07:31 2009 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <49E9137B.3070802@mansfield.co.uk> References: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> <49E9137B.3070802@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <49E9C909.1030709@jul17pri.co.uk> Paul wrote: > Julian Price wrote: >>>> To be honest I don't quite get what it's about. Sounds interesting >>>> though. >>> It needs a diagram really. >> I have added a diagram to my 'Twinned Hosting' article at... >> >> http://www.julianprice.org.uk >> >> ...and rewritten it to make it more readable, hopefully. >> > > > I'm surprised you didn't suggest using BGP multi-site to ensure that the > server was always online and not partial to ISP or network outages. I didn't mention it because I've never heard of it! Sounds interesting though. In my experience, all the routing has been taken care of by the hosting company that provided the dedicated servers. They assign a bunch of IPs to the server and that's all you need to know. One host I use (RapidSwitch) allows IPs to be reassigned between servers via a web-based control panel, but only if the servers are in the same data centre. If I have 2 dedicated servers in 2 different data centres run by 2 different hosting companies, can I use BGP or is that out of my hands? How does it help avoid network outages? Thanks, Julian From clug@hidden Sat Apr 18 15:16:25 2009 From: clug@hidden (Julian Price) Date: Sat Apr 18 15:49:23 2009 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: References: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <49E9D2A9.6090000@jul17pri.co.uk> Dan Ros wrote: > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Julian Price wrote: >>>> To be honest I don't quite get what it's about. Sounds interesting >>>> though. >>> It needs a diagram really. >> I have added a diagram to my 'Twinned Hosting' article at... >> >> http://www.julianprice.org.uk >> >> ...and rewritten it to make it more readable, hopefully. >> >> If you are interested in rock-solid low-to-medium traffic web-hosting for >> dedicated PCs then please give it a read. >> > Few things: These are some good points... > If a server fails, it might well have been fixed by the time the > administrator has noticed, changed the DNS, and the changes have > propagated, I should have made clear that I'm not advocating automated fail-over. You're right, usually there's a faulty router or a power failure or a DoS attack or some maintenance going on somewhere and the problem goes away quickly. Otherwise, once the administrator is alerted to a problem, they investigate it and can usually fix it. So the idle server is only activated in a genuine disaster. The DNS propogation time can be reduced by short TTLs. I think a 1 hour TTL is reasonable. ISPs used to ignore anything under 24 hours but in these days of chap & fast bandwidth I think that's disappearing. > Also, only having occasional rsyncs will mean you may still lose data > if a server goes down. Yes, if the twins are sync'd nightly, then up to 24 hours of changes could be lost. But this is the same for conventional nightly backups. There's also the option of syncing more frequently, or even continually with rsync's throttled bandwidth option. But however frequently they are sync'd, there'll be some data loss unless we use an option like DRBD. > And a server going down in the middle of a > rsync to its mirror could have messy consequences... The idle server always has 2 copies of the virtual disk file. One is for syncing and one is running. So if the active server goes down during the rsync, the running VM on the idle server is good for use. Step 5) touches on this. Maybe you mean that the scripts would need some careful error checking and handling to make sure that everything is cleaned up properly, ready for the next attempt. Leaving the database lock on would be disastrous. Leaving the snapshot active would degrade performance, eat disk space, and foul up the next sync. Yes, it could get messy if not handled properly. > DRBD might be > interesting for you to look at. I looked at DRBD, but I was concerned that the bandwidth usage would be too high if every disk write is mirrored. With the twinning method, a sector is only transmitted once even though it was written many times. > A safe way to do this with VM's is to use the built in > replication/failover features in Xen/VMware. I will take a look at that. > By the way, what did you use to make the snazzy diagram? The diagram was done for me by a web designer at http://www.dice-design.co.uk who I happen to be collaborating with on another website project. I think they used illustrator. I'll add a credit for them. Thank you very much for your suggestions and feedback. Julian From ew206@hidden Sun Apr 19 22:36:46 2009 From: ew206@hidden (ew206@cam.ac.uk) Date: Sun Apr 19 22:36:58 2009 Subject: paging companies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are two companies, who will rent you a variety of pagers, which work in more of the UK than mobile phones: and -- Mr Ellis Weinberger Pager: +44 (0)7659 599 845 ; Mobile: +44 (0)7870 755 792 ew206@cam.ac.uk ; http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/ew206/ From paul+clug@hidden Mon Apr 20 11:32:11 2009 From: paul+clug@hidden (Paul M) Date: Mon Apr 20 11:32:33 2009 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <49E9C909.1030709@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> <49E9137B.3070802@mansfield.co.uk> <49E9C909.1030709@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <49EC411B.4000001@mansfield.co.uk> Julian Price wrote: >> I'm surprised you didn't suggest using BGP multi-site to ensure that the >> server was always online and not partial to ISP or network outages. > > I didn't mention it because I've never heard of it! Sounds interesting > though. ...snip... well, it's good you're doing your research now :-) > If I have 2 dedicated servers in 2 different data centres run by 2 > different hosting companies, can I use BGP or is that out of my hands? > How does it help avoid network outages? yes, in fact having different providers at different locations helps protect you against a system-wide failure with one provider. the cheapest way to get this done is to find someone who already has a multi-site BGP failover solution, otherwise you need to get a nice big block of PI addresses* from RIPE, get some BGP capable routers, arrange with upstream ISPs to take BGP announcements and get it all configured perfectly otherwise it'll make your system more unreliable! * we have this at $JOB: servers at two distant locations, routed via a /22 block which guarantee global routability, anything smaller than a /23 might be problematic. From jt@hidden Mon Apr 20 20:08:21 2009 From: jt@hidden (jt@camalyn.org) Date: Mon Apr 20 20:10:48 2009 Subject: JOB: Permanent Stats Programmer | LOCATION: London, England, UK Message-ID: <1240250902.29829.69.camel@linux-qtk6.site> JOB: Permanent Stats Programmer LOCATION: London, England, UK Hi List, I'm working with a business in London that are looking to hire a permanent programmer with experience of working on either mathematical or numerical projects. You need to have experience of both scripting (R would be very applicable!) and also compiled languages - experience of using MySQL or similar would be preferential too. Please email me using james@camalyn.org to discuss further. Thanks, JAMES >> to learn more about Camalyn please visit http://www.camalyn.org From wawrzek@hidden Fri Apr 24 17:05:48 2009 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri Apr 24 17:05:59 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> Message-ID: Hi, Anybody interested in updates to new Wiki? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From tom-lists-clug2@hidden Fri Apr 24 19:02:37 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri Apr 24 19:02:46 2009 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> Message-ID: <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 04:05:48PM +0100, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Anybody interested in updates to new Wiki? What's there at the moment looks good. What we need most of all is to get a link to this (or even redirect to it) from cambridge-lug.org. Tom From paul@hidden Sun Apr 26 10:15:10 2009 From: paul@hidden (Paul) Date: Sun Apr 26 10:15:21 2009 Subject: broken mailing list manager for clug Message-ID: <49F4180E.20205@mansfield.co.uk> I got another "you've been disabled" message, so I clicked on the link as per the message, and it looks like mailman is STILL b0rked! I definitely didn't receive this message on Friday, so I presume that when mailman barfs it can't send out the reminders, and then by the time they get there they are pointless. |Bad confirmation string |Invalid confirmation string: 12d8e39c16d3ba1e43de68491c6e6a82e2ab04aa. |Note that confirmation strings expire approximately 3 days |after the initial subscription request. If your |confirmation has expired, please try to re-submit |your subscription. 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You will need to have a strong security background that includes past experience of implementing cryptographic principles to include IPSEC and SSL VPN, PKI, firewalls (Cisco, Juniper. F5 Networks Products) and knowledge ot authentication to include TACCAS+ Radius and 802.1x with two factor authentication. At the same time you must be able to apply network security disciplines and industry standards to ensure confidentiality and integrity, perform network vulnerability scanning using vendor utility tools, responsible for monitoring, IDS/ IPS logs for system and networking anomalies including identifying and partnering with the ncessary teams to reach consensus on remediation. This is a job that will require someone to present to a non-technical business audience too, participate in audits, risk assessments and investigations including technical security evaluation of infrastructure, networks and systems, To discuss further please e-mail me using james@camalyn.org [james camalyn.org] Kind regards, JAMES www.camalyn.org From paul+clug@hidden Mon Apr 27 17:18:04 2009 From: paul+clug@hidden (Paul M) Date: Mon Apr 27 17:18:21 2009 Subject: JOB: Senior Security Engineer | LOCATION: London, England, UK In-Reply-To: <49F5C2FA.1080203@camalyn.org> References: <49F5C2FA.1080203@camalyn.org> Message-ID: <49F5CCAC.4030309@mansfield.co.uk> jt wrote: > JOB: Senior Security Engineer Hi James, have you thought about posting them to the linked-in CLUG group discussions->jobs section? Paul From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Wed Apr 1 08:17:56 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 07:17:56 +0100 Subject: Twinned Hosting Message-ID: <49D30714.2090303@jul17pri.co.uk> Hello CLUG members I'm a systems administrator and web developer for inCharge (See http://www.inCharge.co.uk) using CentOS and virtualization as a platform for small business web hosting. There must be a lot of people trying to achieve exactly the same thing as me: an efficient, robust, secure, low maintenance, cost-effective hosting platform for small businesses / organisations. I think there's a much better way to meet these goals than the usual web server setup with incremental backups. But it has taken weeks of FAQs and HowTos to get where I am and it has been fun, but it's not for everyone, and I still have a long way to go. So I'm starting a project to develop a methodology called 'Twinned Hosting' and written about here: http://julianprice.org.uk so that 1) admins that want to achieve the same goal can collaborate 2) more admins will adopt the methodology and test it for us 3) The concept, scripts and documentation can be scrutinised and refined over time in the Open Source tradition. I'm working on the scripts and documentation (e.g. http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/BackupKVMGuest) and looking for people who would like to collaborate on the project. (See the ToDo section) I'm also grateful for any feedback, especially if you think there's a better way or a fatal flaw or it's already been done. Thanks, Julian Price -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <73765a140904010326h6c71a238x3ba2b9c989eed1ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <73765a140903251220i4ea48509wa9ec5815f297517@mail.gmail.com> <73765a140904010326h6c71a238x3ba2b9c989eed1ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D3424A.5040004@the-thornes.co.uk> The Sunday meeting is usually the 2nd Sunday of each month so Aprils will be 12th - which happens to be Easter Sunday so nothing will be open. I can do this Sunday or I can do the 19th. Is that good for anyone? Dave Miia Ranta wrote: > 2009/3/25 Miia Ranta : > >> Hello! >> >> Is there any definite attendees for this Sundays meetup? >> > > Quite unsurprisingly, there was absolutely nobody else... > > Miia "Myrtti" Ranta > -- > GCS/ED/FA/H/P/S/L/O d- s:+ a28 C++ UL+ P+ L+++ E W+++ N+ o K+ w+(---) > !O M?>+ V? PS++>$ PE>$ Y+ PGP- t+ 5+++ X+ R tv- b+++ DI++++ D-- G > e>+++ h- r++ x+* > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From dom at latter.org Wed Apr 1 15:12:19 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:12:19 +0200 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <49D30714.2090303@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49D30714.2090303@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <200904011512.19745.dom@latter.org> On Wednesday 01 April 2009 08:17:56 Julian Price wrote: > So I'm starting a project to develop a methodology called 'Twinned > Hosting' and written about here: http://julianprice.org.uk so that Looking very blank right now but I'm very interested. From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Wed Apr 1 14:08:56 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:08:56 +0100 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <200904011512.19745.dom@latter.org> References: <49D30714.2090303@jul17pri.co.uk> <200904011512.19745.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <49D35958.7030804@jul17pri.co.uk> Dom Latter wrote: > On Wednesday 01 April 2009 08:17:56 Julian Price wrote: > > >> So I'm starting a project to develop a methodology called 'Twinned >> Hosting' and written about here: http://julianprice.org.uk so that >> > > Looking very blank right now but I'm very interested. > Ah. URL rewriting is not my speciality. I've removed the PermaLinks and the site is back. Thanks Dom. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090401/26da2614/attachment-0001.htm From wawrzek at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 16:27:40 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:27:40 +0100 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <49D35958.7030804@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49D30714.2090303@jul17pri.co.uk> <200904011512.19745.dom@latter.org> <49D35958.7030804@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: 2009/4/1 Julian Price : [...] > Ah.?? URL rewriting is not my speciality.? I've removed the PermaLinks and > the site is back. > Much better. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From David.Thorne at golleyslater.co.uk Wed Apr 1 18:30:35 2009 From: David.Thorne at golleyslater.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:30:35 +0100 Subject: Systems administration opportunity in Cambridge Message-ID: <49D3A4BA.4263.00D8.0@golleyslater.co.uk> Good afternoon, I am writing to advertise a vacancy we have for a Systems Administrator/Technical Manager at Golley Slater Digital in Histon, Cambridge. Whilst I appreciate that recruitment is not the main focus of this mailing list, with so many people out of work at present I thought an offer of this kind may be of interest to one or more of the readers. If anyone is interested in a permanent position at this successful, expanding marketing agency, please get in touch on 01223 209960 and ask for David Thorne. If you know of anyone who might be interested, please feel free to forward this on. Many thanks, David Thorne David Thorne, MBCS | Technical Manager Golley Slater Digital Tel : 01223 209960 | Fax : 01223 209961 | Mobile : 07816 545248 Golley Slater, Discovery House, Vision Park, Histon Cambridge CB24 9ZR www.golleyslaterdigital.co.uk( http://www.golleyslaterdigital.co.uk/) Golley Slater Group Limited. Registered in England and Wales No. 584047. Registered Office: 12 Margaret Street, London, W1W 8JQ. IMPORTANT NOTICE. Copyright Golley Slater(2007). The concepts and ideas submitted by this Agency are of a confidential nature and are submitted to you on the understanding that they are to be considered by you in the strictest confidence and that no use shall be made of the said concepts and ideas, including communication to a third party, without the Agency's prior consent. This communication is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender. We would be grateful if you would also copy the communication to security at golleyslater.co.ukthen delete the email and destroy any copies of it. From dom at latter.org Wed Apr 1 23:37:45 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:37:45 +0200 Subject: Systems administration opportunity in Cambridge In-Reply-To: <49D3A4BA.4263.00D8.0@golleyslater.co.uk> References: <49D3A4BA.4263.00D8.0@golleyslater.co.uk> Message-ID: <200904012337.45635.dom@latter.org> On Wednesday 01 April 2009 18:30:35 David Thorne wrote: > Whilst I appreciate that recruitment is not the main focus of this mailing > list, I've got no problem with it, particularly when done sensitively & sensibly (i.e. like this one). In fact, I'd be very happy to see more, particularly for freelance jobs that can be done remotely . From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Fri Apr 3 14:35:46 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:35:46 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: this Sunday CLUG meet happening?] Message-ID: <49D602A2.1030806@the-thornes.co.uk> FYI -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: this Sunday CLUG meet happening? Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:06:07 +0100 From: Douglas Willis Reply-To: ddw at bas.ac.uk To: clug at the-thornes.co.uk References: <73765a140903251220i4ea48509wa9ec5815f297517 at mail.gmail.com> <73765a140904010326h6c71a238x3ba2b9c989eed1ec at mail.gmail.com> <49D3424A.5040004 at the-thornes.co.uk> David Thorne wrote: > The Sunday meeting is usually the 2nd Sunday of each month so Aprils > will be 12th - which happens to be Easter Sunday so nothing will be > open. I can do this Sunday or I can do the 19th. Is that good for anyone? > Dave > > Miia Ranta wrote: >> 2009/3/25 Miia Ranta : >> >>> Hello! >>> >>> Is there any definite attendees for this Sundays meetup? >>> >> Quite unsurprisingly, there was absolutely nobody else... >> >> Miia "Myrtti" Ranta >> -- >> GCS/ED/FA/H/P/S/L/O d- s:+ a28 C++ UL+ P+ L+++ E W+++ N+ o K+ w+(---) >> !O M?>+ V? PS++>$ PE>$ Y+ PGP- t+ 5+++ X+ R tv- b+++ DI++++ D-- G >> e>+++ h- r++ x+* I'm interested in either day. Just some one make a decision for me :-) -- Douglas Willis From sparkle60 at uk2.net Fri Apr 3 16:50:55 2009 From: sparkle60 at uk2.net (b nicolson) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:50:55 +0100 Subject: this Sunday CLUG meet happening? Message-ID: <50770.1238770255@uk2.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090403/3715fd53/attachment-0001.htm From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Sun Apr 5 08:18:54 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 07:18:54 +0100 Subject: this Sunday CLUG meet happening? In-Reply-To: <50770.1238770255@uk2.net> References: <50770.1238770255@uk2.net> Message-ID: <49D84D4E.6090204@jul17pri.co.uk> b nicolson wrote: > I can probably manage this Sunday (5th) but almost certainly not the > 19th. > Bev. > I'll be there today. By the way... I've been on the list for a couple of months and I did come to one meeting at CB2 but couldn't find you. I was late so maybe you'd gone. I think the sign is essential as not everybody feels comfortable walking around a busy cafe asking everyone if they're into Linux (I almost joined an SWP meeting). If there's no sign, then please let the bar staff know who/where you are. They just shook they heads. Thanks, Julian From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Sun Apr 5 17:26:38 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 16:26:38 +0100 Subject: this Sunday CLUG meet happening? In-Reply-To: <49D84D4E.6090204@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <50770.1238770255@uk2.net> <49D84D4E.6090204@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <49D8CDAE.9040407@the-thornes.co.uk> Having said I could make it - I ended upnot being able to. Long story but appologies... Julian Price wrote: > b nicolson wrote: >> I can probably manage this Sunday (5th) but almost certainly not the >> 19th. >> Bev. >> > I'll be there today. > > By the way... > I've been on the list for a couple of months and I did come to one > meeting at CB2 but couldn't find you. I was late so maybe you'd > gone. I think the sign is essential as not everybody feels > comfortable walking around a busy cafe asking everyone if they're into > Linux (I almost joined an SWP meeting). > > If there's no sign, then please let the bar staff know who/where you > are. They just shook they heads. > > Thanks, > Julian > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Tue Apr 7 00:12:47 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:12:47 +0100 Subject: Website (again) Message-ID: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> This is the experience of a Linux newbie like me looking for a Linux community in Cambridge: "Great! there's a Cambridge Linux User Group. Oh dear. The home page's Latest News is 3 years old and it says 'We're very much alive!'. Doesn't sound like it to me. Wait! they have meetings. Oh dear. It says 'Attendees (0)'. Maybe I'll register anyway. Strange! I've filled this form in and submitted it 5 times and it just keeps coming back blank whatever I write. Oh well, I guess this website is dead" I see from the mailing list archives that there has been talk of overhauling the website. In the meantime, I agree with people who have said it would be better to have a single static web page. Maybe have a link to the old site for anyone who wants to read the old articles. This works perfectly well for other local groups like Refresh who have a good turnout to their monthly meetings. Nobody asks why a web design group has a one page website, as long as they can find the mailing list and the meetings. http://www.refreshcambridge.org/ This has been going on for years... http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005702.html ...and someone has even posted the HTML page: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html In my experience, the current website is doing more harm than good, unless you want to scare off new members. Thanks, Julian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090406/f6d5dada/attachment-0002.htm From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Tue Apr 7 10:00:03 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:00:03 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090407080003.GA3986@weber> On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:12:47PM +0100, Julian Price wrote: > I see from the mailing list archives that there has been talk of > overhauling the website. Yeah can we just take the current website down and replace it with a wiki, immediately? The wiki might suffice and it will at least tide us over while we discuss what to replace it with. Tom From dan at ivixor.net Tue Apr 7 10:53:10 2009 From: dan at ivixor.net (Dan Ros) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:53:10 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090407080003.GA3986@weber> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407080003.GA3986@weber> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Tom Ellis wrote: > Yeah can we just take the current website down and replace it with a wiki, > immediately? > > The wiki might suffice and it will at least tide us over while we discuss > what to replace it with. Seconded, the ancient dates on the current site will put off newcomers like myself. Nothing says 'dead LUG' like the most recent post being in 2006. An installation of Mediawiki or similar would let interested parties keep it up to date. Might be an idea to turn on registration required to edit pages otherwise it'll be overrun with spam. Dan From dan.bolser at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 10:58:55 2009 From: dan.bolser at gmail.com (Dan Bolser) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:58:55 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407080003.GA3986@weber> Message-ID: <2c8757af0904070158g278e29d6ued58e8fea66cd9dc@mail.gmail.com> 2009/4/7 Dan Ros : > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Tom Ellis > wrote: >> Yeah can we just take the current website down and replace it with a wiki, >> immediately? >> >> The wiki might suffice and it will at least tide us over while we discuss >> what to replace it with. > > Seconded, the ancient dates on the current site will put off newcomers > like myself. Nothing says 'dead LUG' like the most recent post being > in 2006. > > An installation of Mediawiki or similar would let interested parties > keep it up to date. Might be an idea to turn on registration required > to edit pages otherwise it'll be overrun with spam. My vote goes for Semantic MediaWiki, with the following policy: 1) anonymous users must *always* be required to solve a captcha, regardless of content added 2) registration requires a capthca 3) registered users are *never* required to solve a captcha, regardless of content added. If you choose MediaWiki, reCapthca is a good choice of capthca. > Dan > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From wawrzek at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 11:05:28 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:05:28 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <2c8757af0904070158g278e29d6ued58e8fea66cd9dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407080003.GA3986@weber> <2c8757af0904070158g278e29d6ued58e8fea66cd9dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/4/7 Dan Bolser : > 2009/4/7 Dan Ros : >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Tom Ellis >> wrote: >>> Yeah can we just take the current website down and replace it with a wiki, >>> immediately? Good idea. [...] > 1) anonymous users must *always* be required to solve a captcha, > regardless of content added Do we need anonymous users? [...] Cheers, Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Tue Apr 7 11:07:43 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:07:43 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407080003.GA3986@weber> <2c8757af0904070158g278e29d6ued58e8fea66cd9dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090407090743.GA14400@weber> On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:05:28AM +0100, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Do we need anonymous users? Yes very much so. Having to log in is very discouraging to making edits. Perhaps with time we'll find that editors sign up for accounts, but what we need now is emergency work to get the website functional. From wawrzek at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 11:09:07 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:09:07 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: 2009/4/6 Julian Price : [...[ > This has been going on for years... > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005702.html > > ...and someone has even posted the HTML page: > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html > One more thing. Later there was another, half-done project. Last summer or autumn. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From joe.czucha at studio24.net Tue Apr 7 11:12:03 2009 From: joe.czucha at studio24.net (Joe Czucha) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 10:12:03 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> Im sure its taken care of but I have a VPS we can make use of if Wiki hosting if required... Joe ps. Hello by the way, new list member here! Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > 2009/4/6 Julian Price : > > [...[ >> This has been going on for years... >> http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005702.html >> >> ...and someone has even posted the HTML page: >> http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html >> > One more thing. Later there was another, half-done project. Last > summer or autumn. > > Wawrzek > -- Regards, Joe Czucha Web Developer ------------------------------------------------------------------- Studio 24 Ltd, 50 St. Stephen's Place, Cambridge, CB3 0JE e joe.czucha at studio24.net t 0870 241 6159 f 0870 094 0375 w www.studio24.net ------------------------------------------------------------------- For support email us at support at studio24.net View our terms at www.studio24.net/terms/ This email and its attachments may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Studio 24. Studio 24 is a Limited Company registered in England with company number 3971500. Registered office address 39 Parkside, Cambridge, CB1 1PN. ----------------------- where the web works ----------------------- From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Tue Apr 7 11:12:13 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:12:13 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090407091213.GA15362@weber> On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:12:47PM +0100, Julian Price wrote: > I see from the mailing list archives that there has been talk of > overhauling the website. The next thing to do is to work out who has access to the server, so they can replace the current website with a (potentially temporary) wiki. Tom From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Tue Apr 7 11:55:08 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:55:08 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> Message-ID: <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:12:03AM +0100, Joe Czucha wrote: > Im sure its taken care of but I have a VPS we can make use of if Wiki > hosting if required... Hi there Joe, and welcome, In the interests of doing things ASAP, could you set up a wiki on your server which we can use for displaying some basic info? Then when we work out who admins the current server we can get a link from the current site to the wiki, or move the wiki across. Cheers, Tom From joe.czucha at studio24.net Tue Apr 7 12:34:07 2009 From: joe.czucha at studio24.net (Joe Czucha) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:34:07 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> Message-ID: <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> Hi Tom, No problem - one blank Wiki as requested! http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk (obviously we can move this at a later date or point the DNS at the server so that we can use the 'proper' domain, but this will do for now) I've only just set up the sub-domain so if your DNS hasn't propagated yet, just add: 67.23.8.128 clug.joeczucha.co.uk to your HOSTS file ('/etc/hosts') to view it in the mean time. I'll see if I can turn off anonymous edits etc etc in a bit. Regards, Joe Tom Ellis wrote: > On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:12:03AM +0100, Joe Czucha wrote: >> Im sure its taken care of but I have a VPS we can make use of if Wiki >> hosting if required... > > Hi there Joe, and welcome, > > In the interests of doing things ASAP, could you set up a wiki on your > server which we can use for displaying some basic info? > > Then when we work out who admins the current server we can get a link from > the current site to the wiki, or move the wiki across. > > Cheers, > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org -- Regards, Joe Czucha Web Developer ------------------------------------------------------------------- Studio 24 Ltd, 50 St. Stephen's Place, Cambridge, CB3 0JE e joe.czucha at studio24.net t 0870 241 6159 f 0870 094 0375 w www.studio24.net ------------------------------------------------------------------- For support email us at support at studio24.net View our terms at www.studio24.net/terms/ This email and its attachments may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. 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Registered office address 39 Parkside, Cambridge, CB1 1PN. ----------------------- where the web works ----------------------- From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Tue Apr 7 12:10:06 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:10:06 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> Message-ID: <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> > No problem - one blank Wiki as requested! > > http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk Including the one-page HTML site posted before, that makes 4 candidates for the new CLUG site. http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ http://davedev.org/clug/ http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk I know I called for action, but before rushing into anything... 1) At least, we need someone with administrator access to the website. The last mention I can find is here: Jon Green http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005696.html Mark Roberts http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005704.html Jon, Mark, are you reading these messages? Who has access to the domain names / DNS? Is the site still on Thomas Horsten's server? 2) Some agreement about the new site is needed, especially from long-standing and active members. The nature of this list is that could take some days. The discussion is more stilted because of the 'Digest' option. (Please switch this off, even temporarily, if you want to participate in this conversation. http://lists.infowares.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/clug) That's why I suggested a temporary single static HTML page. It can go on the current server and that would be more achievable in the short term. Thanks, Julian From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Tue Apr 7 14:05:45 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:05:45 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <4126b3450904070505s631a87f6h7f46824445b2bdac@mail.gmail.com> 2009/4/7 Julian Price > > 1) At least, we need someone with administrator access to the website. > The last mention I can find is here: > Jon Green > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005696.html > > Mark Roberts > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005704.html > > Jon, Mark, are you reading these messages? > > Who has access to the domain names / DNS? ?Is the site still on Thomas > Horsten's server? There's a much more recent message from Mark Roberts here: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2009-February/007450.html It looks as though he still has shell access to the server. If Mark is able to use that server to replace the existing site with a new one (e.g. a Semantic MediaWiki one, which shouldn't take long to set up with reCaptcha, judging by my own experience of doing this on a shared host a couple of years ago), then this would obviate the need to alter the DNS. However, if that server is problematic in any way (limited expected remaining lifespan; only one CLUG member with an account; etc), then it may be better to make the DNS change and use a different server. Hopefully this won't be deemed necessary, but if it is, I can also offer the use of a hosting package I've already paid for, which has three years left on it and plenty of room for a MediaWiki instance. Because this is with Dreamhost, I think I should be able to set up a shell (or at least sFTP or WebDav) account for CLUG use, meaning I wouldn't be the sole admin. Clearly, Dave Briggs and Joe Czucha also have some hosting capacity, so I'm not the only one offering this; if we decide to abandon the existing server for whatever reason, Dave, Joe, me and anyone else who might be able to host the site should probably each give a breakdown of what we could offer so that the group can decide which option they prefer. This would, anyway, only be possible if we can find out who is able to update the DNS and persuade them to do so... So, if Mark can pick up the baton at this point, archive the existing site and replace it with either a static page pointing to the mailing list or else a MediaWiki install, that would, I think, be the simplest solution. Best, Sam PS. One final note about MediaWiki: if we end up with a MediaWiki instance, whoever is responsible for maintaining it should sign up to the MediaWiki security/updates mailing list, as vulnerabilities do arise in MediaWiki occasionally, and updates have to be installed if the instance is to remain secure. From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Tue Apr 7 16:04:02 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:04:02 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 11:10:06AM +0100, Julian Price wrote: >> No problem - one blank Wiki as requested! >> http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk > > Including the one-page HTML site posted before, that makes 4 candidates > for the new CLUG site. > > http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ > > http://davedev.org/clug/ > > http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk > > I know I called for action, but before rushing into anything... In the first instance what we set up *has* to be a wiki, so we can actually get on with improving the website rather than just taking about it. How it develops in the future I don't mind, but right now it must be up to date and accurate at least. So, my vote goes for http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk Tom From joe.czucha at studio24.net Tue Apr 7 16:10:51 2009 From: joe.czucha at studio24.net (Joe Czucha) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:10:51 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> Message-ID: <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> I'm easy and I don't want to tread on toes - so I'll just leave it online and you can do as you wish with it :) Also I'm not sure who the best person would be but I'm more than happy to hand over the 'admin' credentials to whoever needs them ;) So does this group have more of an emphasis on Linux as a desktop OS, server OS or neither? Which flavours do you guys use? Joe Tom Ellis wrote: > On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 11:10:06AM +0100, Julian Price wrote: >>> No problem - one blank Wiki as requested! >>> http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk >> Including the one-page HTML site posted before, that makes 4 candidates >> for the new CLUG site. >> >> http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ >> >> http://davedev.org/clug/ >> >> http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk >> >> I know I called for action, but before rushing into anything... > > In the first instance what we set up *has* to be a wiki, so we can actually > get on with improving the website rather than just taking about it. > > How it develops in the future I don't mind, but right now it must be up to > date and accurate at least. > > So, my vote goes for http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org -- Regards, Joe Czucha Web Developer ------------------------------------------------------------------- Studio 24 Ltd, 50 St. Stephen's Place, Cambridge, CB3 0JE e joe.czucha at studio24.net t 0870 241 6159 f 0870 094 0375 w www.studio24.net ------------------------------------------------------------------- For support email us at support at studio24.net View our terms at www.studio24.net/terms/ This email and its attachments may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Studio 24. Studio 24 is a Limited Company registered in England with company number 3971500. Registered office address 39 Parkside, Cambridge, CB1 1PN. ----------------------- where the web works ----------------------- From magnus at therning.org Tue Apr 7 16:29:23 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:29:23 +0100 Subject: Focus of group [Was Re: Website (again)] Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Joe Czucha wrote: > I'm easy and I don't want to tread on toes - so I'll just leave it online > and you can do as you wish with it :) > > Also I'm not sure who the best person would be but I'm more than happy to > hand over the 'admin' credentials to whoever needs them ;) > > So does this group have more of an emphasis on Linux as a desktop OS, server > OS or neither? Which flavours do you guys use? I don't think there's a specific emphasis in the group. Personally I'm using Linux mainly on my desktops, and then for developoment (haskell, python, the odd piece of C code). /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From wawrzek at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 16:39:36 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:39:36 +0100 Subject: Focus of group [Was Re: Website (again)] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/4/7 Magnus Therning : > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Joe Czucha wrote: [...] >> So does this group have more of an emphasis on Linux as a desktop OS, server >> OS or neither? Which flavours do you guys use? > > I don't think there's a specific emphasis in the group. I agree. Personally I'm using for server at work, for desktop/server at home. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From magnus at therning.org Tue Apr 7 19:48:16 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:48:16 +0100 Subject: Open Source Petition Message-ID: <49DB91E0.4010809@therning.org> Hi all This strikes me as being a sensible petition to sign. If you have a spare minute, please give it a look: http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/open-source-tic/ "The Department for Communities and Local Government (CLG) is running a project called Timely Information to Citizens (TIC). As part of this project, several local authorities are being given funding totalling approximately ?1m to develop software and web services to improve local information and service provision. While CLG's aim is that these projects are incorporated into a "best practice toolkit", we ask the government to reduce duplication of effort and expense and make this software available for other users at the earliest opportunity by releasing each package on deployment under an OSI-approved open source licence. Though we welcome these projects themselves, as citizens we cannot and do not support this substantial sum of public money being spent to create private, proprietary software." /M -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090407/e4a88165/attachment.pgp From onepoint at starurchin.org Wed Apr 8 14:56:14 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:56:14 +0100 Subject: Open Source Petition In-Reply-To: <49DB91E0.4010809@therning.org> References: <49DB91E0.4010809@therning.org> Message-ID: <20090408125614.GG1845@omphalos.singularity> On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 06:48:16PM +0100, Magnus Therning wrote: > This strikes me as being a sensible petition to sign. If you have a > spare minute, please give it a look: > > http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/open-source-tic/ Good suggestion! I have signed. Cheers, Jeremy Henty From clug at gasops.co.uk Wed Apr 8 17:55:11 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:55:11 +0100 Subject: Paging paging! Message-ID: <49DCC8DF.6090501@gasops.co.uk> A bit off-topic but my old pager no longer seems to work. I guess the pager network is uses(used) has been decommissioned. Are there any active pager networks in 2009 in the UK? From clug at gasops.co.uk Thu Apr 16 17:22:51 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:22:51 +0100 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync Message-ID: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> What's the best way of keeping an /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow, group etc) in sync between systems which need to have the same accounts? The systems will *not* be on the same network. One will be a private host and one will be a public host (though may need to keep more than two hosts in sync). From =?UTF-8?B?RGluZXNoIFNoYWggKOCqpuCqv+CqqOCrh+CqtiDgqrbgqr7gqrkv4KSm4KS/4KSo4KWH4KS2IA==?= Thu Apr 16 18:57:12 2009 From: =?UTF-8?B?RGluZXNoIFNoYWggKOCqpuCqv+CqqOCrh+CqtiDgqrbgqr7gqrkv4KSm4KS/4KSo4KWH4KS2IA==?= (=?UTF-8?B?RGluZXNoIFNoYWggKOCqpuCqv+CqqOCrh+CqtiDgqrbgqr7gqrkv4KSm4KS/4KSo4KWH4KS2IA==?=) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:27:12 +0530 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync In-Reply-To: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> References: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: Longman, On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Longman wrote: > > What's the best way of keeping an /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow, group > etc) in sync between systems which need to have the same accounts? ?The > systems will *not* be on the same network. ?One will be a private host > and one will be a public host (though may need to keep more than two > hosts in sync). Why not use NIS+ or LDAP? With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System +91-98213-11906 Blog: http://dineshah.wordpress.com/ Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dineshah/ From dan at ivixor.net Thu Apr 16 19:06:43 2009 From: dan at ivixor.net (Dan Ros) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:06:43 +0100 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync In-Reply-To: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> References: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Longman wrote: > What's the best way of keeping an /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow, group > etc) in sync between systems which need to have the same accounts? ?The > systems will *not* be on the same network. ?One will be a private host > and one will be a public host (though may need to keep more than two > hosts in sync). NIS/LDAP/PAM-MySQL etc are great but might be a bit cumbersome to set up. If you only have a few machines and users, perhaps something as simple as cheduling a nightly scp (with ssh keys) of the relevant files would do the job? You'd want to set one up as the master and the rest as slaves. You'll just have to be careful to only modify users/passwords on the 'master' box. hth, etc. Dan From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Thu Apr 16 19:31:46 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:31:46 +0100 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync In-Reply-To: References: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <49E76B82.7000909@mansfield.co.uk> Dan Ros wrote: > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Longman wrote: >> What's the best way of keeping an /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow, group >> etc) in sync between systems which need to have the same accounts? The >> systems will *not* be on the same network. One will be a private host >> and one will be a public host (though may need to keep more than two >> hosts in sync). > > NIS/LDAP/PAM-MySQL etc are great but might be a bit cumbersome to set up. I believe that multi-master LDAP which actually works should be here soon - a colleague got it working with help from openldap team and fed back the fixes. In combination with forthcoming samba, it'll be a pretty strong contender for people wanting to avoid windows servers! synchronising ssh keys is probably easier than trying to push updated shadow files around! From nix at esperi.org.uk Thu Apr 16 23:59:45 2009 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:59:45 +0100 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync In-Reply-To: (Dan Ros's message of "Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:06:43 +0100") References: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <87r5zs8dke.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix> On 16 Apr 2009, Dan Ros verbalised: > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Longman wrote: >> What's the best way of keeping an /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow, group >> etc) in sync between systems which need to have the same accounts? ?The >> systems will *not* be on the same network. ?One will be a private host >> and one will be a public host (though may need to keep more than two >> hosts in sync). > > NIS/LDAP/PAM-MySQL etc are great but might be a bit cumbersome to set up. I tried to set up Hesiod a while back. There's native support in glibc and everything, and the idea is lovely, but the way it breaks getpwent() is really annoying. So I'm back to rsync for now. From will.pink at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 00:40:21 2009 From: will.pink at gmail.com (william pink) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:40:21 +0100 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync In-Reply-To: <87r5zs8dke.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix> References: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> <87r5zs8dke.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix> Message-ID: <7891dd830904161540k67ad94d0tc7438755a527332f@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Nix wrote: > On 16 Apr 2009, Dan Ros verbalised: > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Longman wrote: > >> What's the best way of keeping an /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow, group > >> etc) in sync between systems which need to have the same accounts? The > >> systems will *not* be on the same network. One will be a private host > >> and one will be a public host (though may need to keep more than two > >> hosts in sync). > > > > NIS/LDAP/PAM-MySQL etc are great but might be a bit cumbersome to set up. > > I tried to set up Hesiod a while back. There's native support in glibc > and everything, and the idea is lovely, but the way it breaks getpwent() > is really annoying. So I'm back to rsync for now. > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > Yeah I would of said a Autossh tunnel with a rsync cron job running periodically would do the job -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090416/7ecbd4bd/attachment-0001.htm From magnus at therning.org Fri Apr 17 10:28:46 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:28:46 +0100 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync In-Reply-To: <7891dd830904161540k67ad94d0tc7438755a527332f@mail.gmail.com> References: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> <87r5zs8dke.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix> <7891dd830904161540k67ad94d0tc7438755a527332f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:40 PM, william pink wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Nix wrote: >> >> On 16 Apr 2009, Dan Ros verbalised: >> >> > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Longman wrote: >> >> What's the best way of keeping an /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow, group >> >> etc) in sync between systems which need to have the same accounts? ?The >> >> systems will *not* be on the same network. ?One will be a private host >> >> and one will be a public host (though may need to keep more than two >> >> hosts in sync). >> > >> > NIS/LDAP/PAM-MySQL etc are great but might be a bit cumbersome to set >> > up. >> >> I tried to set up Hesiod a while back. There's native support in glibc >> and everything, and the idea is lovely, but the way it breaks getpwent() >> is really annoying. So I'm back to rsync for now. >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug at cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > Yeah I would of said a Autossh tunnel with a rsync cron job running > periodically would do the job I'd suggest you take a look at unison if you are planning pushing changes is more than one direction. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From clug at gasops.co.uk Fri Apr 17 10:52:53 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:52:53 +0100 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync In-Reply-To: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> References: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <49E84365.1030106@gasops.co.uk> Thanks for all the ideas people :-) From onepoint at starurchin.org Fri Apr 17 13:56:17 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:56:17 +0100 Subject: sciencenews.org access problems Message-ID: <20090417115617.GP3899@omphalos.singularity> Is anyone else having problems accessing sciencenews.org ? DownForEveryoneOrJustMe[1] says it's up but nothing I have can make a connection. Firefox, Dillo, Links, wget: all just hang. I have not noticed problems with any other site. Jeremy Henty [1] http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/sciencenews.org From gareth.pullen at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 13:59:15 2009 From: gareth.pullen at gmail.com (Gareth Pullen) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:59:15 +0100 Subject: sciencenews.org access problems In-Reply-To: References: <20090417115617.GP3899@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: It's a bit slow for me, but it works from both my work computer and the 3G connection on my G1. Gareth. On Apr 17, 2009 12:56 PM, "Jeremy Henty" wrote: Is anyone else having problems accessing sciencenews.org ? DownForEveryoneOrJustMe[1] says it's up but nothing I have can make a connection. Firefox, Dillo, Links, wget: all just hang. I have not noticed problems with any other site. Jeremy Henty [1] http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/sciencenews.org _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug at cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090417/df1b22dd/attachment-0001.htm From onepoint at starurchin.org Fri Apr 17 14:51:40 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:51:40 +0100 Subject: sciencenews.org access problems In-Reply-To: References: <20090417115617.GP3899@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090417125140.GS3899@omphalos.singularity> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:59:15PM +0100, Gareth Pullen wrote: > It's a bit slow for me, but it works from both my work computer and the 3G > connection on my G1. It works from my bytemark.co.uk host, but here... $ traceroute sciencenews.org traceroute to sciencenews.org (206.16.247.139), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets send: Operation not permitted How I can debug further? Cheers, Jeremy Henty From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Fri Apr 17 20:38:22 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:38:22 +0100 Subject: Twinned Hosting Message-ID: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> >> To be honest I don't quite get what it's about. Sounds interesting though. > It needs a diagram really. I have added a diagram to my 'Twinned Hosting' article at... http://www.julianprice.org.uk ...and rewritten it to make it more readable, hopefully. If you are interested in rock-solid low-to-medium traffic web-hosting for dedicated PCs then please give it a read. Anyone interested in implementing such a setup please get in touch. Thanks, Julian From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Sat Apr 18 01:40:43 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:40:43 +0100 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <49E9137B.3070802@mansfield.co.uk> Julian Price wrote: >>> To be honest I don't quite get what it's about. Sounds interesting >>> though. >> It needs a diagram really. > > I have added a diagram to my 'Twinned Hosting' article at... > > http://www.julianprice.org.uk > > ...and rewritten it to make it more readable, hopefully. > I'm surprised you didn't suggest using BGP multi-site to ensure that the server was always online and not partial to ISP or network outages. From dan at ivixor.net Sat Apr 18 03:29:29 2009 From: dan at ivixor.net (Dan Ros) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:29:29 +0100 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Julian Price wrote: >>> To be honest I don't quite get what it's about. Sounds interesting >>> though. > >> It needs a diagram really. > > I have added a diagram to my 'Twinned Hosting' article at... > > http://www.julianprice.org.uk > > ...and rewritten it to make it more readable, hopefully. > > If you are interested in rock-solid low-to-medium traffic web-hosting for > dedicated PCs then please give it a read. > Few things: If a server fails, it might well have been fixed by the time the administrator has noticed, changed the DNS, and the changes have propagated, Also, only having occasional rsyncs will mean you may still lose data if a server goes down. And a server going down in the middle of a rsync to its mirror could have messy consequences... DRBD might be interesting for you to look at. A safe way to do this with VM's is to use the built in replication/failover features in Xen/VMware. You do tend to need a SAN though. Plus BGP multi-site as has been mentioned already. By the way, what did you use to make the snazzy diagram? Dan From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Sat Apr 18 14:35:21 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:35:21 +0100 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <49E9137B.3070802@mansfield.co.uk> References: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> <49E9137B.3070802@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <49E9C909.1030709@jul17pri.co.uk> Paul wrote: > Julian Price wrote: >>>> To be honest I don't quite get what it's about. Sounds interesting >>>> though. >>> It needs a diagram really. >> I have added a diagram to my 'Twinned Hosting' article at... >> >> http://www.julianprice.org.uk >> >> ...and rewritten it to make it more readable, hopefully. >> > > > I'm surprised you didn't suggest using BGP multi-site to ensure that the > server was always online and not partial to ISP or network outages. I didn't mention it because I've never heard of it! Sounds interesting though. In my experience, all the routing has been taken care of by the hosting company that provided the dedicated servers. They assign a bunch of IPs to the server and that's all you need to know. One host I use (RapidSwitch) allows IPs to be reassigned between servers via a web-based control panel, but only if the servers are in the same data centre. If I have 2 dedicated servers in 2 different data centres run by 2 different hosting companies, can I use BGP or is that out of my hands? How does it help avoid network outages? Thanks, Julian From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Sat Apr 18 15:16:25 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:16:25 +0100 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: References: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <49E9D2A9.6090000@jul17pri.co.uk> Dan Ros wrote: > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Julian Price wrote: >>>> To be honest I don't quite get what it's about. Sounds interesting >>>> though. >>> It needs a diagram really. >> I have added a diagram to my 'Twinned Hosting' article at... >> >> http://www.julianprice.org.uk >> >> ...and rewritten it to make it more readable, hopefully. >> >> If you are interested in rock-solid low-to-medium traffic web-hosting for >> dedicated PCs then please give it a read. >> > Few things: These are some good points... > If a server fails, it might well have been fixed by the time the > administrator has noticed, changed the DNS, and the changes have > propagated, I should have made clear that I'm not advocating automated fail-over. You're right, usually there's a faulty router or a power failure or a DoS attack or some maintenance going on somewhere and the problem goes away quickly. Otherwise, once the administrator is alerted to a problem, they investigate it and can usually fix it. So the idle server is only activated in a genuine disaster. The DNS propogation time can be reduced by short TTLs. I think a 1 hour TTL is reasonable. ISPs used to ignore anything under 24 hours but in these days of chap & fast bandwidth I think that's disappearing. > Also, only having occasional rsyncs will mean you may still lose data > if a server goes down. Yes, if the twins are sync'd nightly, then up to 24 hours of changes could be lost. But this is the same for conventional nightly backups. There's also the option of syncing more frequently, or even continually with rsync's throttled bandwidth option. But however frequently they are sync'd, there'll be some data loss unless we use an option like DRBD. > And a server going down in the middle of a > rsync to its mirror could have messy consequences... The idle server always has 2 copies of the virtual disk file. One is for syncing and one is running. So if the active server goes down during the rsync, the running VM on the idle server is good for use. Step 5) touches on this. Maybe you mean that the scripts would need some careful error checking and handling to make sure that everything is cleaned up properly, ready for the next attempt. Leaving the database lock on would be disastrous. Leaving the snapshot active would degrade performance, eat disk space, and foul up the next sync. Yes, it could get messy if not handled properly. > DRBD might be > interesting for you to look at. I looked at DRBD, but I was concerned that the bandwidth usage would be too high if every disk write is mirrored. With the twinning method, a sector is only transmitted once even though it was written many times. > A safe way to do this with VM's is to use the built in > replication/failover features in Xen/VMware. I will take a look at that. > By the way, what did you use to make the snazzy diagram? The diagram was done for me by a web designer at http://www.dice-design.co.uk who I happen to be collaborating with on another website project. I think they used illustrator. I'll add a credit for them. Thank you very much for your suggestions and feedback. Julian From ew206 at cam.ac.uk Sun Apr 19 22:36:46 2009 From: ew206 at cam.ac.uk (ew206 at cam.ac.uk) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:36:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: paging companies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are two companies, who will rent you a variety of pagers, which work in more of the UK than mobile phones: and -- Mr Ellis Weinberger Pager: +44 (0)7659 599 845 ; Mobile: +44 (0)7870 755 792 ew206 at cam.ac.uk ; http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/ew206/ From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Mon Apr 20 11:32:11 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:32:11 +0100 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <49E9C909.1030709@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> <49E9137B.3070802@mansfield.co.uk> <49E9C909.1030709@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <49EC411B.4000001@mansfield.co.uk> Julian Price wrote: >> I'm surprised you didn't suggest using BGP multi-site to ensure that the >> server was always online and not partial to ISP or network outages. > > I didn't mention it because I've never heard of it! Sounds interesting > though. ...snip... well, it's good you're doing your research now :-) > If I have 2 dedicated servers in 2 different data centres run by 2 > different hosting companies, can I use BGP or is that out of my hands? > How does it help avoid network outages? yes, in fact having different providers at different locations helps protect you against a system-wide failure with one provider. the cheapest way to get this done is to find someone who already has a multi-site BGP failover solution, otherwise you need to get a nice big block of PI addresses* from RIPE, get some BGP capable routers, arrange with upstream ISPs to take BGP announcements and get it all configured perfectly otherwise it'll make your system more unreliable! * we have this at $JOB: servers at two distant locations, routed via a /22 block which guarantee global routability, anything smaller than a /23 might be problematic. From jt at camalyn.org Mon Apr 20 20:08:21 2009 From: jt at camalyn.org (jt at camalyn.org) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:08:21 +0100 Subject: JOB: Permanent Stats Programmer | LOCATION: London, England, UK Message-ID: <1240250902.29829.69.camel@linux-qtk6.site> JOB: Permanent Stats Programmer LOCATION: London, England, UK Hi List, I'm working with a business in London that are looking to hire a permanent programmer with experience of working on either mathematical or numerical projects. You need to have experience of both scripting (R would be very applicable!) and also compiled languages - experience of using MySQL or similar would be preferential too. Please email me using james at camalyn.org to discuss further. Thanks, JAMES >> to learn more about Camalyn please visit http://www.camalyn.org From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 17:05:48 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:05:48 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> Message-ID: Hi, Anybody interested in updates to new Wiki? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Apr 24 19:02:37 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:02:37 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> Message-ID: <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 04:05:48PM +0100, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Anybody interested in updates to new Wiki? What's there at the moment looks good. What we need most of all is to get a link to this (or even redirect to it) from cambridge-lug.org. 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To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at http://lists.infowares.com/cgi-bin/confirm/clug/12d8e39c16d3ba1e43de68491c6e6a82e2ab04aa From jt at camalyn.org Mon Apr 27 16:36:42 2009 From: jt at camalyn.org (jt) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:36:42 +0100 Subject: JOB: Senior Security Engineer | LOCATION: London, England, UK Message-ID: <49F5C2FA.1080203@camalyn.org> JOB: Senior Security Engineer SALARY: ?60-?75K plus attractive package! LOCATION: London, England, UK Hello ~ I am working with a technology company in London to recruit a Senior Security Engineer. Are you able to translate requirements from regulatory bodies (such as FSI and PCI) into real-world policy and procedure as-well as design and implement appropriately-balanced solutions? Recommend and propose security solutions? You will need to have a strong security background that includes past experience of implementing cryptographic principles to include IPSEC and SSL VPN, PKI, firewalls (Cisco, Juniper. F5 Networks Products) and knowledge ot authentication to include TACCAS+ Radius and 802.1x with two factor authentication. At the same time you must be able to apply network security disciplines and industry standards to ensure confidentiality and integrity, perform network vulnerability scanning using vendor utility tools, responsible for monitoring, IDS/ IPS logs for system and networking anomalies including identifying and partnering with the ncessary teams to reach consensus on remediation. This is a job that will require someone to present to a non-technical business audience too, participate in audits, risk assessments and investigations including technical security evaluation of infrastructure, networks and systems, To discuss further please e-mail me using james at camalyn.org [james camalyn.org] Kind regards, JAMES www.camalyn.org From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Mon Apr 27 17:18:04 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:18:04 +0100 Subject: JOB: Senior Security Engineer | LOCATION: London, England, UK In-Reply-To: <49F5C2FA.1080203@camalyn.org> References: <49F5C2FA.1080203@camalyn.org> Message-ID: <49F5CCAC.4030309@mansfield.co.uk> jt wrote: > JOB: Senior Security Engineer Hi James, have you thought about posting them to the linked-in CLUG group discussions->jobs section? Paul From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Wed Apr 1 08:17:56 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 07:17:56 +0100 Subject: Twinned Hosting Message-ID: <49D30714.2090303@jul17pri.co.uk> Hello CLUG members I'm a systems administrator and web developer for inCharge (See http://www.inCharge.co.uk) using CentOS and virtualization as a platform for small business web hosting. There must be a lot of people trying to achieve exactly the same thing as me: an efficient, robust, secure, low maintenance, cost-effective hosting platform for small businesses / organisations. I think there's a much better way to meet these goals than the usual web server setup with incremental backups. But it has taken weeks of FAQs and HowTos to get where I am and it has been fun, but it's not for everyone, and I still have a long way to go. So I'm starting a project to develop a methodology called 'Twinned Hosting' and written about here: http://julianprice.org.uk so that 1) admins that want to achieve the same goal can collaborate 2) more admins will adopt the methodology and test it for us 3) The concept, scripts and documentation can be scrutinised and refined over time in the Open Source tradition. I'm working on the scripts and documentation (e.g. http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/BackupKVMGuest) and looking for people who would like to collaborate on the project. (See the ToDo section) I'm also grateful for any feedback, especially if you think there's a better way or a fatal flaw or it's already been done. Thanks, Julian Price -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <73765a140904010326h6c71a238x3ba2b9c989eed1ec@mail.gmail.com> References: <73765a140903251220i4ea48509wa9ec5815f297517@mail.gmail.com> <73765a140904010326h6c71a238x3ba2b9c989eed1ec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D3424A.5040004@the-thornes.co.uk> The Sunday meeting is usually the 2nd Sunday of each month so Aprils will be 12th - which happens to be Easter Sunday so nothing will be open. I can do this Sunday or I can do the 19th. Is that good for anyone? Dave Miia Ranta wrote: > 2009/3/25 Miia Ranta : > >> Hello! >> >> Is there any definite attendees for this Sundays meetup? >> > > Quite unsurprisingly, there was absolutely nobody else... > > Miia "Myrtti" Ranta > -- > GCS/ED/FA/H/P/S/L/O d- s:+ a28 C++ UL+ P+ L+++ E W+++ N+ o K+ w+(---) > !O M?>+ V? PS++>$ PE>$ Y+ PGP- t+ 5+++ X+ R tv- b+++ DI++++ D-- G > e>+++ h- r++ x+* > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From dom at latter.org Wed Apr 1 15:12:19 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:12:19 +0200 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <49D30714.2090303@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49D30714.2090303@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <200904011512.19745.dom@latter.org> On Wednesday 01 April 2009 08:17:56 Julian Price wrote: > So I'm starting a project to develop a methodology called 'Twinned > Hosting' and written about here: http://julianprice.org.uk so that Looking very blank right now but I'm very interested. From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Wed Apr 1 14:08:56 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:08:56 +0100 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <200904011512.19745.dom@latter.org> References: <49D30714.2090303@jul17pri.co.uk> <200904011512.19745.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <49D35958.7030804@jul17pri.co.uk> Dom Latter wrote: > On Wednesday 01 April 2009 08:17:56 Julian Price wrote: > > >> So I'm starting a project to develop a methodology called 'Twinned >> Hosting' and written about here: http://julianprice.org.uk so that >> > > Looking very blank right now but I'm very interested. > Ah. URL rewriting is not my speciality. I've removed the PermaLinks and the site is back. Thanks Dom. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090401/26da2614/attachment-0002.htm From wawrzek at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 16:27:40 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:27:40 +0100 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <49D35958.7030804@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49D30714.2090303@jul17pri.co.uk> <200904011512.19745.dom@latter.org> <49D35958.7030804@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: 2009/4/1 Julian Price : [...] > Ah.?? URL rewriting is not my speciality.? I've removed the PermaLinks and > the site is back. > Much better. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From David.Thorne at golleyslater.co.uk Wed Apr 1 18:30:35 2009 From: David.Thorne at golleyslater.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:30:35 +0100 Subject: Systems administration opportunity in Cambridge Message-ID: <49D3A4BA.4263.00D8.0@golleyslater.co.uk> Good afternoon, I am writing to advertise a vacancy we have for a Systems Administrator/Technical Manager at Golley Slater Digital in Histon, Cambridge. Whilst I appreciate that recruitment is not the main focus of this mailing list, with so many people out of work at present I thought an offer of this kind may be of interest to one or more of the readers. If anyone is interested in a permanent position at this successful, expanding marketing agency, please get in touch on 01223 209960 and ask for David Thorne. If you know of anyone who might be interested, please feel free to forward this on. Many thanks, David Thorne David Thorne, MBCS | Technical Manager Golley Slater Digital Tel : 01223 209960 | Fax : 01223 209961 | Mobile : 07816 545248 Golley Slater, Discovery House, Vision Park, Histon Cambridge CB24 9ZR www.golleyslaterdigital.co.uk( http://www.golleyslaterdigital.co.uk/) Golley Slater Group Limited. Registered in England and Wales No. 584047. Registered Office: 12 Margaret Street, London, W1W 8JQ. IMPORTANT NOTICE. Copyright Golley Slater(2007). The concepts and ideas submitted by this Agency are of a confidential nature and are submitted to you on the understanding that they are to be considered by you in the strictest confidence and that no use shall be made of the said concepts and ideas, including communication to a third party, without the Agency's prior consent. This communication is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender. We would be grateful if you would also copy the communication to security at golleyslater.co.ukthen delete the email and destroy any copies of it. From dom at latter.org Wed Apr 1 23:37:45 2009 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:37:45 +0200 Subject: Systems administration opportunity in Cambridge In-Reply-To: <49D3A4BA.4263.00D8.0@golleyslater.co.uk> References: <49D3A4BA.4263.00D8.0@golleyslater.co.uk> Message-ID: <200904012337.45635.dom@latter.org> On Wednesday 01 April 2009 18:30:35 David Thorne wrote: > Whilst I appreciate that recruitment is not the main focus of this mailing > list, I've got no problem with it, particularly when done sensitively & sensibly (i.e. like this one). In fact, I'd be very happy to see more, particularly for freelance jobs that can be done remotely . From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Fri Apr 3 14:35:46 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:35:46 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: Re: this Sunday CLUG meet happening?] Message-ID: <49D602A2.1030806@the-thornes.co.uk> FYI -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: this Sunday CLUG meet happening? Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:06:07 +0100 From: Douglas Willis Reply-To: ddw at bas.ac.uk To: clug at the-thornes.co.uk References: <73765a140903251220i4ea48509wa9ec5815f297517 at mail.gmail.com> <73765a140904010326h6c71a238x3ba2b9c989eed1ec at mail.gmail.com> <49D3424A.5040004 at the-thornes.co.uk> David Thorne wrote: > The Sunday meeting is usually the 2nd Sunday of each month so Aprils > will be 12th - which happens to be Easter Sunday so nothing will be > open. I can do this Sunday or I can do the 19th. Is that good for anyone? > Dave > > Miia Ranta wrote: >> 2009/3/25 Miia Ranta : >> >>> Hello! >>> >>> Is there any definite attendees for this Sundays meetup? >>> >> Quite unsurprisingly, there was absolutely nobody else... >> >> Miia "Myrtti" Ranta >> -- >> GCS/ED/FA/H/P/S/L/O d- s:+ a28 C++ UL+ P+ L+++ E W+++ N+ o K+ w+(---) >> !O M?>+ V? PS++>$ PE>$ Y+ PGP- t+ 5+++ X+ R tv- b+++ DI++++ D-- G >> e>+++ h- r++ x+* I'm interested in either day. Just some one make a decision for me :-) -- Douglas Willis From sparkle60 at uk2.net Fri Apr 3 16:50:55 2009 From: sparkle60 at uk2.net (b nicolson) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:50:55 +0100 Subject: this Sunday CLUG meet happening? Message-ID: <50770.1238770255@uk2.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090403/3715fd53/attachment-0002.htm From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Sun Apr 5 08:18:54 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 07:18:54 +0100 Subject: this Sunday CLUG meet happening? In-Reply-To: <50770.1238770255@uk2.net> References: <50770.1238770255@uk2.net> Message-ID: <49D84D4E.6090204@jul17pri.co.uk> b nicolson wrote: > I can probably manage this Sunday (5th) but almost certainly not the > 19th. > Bev. > I'll be there today. By the way... I've been on the list for a couple of months and I did come to one meeting at CB2 but couldn't find you. I was late so maybe you'd gone. I think the sign is essential as not everybody feels comfortable walking around a busy cafe asking everyone if they're into Linux (I almost joined an SWP meeting). If there's no sign, then please let the bar staff know who/where you are. They just shook they heads. Thanks, Julian From clug at the-thornes.co.uk Sun Apr 5 17:26:38 2009 From: clug at the-thornes.co.uk (David Thorne) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 16:26:38 +0100 Subject: this Sunday CLUG meet happening? In-Reply-To: <49D84D4E.6090204@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <50770.1238770255@uk2.net> <49D84D4E.6090204@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <49D8CDAE.9040407@the-thornes.co.uk> Having said I could make it - I ended upnot being able to. Long story but appologies... Julian Price wrote: > b nicolson wrote: >> I can probably manage this Sunday (5th) but almost certainly not the >> 19th. >> Bev. >> > I'll be there today. > > By the way... > I've been on the list for a couple of months and I did come to one > meeting at CB2 but couldn't find you. I was late so maybe you'd > gone. I think the sign is essential as not everybody feels > comfortable walking around a busy cafe asking everyone if they're into > Linux (I almost joined an SWP meeting). > > If there's no sign, then please let the bar staff know who/where you > are. They just shook they heads. > > Thanks, > Julian > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Tue Apr 7 00:12:47 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:12:47 +0100 Subject: Website (again) Message-ID: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> This is the experience of a Linux newbie like me looking for a Linux community in Cambridge: "Great! there's a Cambridge Linux User Group. Oh dear. The home page's Latest News is 3 years old and it says 'We're very much alive!'. Doesn't sound like it to me. Wait! they have meetings. Oh dear. It says 'Attendees (0)'. Maybe I'll register anyway. Strange! I've filled this form in and submitted it 5 times and it just keeps coming back blank whatever I write. Oh well, I guess this website is dead" I see from the mailing list archives that there has been talk of overhauling the website. In the meantime, I agree with people who have said it would be better to have a single static web page. Maybe have a link to the old site for anyone who wants to read the old articles. This works perfectly well for other local groups like Refresh who have a good turnout to their monthly meetings. Nobody asks why a web design group has a one page website, as long as they can find the mailing list and the meetings. http://www.refreshcambridge.org/ This has been going on for years... http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005702.html ...and someone has even posted the HTML page: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html In my experience, the current website is doing more harm than good, unless you want to scare off new members. Thanks, Julian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090406/f6d5dada/attachment-0003.htm From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Tue Apr 7 10:00:03 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:00:03 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090407080003.GA3986@weber> On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:12:47PM +0100, Julian Price wrote: > I see from the mailing list archives that there has been talk of > overhauling the website. Yeah can we just take the current website down and replace it with a wiki, immediately? The wiki might suffice and it will at least tide us over while we discuss what to replace it with. Tom From dan at ivixor.net Tue Apr 7 10:53:10 2009 From: dan at ivixor.net (Dan Ros) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:53:10 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090407080003.GA3986@weber> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407080003.GA3986@weber> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Tom Ellis wrote: > Yeah can we just take the current website down and replace it with a wiki, > immediately? > > The wiki might suffice and it will at least tide us over while we discuss > what to replace it with. Seconded, the ancient dates on the current site will put off newcomers like myself. Nothing says 'dead LUG' like the most recent post being in 2006. An installation of Mediawiki or similar would let interested parties keep it up to date. Might be an idea to turn on registration required to edit pages otherwise it'll be overrun with spam. Dan From dan.bolser at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 10:58:55 2009 From: dan.bolser at gmail.com (Dan Bolser) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:58:55 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407080003.GA3986@weber> Message-ID: <2c8757af0904070158g278e29d6ued58e8fea66cd9dc@mail.gmail.com> 2009/4/7 Dan Ros : > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Tom Ellis > wrote: >> Yeah can we just take the current website down and replace it with a wiki, >> immediately? >> >> The wiki might suffice and it will at least tide us over while we discuss >> what to replace it with. > > Seconded, the ancient dates on the current site will put off newcomers > like myself. Nothing says 'dead LUG' like the most recent post being > in 2006. > > An installation of Mediawiki or similar would let interested parties > keep it up to date. Might be an idea to turn on registration required > to edit pages otherwise it'll be overrun with spam. My vote goes for Semantic MediaWiki, with the following policy: 1) anonymous users must *always* be required to solve a captcha, regardless of content added 2) registration requires a capthca 3) registered users are *never* required to solve a captcha, regardless of content added. If you choose MediaWiki, reCapthca is a good choice of capthca. > Dan > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From wawrzek at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 11:05:28 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:05:28 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <2c8757af0904070158g278e29d6ued58e8fea66cd9dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407080003.GA3986@weber> <2c8757af0904070158g278e29d6ued58e8fea66cd9dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2009/4/7 Dan Bolser : > 2009/4/7 Dan Ros : >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Tom Ellis >> wrote: >>> Yeah can we just take the current website down and replace it with a wiki, >>> immediately? Good idea. [...] > 1) anonymous users must *always* be required to solve a captcha, > regardless of content added Do we need anonymous users? [...] Cheers, Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Tue Apr 7 11:07:43 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:07:43 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407080003.GA3986@weber> <2c8757af0904070158g278e29d6ued58e8fea66cd9dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090407090743.GA14400@weber> On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:05:28AM +0100, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Do we need anonymous users? Yes very much so. Having to log in is very discouraging to making edits. Perhaps with time we'll find that editors sign up for accounts, but what we need now is emergency work to get the website functional. From wawrzek at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 11:09:07 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:09:07 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: 2009/4/6 Julian Price : [...[ > This has been going on for years... > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005702.html > > ...and someone has even posted the HTML page: > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html > One more thing. Later there was another, half-done project. Last summer or autumn. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From joe.czucha at studio24.net Tue Apr 7 11:12:03 2009 From: joe.czucha at studio24.net (Joe Czucha) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 10:12:03 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> Im sure its taken care of but I have a VPS we can make use of if Wiki hosting if required... Joe ps. Hello by the way, new list member here! Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > 2009/4/6 Julian Price : > > [...[ >> This has been going on for years... >> http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005702.html >> >> ...and someone has even posted the HTML page: >> http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-May/006749.html >> > One more thing. Later there was another, half-done project. Last > summer or autumn. > > Wawrzek > -- Regards, Joe Czucha Web Developer ------------------------------------------------------------------- Studio 24 Ltd, 50 St. Stephen's Place, Cambridge, CB3 0JE e joe.czucha at studio24.net t 0870 241 6159 f 0870 094 0375 w www.studio24.net ------------------------------------------------------------------- For support email us at support at studio24.net View our terms at www.studio24.net/terms/ This email and its attachments may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Studio 24. Studio 24 is a Limited Company registered in England with company number 3971500. Registered office address 39 Parkside, Cambridge, CB1 1PN. ----------------------- where the web works ----------------------- From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Tue Apr 7 11:12:13 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:12:13 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090407091213.GA15362@weber> On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:12:47PM +0100, Julian Price wrote: > I see from the mailing list archives that there has been talk of > overhauling the website. The next thing to do is to work out who has access to the server, so they can replace the current website with a (potentially temporary) wiki. Tom From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Tue Apr 7 11:55:08 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:55:08 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> Message-ID: <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:12:03AM +0100, Joe Czucha wrote: > Im sure its taken care of but I have a VPS we can make use of if Wiki > hosting if required... Hi there Joe, and welcome, In the interests of doing things ASAP, could you set up a wiki on your server which we can use for displaying some basic info? Then when we work out who admins the current server we can get a link from the current site to the wiki, or move the wiki across. Cheers, Tom From joe.czucha at studio24.net Tue Apr 7 12:34:07 2009 From: joe.czucha at studio24.net (Joe Czucha) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:34:07 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> Message-ID: <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> Hi Tom, No problem - one blank Wiki as requested! http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk (obviously we can move this at a later date or point the DNS at the server so that we can use the 'proper' domain, but this will do for now) I've only just set up the sub-domain so if your DNS hasn't propagated yet, just add: 67.23.8.128 clug.joeczucha.co.uk to your HOSTS file ('/etc/hosts') to view it in the mean time. I'll see if I can turn off anonymous edits etc etc in a bit. Regards, Joe Tom Ellis wrote: > On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:12:03AM +0100, Joe Czucha wrote: >> Im sure its taken care of but I have a VPS we can make use of if Wiki >> hosting if required... > > Hi there Joe, and welcome, > > In the interests of doing things ASAP, could you set up a wiki on your > server which we can use for displaying some basic info? > > Then when we work out who admins the current server we can get a link from > the current site to the wiki, or move the wiki across. > > Cheers, > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org -- Regards, Joe Czucha Web Developer ------------------------------------------------------------------- Studio 24 Ltd, 50 St. Stephen's Place, Cambridge, CB3 0JE e joe.czucha at studio24.net t 0870 241 6159 f 0870 094 0375 w www.studio24.net ------------------------------------------------------------------- For support email us at support at studio24.net View our terms at www.studio24.net/terms/ This email and its attachments may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. 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Registered office address 39 Parkside, Cambridge, CB1 1PN. ----------------------- where the web works ----------------------- From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Tue Apr 7 12:10:06 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:10:06 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> Message-ID: <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> > No problem - one blank Wiki as requested! > > http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk Including the one-page HTML site posted before, that makes 4 candidates for the new CLUG site. http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ http://davedev.org/clug/ http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk I know I called for action, but before rushing into anything... 1) At least, we need someone with administrator access to the website. The last mention I can find is here: Jon Green http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005696.html Mark Roberts http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005704.html Jon, Mark, are you reading these messages? Who has access to the domain names / DNS? Is the site still on Thomas Horsten's server? 2) Some agreement about the new site is needed, especially from long-standing and active members. The nature of this list is that could take some days. The discussion is more stilted because of the 'Digest' option. (Please switch this off, even temporarily, if you want to participate in this conversation. http://lists.infowares.com/cgi-bin/listinfo/clug) That's why I suggested a temporary single static HTML page. It can go on the current server and that would be more achievable in the short term. Thanks, Julian From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Tue Apr 7 14:05:45 2009 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:05:45 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <4126b3450904070505s631a87f6h7f46824445b2bdac@mail.gmail.com> 2009/4/7 Julian Price > > 1) At least, we need someone with administrator access to the website. > The last mention I can find is here: > Jon Green > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005696.html > > Mark Roberts > http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2006-October/005704.html > > Jon, Mark, are you reading these messages? > > Who has access to the domain names / DNS? ?Is the site still on Thomas > Horsten's server? There's a much more recent message from Mark Roberts here: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2009-February/007450.html It looks as though he still has shell access to the server. If Mark is able to use that server to replace the existing site with a new one (e.g. a Semantic MediaWiki one, which shouldn't take long to set up with reCaptcha, judging by my own experience of doing this on a shared host a couple of years ago), then this would obviate the need to alter the DNS. However, if that server is problematic in any way (limited expected remaining lifespan; only one CLUG member with an account; etc), then it may be better to make the DNS change and use a different server. Hopefully this won't be deemed necessary, but if it is, I can also offer the use of a hosting package I've already paid for, which has three years left on it and plenty of room for a MediaWiki instance. Because this is with Dreamhost, I think I should be able to set up a shell (or at least sFTP or WebDav) account for CLUG use, meaning I wouldn't be the sole admin. Clearly, Dave Briggs and Joe Czucha also have some hosting capacity, so I'm not the only one offering this; if we decide to abandon the existing server for whatever reason, Dave, Joe, me and anyone else who might be able to host the site should probably each give a breakdown of what we could offer so that the group can decide which option they prefer. This would, anyway, only be possible if we can find out who is able to update the DNS and persuade them to do so... So, if Mark can pick up the baton at this point, archive the existing site and replace it with either a static page pointing to the mailing list or else a MediaWiki install, that would, I think, be the simplest solution. Best, Sam PS. One final note about MediaWiki: if we end up with a MediaWiki instance, whoever is responsible for maintaining it should sign up to the MediaWiki security/updates mailing list, as vulnerabilities do arise in MediaWiki occasionally, and updates have to be installed if the instance is to remain secure. From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Tue Apr 7 16:04:02 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:04:02 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 11:10:06AM +0100, Julian Price wrote: >> No problem - one blank Wiki as requested! >> http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk > > Including the one-page HTML site posted before, that makes 4 candidates > for the new CLUG site. > > http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ > > http://davedev.org/clug/ > > http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk > > I know I called for action, but before rushing into anything... In the first instance what we set up *has* to be a wiki, so we can actually get on with improving the website rather than just taking about it. How it develops in the future I don't mind, but right now it must be up to date and accurate at least. So, my vote goes for http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk Tom From joe.czucha at studio24.net Tue Apr 7 16:10:51 2009 From: joe.czucha at studio24.net (Joe Czucha) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:10:51 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> Message-ID: <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> I'm easy and I don't want to tread on toes - so I'll just leave it online and you can do as you wish with it :) Also I'm not sure who the best person would be but I'm more than happy to hand over the 'admin' credentials to whoever needs them ;) So does this group have more of an emphasis on Linux as a desktop OS, server OS or neither? Which flavours do you guys use? Joe Tom Ellis wrote: > On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 11:10:06AM +0100, Julian Price wrote: >>> No problem - one blank Wiki as requested! >>> http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk >> Including the one-page HTML site posted before, that makes 4 candidates >> for the new CLUG site. >> >> http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ >> >> http://davedev.org/clug/ >> >> http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk >> >> I know I called for action, but before rushing into anything... > > In the first instance what we set up *has* to be a wiki, so we can actually > get on with improving the website rather than just taking about it. > > How it develops in the future I don't mind, but right now it must be up to > date and accurate at least. > > So, my vote goes for http://clug.joeczucha.co.uk > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org -- Regards, Joe Czucha Web Developer ------------------------------------------------------------------- Studio 24 Ltd, 50 St. Stephen's Place, Cambridge, CB3 0JE e joe.czucha at studio24.net t 0870 241 6159 f 0870 094 0375 w www.studio24.net ------------------------------------------------------------------- For support email us at support at studio24.net View our terms at www.studio24.net/terms/ This email and its attachments may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Studio 24. Studio 24 is a Limited Company registered in England with company number 3971500. Registered office address 39 Parkside, Cambridge, CB1 1PN. ----------------------- where the web works ----------------------- From magnus at therning.org Tue Apr 7 16:29:23 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:29:23 +0100 Subject: Focus of group [Was Re: Website (again)] Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Joe Czucha wrote: > I'm easy and I don't want to tread on toes - so I'll just leave it online > and you can do as you wish with it :) > > Also I'm not sure who the best person would be but I'm more than happy to > hand over the 'admin' credentials to whoever needs them ;) > > So does this group have more of an emphasis on Linux as a desktop OS, server > OS or neither? Which flavours do you guys use? I don't think there's a specific emphasis in the group. Personally I'm using Linux mainly on my desktops, and then for developoment (haskell, python, the odd piece of C code). /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From wawrzek at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 16:39:36 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:39:36 +0100 Subject: Focus of group [Was Re: Website (again)] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/4/7 Magnus Therning : > On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Joe Czucha wrote: [...] >> So does this group have more of an emphasis on Linux as a desktop OS, server >> OS or neither? Which flavours do you guys use? > > I don't think there's a specific emphasis in the group. I agree. Personally I'm using for server at work, for desktop/server at home. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From magnus at therning.org Tue Apr 7 19:48:16 2009 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:48:16 +0100 Subject: Open Source Petition Message-ID: <49DB91E0.4010809@therning.org> Hi all This strikes me as being a sensible petition to sign. If you have a spare minute, please give it a look: http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/open-source-tic/ "The Department for Communities and Local Government (CLG) is running a project called Timely Information to Citizens (TIC). As part of this project, several local authorities are being given funding totalling approximately ?1m to develop software and web services to improve local information and service provision. While CLG's aim is that these projects are incorporated into a "best practice toolkit", we ask the government to reduce duplication of effort and expense and make this software available for other users at the earliest opportunity by releasing each package on deployment under an OSI-approved open source licence. Though we welcome these projects themselves, as citizens we cannot and do not support this substantial sum of public money being spent to create private, proprietary software." /M -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090407/e4a88165/attachment-0001.pgp From onepoint at starurchin.org Wed Apr 8 14:56:14 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:56:14 +0100 Subject: Open Source Petition In-Reply-To: <49DB91E0.4010809@therning.org> References: <49DB91E0.4010809@therning.org> Message-ID: <20090408125614.GG1845@omphalos.singularity> On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 06:48:16PM +0100, Magnus Therning wrote: > This strikes me as being a sensible petition to sign. If you have a > spare minute, please give it a look: > > http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/open-source-tic/ Good suggestion! I have signed. Cheers, Jeremy Henty From clug at gasops.co.uk Wed Apr 8 17:55:11 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:55:11 +0100 Subject: Paging paging! Message-ID: <49DCC8DF.6090501@gasops.co.uk> A bit off-topic but my old pager no longer seems to work. I guess the pager network is uses(used) has been decommissioned. Are there any active pager networks in 2009 in the UK? From clug at gasops.co.uk Thu Apr 16 17:22:51 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:22:51 +0100 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync Message-ID: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> What's the best way of keeping an /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow, group etc) in sync between systems which need to have the same accounts? The systems will *not* be on the same network. One will be a private host and one will be a public host (though may need to keep more than two hosts in sync). From =?UTF-8?B?RGluZXNoIFNoYWggKOCqpuCqv+CqqOCrh+CqtiDgqrbgqr7gqrkv4KSm4KS/4KSo4KWH4KS2IA==?= Thu Apr 16 18:57:12 2009 From: =?UTF-8?B?RGluZXNoIFNoYWggKOCqpuCqv+CqqOCrh+CqtiDgqrbgqr7gqrkv4KSm4KS/4KSo4KWH4KS2IA==?= (=?UTF-8?B?RGluZXNoIFNoYWggKOCqpuCqv+CqqOCrh+CqtiDgqrbgqr7gqrkv4KSm4KS/4KSo4KWH4KS2IA==?=) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:27:12 +0530 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync In-Reply-To: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> References: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: Longman, On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Longman wrote: > > What's the best way of keeping an /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow, group > etc) in sync between systems which need to have the same accounts? ?The > systems will *not* be on the same network. ?One will be a private host > and one will be a public host (though may need to keep more than two > hosts in sync). Why not use NIS+ or LDAP? With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) Shah Micro System +91-98213-11906 Blog: http://dineshah.wordpress.com/ Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dineshah/ From dan at ivixor.net Thu Apr 16 19:06:43 2009 From: dan at ivixor.net (Dan Ros) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:06:43 +0100 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync In-Reply-To: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> References: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Longman wrote: > What's the best way of keeping an /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow, group > etc) in sync between systems which need to have the same accounts? ?The > systems will *not* be on the same network. ?One will be a private host > and one will be a public host (though may need to keep more than two > hosts in sync). NIS/LDAP/PAM-MySQL etc are great but might be a bit cumbersome to set up. If you only have a few machines and users, perhaps something as simple as cheduling a nightly scp (with ssh keys) of the relevant files would do the job? You'd want to set one up as the master and the rest as slaves. You'll just have to be careful to only modify users/passwords on the 'master' box. hth, etc. Dan From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Thu Apr 16 19:31:46 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:31:46 +0100 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync In-Reply-To: References: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <49E76B82.7000909@mansfield.co.uk> Dan Ros wrote: > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Longman wrote: >> What's the best way of keeping an /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow, group >> etc) in sync between systems which need to have the same accounts? The >> systems will *not* be on the same network. One will be a private host >> and one will be a public host (though may need to keep more than two >> hosts in sync). > > NIS/LDAP/PAM-MySQL etc are great but might be a bit cumbersome to set up. I believe that multi-master LDAP which actually works should be here soon - a colleague got it working with help from openldap team and fed back the fixes. In combination with forthcoming samba, it'll be a pretty strong contender for people wanting to avoid windows servers! synchronising ssh keys is probably easier than trying to push updated shadow files around! From nix at esperi.org.uk Thu Apr 16 23:59:45 2009 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:59:45 +0100 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync In-Reply-To: (Dan Ros's message of "Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:06:43 +0100") References: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <87r5zs8dke.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix> On 16 Apr 2009, Dan Ros verbalised: > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Longman wrote: >> What's the best way of keeping an /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow, group >> etc) in sync between systems which need to have the same accounts? ?The >> systems will *not* be on the same network. ?One will be a private host >> and one will be a public host (though may need to keep more than two >> hosts in sync). > > NIS/LDAP/PAM-MySQL etc are great but might be a bit cumbersome to set up. I tried to set up Hesiod a while back. There's native support in glibc and everything, and the idea is lovely, but the way it breaks getpwent() is really annoying. So I'm back to rsync for now. From will.pink at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 00:40:21 2009 From: will.pink at gmail.com (william pink) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:40:21 +0100 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync In-Reply-To: <87r5zs8dke.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix> References: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> <87r5zs8dke.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix> Message-ID: <7891dd830904161540k67ad94d0tc7438755a527332f@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Nix wrote: > On 16 Apr 2009, Dan Ros verbalised: > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Longman wrote: > >> What's the best way of keeping an /etc/passwd (and /etc/shadow, group > >> etc) in sync between systems which need to have the same accounts? The > >> systems will *not* be on the same network. One will be a private host > >> and one will be a public host (though may need to keep more than two > >> hosts in sync). > > > > NIS/LDAP/PAM-MySQL etc are great but might be a bit cumbersome to set up. > > I tried to set up Hesiod a while back. There's native support in glibc > and everything, and the idea is lovely, but the way it breaks getpwent() > is really annoying. So I'm back to rsync for now. > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > Yeah I would of said a Autossh tunnel with a rsync cron job running periodically would do the job -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There's native support in glibc >> and everything, and the idea is lovely, but the way it breaks getpwent() >> is really annoying. So I'm back to rsync for now. >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug at cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > Yeah I would of said a Autossh tunnel with a rsync cron job running > periodically would do the job I'd suggest you take a look at unison if you are planning pushing changes is more than one direction. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From clug at gasops.co.uk Fri Apr 17 10:52:53 2009 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:52:53 +0100 Subject: Keeping /etc/passwds in sync In-Reply-To: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> References: <49E74D4B.3080102@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <49E84365.1030106@gasops.co.uk> Thanks for all the ideas people :-) From onepoint at starurchin.org Fri Apr 17 13:56:17 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:56:17 +0100 Subject: sciencenews.org access problems Message-ID: <20090417115617.GP3899@omphalos.singularity> Is anyone else having problems accessing sciencenews.org ? DownForEveryoneOrJustMe[1] says it's up but nothing I have can make a connection. Firefox, Dillo, Links, wget: all just hang. I have not noticed problems with any other site. Jeremy Henty [1] http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/sciencenews.org From gareth.pullen at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 13:59:15 2009 From: gareth.pullen at gmail.com (Gareth Pullen) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:59:15 +0100 Subject: sciencenews.org access problems In-Reply-To: References: <20090417115617.GP3899@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: It's a bit slow for me, but it works from both my work computer and the 3G connection on my G1. Gareth. On Apr 17, 2009 12:56 PM, "Jeremy Henty" wrote: Is anyone else having problems accessing sciencenews.org ? DownForEveryoneOrJustMe[1] says it's up but nothing I have can make a connection. Firefox, Dillo, Links, wget: all just hang. I have not noticed problems with any other site. Jeremy Henty [1] http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/sciencenews.org _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug at cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20090417/df1b22dd/attachment-0002.htm From onepoint at starurchin.org Fri Apr 17 14:51:40 2009 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:51:40 +0100 Subject: sciencenews.org access problems In-Reply-To: References: <20090417115617.GP3899@omphalos.singularity> Message-ID: <20090417125140.GS3899@omphalos.singularity> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:59:15PM +0100, Gareth Pullen wrote: > It's a bit slow for me, but it works from both my work computer and the 3G > connection on my G1. It works from my bytemark.co.uk host, but here... $ traceroute sciencenews.org traceroute to sciencenews.org (206.16.247.139), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets send: Operation not permitted How I can debug further? Cheers, Jeremy Henty From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Fri Apr 17 20:38:22 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:38:22 +0100 Subject: Twinned Hosting Message-ID: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> >> To be honest I don't quite get what it's about. Sounds interesting though. > It needs a diagram really. I have added a diagram to my 'Twinned Hosting' article at... http://www.julianprice.org.uk ...and rewritten it to make it more readable, hopefully. If you are interested in rock-solid low-to-medium traffic web-hosting for dedicated PCs then please give it a read. Anyone interested in implementing such a setup please get in touch. Thanks, Julian From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Sat Apr 18 01:40:43 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:40:43 +0100 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <49E9137B.3070802@mansfield.co.uk> Julian Price wrote: >>> To be honest I don't quite get what it's about. Sounds interesting >>> though. >> It needs a diagram really. > > I have added a diagram to my 'Twinned Hosting' article at... > > http://www.julianprice.org.uk > > ...and rewritten it to make it more readable, hopefully. > I'm surprised you didn't suggest using BGP multi-site to ensure that the server was always online and not partial to ISP or network outages. From dan at ivixor.net Sat Apr 18 03:29:29 2009 From: dan at ivixor.net (Dan Ros) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:29:29 +0100 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Julian Price wrote: >>> To be honest I don't quite get what it's about. Sounds interesting >>> though. > >> It needs a diagram really. > > I have added a diagram to my 'Twinned Hosting' article at... > > http://www.julianprice.org.uk > > ...and rewritten it to make it more readable, hopefully. > > If you are interested in rock-solid low-to-medium traffic web-hosting for > dedicated PCs then please give it a read. > Few things: If a server fails, it might well have been fixed by the time the administrator has noticed, changed the DNS, and the changes have propagated, Also, only having occasional rsyncs will mean you may still lose data if a server goes down. And a server going down in the middle of a rsync to its mirror could have messy consequences... DRBD might be interesting for you to look at. A safe way to do this with VM's is to use the built in replication/failover features in Xen/VMware. You do tend to need a SAN though. Plus BGP multi-site as has been mentioned already. By the way, what did you use to make the snazzy diagram? Dan From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Sat Apr 18 14:35:21 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:35:21 +0100 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <49E9137B.3070802@mansfield.co.uk> References: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> <49E9137B.3070802@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <49E9C909.1030709@jul17pri.co.uk> Paul wrote: > Julian Price wrote: >>>> To be honest I don't quite get what it's about. Sounds interesting >>>> though. >>> It needs a diagram really. >> I have added a diagram to my 'Twinned Hosting' article at... >> >> http://www.julianprice.org.uk >> >> ...and rewritten it to make it more readable, hopefully. >> > > > I'm surprised you didn't suggest using BGP multi-site to ensure that the > server was always online and not partial to ISP or network outages. I didn't mention it because I've never heard of it! Sounds interesting though. In my experience, all the routing has been taken care of by the hosting company that provided the dedicated servers. They assign a bunch of IPs to the server and that's all you need to know. One host I use (RapidSwitch) allows IPs to be reassigned between servers via a web-based control panel, but only if the servers are in the same data centre. If I have 2 dedicated servers in 2 different data centres run by 2 different hosting companies, can I use BGP or is that out of my hands? How does it help avoid network outages? Thanks, Julian From clug at jul17pri.co.uk Sat Apr 18 15:16:25 2009 From: clug at jul17pri.co.uk (Julian Price) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:16:25 +0100 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: References: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <49E9D2A9.6090000@jul17pri.co.uk> Dan Ros wrote: > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Julian Price wrote: >>>> To be honest I don't quite get what it's about. Sounds interesting >>>> though. >>> It needs a diagram really. >> I have added a diagram to my 'Twinned Hosting' article at... >> >> http://www.julianprice.org.uk >> >> ...and rewritten it to make it more readable, hopefully. >> >> If you are interested in rock-solid low-to-medium traffic web-hosting for >> dedicated PCs then please give it a read. >> > Few things: These are some good points... > If a server fails, it might well have been fixed by the time the > administrator has noticed, changed the DNS, and the changes have > propagated, I should have made clear that I'm not advocating automated fail-over. You're right, usually there's a faulty router or a power failure or a DoS attack or some maintenance going on somewhere and the problem goes away quickly. Otherwise, once the administrator is alerted to a problem, they investigate it and can usually fix it. So the idle server is only activated in a genuine disaster. The DNS propogation time can be reduced by short TTLs. I think a 1 hour TTL is reasonable. ISPs used to ignore anything under 24 hours but in these days of chap & fast bandwidth I think that's disappearing. > Also, only having occasional rsyncs will mean you may still lose data > if a server goes down. Yes, if the twins are sync'd nightly, then up to 24 hours of changes could be lost. But this is the same for conventional nightly backups. There's also the option of syncing more frequently, or even continually with rsync's throttled bandwidth option. But however frequently they are sync'd, there'll be some data loss unless we use an option like DRBD. > And a server going down in the middle of a > rsync to its mirror could have messy consequences... The idle server always has 2 copies of the virtual disk file. One is for syncing and one is running. So if the active server goes down during the rsync, the running VM on the idle server is good for use. Step 5) touches on this. Maybe you mean that the scripts would need some careful error checking and handling to make sure that everything is cleaned up properly, ready for the next attempt. Leaving the database lock on would be disastrous. Leaving the snapshot active would degrade performance, eat disk space, and foul up the next sync. Yes, it could get messy if not handled properly. > DRBD might be > interesting for you to look at. I looked at DRBD, but I was concerned that the bandwidth usage would be too high if every disk write is mirrored. With the twinning method, a sector is only transmitted once even though it was written many times. > A safe way to do this with VM's is to use the built in > replication/failover features in Xen/VMware. I will take a look at that. > By the way, what did you use to make the snazzy diagram? The diagram was done for me by a web designer at http://www.dice-design.co.uk who I happen to be collaborating with on another website project. I think they used illustrator. I'll add a credit for them. Thank you very much for your suggestions and feedback. Julian From ew206 at cam.ac.uk Sun Apr 19 22:36:46 2009 From: ew206 at cam.ac.uk (ew206 at cam.ac.uk) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:36:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: paging companies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are two companies, who will rent you a variety of pagers, which work in more of the UK than mobile phones: and -- Mr Ellis Weinberger Pager: +44 (0)7659 599 845 ; Mobile: +44 (0)7870 755 792 ew206 at cam.ac.uk ; http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/ew206/ From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Mon Apr 20 11:32:11 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:32:11 +0100 Subject: Twinned Hosting In-Reply-To: <49E9C909.1030709@jul17pri.co.uk> References: <49E8CC9E.1080003@jul17pri.co.uk> <49E9137B.3070802@mansfield.co.uk> <49E9C909.1030709@jul17pri.co.uk> Message-ID: <49EC411B.4000001@mansfield.co.uk> Julian Price wrote: >> I'm surprised you didn't suggest using BGP multi-site to ensure that the >> server was always online and not partial to ISP or network outages. > > I didn't mention it because I've never heard of it! Sounds interesting > though. ...snip... well, it's good you're doing your research now :-) > If I have 2 dedicated servers in 2 different data centres run by 2 > different hosting companies, can I use BGP or is that out of my hands? > How does it help avoid network outages? yes, in fact having different providers at different locations helps protect you against a system-wide failure with one provider. the cheapest way to get this done is to find someone who already has a multi-site BGP failover solution, otherwise you need to get a nice big block of PI addresses* from RIPE, get some BGP capable routers, arrange with upstream ISPs to take BGP announcements and get it all configured perfectly otherwise it'll make your system more unreliable! * we have this at $JOB: servers at two distant locations, routed via a /22 block which guarantee global routability, anything smaller than a /23 might be problematic. From jt at camalyn.org Mon Apr 20 20:08:21 2009 From: jt at camalyn.org (jt at camalyn.org) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:08:21 +0100 Subject: JOB: Permanent Stats Programmer | LOCATION: London, England, UK Message-ID: <1240250902.29829.69.camel@linux-qtk6.site> JOB: Permanent Stats Programmer LOCATION: London, England, UK Hi List, I'm working with a business in London that are looking to hire a permanent programmer with experience of working on either mathematical or numerical projects. You need to have experience of both scripting (R would be very applicable!) and also compiled languages - experience of using MySQL or similar would be preferential too. Please email me using james at camalyn.org to discuss further. Thanks, JAMES >> to learn more about Camalyn please visit http://www.camalyn.org From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 17:05:48 2009 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:05:48 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> Message-ID: Hi, Anybody interested in updates to new Wiki? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Apr 24 19:02:37 2009 From: tom-lists-clug2 at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:02:37 +0100 Subject: Website (again) In-Reply-To: References: <49DA7E5F.3070201@jul17pri.co.uk> <49DB18E3.9040701@studio24.net> <20090407095508.GA23214@weber> <49DB2C1F.1060104@studio24.net> <49DB267E.3000401@jul17pri.co.uk> <20090407140401.GC2797@weber> <49DB5EEB.8000408@studio24.net> Message-ID: <20090424170237.GA3558@weber> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 04:05:48PM +0100, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Anybody interested in updates to new Wiki? What's there at the moment looks good. What we need most of all is to get a link to this (or even redirect to it) from cambridge-lug.org. Tom From paul at mansfield.co.uk Sun Apr 26 10:15:10 2009 From: paul at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:15:10 +0100 Subject: broken mailing list manager for clug Message-ID: <49F4180E.20205@mansfield.co.uk> I got another "you've been disabled" message, so I clicked on the link as per the message, and it looks like mailman is STILL b0rked! I definitely didn't receive this message on Friday, so I presume that when mailman barfs it can't send out the reminders, and then by the time they get there they are pointless. |Bad confirmation string |Invalid confirmation string: 12d8e39c16d3ba1e43de68491c6e6a82e2ab04aa. |Note that confirmation strings expire approximately 3 days |after the initial subscription request. If your |confirmation has expired, please try to re-submit |your subscription. 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To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at http://lists.infowares.com/cgi-bin/confirm/clug/12d8e39c16d3ba1e43de68491c6e6a82e2ab04aa From jt at camalyn.org Mon Apr 27 16:36:42 2009 From: jt at camalyn.org (jt) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:36:42 +0100 Subject: JOB: Senior Security Engineer | LOCATION: London, England, UK Message-ID: <49F5C2FA.1080203@camalyn.org> JOB: Senior Security Engineer SALARY: ?60-?75K plus attractive package! LOCATION: London, England, UK Hello ~ I am working with a technology company in London to recruit a Senior Security Engineer. Are you able to translate requirements from regulatory bodies (such as FSI and PCI) into real-world policy and procedure as-well as design and implement appropriately-balanced solutions? Recommend and propose security solutions? You will need to have a strong security background that includes past experience of implementing cryptographic principles to include IPSEC and SSL VPN, PKI, firewalls (Cisco, Juniper. F5 Networks Products) and knowledge ot authentication to include TACCAS+ Radius and 802.1x with two factor authentication. At the same time you must be able to apply network security disciplines and industry standards to ensure confidentiality and integrity, perform network vulnerability scanning using vendor utility tools, responsible for monitoring, IDS/ IPS logs for system and networking anomalies including identifying and partnering with the ncessary teams to reach consensus on remediation. This is a job that will require someone to present to a non-technical business audience too, participate in audits, risk assessments and investigations including technical security evaluation of infrastructure, networks and systems, To discuss further please e-mail me using james at camalyn.org [james camalyn.org] Kind regards, JAMES www.camalyn.org From paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk Mon Apr 27 17:18:04 2009 From: paul+clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:18:04 +0100 Subject: JOB: Senior Security Engineer | LOCATION: London, England, UK In-Reply-To: <49F5C2FA.1080203@camalyn.org> References: <49F5C2FA.1080203@camalyn.org> Message-ID: <49F5CCAC.4030309@mansfield.co.uk> jt wrote: > JOB: Senior Security Engineer Hi James, have you thought about posting them to the linked-in CLUG group discussions->jobs section? Paul