From dom@hidden Thu Sep 4 12:34:21 2008 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Thu Sep 4 11:34:41 2008 Subject: Ubuntu video driver issue In-Reply-To: References: <200808172259.01533.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <200809041134.22220.dom@latter.org> On Sunday 17 August 2008 23:54:41 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Dom Latter wrote: > > Hi, > > > Got me a new wide-screen 1680x1050 display hooked up to my > > dismal old laptop. To get it to run at full res I had to install a > > new driver thus: > > > > sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel > > > > Unfortunately when I try to run the laptop on its own, the > > display is blank (when running X; boot screen, consoles etc > > are all fine). > > Does it mean that display is blank or that X server gives you a black > display? I mean X server gives a black screen (when the laptop is on its own). > I was able to get the laptop on the net and run: > > sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-i810 > > > > from a console to restore the status quo, and now it's back > > home again I've reverted to the "intel" driver to enjoy wide-screen > > grooviness. > > > > Is there a way to have both drivers available, and wire the choice > > into GRUB, so that when it boots I can choose stand-alone config, > > or external display config? > > I guess that you need to find more information about X.org setting for > dual monitors and intel . BTW intel graphics card might need > 915resolution. It's not really a dual monitor thing. If I can start X with the driver of my choice without running "apt-get install" each time that would suffice for now. > BTW. More details about you hardware can be useful :). Dell C400 latitude but it's not IMO terribly relevant. From james@hidden Mon Sep 8 19:32:29 2008 From: james@hidden (james) Date: Mon Sep 8 19:34:01 2008 Subject: JOB: IT HELPDESK/ CAMBRIDGE Message-ID: <1220895149.6240.144.camel@gateway-laptop> JOB hi, I am recruiting for an IT Helpdesk Job in Cambridge. The role will involve providing 1st Line support by phone and in-person to the Cambridge office and may call for some travel to other regional offices too. Part of the job will also include installing, setting up and troubleshooting all aspects of user desktops, software and phone systems. You must have outstanding communication skills with a good telephone manner and strong relationship building skills as the role involves liaison with a number of suppliers e.g. ordering hardware etc. Previous 1st line IT support experience is desirable but not essential. You should have knowledge of Windows and Linux, an understanding of networks is also preferable. For further information please contact me to discuss. All the best JAMES From nuno@hidden Tue Sep 9 00:47:57 2008 From: nuno@hidden (Nuno Leitao) Date: Tue Sep 9 00:48:05 2008 Subject: JOB: IT HELPDESK/ CAMBRIDGE In-Reply-To: <1220895149.6240.144.camel@gateway-laptop> References: <1220895149.6240.144.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: <20338f120809081547q5a7154cci263c570371cc2e9f@mail.gmail.com> unsubscribe 2008/9/8 james : > JOB > > hi, > > I am recruiting for an IT Helpdesk Job in Cambridge. > > The role will involve providing 1st Line support by phone and in-person > to the Cambridge office and may call for some travel to other regional > offices too. Part of the job will also include installing, setting up > and troubleshooting all aspects of user desktops, software and phone > systems. > > You must have outstanding communication skills with a good telephone > manner and strong relationship building skills as the role involves > liaison with a number of suppliers e.g. ordering hardware etc. > > Previous 1st line IT support experience is desirable but not essential. > You should have knowledge of Windows and Linux, an understanding of > networks is also preferable. > > For further information please contact me to discuss. > > All the best > JAMES > > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From wawrzek@hidden Tue Sep 9 01:39:44 2008 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Tue Sep 9 01:39:50 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day 2008 In-Reply-To: References: <448D47FA-D904-4BF7-B1DE-4940285B358B@bbsrc.ac.uk> <48A46BAD.4070909@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi, Anything new about meeting? I'm going to join. Do you need anything special? Wawrzek PS. I would like to discuss different way of CAMLug activates if anybody else is interested in ;) Waw -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From simon.andrews@hidden Tue Sep 9 10:33:52 2008 From: simon.andrews@hidden (Simon Andrews) Date: Tue Sep 9 10:34:04 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day 2008 In-Reply-To: References: <448D47FA-D904-4BF7-B1DE-4940285B358B@bbsrc.ac.uk> <48A46BAD.4070909@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <1B8BCAE9-1A3A-4F67-BEF8-E331ED6D734F@bbsrc.ac.uk> On 9 Sep 2008, at 00:39, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi, > > Anything new about meeting? > > I'm going to join. Do you need anything special? Robert - have you heard whether we've definitely got the market stall spot again? I can probably bring a couple of tables and maybe even a stall / gazebo thing if it looks like its going to rain. I was also going to try to burn a pile of OpenDiscs for current windows users, and some FreeSmug CDs for Mac users. We had a few of these last year and they went down really well. I can also bring along a couple of laptops and some spare batteries which should hopefully run for a few hours. I don't suppose anyone has access to a generator :-) It would be nice to have a good selection of different hardware running linux. Does anyone have one of the linux based ultraportables (EEPC, Wind etc.). This would be a good example of linux going mainstream. It would probably also be good publicity to play the Stephen Fry "Happy birthday to GNU" video which explains free software and gives us celebrity chic! If we're going to do helium balloons then I suppose we need to get those sorted. Any suggestions for what should go on them, or recommendations of where to get them? TTFN Simon. From hjenkins@hidden Tue Sep 9 10:32:44 2008 From: hjenkins@hidden (hjenkins) Date: Tue Sep 9 18:32:59 2008 Subject: set-up difficulties Message-ID: <26106.142.104.193.193.1220977964.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Hello, all, I just moved to Cambridge two weeks ago. Sorry that my first mailing list post is a request for help, but I've just gotten a connection for my (Gentoo Linux) laptop in my university department, and I'm having some difficulties. It seems that nearly every port save 80 & 110 is blocked, but there are also some problems which seem to stem from other restrictions. rsync, webrsync, SMTP, XMPP, and ping don't work. All worked fine from the local webcaf?. There's also something wrong with the way in which dhcpcd and the local server talk, and the department computer person (who doesn't control these rules) made HTTP work using >dhcpcd -I "01:my_hardware_address" -A eth0 Otherwise the server doesn't recognize my computer and ignores its requests. If anyone else has had these problems, I would love to learn from your struggles rather than my own. Secondly, are you actively holding meetings? If so, when? Thanks, and best wishes. From paul@hidden Tue Sep 9 19:49:43 2008 From: paul@hidden (Paul Oldham) Date: Tue Sep 9 19:49:45 2008 Subject: set-up difficulties In-Reply-To: <26106.142.104.193.193.1220977964.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> References: <26106.142.104.193.193.1220977964.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Message-ID: <9253.192.168.2.100.1220982583.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> On Tue, September 9, 2008 17:32, hjenkins said: > Hello, all, Wotcha, welcome aboard. > I just moved to Cambridge two weeks ago. Sorry that my first mailing list > post is a request for help, but I've just gotten a connection for my > (Gentoo Linux) laptop in my university department, and I'm having some > difficulties. > > It seems that nearly every port save 80 & 110 is blocked, but there are > also some problems which seem to stem from other restrictions. rsync, > webrsync, SMTP, XMPP, and ping don't work. Oh lord. How much of a pain is this for you? There is a solution that comes to mind but it costs: get a little server, set up a VPN to the server and then you're home free - you just route your traffic through the VPN. But you're going to be talking UKP17.50 a month or thereabouts even for a Virtual Machine. We use Bytemark[1] for our VM servers and they're pretty solid but they're not the only people in the game. > Secondly, are you actively holding meetings? If so, when? I think so, but I've never been ... -- Paul [1] http://www.bytemark-hosting.co.uk/r/hug From bnicolson@hidden Tue Sep 9 19:58:18 2008 From: bnicolson@hidden (bnicolson@ippimail.com) Date: Tue Sep 9 19:58:42 2008 Subject: set-up difficulties In-Reply-To: <9253.192.168.2.100.1220982583.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> References: <26106.142.104.193.193.1220977964.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <9253.192.168.2.100.1220982583.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> Message-ID: <50869.82.16.102.233.1220983098.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> ?<> ?Meetings, when they happen, are usually on the second Sunday of the month but are always at CB2 in Norfolk Street. Someone will post to ask if anyone's coming. Next one should be 14th. And hallo.? Bev.? ? -- Email and shopping with the feelgood factor! 55% of income to good causes. http://www.ippimail.com From paul-clug@hidden Wed Sep 10 01:36:00 2008 From: paul-clug@hidden (Paul) Date: Wed Sep 10 01:35:51 2008 Subject: VoIP - phone - Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C70860.2010408@mansfield.co.uk> Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi, > > Could you suggest any USB phone (cordless) working with Linux - > ideally with Skype? Otherwise, could you ensure me that I can make > calls from normal phone via Skype using USB Phone Adapter. Of course I > would like to use VoIP with Linux. The second option might be even > better. One phone is enough :) IMHO these usb phones don't actually achieve anything, other than act as a button pad and audio in/out. why not get a bluetooth dongle and a bluetooth headset? you can buy standalone Skype phones now which don't need a PC at all; or a Nokia tablet can do that, as can an series60 phone running Fring (my nokia e65 does it nicely using wifi). for bonus points, avoid Skype, use SIP, with a provider like sipgate.co.uk or localphone or any one of many. An analogue telephone adaptor like the spa2002/pap2t works very well and requires no computer. again, you can do this kind of VOIP with the voip client built-in to many S60 phones, or the nokia tablet, or various soft phones on linux or windows. From robert@hidden Wed Sep 10 11:15:57 2008 From: robert@hidden (Robert Schumann) Date: Wed Sep 10 11:16:04 2008 Subject: set-up difficulties In-Reply-To: <50869.82.16.102.233.1220983098.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> References: <26106.142.104.193.193.1220977964.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <9253.192.168.2.100.1220982583.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> <50869.82.16.102.233.1220983098.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:58 PM, wrote: > > < when?>> > Meetings, when they happen, are usually on the second > Sunday of the month but are always at CB2 in Norfolk Street. Someone will > post to ask if anyone's coming. Next one should be 14th. > In addition, I'll be sending out an email very very soon about Software Freedom Day, which will happen in the centre of Cambridge on Saturday 20 September. As last year, all manner of people are invited, even if you just come to hang around! Robert. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080910/a920a250/attachment.htm From hjenkins@hidden Wed Sep 10 03:37:50 2008 From: hjenkins@hidden (hjenkins) Date: Wed Sep 10 11:38:02 2008 Subject: VoIP - phone - Linux Message-ID: <12280.142.104.193.193.1221039470.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Audio into a laptop is difficult, as it is a very electrically noisy environment. 'Phone-quality sound is easy to get, but if you want decent music or voice recognition you'll need to be more picky about what you buy. Anything you feed through the integrated soundcard will be noisy; if you want to cut that noise, you need an external sound card, either built into the microphone or as a separate sound adapter (which will make even a 1-pound microphone sound much better). See http://www.voicerecognition.com/board/lofiversion/index.php?f19.html for specific product recommendations, some of them wireless. If you find a good way of doing VoIP without nasty user agreements, please tell me; Jingle seems to be in the embryonic stage still, and I've not yet gotten into it. From tom-lists-clug@hidden Wed Sep 10 13:46:19 2008 From: tom-lists-clug@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Wed Sep 10 13:46:28 2008 Subject: VoIP - phone - Linux In-Reply-To: <12280.142.104.193.193.1221039470.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> References: <12280.142.104.193.193.1221039470.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Message-ID: <20080910114619.GA3110@weber> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 02:37:50AM -0700, hjenkins wrote: > Anything you feed through the integrated soundcard will be noisy; if > you want to cut that noise, you need an external sound card On that note, I'm selling an Aureon 5.1 USB MKII external sound card: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~te233/selling/ Tom From hjenkins@hidden Wed Sep 10 07:14:36 2008 From: hjenkins@hidden (hjenkins) Date: Wed Sep 10 15:14:50 2008 Subject: set-up difficulties Message-ID: <12825.142.104.193.193.1221052476.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Thanks, everyone. I've been told today that the restrictions will vanish when the appropriate pieces of paperwork arrive. So cross fingers. In the meanwhile I can't update my system (or access any of the university's public websites), but I suppose many people go for weeks at a time without updating their systems, and survive... :-) I'll try and make it out on the 14th and 20th. From nuno@hidden Fri Sep 12 03:26:12 2008 From: nuno@hidden (Nuno Leitao) Date: Fri Sep 12 03:26:23 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. Message-ID: Hi all, As you might have noticed, I am not particularly active in this mailing list (I'm not even in Cambridge anymore), but I subscribe it because there are still some people around I used to know, and because occasionally there are a few tidbits of useful information kindly donated by the subscribers. For some time now I have noticed the pretty constant flow of job ads in CLUG. Not that I take issue with that particularly, since it can actually be useful for people who might be looking for jobs, but still I'd say someone should benefit from what is clearly a commercial endeavor which will eventually benefit the poster. I therefore suggest that the CLUG administrators create a small fee for job ads to be posted - and for the proceedings to be donated to charity. A ?5 fee per job ad would result in ?50-?100 a year going to charity, since looking back in the archives we seem to be getting 1 or 2 ads per month. Just my $.02. --Nuno From tuxbox.guru@hidden Fri Sep 12 08:04:03 2008 From: tuxbox.guru@hidden (Richard) Date: Fri Sep 12 08:04:18 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CA0653.3040804@gmail.com> I dont see a problem with targeted email. People sell/give away goods on the list too. and thats is not a problem. I personally think you are over-reacting at the 'Quantity' as the job mails I find useful, but there are only one or two job adverts per month... Is that a problem? I am sure you get more email adverts for Viagra in your mailbox. Most agents give a 'finders fee' for successful placement, why not ask for the finders fee to to to the Clug admin for hosting and such. My 0.2c Richard Nuno Leitao wrote: > Hi all, > > As you might have noticed, I am not particularly active in this > mailing list (I'm not even in Cambridge anymore), but I subscribe it > because there are still some people around I used to know, and because > occasionally there are a few tidbits of useful information kindly > donated by the subscribers. > > For some time now I have noticed the pretty constant flow of job ads > in CLUG. Not that I take issue with that particularly, since it can > actually be useful for people who might be looking for jobs, but still > I'd say someone should benefit from what is clearly a commercial > endeavor which will eventually benefit the poster. > > I therefore suggest that the CLUG administrators create a small fee > for job ads to be posted - and for the proceedings to be donated to > charity. > > A ?5 fee per job ad would result in ?50-?100 a year going to charity, > since looking back in the archives we seem to be getting 1 or 2 ads > per month. > > Just my $.02. > > --Nuno_______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From paul@hidden Fri Sep 12 09:41:25 2008 From: paul@hidden (Paul Oldham) Date: Fri Sep 12 09:41:33 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> On 12/09/08 02:26, Nuno Leitao wrote: > For some time now I have noticed the pretty constant flow of job ads > in CLUG. Not that I take issue with that particularly, since it can > actually be useful for people who might be looking for jobs, but still > I'd say someone should benefit from what is clearly a commercial > endeavor which will eventually benefit the poster. Most of them are from James at Camalyn. I confess that this is probably my fault in encouraging him as I found him a DBA after he posted an advert here several times (I should add that this didn't benefit *me*, i was doing it as a favour to a friend who was looking for a job). > I therefore suggest that the CLUG administrators create a small fee > for job ads to be posted - and for the proceedings to be donated to > charity. > > A GBP5 fee per job ad would result in GBP50-GBP100 a year going to > charity, since looking back in the archives we seem to be getting > 1 or 2 ads per month. An agency is going to make into four figures for placing *one* person and advertising via other channels costs money so some sponsorship from the likes of Camalyn, perhaps paying all our server hosting fees, might be worth thinking about ... -- Paul From tuxbox.guru@hidden Fri Sep 12 10:16:16 2008 From: tuxbox.guru@hidden (Richard) Date: Fri Sep 12 10:16:27 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> Most of the arguments are single sided. Look from a point of view from a person on the Clug list that is forced to do windows support for a living... by posting a linux related Job offer here might just be the key to uplift this poor Windows engineers soul and move to greener linux pastures. In that case the job posting is more of a public service offering :-P Richard my 0.4c (inflation is really kicking in now) Paul Oldham wrote: > On 12/09/08 02:26, Nuno Leitao wrote: > >> For some time now I have noticed the pretty constant flow of job ads >> in CLUG. Not that I take issue with that particularly, since it can >> actually be useful for people who might be looking for jobs, but >> still I'd say someone should benefit from what is clearly a >> commercial endeavor which will eventually benefit the poster. > > Most of them are from James at Camalyn. I confess that this is > probably my fault in encouraging him as I found him a DBA after he > posted an advert here several times (I should add that this didn't > benefit *me*, i was doing it as a favour to a friend who was looking > for a job). > >> I therefore suggest that the CLUG administrators create a small fee >> for job ads to be posted - and for the proceedings to be donated to >> charity. >> >> A GBP5 fee per job ad would result in GBP50-GBP100 a year going to >> charity, since looking back in the archives we seem to be getting >> 1 or 2 ads per month. > > An agency is going to make into four figures for placing *one* person > and advertising via other channels costs money so some sponsorship > from the likes of Camalyn, perhaps paying all our server hosting fees, > might be worth thinking about ... > From paul@hidden Fri Sep 12 10:39:27 2008 From: paul@hidden (Paul Oldham) Date: Fri Sep 12 10:39:32 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CA2ABF.9040002@the-hug.org> On 12/09/08 09:16, Richard wrote: > Most of the arguments are single sided. [...] What arguments? No one (posting to the list at least) is (yet) saying we shouldn't have job ads here, just that as they're an income stream in some cases why shouldn't someone benefit. -- Paul From tuxbox.guru@hidden Fri Sep 12 10:43:27 2008 From: tuxbox.guru@hidden (Richard) Date: Fri Sep 12 10:43:46 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA2ABF.9040002@the-hug.org> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> <48CA2ABF.9040002@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <48CA2BAF.9030806@gmail.com> Paul Oldham wrote: > On 12/09/08 09:16, Richard wrote: > >> Most of the arguments are single sided. [...] > > What arguments? No one (posting to the list at least) is (yet) saying > we shouldn't have job ads here, just that as they're an income stream > in some cases why shouldn't someone benefit. > lemme rephrase then.. not argument, but discussion. sorry, wrong choice of words. Richard From clug@hidden Fri Sep 12 12:32:00 2008 From: clug@hidden (Ian Spray) Date: Fri Sep 12 12:32:17 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080912103200.GA6210@minimal.cx> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:16:16AM +0100, Richard wrote: > Most of the arguments are single sided. Look from a point of view from a > person on the Clug list that is forced to do windows support for a > living... by posting a linux related Job offer here might just be the key > to uplift this poor Windows engineers soul and move to greener linux > pastures. > > In that case the job posting is more of a public service offering :-P > Actually, this is pretty much what I was thinking - I've had the joy of looking for a job twice inside 12 months after a long time in one company and, to be honest, if even half the agencies I spoke to were as correctly targeted as the ads posted here I'd have been delighted. I also get more Windows and Games programming job offers in a typical 6 week period than ads on CLUG, despite not ever having written a game (BASIC on a BBC B doesn't count, apparently) or programmed Windows for over 12 years. About my only constructive comment would be that Camalyn's ads could be a little more specific in terms of details, given that the audience here can probably cope with more than just "Programming Linux Databases", but arguably if I'm that interested I could just reply to the advert... Just my 0.00 (my views are worth what you paid for them) TTFN, -- Ian Spray GPG Fingerprint: D170 35A3 C858 6E85 9B5B 1557 4CD5 6F6F E176 2D0A From nuno@hidden Fri Sep 12 13:27:14 2008 From: nuno@hidden (Nuno Leitao) Date: Fri Sep 12 13:27:20 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA2ABF.9040002@the-hug.org> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> <48CA2ABF.9040002@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <20338f120809120427o179f3b19ub190573ea36050da@mail.gmail.com> That's correct - the point is, if we are to get job ads in the list, and considering that agencies don't exactly work for the "benefit" of the members (but rather for the benefit of their own pockets), then contributing in some way for the overall good would be a good thing. My suggestion would be that any job ad would be paid for, either by a small contribution to a charity of choice, or - whenever a job is placed through a list contact, that a finders fee is paid. It would certainly make me feel a lot better for getting (even more) job ads in my mail box. Regards. --Nuno 2008/9/12 Paul Oldham : > On 12/09/08 09:16, Richard wrote: > >> Most of the arguments are single sided. [...] > > What arguments? No one (posting to the list at least) is (yet) saying we > shouldn't have job ads here, just that as they're an income stream in some > cases why shouldn't someone benefit. > > -- > Paul > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From hjenkins@hidden Fri Sep 12 05:34:35 2008 From: hjenkins@hidden (hjenkins) Date: Fri Sep 12 13:34:48 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. Message-ID: <30353.142.104.193.193.1221219275.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> I guess it's currently a gift economy; the CLUG mailing list gives free exposure to job advertisers, and gives subscribers free access to interesting jobs. One might hope that some of the money saved on placement agencies goes to charity, one might suggest it, or one might require it. Separately, if people are annoyed by the job postings, why not ask job posters to include the string "[JOB OFFER]"/"[JOB WANTED]" in the subject line? The people with good jobs can route anything from CLUG with that string to /dev/null, and if job posts start to eat serious bandwidth it could be made a subscription option. It would also make it easier to post the jobs on the website, should anyone find it worthwhile to do that :-). My 1p worth, at current exchange rates. From jt@hidden Fri Sep 12 13:40:57 2008 From: jt@hidden (james) Date: Fri Sep 12 13:42:53 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <30353.142.104.193.193.1221219275.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> References: <30353.142.104.193.193.1221219275.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Message-ID: <1221219657.6407.69.camel@gateway-laptop> hi everyone, I think most of the time a job post is made by me only once in any given month, there has probably been times when an ad might have been re-posted twice in the same month though (I'm not a fan of this but sometimes the response has been very dry). Any post relating to a job ad I do prefix with JOB: so this should allow members to setup rules in their mail clients to deal with these posts or simply click the delete key rather than open and read. In terms of anybody benefiting from my posting jobs ads, I am hoping that it could benefit the group as a whole. I have a genuine interest in all things open source and this could be of benefit to a CLUG member looking for a new job or a CLUG member that maybe even a client looking to recruit themselves. I do run Linux on several machines and there are times when I could do with a bit of help myself, but I tend to turn to Google and find out the answers quicker. However, where and when possible I am happy to offer any assistance to others. If the general consensus of the list is that you don't want me to post jobs ads please let me know and I will immediately stop - I don't want to upset anybody. I'm not promising anything but assuming all is ok for jobs ads to continue to be posted maybe I could come along to one of the CLUG meetups and get a few beers in or someone might like to get in touch with me to talk about arranging a CLUG meet-up. This would be good as you can meet and get to know me ....and me you. thanks James On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 04:34 -0700, hjenkins wrote: > I guess it's currently a gift economy; the CLUG mailing list gives free > exposure to job advertisers, and gives subscribers free access to > interesting jobs. One might hope that some of the money saved on placement > agencies goes to charity, one might suggest it, or one might require it. > > Separately, if people are annoyed by the job postings, why not ask job > posters to include the string "[JOB OFFER]"/"[JOB WANTED]" in the subject > line? > > The people with good jobs can route anything from CLUG with that string to > /dev/null, and if job posts start to eat serious bandwidth it could be > made a subscription option. It would also make it easier to post the jobs > on the website, should anyone find it worthwhile to do that :-). > > My 1p worth, at current exchange rates. > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From delaneygrant@hidden Fri Sep 12 15:23:25 2008 From: delaneygrant@hidden (Grant Delaney) Date: Fri Sep 12 14:23:35 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <1221219657.6407.69.camel@gateway-laptop> References: <30353.142.104.193.193.1221219275.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <1221219657.6407.69.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: Afternoon All I have found it very helpful having job adverts in the mailing list. I have personally replied to a couple. I would say if there were more than a couple a month, it would warrant a clug-jobs@ mail list. I know the job posting are a bit vague but a short mail explaining the position vs posting the entire job description, I would rather have the short one for a quick glance to see if I am interested. A fellow clug member (or soon to be) saving us the hassle of having to wade through all the job sites for a local linux position, I would say let them post here, within reason of course. Regards Grant On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:40 PM, james wrote: > hi everyone, > > I think most of the time a job post is made by me only once in any given > month, there has probably been times when an ad might have been > re-posted twice in the same month though (I'm not a fan of this but > sometimes the response has been very dry). > > Any post relating to a job ad I do prefix with JOB: so this should allow > members to setup rules in their mail clients to deal with these posts or > simply click the delete key rather than open and read. > > In terms of anybody benefiting from my posting jobs ads, I am hoping > that it could benefit the group as a whole. I have a genuine interest > in all things open source and this could be of benefit to a CLUG member > looking for a new job or a CLUG member that maybe even a client looking > to recruit themselves. > > I do run Linux on several machines and there are times when I could do > with a bit of help myself, but I tend to turn to Google and find out the > answers quicker. However, where and when possible I am happy to offer > any assistance to others. > > If the general consensus of the list is that you don't want me to post > jobs ads please let me know and I will immediately stop - I don't want > to upset anybody. > > I'm not promising anything but assuming all is ok for jobs ads to > continue to be posted maybe I could come along to one of the CLUG > meetups and get a few beers in or someone might like to get in touch > with me to talk about arranging a CLUG meet-up. This would be good as > you can meet and get to know me ....and me you. > > thanks James > > > On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 04:34 -0700, hjenkins wrote: >> I guess it's currently a gift economy; the CLUG mailing list gives free >> exposure to job advertisers, and gives subscribers free access to >> interesting jobs. One might hope that some of the money saved on placement >> agencies goes to charity, one might suggest it, or one might require it. >> >> Separately, if people are annoyed by the job postings, why not ask job >> posters to include the string "[JOB OFFER]"/"[JOB WANTED]" in the subject >> line? >> >> The people with good jobs can route anything from CLUG with that string to >> /dev/null, and if job posts start to eat serious bandwidth it could be >> made a subscription option. It would also make it easier to post the jobs >> on the website, should anyone find it worthwhile to do that :-). >> >> My 1p worth, at current exchange rates. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug@cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From paul-clug@hidden Fri Sep 12 16:03:28 2008 From: paul-clug@hidden (Paul M) Date: Fri Sep 12 16:03:19 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> create a separate "clug-jobs" mailing list for people who might be interested, and those of us not interested don't get what we see as spam. From jt@hidden Fri Sep 12 16:20:41 2008 From: jt@hidden (james) Date: Fri Sep 12 16:22:41 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 15:03 +0100, Paul M wrote: > create a separate "clug-jobs" mailing list for people who might be > interested, and those of us not interested don't get what we see as spam. --- in principle that may sound like a good idea. however, as a recruiter that would not work for me im afraid and i probably wouldn't post to that list as i am certain that it would not bring me the results i needed. on the general consensus that its probably more beneficial to receive job ads on/ from the list than to not, could people not just set up a mail rule that handles those posts that are prefixed in the subject and body with "JOB:" thanks J From gareth.pullen@hidden Fri Sep 12 16:34:58 2008 From: gareth.pullen@hidden (gareth pullen) Date: Fri Sep 12 16:35:09 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: Just to chip in here, I'd suggest putting the title as "Job Ad" or something like that, since (in GMail anyway) using the filter "Job:" will pick up on any subject containing the word job, so "cron job" would be picked up too. Unless someone knows of a way to get GMail to be a bit finer in the filter (and no, enclosing it in quotes doesn't change it so it has to have the : after job), I'd prefer to have Job Ad: in the subject. Gareth 2008/9/12 james : > On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 15:03 +0100, Paul M wrote: >> create a separate "clug-jobs" mailing list for people who might be >> interested, and those of us not interested don't get what we see as spam. > > --- > > in principle that may sound like a good idea. however, as a recruiter > that would not work for me im afraid and i probably wouldn't post to > that list as i am certain that it would not bring me the results i > needed. > > on the general consensus that its probably more beneficial to receive > job ads on/ from the list than to not, could people not just set up a > mail rule that handles those posts that are prefixed in the subject and > body with "JOB:" > > thanks J > > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From gareth.pullen@hidden Fri Sep 12 16:39:50 2008 From: gareth.pullen@hidden (gareth pullen) Date: Fri Sep 12 16:39:56 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <1221230215.7296.21.camel@gateway-laptop> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> <1221230215.7296.21.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: > I'm happy to prefix as Job Ad: > > or post job ads from jobs@camalyn.org if that helps instead. then you > can maybe create rules based on this address alone. I think it'd be better to use Job Ad: in the subject, that way anyone can post one and not upset anyone else. Gareth From tuxbox.guru@hidden Fri Sep 12 16:41:25 2008 From: tuxbox.guru@hidden (Richard) Date: Fri Sep 12 16:41:33 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: <48CA7F95.5040607@gmail.com> gareth pullen wrote: > Just to chip in here, I'd suggest putting the title as "Job Ad" or > something like that, since (in GMail anyway) using the filter "Job:" > will pick up on any subject containing the word job, so "cron job" > would be picked up too. > Unless someone knows of a way to get GMail to be a bit finer in the > filter (and no, enclosing it in quotes doesn't change it so it has to > have the : after job), I'd prefer to have Job Ad: in the subject. > > Gareth > > 2008/9/12 james : > >> On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 15:03 +0100, Paul M wrote: >> >>> create a separate "clug-jobs" mailing list for people who might be >>> interested, and those of us not interested don't get what we see as spam. >>> >> --- >> >> in principle that may sound like a good idea. however, as a recruiter >> that would not work for me im afraid and i probably wouldn't post to >> that list as i am certain that it would not bring me the results i >> needed. >> >> on the general consensus that its probably more beneficial to receive >> job ads on/ from the list than to not, could people not just set up a >> mail rule that handles those posts that are prefixed in the subject and >> body with "JOB:" >> >> thanks J >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug@cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > Agreement from me. I have not benefited from the Ad's , but I know people who have, and it would be such a waste to see it go. Richard From paul-clug@hidden Fri Sep 12 17:16:41 2008 From: paul-clug@hidden (Paul M) Date: Fri Sep 12 17:16:27 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <1221219657.6407.69.camel@gateway-laptop> References: <30353.142.104.193.193.1221219275.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <1221219657.6407.69.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: <48CA87D9.2000601@mansfield.co.uk> james wrote: > continue to be posted maybe I could come along to one of the CLUG > meetups and get a few beers in or someone might like to get in touch > with me to talk about arranging a CLUG meet-up. This would be good as > you can meet and get to know me ....and me you. ah, bribery... works for me :-) perhaps you could also gain some cheap publicity by sponsoring Software Freedom Day?! From tom-lists-clug@hidden Fri Sep 12 17:52:17 2008 From: tom-lists-clug@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri Sep 12 17:52:22 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: <20080912155217.GB3054@weber> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 03:34:58PM +0100, gareth pullen wrote: > Just to chip in here, I'd suggest putting the title as "Job Ad" or > something like that, since (in GMail anyway) using the filter "Job:" > will pick up on any subject containing the word job, so "cron job" > would be picked up too. Why on earth do people continue to use GMail? Its filtering capabilities sound absolutely rubbish. From clug@hidden Fri Sep 12 17:54:39 2008 From: clug@hidden (Longman) Date: Fri Sep 12 17:54:58 2008 Subject: VoIP - phone - Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CA90BF.2060709@gasops.co.uk> * Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi, > > Could you suggest any USB phone (cordless) working with Linux - > ideally with Skype? Otherwise, could you ensure me that I can make > calls from normal phone via Skype using USB Phone Adapter. Of course I > would like to use VoIP with Linux. The second option might be even > better. One phone is enough :) With rebtel you don't even need VoIP support. Any phone can be used and they do the VoIP in between for you. Handy when all you have is a payphone ;-) From ben@hidden Fri Sep 12 18:04:51 2008 From: ben@hidden (Ben Whyte) Date: Fri Sep 12 18:04:59 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA7F95.5040607@gmail.com> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> <48CA7F95.5040607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CA9323.9010806@whyte-systems.co.uk> I would chip in and say that James is a particulalry considerate job poster compared to one or two of the lug lists I belong to. I suggest that he is allowed to continue posting to the list, maybe making the subject job ad: for filtering purposes. My .02p Ben From tom-lists-clug@hidden Fri Sep 12 18:07:58 2008 From: tom-lists-clug@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri Sep 12 18:08:03 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA9323.9010806@whyte-systems.co.uk> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> <48CA7F95.5040607@gmail.com> <48CA9323.9010806@whyte-systems.co.uk> Message-ID: <20080912160758.GA4567@weber> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 05:04:51PM +0100, Ben Whyte wrote: > I would chip in and say that James is a particulalry considerate job poster > compared to one or two of the lug lists I belong to. I suggest that he is > allowed to continue posting to the list, maybe making the subject job ad: > for filtering purposes. For what it's worth, I'm entirely in support of that. Also note that this discussion has already grown to a number of messages equal to over 1.5 years' worth of James' postings. From drewfitzsimmons@hidden Fri Sep 12 19:33:38 2008 From: drewfitzsimmons@hidden (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Fri Sep 12 19:33:44 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <20080912160758.GA4567@weber> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> <48CA7F95.5040607@gmail.com> <48CA9323.9010806@whyte-systems.co.uk> <20080912160758.GA4567@weber> Message-ID: <126d63860809121033g15fd15c0l4aab981c98baacd@mail.gmail.com> I also do not object to job ads on this list. ...and I quite like gmail. ;) -- Drew Fitzsimmons From dom@hidden Fri Sep 12 23:55:35 2008 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Fri Sep 12 22:55:48 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <20080912160758.GA4567@weber> References: <48CA9323.9010806@whyte-systems.co.uk> <20080912160758.GA4567@weber> Message-ID: <200809122255.35928.dom@latter.org> On Friday 12 September 2008 18:07:58 Tom Ellis wrote: > For what it's worth, I'm entirely in support of that. Also note that this > discussion has already grown to a number of messages equal to over 1.5 > years' worth of James' postings. In that case I'll chip in to help it on its way to 2.0. And point out that James does seem to read the list, doesn't just use it for his own ends, hasn't got all huffy about the suggestions put forward... Sponsoring Software Freedom Day sounds like an excellent idea to me. Am I allowed to say "win-win situation"? From tom-lists-clug@hidden Fri Sep 12 23:01:09 2008 From: tom-lists-clug@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri Sep 12 23:01:15 2008 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <200809122255.35928.dom@latter.org> References: <48CA9323.9010806@whyte-systems.co.uk> <20080912160758.GA4567@weber> <200809122255.35928.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <20080912210109.GA11407@weber> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:55:35PM +0200, Dom Latter wrote: > Sponsoring Software Freedom Day sounds like an excellent idea to me. > Am I allowed to say "win-win situation"? I don't think James has actually agreed to that yet! But if so, "win-win" I agree. Marvellous :-) From robert@hidden Sun Sep 14 00:14:38 2008 From: robert@hidden (Robert Schumann) Date: Sun Sep 14 00:14:45 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day - next Saturday! Message-ID: Hi all, It's come that time of the year again, and you're all invited to come spread the word about software freedom in Cambridge next week, joining teams from around the world who are participating in Software Freedom Day. This is the fifth celebration of SFD, since it started with a modest 20-odd team in 2004, and this year we're heading for well over 500 teams registered. Please let me (and the list) know if you are able to come down to Market Square (outside the Guildhall) for a few hours on Saturday! No special skills are required, and there will be a supply of coffee and other bits as required. In support of the event, we have so far procured (in addition to a permit to hold the event): * a few tables from Simon Andrews * a stall/gazebo in case it rains from Simon * soda stream from Paul M * SuSE DVDs from Paul M * one or two Elonex webbooks courtesy of The Open Learning Centre ...and the official SFD supplies: * 100 or so Ubuntu CDs in professional-looking sleeves * 3 or 4 T-shirts (they are allegedly larger than last years!) * a bunch of SFD stickers * a handful of SFD balloons * some SFD badges * one or two OpenEducation Discs T-shirts will be distributed to first comers on Saturday morning - we're planning to be up and running at 09.00 and go until 13.00 or later if we feel inspired. We're still looking for volunteers to (a) get hold of (i.e. print) some suitable leaflets to hand out, and (b) produce some Open Discs (we have none at the moment). Please let us know if you're up to it! Robert. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080913/04accbe1/attachment.htm From simon.andrews@hidden Mon Sep 15 09:36:02 2008 From: simon.andrews@hidden (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Mon Sep 15 09:36:16 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day - next Saturday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Robert Schumann > Sent: 13 September 2008 23:15 > To: Cambridge LUG > > We're still looking for volunteers to (a) get hold of (i.e. print) > some suitable leaflets to hand out, and (b) produce some Open > Discs (we have none at the moment). Please let us know if you're up to it! I have access to a decent colour laser printer and can run off some copies if you like. Were you just thinking of going with the standard leaflet from the software freedom day website - or does anyone know of any other good sources of information? I also already have a box of 50 OpenDisc CDs in nice origami cases which I'll bring along. I'll bring the tables and stall to the road down the side of the town hall (the same place as last year) at around 9am. It would be really good if one or two people can meet me there to start setting up as I will have to go off and park somewhere else. Any volunteers? TTFN Simon. From tomharling@hidden Wed Sep 17 00:00:02 2008 From: tomharling@hidden (Tom Harling) Date: Wed Sep 17 00:00:24 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <200809150626.91e48ce386533e@rly-md08.mx.aol.com> References: <200809150626.91e48ce386533e@rly-md08.mx.aol.com> Message-ID: <48D02C62.8070603@aol.com> Hi Can we bring along laptops (Software Freedom Day) - I have one which I run Ubuntu on and thought it would be cool to bring it along + show people? (Also, will there be benches etc. to put stuff on?) Thanks Tom From tom-lists-clug@hidden Wed Sep 17 00:04:55 2008 From: tom-lists-clug@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Wed Sep 17 00:04:59 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <48D02C62.8070603@aol.com> References: <200809150626.91e48ce386533e@rly-md08.mx.aol.com> <48D02C62.8070603@aol.com> Message-ID: <20080916220455.GA5376@weber> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:00:02PM +0100, Tom Harling wrote: > Can we bring along laptops (Software Freedom Day) - I have one which I run > Ubuntu on and thought it would be cool to bring it along + show people? > (Also, will there be benches etc. to put stuff on?) Yeah good idea. I'll try to bring along my Eee. Last year there was a large bench displaying many gadgets. From robert@hidden Wed Sep 17 00:30:02 2008 From: robert@hidden (Robert Schumann) Date: Wed Sep 17 00:30:10 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day - next Saturday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 8:36 AM, simon andrews (BI) < simon.andrews@bbsrc.ac.uk> wrote: > I'll bring the tables and stall to the road down the side of the town > hall (the same place as last year) at around 9am. It would be really > good if one or two people can meet me there to start setting up as I > will have to go off and park somewhere else. > > Any volunteers? In case it wasn't obvious, I'm volunteering. See you then. R. > > > TTFN > > Simon. > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080916/cd080b91/attachment.htm From wawrzek@hidden Wed Sep 17 13:05:12 2008 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed Sep 17 13:05:18 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day - next Saturday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Robert Schumann wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 8:36 AM, simon andrews (BI) > wrote: [...] >> Any volunteers? > > In case it wasn't obvious, I'm volunteering. See you then. Another one. We might exchange mobiles number. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From simon.andrews@hidden Wed Sep 17 13:11:35 2008 From: simon.andrews@hidden (Simon Andrews) Date: Wed Sep 17 13:11:28 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day - next Saturday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 17 Sep 2008, at 12:05, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Another one. We might exchange mobiles number. That's a very good suggestion. Mine's 0795 101 9478 Simon. From admin@hidden Wed Sep 17 20:27:00 2008 From: admin@hidden (Admin) Date: Wed Sep 17 20:27:56 2008 Subject: need some development Message-ID: <48D14BF4.8080903@backup-data.net> Hi there, I am sysadmin for a company based in Cambridge, this company needs someone for a small development. Kind of extension/plug-in for picture viever under Linux, function "send to" The most interesting is Canola2 on Nokia N810, we are going to use it as demo for inhouse product. Please take a look for more info: http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/developer.html If you are intrested in this please contact me on priv: admin@backup-data.net Thanks, Alex PS. Sorry for this spam, it isn't job offer ;) From paul@hidden Wed Sep 17 20:53:14 2008 From: paul@hidden (Paul Oldham) Date: Wed Sep 17 20:53:12 2008 Subject: need some development In-Reply-To: <48D14BF4.8080903@backup-data.net> References: <48D14BF4.8080903@backup-data.net> Message-ID: <6463.192.168.2.100.1221677594.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> On Wed, September 17, 2008 19:27, Alex said: > Hi there, > I am sysadmin for a company based in Cambridge, this company needs > someone for a small development. [...] > PS. Sorry for this spam, it isn't job offer ;) And it isn't really English either ... -- Paul From paul@hidden Wed Sep 17 22:57:22 2008 From: paul@hidden (Paul Oldham) Date: Wed Sep 17 22:57:29 2008 Subject: need some development In-Reply-To: <6463.192.168.2.100.1221677594.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> References: <48D14BF4.8080903@backup-data.net> <6463.192.168.2.100.1221677594.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> Message-ID: <48D16F32.9030602@the-hug.org> On 17/09/08 19:53, Paul Oldham wrote: > On Wed, September 17, 2008 19:27, Alex said: > >> Hi there, >> I am sysadmin for a company based in Cambridge, this company needs >> someone for a small development. [...] >> PS. Sorry for this spam, it isn't job offer ;) > > And it isn't really English either ... ... but then neither's Alex. :-( My apologies to him. We've talked about this requirement off list. He's a bit vague on details but it looks like it's probably a Python job. They just want it to demonstrate their device so the code produced can be Open Sourced and they are looking for a contractor to do the work to whom they will pay market rates. If that sounds like it's up your street then you need to speak to Alex (it's not mine, I'm a PHP weenie, never really got into Python). -- Paul From turnerst@hidden Wed Sep 17 22:59:39 2008 From: turnerst@hidden (Stuart Turner) Date: Wed Sep 17 22:59:50 2008 Subject: need some development In-Reply-To: <48D16F32.9030602@the-hug.org> References: <48D14BF4.8080903@backup-data.net> <6463.192.168.2.100.1221677594.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> <48D16F32.9030602@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <00bc01c91908$4e237870$ea6a6950$@co.uk> I can help with Python. Need more details. -----Original Message----- From: clug-bounces@cambridge-lug.org [mailto:clug-bounces@cambridge-lug.org] On Behalf Of Paul Oldham Sent: 17 September 2008 21:57 To: CLUG Subject: Re: need some development On 17/09/08 19:53, Paul Oldham wrote: > On Wed, September 17, 2008 19:27, Alex said: > >> Hi there, >> I am sysadmin for a company based in Cambridge, this company needs >> someone for a small development. [...] >> PS. Sorry for this spam, it isn't job offer ;) > > And it isn't really English either ... ... but then neither's Alex. :-( My apologies to him. We've talked about this requirement off list. He's a bit vague on details but it looks like it's probably a Python job. They just want it to demonstrate their device so the code produced can be Open Sourced and they are looking for a contractor to do the work to whom they will pay market rates. If that sounds like it's up your street then you need to speak to Alex (it's not mine, I'm a PHP weenie, never really got into Python). -- Paul _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug@cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From robert@hidden Thu Sep 18 22:20:46 2008 From: robert@hidden (Robert Schumann) Date: Thu Sep 18 22:20:53 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <20080916220455.GA5376@weber> References: <200809150626.91e48ce386533e@rly-md08.mx.aol.com> <48D02C62.8070603@aol.com> <20080916220455.GA5376@weber> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:00:02PM +0100, Tom Harling wrote: > > Can we bring along laptops (Software Freedom Day) - I have one which I > run > > Ubuntu on and thought it would be cool to bring it along + show people? > > (Also, will there be benches etc. to put stuff on?) > > Yeah good idea. I'll try to bring along my Eee. Last year there was a > large bench displaying many gadgets. > I have now taken delivery of two Elonex webbooks from an organisation called The Open Learning Centre. They are nifty little gadgets running Ubuntu and available at Carphone Warehouse. Does anyone who might be coming along to SFD in Cambridge on Saturday (reminder: from 9am, outside the Guildhall on Market Square) have a 3G dongle? Apparently these devices do work OK, our of the box, with such dongles, and it might be fun to try it out on Saturday and have the internet to entertain people. R. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080918/636fdeef/attachment.htm From magnus@hidden Thu Sep 18 22:41:07 2008 From: magnus@hidden (Magnus Therning) Date: Thu Sep 18 22:41:14 2008 Subject: Ergonomic keyboards to borrow? Message-ID: Is there anywhere in Cambridge I can turn to borrow or rent an ergonomic keyboard before I go off spending my money? /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From paul@hidden Fri Sep 19 13:02:42 2008 From: paul@hidden (Paul Hardwick) Date: Fri Sep 19 13:03:31 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day References: <200809150626.91e48ce386533e@rly-md08.mx.aol.com><48D02C62.8070603@aol.com> <20080916220455.GA5376@weber> Message-ID: <002301c91a47$3fef3010$080b280a@OPTION.local> Hi Robert, Excuse me jumping in... I am happy to loan out an "unlocked" Icon 225 - I cant offer a SIM. Fyi I wrote the HSOconnect app that was initially used for the Orange package. www.pharscape.org Cheers, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Schumann To: Tom Ellis ; clug@cambridge-lug.org Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:20 PM Subject: Re: Software Freedom Day On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Tom Ellis wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:00:02PM +0100, Tom Harling wrote: > Can we bring along laptops (Software Freedom Day) - I have one which I run > Ubuntu on and thought it would be cool to bring it along + show people? > (Also, will there be benches etc. to put stuff on?) Yeah good idea. I'll try to bring along my Eee. Last year there was a large bench displaying many gadgets. I have now taken delivery of two Elonex webbooks from an organisation called The Open Learning Centre. They are nifty little gadgets running Ubuntu and available at Carphone Warehouse. Does anyone who might be coming along to SFD in Cambridge on Saturday (reminder: from 9am, outside the Guildhall on Market Square) have a 3G dongle? Apparently these devices do work OK, our of the box, with such dongles, and it might be fun to try it out on Saturday and have the internet to entertain people. R. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug@cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080919/efb835d6/attachment.html From hjenkins@hidden Fri Sep 19 05:23:21 2008 From: hjenkins@hidden (hjenkins) Date: Fri Sep 19 13:23:31 2008 Subject: place to post about Software Freedom Day? Message-ID: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Hello, all, Would posting on this Cambridge site: http://www.wereallneighbours.co.uk/ about Software Freedom Day (and maybe about CLUG) be a good idea? All the best, Hazel From onepoint@hidden Fri Sep 19 14:12:17 2008 From: onepoint@hidden (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri Sep 19 14:12:30 2008 Subject: place to post about Software Freedom Day? In-Reply-To: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> References: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Message-ID: <20080919121217.GD12572@omphalos.onepoint> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 04:23:21AM -0700, hjenkins wrote: > Would posting on this Cambridge site: > http://www.wereallneighbours.co.uk/ > > about Software Freedom Day (and maybe about CLUG) be a good idea? I think so. I use that site as my main portal for finding out about Cambridge events, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Cheers, Jeremy Henty From tom-lists-clug@hidden Fri Sep 19 19:43:48 2008 From: tom-lists-clug@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri Sep 19 19:43:54 2008 Subject: place to post about Software Freedom Day? In-Reply-To: <20080919121217.GD12572@omphalos.onepoint> References: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <20080919121217.GD12572@omphalos.onepoint> Message-ID: <20080919174348.GA3897@weber> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 01:12:17PM +0100, Jeremy Henty wrote: > On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 04:23:21AM -0700, hjenkins wrote: > > > Would posting on this Cambridge site: > > http://www.wereallneighbours.co.uk/ > > > > about Software Freedom Day (and maybe about CLUG) be a good idea? > > I think so. I use that site as my main portal for finding out about > Cambridge events, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Has this been submitted? I've just looked at the site and can't see anything about SFD. I've never used the site before though, so I don't necessarily know what I'm doing! Tom From dom@hidden Fri Sep 19 22:56:48 2008 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Fri Sep 19 21:57:02 2008 Subject: place to post about Software Freedom Day? In-Reply-To: <20080919174348.GA3897@weber> References: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <20080919121217.GD12572@omphalos.onepoint> <20080919174348.GA3897@weber> Message-ID: <200809192156.49360.dom@latter.org> On Friday 19 September 2008 19:43:48 Tom Ellis wrote: [ http://www.wereallneighbours.co.uk/ ] > Has this been submitted? I've just looked at the site and can't see > anything about SFD. I've never used the site before though, so I don't > necessarily know what I'm doing! I can't see anything, but then you have to plough through three pages just to wind the clock back 24 hours. There's sod-all categorisation and everybody posts threads with uninformative titles so the only way of staying on top of things is by devoting vast amounts of time to it. Maybe that's *why* it's a popular site... From paul-clug@hidden Fri Sep 19 23:53:46 2008 From: paul-clug@hidden (Paul) Date: Fri Sep 19 23:53:37 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day - next Saturday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D41F6A.3050607@mansfield.co.uk> Robert Schumann wrote: > * soda stream from Paul M > * SuSE DVDs from Paul M I feel like an utter *** for doing this, but office refurbishment's gone over time and I'm not going to be able to make it after all... notwithstanding still suffering from a twisted ankle which makes standing for any length of time difficult. I'll have to make up for it and come to a clug night and buy some drinks. really sorry for this, if I tried to get out of it I'd be getting some very dirty looks from those who're working. :-( From wawrzek@hidden Sat Sep 20 00:01:33 2008 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sat Sep 20 00:01:39 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day - next Saturday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, mine: 07917447988 What time and where I should be? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From mcconville.steve@hidden Sat Sep 20 00:06:22 2008 From: mcconville.steve@hidden (Steve McConville) Date: Sat Sep 20 00:06:38 2008 Subject: place to post about Software Freedom Day? In-Reply-To: <200809192156.49360.dom@latter.org> References: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <20080919121217.GD12572@omphalos.onepoint> <20080919174348.GA3897@weber> <200809192156.49360.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <56652bc0809191506x4290b2ccud146c377ded31314@mail.gmail.com> > I can't see anything, but then you have to plough through three pages > just to wind the clock back 24 hours. There's sod-all categorisation > and everybody posts threads with uninformative titles so the only > way of staying on top of things is by devoting vast amounts of time > to it. Maybe that's *why* it's a popular site... Are you looking at the 'idle chat' section? The 'cambridge events' section has categories. It strikes me as a largely abandoned mid-90s php custom codebase (like I used to write). FWIW I have a (buggy) RSS-producing screen scraper for it at http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/cgi-bin/scraper.cgi that I keep meaning to add categorisation features to. -- steev http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/ From dom@hidden Sat Sep 20 01:41:12 2008 From: dom@hidden (Dom Latter) Date: Sat Sep 20 00:41:45 2008 Subject: place to post about Software Freedom Day? In-Reply-To: <56652bc0809191506x4290b2ccud146c377ded31314@mail.gmail.com> References: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <200809192156.49360.dom@latter.org> <56652bc0809191506x4290b2ccud146c377ded31314@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809200041.13509.dom@latter.org> On Saturday 20 September 2008 00:06:22 Steve McConville wrote: > Are you looking at the 'idle chat' section? The 'cambridge events' Certainly am. > section has categories. It strikes me as a largely abandoned mid-90s > php custom codebase (like I used to write). FWIW I have a (buggy) Yep. One of the more baffling "features" is that the site doesn't record IP addresses when people send personal messages. (Maybe it just doesn't, ever). From nix@hidden Sat Sep 20 19:18:02 2008 From: nix@hidden (Nix) Date: Sat Sep 20 19:18:11 2008 Subject: Ergonomic keyboards to borrow? In-Reply-To: (Magnus Therning's message of "Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:41:07 +0100") References: Message-ID: <873aju7n3p.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix> On 18 Sep 2008, Magnus Therning verbalised: > Is there anywhere in Cambridge I can turn to borrow or rent an > ergonomic keyboard before I go off spending my money? I'd be rather interested too: sometime soon, I'll have to survive for a few weeks without my Maltron while it's serviced. The problem is that good ergonomic keyboards are *expensive* (hundreds of quid) and not-good ones don't help at all. (Not for me, anyway.) From drewfitzsimmons@hidden Sat Sep 20 22:29:45 2008 From: drewfitzsimmons@hidden (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Sat Sep 20 22:29:56 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. Message-ID: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I'd just like to say it was good to meet all who were there in market square. I was quite surprised by the number of people who were wandering up and taking an interest even during the brief time I was there. Later in the afternoon I went into carphone warehouse, they do have those webbook machines set-up in every store running a full ubuntu OS.... again I was quite surprised. Later still I happened to be in John Lewis and was checking out the computer section as I tend to do. They have the Acer Aspire One for sale for the same price as the carphone warehouse webbooks. It is running Linpus which (apart from being an awful name) is pretty limited in terms of functionality. But they have a large harddisk and run on the intel atom processor rather than the via chip in webboks so I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem installing real linux OS installed. I was so shocked to find so many linux based laptops (netbooks) on sale on the high street. Sorry if this is old news to everyone else but it was an eyeopener for me. Anyway it'd be good to meet up and talk about geeky stuff, when is the next get together likely to be? -- Drew Fitzsimmons From tom-lists-clug@hidden Sat Sep 20 23:04:08 2008 From: tom-lists-clug@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat Sep 20 23:04:13 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 09:29:45PM +0100, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > I was so shocked to find so many linux based laptops (netbooks) on > sale on the high street. Sorry if this is old news to everyone else > but it was an eyeopener for me. Yeah it's the EeePC that did it. Before that there wasn't anything else, I don't think. From robert@hidden Sat Sep 20 23:35:35 2008 From: robert@hidden (Robert Schumann) Date: Sat Sep 20 23:35:42 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> Message-ID: Hi all, Well, SFD 08 came and went in Cambridge, and altogether I think it came and went very successfully. We were out in Market Square from 09h00 to 13h00 on a lovely sunny day (that's two in a row for SFD in Cambridge!). We handed out 50 Open Discs, around 80 Ubuntu CDs, and a sheaf of leaflets produced by Simon (in addition to luring kids over to come get balloons and stickers from us). People were very interested to see the webbooks, partly since they're such compact devices that people are curious to see if they really work... Thanks to Simon, Hazel, Wawrzek and Tom for contributing time and materials. Robert. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080920/497f7aab/attachment.htm From tom-lists-clug@hidden Sat Sep 20 23:53:25 2008 From: tom-lists-clug@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat Sep 20 23:53:30 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> Message-ID: <20080920215325.GA4139@weber> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 10:35:35PM +0100, Robert Schumann wrote: > Thanks to Simon, Hazel, Wawrzek and Tom for contributing time and materials. Thanks very much Robert for organizing the event. Simon, Wawrzek and Hazel did most of the rest of the work. I just tagged along for a bit. Tom From hjenkins@hidden Sun Sep 21 04:58:12 2008 From: hjenkins@hidden (hjenkins) Date: Sun Sep 21 12:58:22 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day Message-ID: <32850.142.104.193.193.1221994692.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Well, we gave away all 50 OpenDisks in the first two hours. I think that can be counted as a success. After I left with some CDs & leaflets and went to an 11am appointment, I walked up Mill Road with them. The pedestrians were all really rushed, so I tried stores. I hope this is legal. Notes: People walking past on the street are busy going somewhere. Store clerks in dead-quiet shops are bored stiff and really happy to talk to someone at length. Not one was uninterested (I skipped shops with customers). People in new-agey shops are suddenly all for you when you say "gift economy". People in low-profit-margin shops are REALLY interested. Part of an exchange with the owner/manager of an independent food shop, about a Ubuntu CD, ran something like this: "...This is an complete operating system..." "So this is like Windows?" "You can run a computer with it just like Windows...[summary of install]" "So, does this have all the Windows programs?" "No, but it has programs that do the same things. For instance, Open Office..." "And it's free?" "Yes, and you can make as many copies as you like." Thoughtful pause. "Thank you very much. I will try it." One owner in an internet cafe had heard of open-source and was delighted to have a Ubuntu CD. He photocopied my last leaflet and said that he was glad he'd talked to me. I gave away all my materials before 1 and got back to Market Square around 1:30. I really liked doing this. Giving things to people is fun. Is there any sort of student orientation/clubs fair that we could do this at? I'd volunteer to organize it. Things that would be nice for next time: A CLUG card Seperate explanation leaflets geared at private individuals and managers, with addresses for www.theopendisk.com etc.. The leaflet was great, but I got a lot of other questions too. Finally, since there seem to be no objections, I'll post CLUG on the sites that people have mentioned sometime this week. From db@hidden Sun Sep 21 13:03:39 2008 From: db@hidden (Dave Briggs) Date: Sun Sep 21 13:04:00 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <32850.142.104.193.193.1221994692.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> References: <32850.142.104.193.193.1221994692.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Message-ID: This is great stuff, excellent to hear you had such a positive response. To make up CLUG cards, moo.com might be some good guys to try - they like to support stuff like this so could probably offer a discount. They do stickers etc too, which might be cool. Dave On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 11:58 AM, hjenkins wrote: > Well, we gave away all 50 OpenDisks in the first two hours. I think that > can be counted as a success. > > After I left with some CDs & leaflets and went to an 11am appointment, I > walked up Mill Road with them. The pedestrians were all really rushed, so > I tried stores. I hope this is legal. Notes: > > People walking past on the street are busy going somewhere. Store clerks > in dead-quiet shops are bored stiff and really happy to talk to someone at > length. Not one was uninterested (I skipped shops with customers). > > People in new-agey shops are suddenly all for you when you say "gift > economy". > > People in low-profit-margin shops are REALLY interested. Part of an > exchange with the owner/manager of an independent food shop, about a > Ubuntu CD, ran something like this: > "...This is an complete operating system..." > "So this is like Windows?" > "You can run a computer with it just like Windows...[summary of install]" > "So, does this have all the Windows programs?" > "No, but it has programs that do the same things. For instance, Open > Office..." > "And it's free?" > "Yes, and you can make as many copies as you like." > Thoughtful pause. > "Thank you very much. I will try it." > One owner in an internet cafe had heard of open-source and was delighted > to have a Ubuntu CD. He photocopied my last leaflet and said that he was > glad he'd talked to me. > > I gave away all my materials before 1 and got back to Market Square around > 1:30. > > I really liked doing this. Giving things to people is fun. Is there any > sort of student orientation/clubs fair that we could do this at? I'd > volunteer to organize it. > > Things that would be nice for next time: > A CLUG card > Seperate explanation leaflets geared at private individuals and managers, > with addresses for www.theopendisk.com etc.. The leaflet was great, but I > got a lot of other questions too. > > Finally, since there seem to be no objections, I'll post CLUG on the sites > that people have mentioned sometime this week. > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Dave Briggs db@davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From db@hidden Sun Sep 21 13:14:47 2008 From: db@hidden (Dave Briggs) Date: Sun Sep 21 13:14:53 2008 Subject: website Message-ID: Hi all What's the status of the CLUG website at the moment? Seems the latest news item was back in 2006. I think there's plenty that could be done with it, maybe some more regular newsy bits, aggregating stuff of various websites could happen too. Happy to take this on, if nobody minds? Cheers -- Dave Briggs db@davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From drewfitzsimmons@hidden Sun Sep 21 16:57:55 2008 From: drewfitzsimmons@hidden (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Sun Sep 21 16:58:08 2008 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I went to the website last night and tried to create a members account. Either I'm being really stupid (this is entirely possible) or something is broken. It didn't seem to want to work at all. When you click register it just clears the form and nothing happens. I was also wondering how many of the people on this list have a blog. Might it be possible to turn part of the website into a "planet" to aggregate content from blogs? It would rely on people's blogs being at least slightly relevant to local events or free software..... Just a thought. Drew On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Dave Briggs wrote: > Hi all > > What's the status of the CLUG website at the moment? Seems the latest > news item was back in 2006. > > I think there's plenty that could be done with it, maybe some more > regular newsy bits, aggregating stuff of various websites could happen > too. > > Happy to take this on, if nobody minds? > > Cheers > > -- > Dave Briggs > db@davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Drew Fitzsimmons From db@hidden Sun Sep 21 17:02:31 2008 From: db@hidden (Dave Briggs) Date: Sun Sep 21 17:02:37 2008 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Good ideas Drew. I was thinking along the lines of something very simple, using wordpress probably, with some information about the group on the main pages, then a blog made up of aggregating everyone else's posts, just as you mentioned. It might also be worth having a wiki too, on a subdomain or something, where resources could be pulled together. I could probably throw it together in a couple of hours if people are interested, and am self employed so could find the time to maintain it too (probably :-)) Dave On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > Hi, > I went to the website last night and tried to create a members > account. Either I'm being really stupid (this is entirely possible) or > something is broken. It didn't seem to want to work at all. > > When you click register it just clears the form and nothing happens. > > I was also wondering how many of the people on this list have a blog. > Might it be possible to turn part of the website into a "planet" to > aggregate content from blogs? > > It would rely on people's blogs being at least slightly relevant to > local events or free software..... Just a thought. > > Drew > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Dave Briggs wrote: >> Hi all >> >> What's the status of the CLUG website at the moment? Seems the latest >> news item was back in 2006. >> >> I think there's plenty that could be done with it, maybe some more >> regular newsy bits, aggregating stuff of various websites could happen >> too. >> >> Happy to take this on, if nobody minds? >> >> Cheers >> >> -- >> Dave Briggs >> db@davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug@cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> > > > > -- > Drew Fitzsimmons > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Dave Briggs db@davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From wawrzek@hidden Sun Sep 21 17:17:25 2008 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun Sep 21 17:17:30 2008 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Guys, Please check the archive of the list. This topic comebacks from time to time. Last time we agreed the we would like to have a static website with most important infos and link to wiki. Blogs Planet is also great idea (if someone would made one ;). My last try (let call it Millstone 2) is available here: http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ The source are without licence but do not hesitate to use it. There are few issue which need to be address: Map - someone suggested taking image from OpenStreet which is great I even try to do this, by CB2 is missing from on the OpenStreet. Anyone willing to add it? Language - I grab the text from mailing list and even haven't push it trough spell checker. I'm also think that website look&feel may be improve, but it should be hard to do (if you have skills) as I divided website to many div and other html tags. Regards, Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From db@hidden Sun Sep 21 17:23:29 2008 From: db@hidden (Dave Briggs) Date: Sun Sep 21 17:23:35 2008 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I did have a check of the archives but it's pretty time consuming tracking down individual topics there! So am I right in assuming that it's a issue regularly raised but about which nothing is ever actually done? I'd be happy throwing something together, then it would just be a case of pointing the URLs in the right direction. Who controls the URLs? As I said, i am perfectly happy to put something together in WordPress and a wiki, I just don't want to start it if people aren't agreed that it should be done, if that makes sense? As well as aggregating member blogs, it would also be nice to aggregate stuff like delicious bookmarks, photos, video etc, if we agree on a group tag - maybe camlug or something? Dave On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Please check the archive of the list. This topic comebacks from time to time. > > Last time we agreed the we would like to have a static website with > most important infos and link to wiki. Blogs Planet is also great > idea (if someone would made one ;). > > My last try (let call it Millstone 2) is available here: > > http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ > > The source are without licence but do not hesitate to use it. > > There are few issue which need to be address: > > Map - someone suggested taking image from OpenStreet which is great I > even try to do this, by CB2 is missing from on the OpenStreet. Anyone > willing to add it? > Language - I grab the text from mailing list and even haven't push it > trough spell checker. > > I'm also think that website look&feel may be improve, but it should > be hard to do (if you have skills) as I divided website to many div > and other html tags. > > Regards, > Wawrzek > -- > Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN > Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com > PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name > MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Dave Briggs db@davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From will.pink@hidden Sun Sep 21 17:27:44 2008 From: will.pink@hidden (william pink) Date: Sun Sep 21 17:27:52 2008 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Sounds ideal, I definitely feel a CMS would be the most beneficial and perhaps a great deal easier to add content with a broader range of functionality. W On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Dave Briggs wrote: > I did have a check of the archives but it's pretty time consuming > tracking down individual topics there! > > So am I right in assuming that it's a issue regularly raised but about > which nothing is ever actually done? I'd be happy throwing something > together, then it would just be a case of pointing the URLs in the > right direction. Who controls the URLs? > > As I said, i am perfectly happy to put something together in WordPress > and a wiki, I just don't want to start it if people aren't agreed that > it should be done, if that makes sense? > > As well as aggregating member blogs, it would also be nice to > aggregate stuff like delicious bookmarks, photos, video etc, if we > agree on a group tag - maybe camlug or something? > > Dave > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski > wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > > > Please check the archive of the list. This topic comebacks from time to > time. > > > > Last time we agreed the we would like to have a static website with > > most important infos and link to wiki. Blogs Planet is also great > > idea (if someone would made one ;). > > > > My last try (let call it Millstone 2) is available here: > > > > http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ > > > > The source are without licence but do not hesitate to use it. > > > > There are few issue which need to be address: > > > > Map - someone suggested taking image from OpenStreet which is great I > > even try to do this, by CB2 is missing from on the OpenStreet. Anyone > > willing to add it? > > Language - I grab the text from mailing list and even haven't push it > > trough spell checker. > > > > I'm also think that website look&feel may be improve, but it should > > be hard to do (if you have skills) as I divided website to many div > > and other html tags. > > > > Regards, > > Wawrzek > > -- > > Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN > > Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com > > PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name > > MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl > > _______________________________________________ > > CLUG mailing list > > clug@cambridge-lug.org > > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > > > > > -- > Dave Briggs > db@davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080921/2986f6cf/attachment.htm From db@hidden Sun Sep 21 21:18:44 2008 From: db@hidden (Dave Briggs) Date: Sun Sep 21 21:18:51 2008 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've made a start: http://davedev.org/clug/ - using WordPress and hacking a pre-existing theme. For some reason when doing the logo I called it CamLUG rather than clug - will change tomorrow. If anyone has any photos, maybe of CLUG events that could be used on the home page, do chuck them my way. At the moment the blog bit of the site is set up as 'latest news' which could report on the latest meetings, events, etc - so could act as a group blog. The other option is to use something like FeedWordPress to aggregate other people's blogs into it. If we don't choose to do the latter then I was going to build some sort of planet arrangement elsewhere on the site, linked to from the homepage. There is also a wiki, linked to from the homepage. I've just used PMwiki which doesn't require a login, just a password. We could use this to house various resources, member biogs etc. Do let me know what you all think. Is this heading the right way, in your view? Dave On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:27 PM, william pink wrote: > Sounds ideal, I definitely feel a CMS would be the most beneficial and > perhaps a great deal easier to add content with a broader range of > functionality. > > W > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Dave Briggs wrote: >> >> I did have a check of the archives but it's pretty time consuming >> tracking down individual topics there! >> >> So am I right in assuming that it's a issue regularly raised but about >> which nothing is ever actually done? I'd be happy throwing something >> together, then it would just be a case of pointing the URLs in the >> right direction. Who controls the URLs? >> >> As I said, i am perfectly happy to put something together in WordPress >> and a wiki, I just don't want to start it if people aren't agreed that >> it should be done, if that makes sense? >> >> As well as aggregating member blogs, it would also be nice to >> aggregate stuff like delicious bookmarks, photos, video etc, if we >> agree on a group tag - maybe camlug or something? >> >> Dave >> >> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski >> wrote: >> > Hi Guys, >> > >> > Please check the archive of the list. This topic comebacks from time to >> > time. >> > >> > Last time we agreed the we would like to have a static website with >> > most important infos and link to wiki. Blogs Planet is also great >> > idea (if someone would made one ;). >> > >> > My last try (let call it Millstone 2) is available here: >> > >> > http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ >> > >> > The source are without licence but do not hesitate to use it. >> > >> > There are few issue which need to be address: >> > >> > Map - someone suggested taking image from OpenStreet which is great I >> > even try to do this, by CB2 is missing from on the OpenStreet. Anyone >> > willing to add it? >> > Language - I grab the text from mailing list and even haven't push it >> > trough spell checker. >> > >> > I'm also think that website look&feel may be improve, but it should >> > be hard to do (if you have skills) as I divided website to many div >> > and other html tags. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Wawrzek >> > -- >> > Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN >> > Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com >> > PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name >> > MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl >> > _______________________________________________ >> > CLUG mailing list >> > clug@cambridge-lug.org >> > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Dave Briggs >> db@davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug@cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> > > -- Dave Briggs db@davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From tom-lists-clug@hidden Sun Sep 21 21:26:19 2008 From: tom-lists-clug@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Sun Sep 21 21:26:21 2008 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080921192619.GA15691@weber> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 08:18:44PM +0100, Dave Briggs wrote: > Do let me know what you all think. Is this heading the right way, in your view? I think we need a static front page with links to a Wiki. Then those with the time and desire can add whatever content they like. Your design and photos look nice. Tom From db@hidden Sun Sep 21 21:32:31 2008 From: db@hidden (Dave Briggs) Date: Sun Sep 21 21:32:37 2008 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <20080921192619.GA15691@weber> References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> <20080921192619.GA15691@weber> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Tom Ellis wrote: > I think we need a static front page with links to a Wiki. Then those with > the time and desire can add whatever content they like. I think that is more or less what we have, only that the 'static page' is in WordPress and so is easily updated. > Your design and photos look nice. Well, not really my design (am basing it on another theme) but thanks! -- Dave Briggs db@davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From wawrzek@hidden Sun Sep 21 23:37:25 2008 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun Sep 21 23:37:31 2008 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Dave Briggs wrote: > I've made a start: http://davedev.org/clug/ - using WordPress and > hacking a pre-existing theme. > I'm glad that you take care about webpage. Looks fine for me. Suggestion - add "Mailing list" link on the top toolbar. - maybe change colours a bit - add somewhere link to CamLUG group on LinkedIN (http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=157695) > For some reason when doing the logo I called it CamLUG rather than > clug - will change tomorrow. [...] I prefer CamLUG. - LUG may be everywhere, Cam-LUG only next to Cam river. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From bnicolson@hidden Mon Sep 22 09:52:11 2008 From: bnicolson@hidden (bnicolson@ippimail.com) Date: Mon Sep 22 09:52:27 2008 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39090.82.16.102.233.1222069931.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> Others on here will have a better understanding of the technicalites but just to look at it's a big improvement on the current site. It's not as 'busy' and it won't date.? Bev. -- Email and shopping with the feelgood factor! 55% of income to good causes. http://www.ippimail.com From simon.andrews@hidden Mon Sep 22 10:27:09 2008 From: simon.andrews@hidden (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Mon Sep 22 10:27:25 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com><20080920210408.GA2996@weber> Message-ID: I just wanted to add my thanks to Robert for organising this. We were generally very well received once people realised we weren't trying to sell stuff to them. We even had one guy who took the CDs and then came back 5mins later and tried to give us money for them! More and more people seem to be aware of free software and linux and hopefully the proliferation of netbooks will raise its profile even more. Suggestions for next year: 1) Helium balloons! 2) Some cards advertising the CLUG 3) A big sign saying what we're doing which people can read from a distance so they're not afraid to come closer (we saw lots of people crossing the road to get away from us). Simon. PS Robert - any chance you can email me a copy of the photo(s) you took? They'd probably be a good addition to the new website which seems to be emerging as well. > From: Robert Schumann > Sent: 20 September 2008 22:36 > To: clug@cambridge-lug.org > Subject: Re: Software Freedom Day and laptops. > > > Hi all, > > Well, SFD 08 came and went in Cambridge, and altogether I > think it came and went very successfully. We were out in > Market Square from 09h00 to 13h00 on a lovely sunny day > (that's two in a row for SFD in Cambridge!). > > We handed out 50 Open Discs, around 80 Ubuntu CDs, and a > sheaf of leaflets produced by Simon (in addition to luring > kids over to come get balloons and stickers from us). People > were very interested to see the webbooks, partly since they're > such compact devices that people are curious to see if they > really work... > > Thanks to Simon, Hazel, Wawrzek and Tom for contributing time > and materials. > > Robert. > From wawrzek@hidden Mon Sep 22 10:42:47 2008 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon Sep 22 10:43:02 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 9:27 AM, simon andrews (BI) wrote: > PS Robert - any chance you can email me a copy of the photo(s) you took? > They'd probably be a good addition to the new website which seems to be > emerging as well. And a copy of the Free Software leaflet you made. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From marcus@hidden Mon Sep 22 11:03:52 2008 From: marcus@hidden (Marcus Williams) Date: Mon Sep 22 11:04:09 2008 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222073616-sup-1816@stampy> On 21.9.2008, Dave Briggs wrote: > I've made a start: http://davedev.org/clug/ - using WordPress and > hacking a pre-existing theme. I like this as a start - I ended up being buried at work so never managed to get off my a**e to put wordpress together like I said I would :( It would be nicer if we could get the wiki to look more like the wordpress theme you're using, but thats just aesthetics. The frontpage is good. Like we have discussed on here a few times it only needs to say about the meetings and the mailing list. Personally I think you could drop the Latest News if its going to be a feed to some tech news. I wouldnt go to the camlug site to get my fix, I'd be looking for more specific stuff. Marcus From sam.kuper@hidden Mon Sep 22 11:22:20 2008 From: sam.kuper@hidden (Sam Kuper) Date: Mon Sep 22 11:22:33 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450809220222i3718711ftd937d203dc888b9e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/22 simon andrews (BI) > Suggestions for next year: > > 1) Helium balloons! > > 2) Some cards advertising the CLUG > > 3) A big sign saying what we're doing which people can read from a > distance so they're not afraid to come closer (we saw lots of people > crossing the road to get away from us). > I wasn't able to come, but I've been following the thread on the list. I think the 3G dongles were an excellent idea, so I'd add: 4) Some means of giving internet connectivity to any netbooks, laptops, etc that people have brought along. Congrats to all you folks who set up and ran the stall! Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080922/5676c25c/attachment-0001.htm From mark_w@hidden Mon Sep 22 11:23:26 2008 From: mark_w@hidden (Mark Wyatt) Date: Mon Sep 22 12:23:43 2008 Subject: website Message-ID: <20080922102326.798131BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:18:44 +0100 > From: "Dave Briggs" > Subject: Re: website > To: "william pink" > Cc: clug@cambridge-lug.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I've made a start: http://davedev.org/clug/ - using WordPress and > hacking a pre-existing theme. > > For some reason when doing the logo I called it CamLUG rather than > clug - will change tomorrow. If anyone has any photos, maybe of CLUG > events that could be used on the home page, do chuck them my way. > > At the moment the blog bit of the site is set up as 'latest news' > which could report on the latest meetings, events, etc - so could act > as a group blog. The other option is to use something like > FeedWordPress to aggregate other people's blogs into it. > I'd drop 'latest news'; historically, we have been poor at keeping latest news filled with anything that resembles 'news' in the commonly used meaning and news from years ago just makes this look like an abandoned website. (Unless maybe anyone fancies doing some kind of 'mashup'/agregation from existing news sources. I think we'd cope with that. I suspect though that for most that would duplicate stuff they have already as RSS feeds) My preference would be to use the space for static links to useful foss sites (tldp seems like the most obvious, but any sites where there are good tutorials and howtos would seem better than having rtfm questions posted to the list and I'd add distrowatch for a site that has actual news). > If we don't choose to do the latter then I was going to build some > sort of planet arrangement elsewhere on the site, linked to from the > homepage. > > There is also a wiki, linked to from the homepage. I've just used > PMwiki which doesn't require a login, just a password. We could use > this to house various resources, member biogs etc. > > Do let me know what you all think. Is this heading the right way, > in your view? > > Dave This is absolutely heading in the right direction, imho. And an rss news feed? Would that have the same problem that the site news has always had (bad, or at least, not really an advantage) or be a replacement for / enhancement to the 'daily digest' form of the clug mailinglist (good)? An exact postcode for CB2 would be a good addition for anyone who intends to find the place via sat nav. CB1 2LD acording to http://www.cb2bistro.com/ and you might have expected, from the name, that to be a CB2 postcode.... "in the center of Cambridge city every Sunday at 1pm"; its not every Sunday, anymore and the Cafe isn't really in the cntre of Cambridge City: I know this a lift from the existing website, but the fact that the existing site isn't ideal is where we came in. In addition this link to the CB2 website is broken. While, practically, the group has always primarily been a Linux group, although nominally a FOSS group, is the prominence of tux without qualifying comments, a bit much? You could add a BSD Daemon, but wouldn't that just lead to a gradual proliferation of FOSS logos (Apache, Debian, KDE, Gnome,....)? Perhaps it would be better away from the front page where there would be space for an explanation of the wide world of FOSS. I'm not sure, what do others think? -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From simon.andrews@hidden Mon Sep 22 12:41:58 2008 From: simon.andrews@hidden (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Mon Sep 22 12:43:13 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: <4126b3450809220222i3718711ftd937d203dc888b9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> <4126b3450809220222i3718711ftd937d203dc888b9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > From: sampablokuper@googlemail.com > > 4) Some means of giving internet connectivity > to any netbooks, laptops, etc that people have brought along. > > Congrats to all you folks who set up and ran the stall! Actually I'm not sure that would have made much difference. Laptop displays still suck for use outside, and pretty much everyone who came to the stall only stayed for a minute or so. I'd think that having a more functional CLUG website with links to places to find out more information about linux/free software will be more useful than trying to get people to look at stuff whilst you're there. I'm not suggesting noone should bring a 3G dongle, just that it may not make much difference to getting people interested. Simon. From sam.kuper@hidden Mon Sep 22 13:02:30 2008 From: sam.kuper@hidden (Sam Kuper) Date: Mon Sep 22 13:02:41 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> <4126b3450809220222i3718711ftd937d203dc888b9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450809220402h6e774f64o640be0e94167a47b@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/22 simon andrews (BI) > Laptop > displays still suck for use outside, and pretty much everyone who came > to the stall only stayed for a minute or so. If we could get hold of some XOs, that would solve the first problem. If we let people's kids play with them, that might solve the second problem. Does anyone on the list have an XO-1? I'd think that having a more functional CLUG website with links to > places to find out more information about linux/free software will be > more useful than trying to get people to look at stuff whilst you're > there. A plurality of approaches might be best. I'm not sure that showing stall visitors the CLUG web site would be terribly effective, but one nice thing about having web access is that if people want to check their Hotmail or whatever while they're at the stall, they can do so, and would be able to see that open OSes make this just as practical as closed ones do. Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080922/6c31e892/attachment.htm From db@hidden Mon Sep 22 13:04:48 2008 From: db@hidden (Dave Briggs) Date: Mon Sep 22 13:04:54 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: <4126b3450809220402h6e774f64o640be0e94167a47b@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> <4126b3450809220222i3718711ftd937d203dc888b9e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450809220402h6e774f64o640be0e94167a47b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Sam Kuper wrote: > A plurality of approaches might be best. I'm not sure that showing stall > visitors the CLUG web site would be terribly effective, The advantage of having the website would be so that people could take a card with the URL on it home and read about stuff at their leisure, I guess. -- Dave Briggs db@davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From sam.kuper@hidden Mon Sep 22 13:10:17 2008 From: sam.kuper@hidden (Sam Kuper) Date: Mon Sep 22 13:10:30 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> <4126b3450809220222i3718711ftd937d203dc888b9e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450809220402h6e774f64o640be0e94167a47b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450809220410t3db2d5e0re6f8194f0ecca7e8@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/22 Dave Briggs > The advantage of having the website would be so that people could take > a card with the URL on it home and read about stuff at their leisure, > I guess. > Very much so - and so that others could discover the group online. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080922/99e1d7af/attachment.htm From hjenkins@hidden Mon Sep 22 06:56:02 2008 From: hjenkins@hidden (Hazel L. H. Jenkins) Date: Mon Sep 22 13:56:18 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809220556.02594.hjenkins@uvic.ca> > Suggestions for next year: > > 1) Helium balloons! Not as keen on this; limited resource, at least until ITER and DEMO get their act together and we get commercial fusion power :-). I guess they're fun. Maybe something a little longer-lived? It would be nice to give something to the younger lot; we seemed to be giving software exclusively to adults. Market Square may not be the best place to find school-age people, though. > 3) A big sign saying what we're doing which people can read from a > distance so they're not afraid to come closer (we saw lots of people > crossing the road to get away from us). How about a screen and a projector, hooked to one of the laptops? Power might be a problem, but the film fest people manage it. Maybe we could borrow something? From magnus@hidden Mon Sep 22 14:23:55 2008 From: magnus@hidden (Magnus Therning) Date: Mon Sep 22 14:24:02 2008 Subject: Interesting post Message-ID: http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/09/22/things-you-can-do-for-your-lug/ /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From tom-lists-clug@hidden Mon Sep 22 14:24:36 2008 From: tom-lists-clug@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Mon Sep 22 14:24:46 2008 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <20080922102326.798131BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080922102326.798131BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20080922122436.GA3960@weber> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:23:26AM +0000, Mark Wyatt wrote: > I'd drop 'latest news'; historically, we have been poor at keeping latest > news filled with anything that resembles 'news' in the commonly used > meaning and news from years ago just makes this look like an abandoned > website. I don't think there should be anything on the front page that ever requires updating. Just have links to appropriate sections of the wiki and people can update it as they see fit. Tom From wawrzek@hidden Mon Sep 22 14:46:38 2008 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon Sep 22 14:46:44 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: [...] I was so shocked to find so many linux based laptops (netbooks) on > sale on the high street. Sorry if this is old news to everyone else > but it was an eyeopener for me. > I guess that Asus in Toys R Us is the cheapest one at the moment: http://www.toysrus.co.uk/Category.aspx/TruHome/TruComputers/TruComputersLaptop?ref=TruHome%2fTruComputers However in theory the chepest should be this one: http://www.elonexone.co.uk/ Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From paul-clug@hidden Mon Sep 22 17:29:53 2008 From: paul-clug@hidden (Paul M) Date: Mon Sep 22 17:30:03 2008 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D7B9F1.7050105@mansfield.co.uk> Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > I guess that Asus in Toys R Us is the cheapest one at the moment: > > http://www.toysrus.co.uk/Category.aspx/TruHome/TruComputers/TruComputersLaptop?ref=TruHome%2fTruComputers expansys have been selling off a variety of eee's. pcworld have various eee's, the acer and the MSI, so you can get your hands on them to see how good they are. From wawrzek@hidden Tue Sep 23 01:51:48 2008 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Tue Sep 23 01:51:56 2008 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <20080922122436.GA3960@weber> References: <20080922102326.798131BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> <20080922122436.GA3960@weber> Message-ID: Hi, One more thing. May I suggest to have at least two people with admin privileges (and some WordPress experience). Roman have good idea with having two consuls. Regards, Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From db@hidden Tue Sep 23 10:52:45 2008 From: db@hidden (Dave Briggs) Date: Tue Sep 23 10:52:50 2008 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <20080922102326.798131BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> <20080922122436.GA3960@weber> Message-ID: Great suggestions, everyone. Will put some more work into finishing the site off. If anyone wants to volunteer to be an admin on the site, just yell. Dave On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi, > > One more thing. May I suggest to have at least two people with admin > privileges (and some WordPress experience). Roman have good idea with > having two consuls. > > Regards, > Wawrzek > -- > Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN > Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com > PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name > MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Dave Briggs db@davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From paul-clug@hidden Tue Sep 23 15:02:15 2008 From: paul-clug@hidden (Paul M) Date: Tue Sep 23 15:02:36 2008 Subject: list admin - problem with autoconfirm link Message-ID: <48D8E8D7.8080003@mansfield.co.uk> list admin, please fix the system, when I click the long link below it STILL says Bad confirmation string Invalid confirmation string: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Note that confirmation strings expire approximately 3 days after the initial subscription request. If your confirmation has expired, please try to re-submit your subscription. Otherwise, re-enter your confirmation string. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: confirm xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:34:23 +0200 From: clug-request@cambridge-lug.org Your membership in the mailing list CLUG has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 22-Sep-2008. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted. To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at http://lists.infowares.com/cgi-bin/confirm/clug/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From bnicolson@hidden Tue Sep 23 18:18:20 2008 From: bnicolson@hidden (bnicolson@ippimail.com) Date: Tue Sep 23 18:18:38 2008 Subject: Open Source gets into schools Message-ID: <55328.82.16.102.233.1222186700.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> I thought people might find this encouraging. :?) http://tinyurl.com/48jduv Bev. -- Email and shopping with the feelgood factor! 55% of income to good causes. http://www.ippimail.com From magnus@hidden Wed Sep 24 00:08:24 2008 From: magnus@hidden (Magnus Therning) Date: Wed Sep 24 00:08:30 2008 Subject: Open Source gets into schools In-Reply-To: <55328.82.16.102.233.1222186700.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> References: <55328.82.16.102.233.1222186700.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:18 PM, wrote: > > I thought people might find this encouraging. > :?) > http://tinyurl.com/48jduv About time that happens I'd say. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From marcus@hidden Wed Sep 24 10:43:26 2008 From: marcus@hidden (Marcus Williams) Date: Wed Sep 24 10:43:51 2008 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <20080922102326.798131BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> <20080922122436.GA3960@weber> Message-ID: <1222245348-sup-3127@stampy> On 23.9.2008, Dave Briggs wrote: > Great suggestions, everyone. Will put some more work into finishing > the site off. If anyone wants to volunteer to be an admin on the site, > just yell. Another one - the theme you're basing the site on is a premium/paid for wordpress theme, does that mean you own a copy of it (which the license then allows you to use elsewhere) or have permission to use it? Marcus From magnus@hidden Wed Sep 24 11:47:08 2008 From: magnus@hidden (Magnus Therning) Date: Wed Sep 24 11:47:17 2008 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Dave Briggs wrote: > I've made a start: http://davedev.org/clug/ - using WordPress and > hacking a pre-existing theme. > [..] > If we don't choose to do the latter then I was going to build some > sort of planet arrangement elsewhere on the site, linked to from the > homepage. > > There is also a wiki, linked to from the homepage. I've just used > PMwiki which doesn't require a login, just a password. We could use > this to house various resources, member biogs etc. > > Do let me know what you all think. Is this heading the right way, in your view? It's a vast improvment on what we have ATM. Please bring CamLUG into the naughties :-) I think much of this has been said earlier in the thread, but here are my comments: 1. Drop the news. We've been bad at posting CamLUG specific things, and even worse at posting general Linux-related news. 2. The idea of a planet is interesting, how many people run blogs and would be interested in it? 3. I like the wiki. Could we get OpenID on it? 4. One thing that I did like with the old site, but which wasn't widely used, was the "attendance application" where I could let others know I intend to go to the next CamLUG meeting. Any thoughts on what we could have instead? (A wiki page per date would be the easiest, and perfectly acceptable.) /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From wawrzek@hidden Wed Sep 24 12:01:31 2008 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed Sep 24 12:01:37 2008 Subject: Blogs Message-ID: Hi, Please reply to this thread if you interested in adding your blog to the planet. http://larryn.blogspot.com - Wawrzek Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From sam.kuper@hidden Wed Sep 24 12:33:51 2008 From: sam.kuper@hidden (Sam Kuper) Date: Wed Sep 24 12:34:04 2008 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <4126b3450809240333g5d89a60ah8ccfb8ac577b92da@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450809240333g5d89a60ah8ccfb8ac577b92da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450809240333k5c5fe63bu643d6c29f7f7cea6@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/24 Magnus Therning > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Dave Briggs wrote:> > There is also a wiki, linked to from the homepage. I've just used > > PMwiki which doesn't require a login, just a password. We could use > > this to house various resources, member biogs etc. > I haven't used PMwiki previously. Spambots are always a concern on wikis. The way you've set it up actually looks like it will be fairly hard for spambots to spam; have you used this sort of set-up (password easily visible, but inline with other text and therefore hard for bots to parse out) before, and does it reliably keep spambots out? If not, can other countermeasures (ReCAPTCHA, etc.) be easily deployed to PMwiki? If not, how would you feel about using MediaWiki or suchlike instead? > 2. The idea of a planet is interesting, how many people run blogs and > would be interested in it? I use del.icio.us for bookmarking. When I bookmark something related to Linux, I'm happy to tag it "clug". > 3. I like the wiki. Could we get OpenID on it? Ditto. > 4. One thing that I did like with the old site, but which wasn't > widely used, was the "attendance application" where I could let others > know I intend to go to the next CamLUG meeting. Any thoughts on what > we could have instead? I expect WordPress has "event calendar" plug-ins for this sort of thing? Joomla certainly has them, and Joomla plug-ins get ported to WordPress... All best, Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cambridge Refresh, http://www.refreshcambridge.org simply uses http://upcoming.org for this (though right now next month's event hasn't yet been put up there by Matthew). Jonathan -- From magnus@hidden Wed Sep 24 14:30:03 2008 From: magnus@hidden (Magnus Therning) Date: Wed Sep 24 14:30:13 2008 Subject: Blogs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi, > > Please reply to this thread if you interested in adding your blog to the planet. > > http://larryn.blogspot.com - Wawrzek http://therning.org/magnus /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From wawrzek@hidden Wed Sep 24 14:52:08 2008 From: wawrzek@hidden (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed Sep 24 14:52:16 2008 Subject: Many-Core Computing Workshop Message-ID: I've just found this info. Might be interesting for some of you: http://www.escience.cam.ac.uk/many-core.html Regards, Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From alastair@hidden Wed Sep 24 19:13:37 2008 From: alastair@hidden (Alastair Stevens) Date: Wed Sep 24 19:13:45 2008 Subject: Blogs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4536e91b0809241013x48389854l228ccf23ebd35d95@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Please reply to this thread if you interested in adding your blog to the > planet. > > > > http://larryn.blogspot.com - Wawrzek > http://www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080924/972a2046/attachment.htm From kzar@hidden Wed Sep 24 23:11:56 2008 From: kzar@hidden (David Barker) Date: Wed Sep 24 23:15:08 2008 Subject: Blogs In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0809241013x48389854l228ccf23ebd35d95@mail.gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0809241013x48389854l228ccf23ebd35d95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <52412.192.9.200.97.1222290716.squirrel@starbug> http://kzar.co.uk/blog - Dave. > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza??ski > >> wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > Please reply to this thread if you interested in adding your blog to >> the >> planet. >> > >> > http://larryn.blogspot.com - Wawrzek >> > > > http://www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html > > -- > ======================================== > ALASTAIR STEVENS > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug@cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From db@hidden Wed Sep 24 23:23:36 2008 From: db@hidden (Dave Briggs) Date: Wed Sep 24 23:23:42 2008 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <1BA35008-CBED-4AF8-9BCD-9D6C8A620B8B@ytko.com> References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450809240333g5d89a60ah8ccfb8ac577b92da@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450809240333k5c5fe63bu643d6c29f7f7cea6@mail.gmail.com> <1BA35008-CBED-4AF8-9BCD-9D6C8A620B8B@ytko.com> Message-ID: Few queries on the site and stuff, will try and answer them all... 1. The theme - yes, it's a premium one, but I have purchased a developers use-it-as-many-times-as-you-like licence 2. PMwiki - the inline password works well on other wikis I have managed in the past. I sometimes think MediaWiki is a bit overblown for our basic needs, and also it generally means another username and password, etc. If spam ever does become a problem, the password could be changed on a regular basis, maybe. 3. Events list - will look into it. Embedding UpComing is one way, but requires everyone to have an account there. One way round it might be just to have a page on the wiki for each meeting where people can put their names down if they are planning on attending. 4. I think tagging stuff in delicious, flickr etc could work really well. Maybe the feed from that could fill in the blank space on the homepage. 5. People have been emailing their blog URLs for a Planet. Shall I build this too? No problem if so, but if anyone else wants to... Cheers Dave -- Dave Briggs db@davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From drewfitzsimmons@hidden Thu Sep 25 00:08:37 2008 From: drewfitzsimmons@hidden (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Thu Sep 25 00:08:49 2008 Subject: Blogs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <126d63860809241508u39348117k244cbd728928bcf9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi, > > Please reply to this thread if you interested in adding your blog to the planet. > > http://larryn.blogspot.com - Wawrzek > > Wawrzek http://passthejager.org/blog/ -- Drew Fitzsimmons From clug@hidden Thu Sep 25 15:27:39 2008 From: clug@hidden (Longman) Date: Thu Sep 25 15:26:08 2008 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim Message-ID: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> I can use -a "From: foo@bar" as an option to /usr/bin/mail but the return-path (envelope sender) on outbound emails is of the form user@mailname. For some reason a system I mail ignores the From address and wants to reply to the return-path address despite there being no Sender header present and the From being valid and deliverable. What solutions are there? From tehpeh@hidden Thu Sep 25 15:36:09 2008 From: tehpeh@hidden (Thomas Pircher) Date: Thu Sep 25 15:36:20 2008 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: Longman wrote: > For some reason a system I mail ignores the From address > and wants to reply to the return-path address despite there being no > Sender header present and the From being valid and deliverable. This is IMHO the correct behaviour. You can write whatever you like in the From: field, but it is harder to lie in the envelope-from, if you are not the postmaster. > What solutions are there? You can override the address on a per-user basis in /etc/email-addresses. At the moment I don't have access to an exim installation, but I think the syntax is the same as in /etc/aliases: user: email@example.com I'm sure you can address-rewrite the envelope-from to your hearts delight, but I'm not very experienced in this and can't thus help. Thomas From marcus@hidden Thu Sep 25 15:36:59 2008 From: marcus@hidden (Marcus Williams) Date: Thu Sep 25 15:37:15 2008 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <1222349651-sup-5046@stampy> On 25.9.2008, Longman wrote: > I can use -a "From: foo@bar" as an option to /usr/bin/mail but the > return-path (envelope sender) on outbound emails is of the form > user@mailname. For some reason a system I mail ignores the From address > and wants to reply to the return-path address despite there being no > Sender header present and the From being valid and deliverable. > > What solutions are there? I think mail supports passing on args to sendmail using: mail -s "subject" recipient@domain -a "From: myname@domain" -- -f returnpath@domain Not sure if it will work in your case. Marcus From clug@hidden Thu Sep 25 15:45:21 2008 From: clug@hidden (Longman) Date: Thu Sep 25 15:43:31 2008 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <1222349651-sup-5046@stampy> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <1222349651-sup-5046@stampy> Message-ID: <48DB95F1.6000203@gasops.co.uk> * Marcus Williams wrote: > I think mail supports passing on args to sendmail using: I know sendmail has the -f option but this reads from a file on an exim based system. :-S From clug@hidden Thu Sep 25 15:47:54 2008 From: clug@hidden (Longman) Date: Thu Sep 25 15:46:06 2008 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <48DB968A.5090000@gasops.co.uk> * Thomas Pircher wrote: > Longman wrote: >> For some reason a system I mail ignores the From address >> and wants to reply to the return-path address despite there being no >> Sender header present and the From being valid and deliverable. > > This is IMHO the correct behaviour. You can write whatever you like in the > From: field, but it is harder to lie in the envelope-from, if you are not > the postmaster. Is it correct behaviour for a system to say it was received from the address cited in the return-path as opposed to the one in the From? >> What solutions are there? > > You can override the address on a per-user basis in /etc/email-addresses. > At the moment I don't have access to an exim installation, but I think the > syntax is the same as in /etc/aliases: > user: email@example.com I shall look into this email-addresses thingamajig. Thanks :) From tehpeh@hidden Thu Sep 25 16:07:11 2008 From: tehpeh@hidden (Thomas Pircher) Date: Thu Sep 25 16:07:21 2008 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <48DB968A.5090000@gasops.co.uk> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <48DB968A.5090000@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <592db13f0b4d1437277d77845bc6e03b.squirrel@www.tty1.net> Longman wrote: > Is it correct behaviour for a system to say it was received from the > address cited in the return-path as opposed to the one in the From? As I understand it, the return-path is only used by MTAs to send error notifications. For example your MTA receives a mail from the clug mailing list with in the From: field. If your MTA is not able to deliver the mail to you for some reason, I don't want to be notified for this, but clug's Mailman might. In this case it makes sense to have From: and return-path different. Or do you mean if the return path can show up in the mail user agent? I think the return path generally thrown away as soon as the mail is successfully delivered. Thomas From tehpeh@hidden Thu Sep 25 16:11:35 2008 From: tehpeh@hidden (Thomas Pircher) Date: Thu Sep 25 16:11:47 2008 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <592db13f0b4d1437277d77845bc6e03b.squirrel@www.tty1.net> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <48DB968A.5090000@gasops.co.uk> <592db13f0b4d1437277d77845bc6e03b.squirrel@www.tty1.net> Message-ID: Longman wrote: > For some reason a system I mail ignores the From address > and wants to reply to the return-path address despite there being no > Sender header present and the From being valid and deliverable. Ups, I think I have misunderstood you. Do you mean the user on the other side presses the "reply" button and his mail program takes the return-path instead of the From: address? Maybe the solution is as simple as setting the Reply-To: header? Thomas From marcus@hidden Fri Sep 26 10:26:44 2008 From: marcus@hidden (Marcus Williams) Date: Fri Sep 26 10:27:16 2008 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <48DB95F1.6000203@gasops.co.uk> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <1222349651-sup-5046@stampy> <48DB95F1.6000203@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <1222417302-sup-7290@stampy> On 25.9.2008, Longman wrote: > > I think mail supports passing on args to sendmail using: > > I know sendmail has the -f option but this reads from a file on an exim > based system. :-S Not according to my exim manpage :) Note the double dash in the command line, this makes the -f argument get passed through to sendmail (or equivalent). Without it you're passing -f to mail which does indeed read a filæ... Marcus From clug@hidden Fri Sep 26 11:21:16 2008 From: clug@hidden (Longman) Date: Fri Sep 26 11:23:14 2008 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <1222417302-sup-7290@stampy> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <1222349651-sup-5046@stampy> <48DB95F1.6000203@gasops.co.uk> <1222417302-sup-7290@stampy> Message-ID: <48DCA98C.3080406@gasops.co.uk> * Marcus Williams wrote: > On 25.9.2008, Longman wrote: >>> I think mail supports passing on args to sendmail using: >> I know sendmail has the -f option but this reads from a file on an exim >> based system. :-S > > Not according to my exim manpage :) Note the double dash in the > command line, this makes the -f argument get passed through to sendmail > (or equivalent). Without it you're passing -f to mail which does > indeed read a fil?... Well I apologise kind sir! :-) I shall go re-read the man page and have a play (though I've got it working now so it's purely for academic purposes) From clug@hidden Fri Sep 26 11:38:53 2008 From: clug@hidden (Longman) Date: Fri Sep 26 11:40:55 2008 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <48DB968A.5090000@gasops.co.uk> <592db13f0b4d1437277d77845bc6e03b.squirrel@www.tty1.net> Message-ID: <48DCADAD.7010200@gasops.co.uk> * Thomas Pircher wrote: > Ups, I think I have misunderstood you. Do you mean the user on the other > side presses the "reply" button and his mail program takes the return-path > instead of the From: address? Yes. Well it doesn't actually reply per se. I'll explain. The email address that I send to generates a text message (it's T-Mobile's email to SMS gateway) and in the generated SMS they put the email address and the contents of the email body in ASCII. I use it to give my N95 bespoke push-email-esque behaviour ;-). When I receive an email it goes through a procmail rule that generates a timestamp and sends this as the body text of an email to the gateway which then ends up on my phone as an SMS. I then know I have to check my email server at some point since there is email there. For some reason in the SMS that T-Mobile generate gateway service uses the return-path from the email they receive rather than the From address to say who the email is from. So it's a reply, but not an email reply and their system is picking up the return-path despite me setting a valid From. Your suggestion of modifying /etc/mail-addresses has allowed me to get the correct return-path set on outbound emails and it now works. A Reply-To header may work (I might just try it to see anyway) but since the email is converted and forwarded to SMS rather than replied to with email semantics I'm not sure their system would take note of this header? From tom-lists-clug@hidden Fri Sep 26 14:00:41 2008 From: tom-lists-clug@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri Sep 26 14:00:45 2008 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <20080926120041.GA4696@weber> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 02:27:39PM +0100, Longman wrote: > What solutions are there? The ideal solution would perhaps to be to use an MTA that was designed for small scale use, always relaying to a smarthost. Exim was designed to run the Cambridge University mail system, after all! I don't know if any good programs fitting that description exist though. Anyone? Tom From marcus@hidden Fri Sep 26 15:35:58 2008 From: marcus@hidden (Marcus Williams) Date: Fri Sep 26 15:36:12 2008 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <20080926120041.GA4696@weber> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <20080926120041.GA4696@weber> Message-ID: <1222436011-sup-7389@stampy> On 26.9.2008, Tom Ellis Huckstep wrote: > The ideal solution would perhaps to be to use an MTA that was designed for > small scale use, always relaying to a smarthost. Exim was designed to run > the Cambridge University mail system, after all! I don't know if any good > programs fitting that description exist though. Anyone? esmtp works pretty well for me - simple config file to specify where to poke stuff on a smarthost. I've used it in places where I've had autogenerated emails (from cron jobs etc) that need sending but no local mail is required. Marcus From tom-lists-clug@hidden Fri Sep 26 18:48:34 2008 From: tom-lists-clug@hidden (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri Sep 26 18:48:39 2008 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <1222436011-sup-7389@stampy> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <20080926120041.GA4696@weber> <1222436011-sup-7389@stampy> Message-ID: <20080926164834.GB2992@weber> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 02:35:58PM +0100, Marcus Williams wrote: > On 26.9.2008, Tom Ellis Huckstep wrote: > > The ideal solution would perhaps to be to use an MTA that was designed for > > small scale use, always relaying to a smarthost. Exim was designed to run > > the Cambridge University mail system, after all! I don't know if any good > > programs fitting that description exist though. Anyone? > > esmtp works pretty well for me - simple config file to specify where > to poke stuff on a smarthost. I've used it in places where I've had > autogenerated emails (from cron jobs etc) that need sending but no > local mail is required. Cheers Marcus. The problem is, when I said "all mail" I meant "all mail that isn't to be delivered locally". But maybe esmtp can deal with that. I'll check it out. From wawrzek@hidden Fri Sep 26 23:15:54 2008 From: wawrzek@hidden (Wawrzyniec =?unknown-8bit?Q?Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri Sep 26 23:16:04 2008 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <20080926164834.GB2992@weber> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <20080926120041.GA4696@weber> <1222436011-sup-7389@stampy> <20080926164834.GB2992@weber> Message-ID: <20080926211553.GA13659@gmail.com> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 05:48:34PM +0100, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 02:35:58PM +0100, Marcus Williams wrote: [...] > > esmtp works pretty well for me - simple config file to specify where > > to poke stuff on a smarthost. I've used it in places where I've had > > autogenerated emails (from cron jobs etc) that need sending but no > > local mail is required. > > Cheers Marcus. The problem is, when I said "all mail" I meant "all mail > that isn't to be delivered locally". But maybe esmtp can deal with that. > I'll check it out. At the moment I'm using mutt + msmtp. It sends this email from my local machine via server on my (old) university, even if this message's from field is wawrzek@gmail.com Is it something want you want? -- Wawrzyniec Niewodniczañski vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek@gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn@chrome.pl From dom at latter.org Thu Sep 4 11:34:21 2008 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:34:21 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu video driver issue In-Reply-To: References: <200808172259.01533.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <200809041134.22220.dom@latter.org> On Sunday 17 August 2008 23:54:41 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Dom Latter wrote: > > Hi, > > > Got me a new wide-screen 1680x1050 display hooked up to my > > dismal old laptop. To get it to run at full res I had to install a > > new driver thus: > > > > sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel > > > > Unfortunately when I try to run the laptop on its own, the > > display is blank (when running X; boot screen, consoles etc > > are all fine). > > Does it mean that display is blank or that X server gives you a black > display? I mean X server gives a black screen (when the laptop is on its own). > I was able to get the laptop on the net and run: > > sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-i810 > > > > from a console to restore the status quo, and now it's back > > home again I've reverted to the "intel" driver to enjoy wide-screen > > grooviness. > > > > Is there a way to have both drivers available, and wire the choice > > into GRUB, so that when it boots I can choose stand-alone config, > > or external display config? > > I guess that you need to find more information about X.org setting for > dual monitors and intel . BTW intel graphics card might need > 915resolution. It's not really a dual monitor thing. If I can start X with the driver of my choice without running "apt-get install" each time that would suffice for now. > BTW. More details about you hardware can be useful :). Dell C400 latitude but it's not IMO terribly relevant. From james at camalyn.org Mon Sep 8 19:32:29 2008 From: james at camalyn.org (james) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:32:29 +0100 Subject: JOB: IT HELPDESK/ CAMBRIDGE Message-ID: <1220895149.6240.144.camel@gateway-laptop> JOB hi, I am recruiting for an IT Helpdesk Job in Cambridge. The role will involve providing 1st Line support by phone and in-person to the Cambridge office and may call for some travel to other regional offices too. Part of the job will also include installing, setting up and troubleshooting all aspects of user desktops, software and phone systems. You must have outstanding communication skills with a good telephone manner and strong relationship building skills as the role involves liaison with a number of suppliers e.g. ordering hardware etc. Previous 1st line IT support experience is desirable but not essential. You should have knowledge of Windows and Linux, an understanding of networks is also preferable. For further information please contact me to discuss. All the best JAMES From nuno at scaletrix.com Tue Sep 9 00:47:57 2008 From: nuno at scaletrix.com (Nuno Leitao) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 23:47:57 +0100 Subject: JOB: IT HELPDESK/ CAMBRIDGE In-Reply-To: <1220895149.6240.144.camel@gateway-laptop> References: <1220895149.6240.144.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: <20338f120809081547q5a7154cci263c570371cc2e9f@mail.gmail.com> unsubscribe 2008/9/8 james : > JOB > > hi, > > I am recruiting for an IT Helpdesk Job in Cambridge. > > The role will involve providing 1st Line support by phone and in-person > to the Cambridge office and may call for some travel to other regional > offices too. Part of the job will also include installing, setting up > and troubleshooting all aspects of user desktops, software and phone > systems. > > You must have outstanding communication skills with a good telephone > manner and strong relationship building skills as the role involves > liaison with a number of suppliers e.g. ordering hardware etc. > > Previous 1st line IT support experience is desirable but not essential. > You should have knowledge of Windows and Linux, an understanding of > networks is also preferable. > > For further information please contact me to discuss. > > All the best > JAMES > > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From wawrzek at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 01:39:44 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 00:39:44 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day 2008 In-Reply-To: References: <448D47FA-D904-4BF7-B1DE-4940285B358B@bbsrc.ac.uk> <48A46BAD.4070909@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi, Anything new about meeting? I'm going to join. Do you need anything special? Wawrzek PS. I would like to discuss different way of CAMLug activates if anybody else is interested in ;) Waw -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Tue Sep 9 10:33:52 2008 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:33:52 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day 2008 In-Reply-To: References: <448D47FA-D904-4BF7-B1DE-4940285B358B@bbsrc.ac.uk> <48A46BAD.4070909@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <1B8BCAE9-1A3A-4F67-BEF8-E331ED6D734F@bbsrc.ac.uk> On 9 Sep 2008, at 00:39, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi, > > Anything new about meeting? > > I'm going to join. Do you need anything special? Robert - have you heard whether we've definitely got the market stall spot again? I can probably bring a couple of tables and maybe even a stall / gazebo thing if it looks like its going to rain. I was also going to try to burn a pile of OpenDiscs for current windows users, and some FreeSmug CDs for Mac users. We had a few of these last year and they went down really well. I can also bring along a couple of laptops and some spare batteries which should hopefully run for a few hours. I don't suppose anyone has access to a generator :-) It would be nice to have a good selection of different hardware running linux. Does anyone have one of the linux based ultraportables (EEPC, Wind etc.). This would be a good example of linux going mainstream. It would probably also be good publicity to play the Stephen Fry "Happy birthday to GNU" video which explains free software and gives us celebrity chic! If we're going to do helium balloons then I suppose we need to get those sorted. Any suggestions for what should go on them, or recommendations of where to get them? TTFN Simon. From hjenkins at uvic.ca Tue Sep 9 18:32:44 2008 From: hjenkins at uvic.ca (hjenkins) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: set-up difficulties Message-ID: <26106.142.104.193.193.1220977964.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Hello, all, I just moved to Cambridge two weeks ago. Sorry that my first mailing list post is a request for help, but I've just gotten a connection for my (Gentoo Linux) laptop in my university department, and I'm having some difficulties. It seems that nearly every port save 80 & 110 is blocked, but there are also some problems which seem to stem from other restrictions. rsync, webrsync, SMTP, XMPP, and ping don't work. All worked fine from the local webcaf?. There's also something wrong with the way in which dhcpcd and the local server talk, and the department computer person (who doesn't control these rules) made HTTP work using >dhcpcd -I "01:my_hardware_address" -A eth0 Otherwise the server doesn't recognize my computer and ignores its requests. If anyone else has had these problems, I would love to learn from your struggles rather than my own. Secondly, are you actively holding meetings? If so, when? Thanks, and best wishes. From paul at the-hug.org Tue Sep 9 19:49:43 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:49:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: set-up difficulties In-Reply-To: <26106.142.104.193.193.1220977964.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> References: <26106.142.104.193.193.1220977964.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Message-ID: <9253.192.168.2.100.1220982583.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> On Tue, September 9, 2008 17:32, hjenkins said: > Hello, all, Wotcha, welcome aboard. > I just moved to Cambridge two weeks ago. Sorry that my first mailing list > post is a request for help, but I've just gotten a connection for my > (Gentoo Linux) laptop in my university department, and I'm having some > difficulties. > > It seems that nearly every port save 80 & 110 is blocked, but there are > also some problems which seem to stem from other restrictions. rsync, > webrsync, SMTP, XMPP, and ping don't work. Oh lord. How much of a pain is this for you? There is a solution that comes to mind but it costs: get a little server, set up a VPN to the server and then you're home free - you just route your traffic through the VPN. But you're going to be talking UKP17.50 a month or thereabouts even for a Virtual Machine. We use Bytemark[1] for our VM servers and they're pretty solid but they're not the only people in the game. > Secondly, are you actively holding meetings? If so, when? I think so, but I've never been ... -- Paul [1] http://www.bytemark-hosting.co.uk/r/hug From bnicolson at ippimail.com Tue Sep 9 19:58:18 2008 From: bnicolson at ippimail.com (bnicolson at ippimail.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:58:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: set-up difficulties In-Reply-To: <9253.192.168.2.100.1220982583.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> References: <26106.142.104.193.193.1220977964.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <9253.192.168.2.100.1220982583.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> Message-ID: <50869.82.16.102.233.1220983098.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> ?<> ?Meetings, when they happen, are usually on the second Sunday of the month but are always at CB2 in Norfolk Street. Someone will post to ask if anyone's coming. Next one should be 14th. And hallo.? Bev.? ? -- Email and shopping with the feelgood factor! 55% of income to good causes. http://www.ippimail.com From paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk Wed Sep 10 01:36:00 2008 From: paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:36:00 +0100 Subject: VoIP - phone - Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C70860.2010408@mansfield.co.uk> Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi, > > Could you suggest any USB phone (cordless) working with Linux - > ideally with Skype? Otherwise, could you ensure me that I can make > calls from normal phone via Skype using USB Phone Adapter. Of course I > would like to use VoIP with Linux. The second option might be even > better. One phone is enough :) IMHO these usb phones don't actually achieve anything, other than act as a button pad and audio in/out. why not get a bluetooth dongle and a bluetooth headset? you can buy standalone Skype phones now which don't need a PC at all; or a Nokia tablet can do that, as can an series60 phone running Fring (my nokia e65 does it nicely using wifi). for bonus points, avoid Skype, use SIP, with a provider like sipgate.co.uk or localphone or any one of many. An analogue telephone adaptor like the spa2002/pap2t works very well and requires no computer. again, you can do this kind of VOIP with the voip client built-in to many S60 phones, or the nokia tablet, or various soft phones on linux or windows. From robert at cantab.net Wed Sep 10 11:15:57 2008 From: robert at cantab.net (Robert Schumann) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:15:57 +0100 Subject: set-up difficulties In-Reply-To: <50869.82.16.102.233.1220983098.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> References: <26106.142.104.193.193.1220977964.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <9253.192.168.2.100.1220982583.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> <50869.82.16.102.233.1220983098.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:58 PM, wrote: > > < when?>> > Meetings, when they happen, are usually on the second > Sunday of the month but are always at CB2 in Norfolk Street. Someone will > post to ask if anyone's coming. Next one should be 14th. > In addition, I'll be sending out an email very very soon about Software Freedom Day, which will happen in the centre of Cambridge on Saturday 20 September. As last year, all manner of people are invited, even if you just come to hang around! Robert. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080910/a920a250/attachment-0001.htm From hjenkins at uvic.ca Wed Sep 10 11:37:50 2008 From: hjenkins at uvic.ca (hjenkins) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: VoIP - phone - Linux Message-ID: <12280.142.104.193.193.1221039470.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Audio into a laptop is difficult, as it is a very electrically noisy environment. 'Phone-quality sound is easy to get, but if you want decent music or voice recognition you'll need to be more picky about what you buy. Anything you feed through the integrated soundcard will be noisy; if you want to cut that noise, you need an external sound card, either built into the microphone or as a separate sound adapter (which will make even a 1-pound microphone sound much better). See http://www.voicerecognition.com/board/lofiversion/index.php?f19.html for specific product recommendations, some of them wireless. If you find a good way of doing VoIP without nasty user agreements, please tell me; Jingle seems to be in the embryonic stage still, and I've not yet gotten into it. From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Wed Sep 10 13:46:19 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:46:19 +0100 Subject: VoIP - phone - Linux In-Reply-To: <12280.142.104.193.193.1221039470.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> References: <12280.142.104.193.193.1221039470.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Message-ID: <20080910114619.GA3110@weber> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 02:37:50AM -0700, hjenkins wrote: > Anything you feed through the integrated soundcard will be noisy; if > you want to cut that noise, you need an external sound card On that note, I'm selling an Aureon 5.1 USB MKII external sound card: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~te233/selling/ Tom From hjenkins at uvic.ca Wed Sep 10 15:14:36 2008 From: hjenkins at uvic.ca (hjenkins) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: set-up difficulties Message-ID: <12825.142.104.193.193.1221052476.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Thanks, everyone. I've been told today that the restrictions will vanish when the appropriate pieces of paperwork arrive. So cross fingers. In the meanwhile I can't update my system (or access any of the university's public websites), but I suppose many people go for weeks at a time without updating their systems, and survive... :-) I'll try and make it out on the 14th and 20th. From nuno at scaletrix.com Fri Sep 12 03:26:12 2008 From: nuno at scaletrix.com (Nuno Leitao) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:26:12 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. Message-ID: Hi all, As you might have noticed, I am not particularly active in this mailing list (I'm not even in Cambridge anymore), but I subscribe it because there are still some people around I used to know, and because occasionally there are a few tidbits of useful information kindly donated by the subscribers. For some time now I have noticed the pretty constant flow of job ads in CLUG. Not that I take issue with that particularly, since it can actually be useful for people who might be looking for jobs, but still I'd say someone should benefit from what is clearly a commercial endeavor which will eventually benefit the poster. I therefore suggest that the CLUG administrators create a small fee for job ads to be posted - and for the proceedings to be donated to charity. A ?5 fee per job ad would result in ?50-?100 a year going to charity, since looking back in the archives we seem to be getting 1 or 2 ads per month. Just my $.02. --Nuno From tuxbox.guru at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 08:04:03 2008 From: tuxbox.guru at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:04:03 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CA0653.3040804@gmail.com> I dont see a problem with targeted email. People sell/give away goods on the list too. and thats is not a problem. I personally think you are over-reacting at the 'Quantity' as the job mails I find useful, but there are only one or two job adverts per month... Is that a problem? I am sure you get more email adverts for Viagra in your mailbox. Most agents give a 'finders fee' for successful placement, why not ask for the finders fee to to to the Clug admin for hosting and such. My 0.2c Richard Nuno Leitao wrote: > Hi all, > > As you might have noticed, I am not particularly active in this > mailing list (I'm not even in Cambridge anymore), but I subscribe it > because there are still some people around I used to know, and because > occasionally there are a few tidbits of useful information kindly > donated by the subscribers. > > For some time now I have noticed the pretty constant flow of job ads > in CLUG. Not that I take issue with that particularly, since it can > actually be useful for people who might be looking for jobs, but still > I'd say someone should benefit from what is clearly a commercial > endeavor which will eventually benefit the poster. > > I therefore suggest that the CLUG administrators create a small fee > for job ads to be posted - and for the proceedings to be donated to > charity. > > A ?5 fee per job ad would result in ?50-?100 a year going to charity, > since looking back in the archives we seem to be getting 1 or 2 ads > per month. > > Just my $.02. > > --Nuno_______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From paul at the-hug.org Fri Sep 12 09:41:25 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:41:25 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> On 12/09/08 02:26, Nuno Leitao wrote: > For some time now I have noticed the pretty constant flow of job ads > in CLUG. Not that I take issue with that particularly, since it can > actually be useful for people who might be looking for jobs, but still > I'd say someone should benefit from what is clearly a commercial > endeavor which will eventually benefit the poster. Most of them are from James at Camalyn. I confess that this is probably my fault in encouraging him as I found him a DBA after he posted an advert here several times (I should add that this didn't benefit *me*, i was doing it as a favour to a friend who was looking for a job). > I therefore suggest that the CLUG administrators create a small fee > for job ads to be posted - and for the proceedings to be donated to > charity. > > A GBP5 fee per job ad would result in GBP50-GBP100 a year going to > charity, since looking back in the archives we seem to be getting > 1 or 2 ads per month. An agency is going to make into four figures for placing *one* person and advertising via other channels costs money so some sponsorship from the likes of Camalyn, perhaps paying all our server hosting fees, might be worth thinking about ... -- Paul From tuxbox.guru at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 10:16:16 2008 From: tuxbox.guru at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:16:16 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> Most of the arguments are single sided. Look from a point of view from a person on the Clug list that is forced to do windows support for a living... by posting a linux related Job offer here might just be the key to uplift this poor Windows engineers soul and move to greener linux pastures. In that case the job posting is more of a public service offering :-P Richard my 0.4c (inflation is really kicking in now) Paul Oldham wrote: > On 12/09/08 02:26, Nuno Leitao wrote: > >> For some time now I have noticed the pretty constant flow of job ads >> in CLUG. Not that I take issue with that particularly, since it can >> actually be useful for people who might be looking for jobs, but >> still I'd say someone should benefit from what is clearly a >> commercial endeavor which will eventually benefit the poster. > > Most of them are from James at Camalyn. I confess that this is > probably my fault in encouraging him as I found him a DBA after he > posted an advert here several times (I should add that this didn't > benefit *me*, i was doing it as a favour to a friend who was looking > for a job). > >> I therefore suggest that the CLUG administrators create a small fee >> for job ads to be posted - and for the proceedings to be donated to >> charity. >> >> A GBP5 fee per job ad would result in GBP50-GBP100 a year going to >> charity, since looking back in the archives we seem to be getting >> 1 or 2 ads per month. > > An agency is going to make into four figures for placing *one* person > and advertising via other channels costs money so some sponsorship > from the likes of Camalyn, perhaps paying all our server hosting fees, > might be worth thinking about ... > From paul at the-hug.org Fri Sep 12 10:39:27 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:39:27 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CA2ABF.9040002@the-hug.org> On 12/09/08 09:16, Richard wrote: > Most of the arguments are single sided. [...] What arguments? No one (posting to the list at least) is (yet) saying we shouldn't have job ads here, just that as they're an income stream in some cases why shouldn't someone benefit. -- Paul From tuxbox.guru at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 10:43:27 2008 From: tuxbox.guru at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:43:27 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA2ABF.9040002@the-hug.org> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> <48CA2ABF.9040002@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <48CA2BAF.9030806@gmail.com> Paul Oldham wrote: > On 12/09/08 09:16, Richard wrote: > >> Most of the arguments are single sided. [...] > > What arguments? No one (posting to the list at least) is (yet) saying > we shouldn't have job ads here, just that as they're an income stream > in some cases why shouldn't someone benefit. > lemme rephrase then.. not argument, but discussion. sorry, wrong choice of words. Richard From clug at minimal.cx Fri Sep 12 12:32:00 2008 From: clug at minimal.cx (Ian Spray) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:32:00 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080912103200.GA6210@minimal.cx> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:16:16AM +0100, Richard wrote: > Most of the arguments are single sided. Look from a point of view from a > person on the Clug list that is forced to do windows support for a > living... by posting a linux related Job offer here might just be the key > to uplift this poor Windows engineers soul and move to greener linux > pastures. > > In that case the job posting is more of a public service offering :-P > Actually, this is pretty much what I was thinking - I've had the joy of looking for a job twice inside 12 months after a long time in one company and, to be honest, if even half the agencies I spoke to were as correctly targeted as the ads posted here I'd have been delighted. I also get more Windows and Games programming job offers in a typical 6 week period than ads on CLUG, despite not ever having written a game (BASIC on a BBC B doesn't count, apparently) or programmed Windows for over 12 years. About my only constructive comment would be that Camalyn's ads could be a little more specific in terms of details, given that the audience here can probably cope with more than just "Programming Linux Databases", but arguably if I'm that interested I could just reply to the advert... Just my 0.00 (my views are worth what you paid for them) TTFN, -- Ian Spray GPG Fingerprint: D170 35A3 C858 6E85 9B5B 1557 4CD5 6F6F E176 2D0A From nuno at scaletrix.com Fri Sep 12 13:27:14 2008 From: nuno at scaletrix.com (Nuno Leitao) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:27:14 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA2ABF.9040002@the-hug.org> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> <48CA2ABF.9040002@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <20338f120809120427o179f3b19ub190573ea36050da@mail.gmail.com> That's correct - the point is, if we are to get job ads in the list, and considering that agencies don't exactly work for the "benefit" of the members (but rather for the benefit of their own pockets), then contributing in some way for the overall good would be a good thing. My suggestion would be that any job ad would be paid for, either by a small contribution to a charity of choice, or - whenever a job is placed through a list contact, that a finders fee is paid. It would certainly make me feel a lot better for getting (even more) job ads in my mail box. Regards. --Nuno 2008/9/12 Paul Oldham : > On 12/09/08 09:16, Richard wrote: > >> Most of the arguments are single sided. [...] > > What arguments? No one (posting to the list at least) is (yet) saying we > shouldn't have job ads here, just that as they're an income stream in some > cases why shouldn't someone benefit. > > -- > Paul > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From hjenkins at uvic.ca Fri Sep 12 13:34:35 2008 From: hjenkins at uvic.ca (hjenkins) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Job ads in CLUG. Message-ID: <30353.142.104.193.193.1221219275.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> I guess it's currently a gift economy; the CLUG mailing list gives free exposure to job advertisers, and gives subscribers free access to interesting jobs. One might hope that some of the money saved on placement agencies goes to charity, one might suggest it, or one might require it. Separately, if people are annoyed by the job postings, why not ask job posters to include the string "[JOB OFFER]"/"[JOB WANTED]" in the subject line? The people with good jobs can route anything from CLUG with that string to /dev/null, and if job posts start to eat serious bandwidth it could be made a subscription option. It would also make it easier to post the jobs on the website, should anyone find it worthwhile to do that :-). My 1p worth, at current exchange rates. From jt at camalyn.org Fri Sep 12 13:40:57 2008 From: jt at camalyn.org (james) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:40:57 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <30353.142.104.193.193.1221219275.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> References: <30353.142.104.193.193.1221219275.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Message-ID: <1221219657.6407.69.camel@gateway-laptop> hi everyone, I think most of the time a job post is made by me only once in any given month, there has probably been times when an ad might have been re-posted twice in the same month though (I'm not a fan of this but sometimes the response has been very dry). Any post relating to a job ad I do prefix with JOB: so this should allow members to setup rules in their mail clients to deal with these posts or simply click the delete key rather than open and read. In terms of anybody benefiting from my posting jobs ads, I am hoping that it could benefit the group as a whole. I have a genuine interest in all things open source and this could be of benefit to a CLUG member looking for a new job or a CLUG member that maybe even a client looking to recruit themselves. I do run Linux on several machines and there are times when I could do with a bit of help myself, but I tend to turn to Google and find out the answers quicker. However, where and when possible I am happy to offer any assistance to others. If the general consensus of the list is that you don't want me to post jobs ads please let me know and I will immediately stop - I don't want to upset anybody. I'm not promising anything but assuming all is ok for jobs ads to continue to be posted maybe I could come along to one of the CLUG meetups and get a few beers in or someone might like to get in touch with me to talk about arranging a CLUG meet-up. This would be good as you can meet and get to know me ....and me you. thanks James On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 04:34 -0700, hjenkins wrote: > I guess it's currently a gift economy; the CLUG mailing list gives free > exposure to job advertisers, and gives subscribers free access to > interesting jobs. One might hope that some of the money saved on placement > agencies goes to charity, one might suggest it, or one might require it. > > Separately, if people are annoyed by the job postings, why not ask job > posters to include the string "[JOB OFFER]"/"[JOB WANTED]" in the subject > line? > > The people with good jobs can route anything from CLUG with that string to > /dev/null, and if job posts start to eat serious bandwidth it could be > made a subscription option. It would also make it easier to post the jobs > on the website, should anyone find it worthwhile to do that :-). > > My 1p worth, at current exchange rates. > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From delaneygrant at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 14:23:25 2008 From: delaneygrant at gmail.com (Grant Delaney) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:23:25 +0200 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <1221219657.6407.69.camel@gateway-laptop> References: <30353.142.104.193.193.1221219275.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <1221219657.6407.69.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: Afternoon All I have found it very helpful having job adverts in the mailing list. I have personally replied to a couple. I would say if there were more than a couple a month, it would warrant a clug-jobs@ mail list. I know the job posting are a bit vague but a short mail explaining the position vs posting the entire job description, I would rather have the short one for a quick glance to see if I am interested. A fellow clug member (or soon to be) saving us the hassle of having to wade through all the job sites for a local linux position, I would say let them post here, within reason of course. Regards Grant On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:40 PM, james wrote: > hi everyone, > > I think most of the time a job post is made by me only once in any given > month, there has probably been times when an ad might have been > re-posted twice in the same month though (I'm not a fan of this but > sometimes the response has been very dry). > > Any post relating to a job ad I do prefix with JOB: so this should allow > members to setup rules in their mail clients to deal with these posts or > simply click the delete key rather than open and read. > > In terms of anybody benefiting from my posting jobs ads, I am hoping > that it could benefit the group as a whole. I have a genuine interest > in all things open source and this could be of benefit to a CLUG member > looking for a new job or a CLUG member that maybe even a client looking > to recruit themselves. > > I do run Linux on several machines and there are times when I could do > with a bit of help myself, but I tend to turn to Google and find out the > answers quicker. However, where and when possible I am happy to offer > any assistance to others. > > If the general consensus of the list is that you don't want me to post > jobs ads please let me know and I will immediately stop - I don't want > to upset anybody. > > I'm not promising anything but assuming all is ok for jobs ads to > continue to be posted maybe I could come along to one of the CLUG > meetups and get a few beers in or someone might like to get in touch > with me to talk about arranging a CLUG meet-up. This would be good as > you can meet and get to know me ....and me you. > > thanks James > > > On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 04:34 -0700, hjenkins wrote: >> I guess it's currently a gift economy; the CLUG mailing list gives free >> exposure to job advertisers, and gives subscribers free access to >> interesting jobs. One might hope that some of the money saved on placement >> agencies goes to charity, one might suggest it, or one might require it. >> >> Separately, if people are annoyed by the job postings, why not ask job >> posters to include the string "[JOB OFFER]"/"[JOB WANTED]" in the subject >> line? >> >> The people with good jobs can route anything from CLUG with that string to >> /dev/null, and if job posts start to eat serious bandwidth it could be >> made a subscription option. It would also make it easier to post the jobs >> on the website, should anyone find it worthwhile to do that :-). >> >> My 1p worth, at current exchange rates. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug at cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk Fri Sep 12 16:03:28 2008 From: paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:03:28 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> create a separate "clug-jobs" mailing list for people who might be interested, and those of us not interested don't get what we see as spam. From jt at camalyn.org Fri Sep 12 16:20:41 2008 From: jt at camalyn.org (james) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:20:41 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 15:03 +0100, Paul M wrote: > create a separate "clug-jobs" mailing list for people who might be > interested, and those of us not interested don't get what we see as spam. --- in principle that may sound like a good idea. however, as a recruiter that would not work for me im afraid and i probably wouldn't post to that list as i am certain that it would not bring me the results i needed. on the general consensus that its probably more beneficial to receive job ads on/ from the list than to not, could people not just set up a mail rule that handles those posts that are prefixed in the subject and body with "JOB:" thanks J From gareth.pullen at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 16:34:58 2008 From: gareth.pullen at gmail.com (gareth pullen) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:34:58 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: Just to chip in here, I'd suggest putting the title as "Job Ad" or something like that, since (in GMail anyway) using the filter "Job:" will pick up on any subject containing the word job, so "cron job" would be picked up too. Unless someone knows of a way to get GMail to be a bit finer in the filter (and no, enclosing it in quotes doesn't change it so it has to have the : after job), I'd prefer to have Job Ad: in the subject. Gareth 2008/9/12 james : > On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 15:03 +0100, Paul M wrote: >> create a separate "clug-jobs" mailing list for people who might be >> interested, and those of us not interested don't get what we see as spam. > > --- > > in principle that may sound like a good idea. however, as a recruiter > that would not work for me im afraid and i probably wouldn't post to > that list as i am certain that it would not bring me the results i > needed. > > on the general consensus that its probably more beneficial to receive > job ads on/ from the list than to not, could people not just set up a > mail rule that handles those posts that are prefixed in the subject and > body with "JOB:" > > thanks J > > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From gareth.pullen at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 16:39:50 2008 From: gareth.pullen at gmail.com (gareth pullen) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:39:50 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <1221230215.7296.21.camel@gateway-laptop> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> <1221230215.7296.21.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: > I'm happy to prefix as Job Ad: > > or post job ads from jobs at camalyn.org if that helps instead. then you > can maybe create rules based on this address alone. I think it'd be better to use Job Ad: in the subject, that way anyone can post one and not upset anyone else. Gareth From tuxbox.guru at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 16:41:25 2008 From: tuxbox.guru at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:41:25 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: <48CA7F95.5040607@gmail.com> gareth pullen wrote: > Just to chip in here, I'd suggest putting the title as "Job Ad" or > something like that, since (in GMail anyway) using the filter "Job:" > will pick up on any subject containing the word job, so "cron job" > would be picked up too. > Unless someone knows of a way to get GMail to be a bit finer in the > filter (and no, enclosing it in quotes doesn't change it so it has to > have the : after job), I'd prefer to have Job Ad: in the subject. > > Gareth > > 2008/9/12 james : > >> On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 15:03 +0100, Paul M wrote: >> >>> create a separate "clug-jobs" mailing list for people who might be >>> interested, and those of us not interested don't get what we see as spam. >>> >> --- >> >> in principle that may sound like a good idea. however, as a recruiter >> that would not work for me im afraid and i probably wouldn't post to >> that list as i am certain that it would not bring me the results i >> needed. >> >> on the general consensus that its probably more beneficial to receive >> job ads on/ from the list than to not, could people not just set up a >> mail rule that handles those posts that are prefixed in the subject and >> body with "JOB:" >> >> thanks J >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug at cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > Agreement from me. I have not benefited from the Ad's , but I know people who have, and it would be such a waste to see it go. Richard From paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk Fri Sep 12 17:16:41 2008 From: paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:16:41 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <1221219657.6407.69.camel@gateway-laptop> References: <30353.142.104.193.193.1221219275.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <1221219657.6407.69.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: <48CA87D9.2000601@mansfield.co.uk> james wrote: > continue to be posted maybe I could come along to one of the CLUG > meetups and get a few beers in or someone might like to get in touch > with me to talk about arranging a CLUG meet-up. This would be good as > you can meet and get to know me ....and me you. ah, bribery... works for me :-) perhaps you could also gain some cheap publicity by sponsoring Software Freedom Day?! From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Sep 12 17:52:17 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:52:17 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: <20080912155217.GB3054@weber> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 03:34:58PM +0100, gareth pullen wrote: > Just to chip in here, I'd suggest putting the title as "Job Ad" or > something like that, since (in GMail anyway) using the filter "Job:" > will pick up on any subject containing the word job, so "cron job" > would be picked up too. Why on earth do people continue to use GMail? Its filtering capabilities sound absolutely rubbish. From clug at gasops.co.uk Fri Sep 12 17:54:39 2008 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:54:39 +0100 Subject: VoIP - phone - Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CA90BF.2060709@gasops.co.uk> * Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi, > > Could you suggest any USB phone (cordless) working with Linux - > ideally with Skype? Otherwise, could you ensure me that I can make > calls from normal phone via Skype using USB Phone Adapter. Of course I > would like to use VoIP with Linux. The second option might be even > better. One phone is enough :) With rebtel you don't even need VoIP support. Any phone can be used and they do the VoIP in between for you. Handy when all you have is a payphone ;-) From ben at whyte-systems.co.uk Fri Sep 12 18:04:51 2008 From: ben at whyte-systems.co.uk (Ben Whyte) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:04:51 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA7F95.5040607@gmail.com> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> <48CA7F95.5040607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CA9323.9010806@whyte-systems.co.uk> I would chip in and say that James is a particulalry considerate job poster compared to one or two of the lug lists I belong to. I suggest that he is allowed to continue posting to the list, maybe making the subject job ad: for filtering purposes. My .02p Ben From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Sep 12 18:07:58 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:07:58 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA9323.9010806@whyte-systems.co.uk> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> <48CA7F95.5040607@gmail.com> <48CA9323.9010806@whyte-systems.co.uk> Message-ID: <20080912160758.GA4567@weber> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 05:04:51PM +0100, Ben Whyte wrote: > I would chip in and say that James is a particulalry considerate job poster > compared to one or two of the lug lists I belong to. I suggest that he is > allowed to continue posting to the list, maybe making the subject job ad: > for filtering purposes. For what it's worth, I'm entirely in support of that. Also note that this discussion has already grown to a number of messages equal to over 1.5 years' worth of James' postings. From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 19:33:38 2008 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:33:38 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <20080912160758.GA4567@weber> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> <48CA7F95.5040607@gmail.com> <48CA9323.9010806@whyte-systems.co.uk> <20080912160758.GA4567@weber> Message-ID: <126d63860809121033g15fd15c0l4aab981c98baacd@mail.gmail.com> I also do not object to job ads on this list. ...and I quite like gmail. ;) -- Drew Fitzsimmons From dom at latter.org Fri Sep 12 22:55:35 2008 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:55:35 +0200 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <20080912160758.GA4567@weber> References: <48CA9323.9010806@whyte-systems.co.uk> <20080912160758.GA4567@weber> Message-ID: <200809122255.35928.dom@latter.org> On Friday 12 September 2008 18:07:58 Tom Ellis wrote: > For what it's worth, I'm entirely in support of that. Also note that this > discussion has already grown to a number of messages equal to over 1.5 > years' worth of James' postings. In that case I'll chip in to help it on its way to 2.0. And point out that James does seem to read the list, doesn't just use it for his own ends, hasn't got all huffy about the suggestions put forward... Sponsoring Software Freedom Day sounds like an excellent idea to me. Am I allowed to say "win-win situation"? From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Sep 12 23:01:09 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:01:09 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <200809122255.35928.dom@latter.org> References: <48CA9323.9010806@whyte-systems.co.uk> <20080912160758.GA4567@weber> <200809122255.35928.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <20080912210109.GA11407@weber> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:55:35PM +0200, Dom Latter wrote: > Sponsoring Software Freedom Day sounds like an excellent idea to me. > Am I allowed to say "win-win situation"? I don't think James has actually agreed to that yet! But if so, "win-win" I agree. Marvellous :-) From robert at cantab.net Sun Sep 14 00:14:38 2008 From: robert at cantab.net (Robert Schumann) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:14:38 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day - next Saturday! Message-ID: Hi all, It's come that time of the year again, and you're all invited to come spread the word about software freedom in Cambridge next week, joining teams from around the world who are participating in Software Freedom Day. This is the fifth celebration of SFD, since it started with a modest 20-odd team in 2004, and this year we're heading for well over 500 teams registered. Please let me (and the list) know if you are able to come down to Market Square (outside the Guildhall) for a few hours on Saturday! No special skills are required, and there will be a supply of coffee and other bits as required. In support of the event, we have so far procured (in addition to a permit to hold the event): * a few tables from Simon Andrews * a stall/gazebo in case it rains from Simon * soda stream from Paul M * SuSE DVDs from Paul M * one or two Elonex webbooks courtesy of The Open Learning Centre ...and the official SFD supplies: * 100 or so Ubuntu CDs in professional-looking sleeves * 3 or 4 T-shirts (they are allegedly larger than last years!) * a bunch of SFD stickers * a handful of SFD balloons * some SFD badges * one or two OpenEducation Discs T-shirts will be distributed to first comers on Saturday morning - we're planning to be up and running at 09.00 and go until 13.00 or later if we feel inspired. We're still looking for volunteers to (a) get hold of (i.e. print) some suitable leaflets to hand out, and (b) produce some Open Discs (we have none at the moment). Please let us know if you're up to it! Robert. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll bring the tables and stall to the road down the side of the town hall (the same place as last year) at around 9am. It would be really good if one or two people can meet me there to start setting up as I will have to go off and park somewhere else. Any volunteers? TTFN Simon. From tomharling at aol.com Wed Sep 17 00:00:02 2008 From: tomharling at aol.com (Tom Harling) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:00:02 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <200809150626.91e48ce386533e@rly-md08.mx.aol.com> References: <200809150626.91e48ce386533e@rly-md08.mx.aol.com> Message-ID: <48D02C62.8070603@aol.com> Hi Can we bring along laptops (Software Freedom Day) - I have one which I run Ubuntu on and thought it would be cool to bring it along + show people? (Also, will there be benches etc. to put stuff on?) Thanks Tom From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Wed Sep 17 00:04:55 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:04:55 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <48D02C62.8070603@aol.com> References: <200809150626.91e48ce386533e@rly-md08.mx.aol.com> <48D02C62.8070603@aol.com> Message-ID: <20080916220455.GA5376@weber> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:00:02PM +0100, Tom Harling wrote: > Can we bring along laptops (Software Freedom Day) - I have one which I run > Ubuntu on and thought it would be cool to bring it along + show people? > (Also, will there be benches etc. to put stuff on?) Yeah good idea. I'll try to bring along my Eee. Last year there was a large bench displaying many gadgets. From robert at cantab.net Wed Sep 17 00:30:02 2008 From: robert at cantab.net (Robert Schumann) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:30:02 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day - next Saturday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 8:36 AM, simon andrews (BI) < simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk> wrote: > I'll bring the tables and stall to the road down the side of the town > hall (the same place as last year) at around 9am. It would be really > good if one or two people can meet me there to start setting up as I > will have to go off and park somewhere else. > > Any volunteers? In case it wasn't obvious, I'm volunteering. See you then. R. > > > TTFN > > Simon. > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080916/cd080b91/attachment-0001.htm From wawrzek at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 13:05:12 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:05:12 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day - next Saturday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Robert Schumann wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 8:36 AM, simon andrews (BI) > wrote: [...] >> Any volunteers? > > In case it wasn't obvious, I'm volunteering. See you then. Another one. We might exchange mobiles number. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Wed Sep 17 13:11:35 2008 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:11:35 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day - next Saturday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 17 Sep 2008, at 12:05, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Another one. We might exchange mobiles number. That's a very good suggestion. Mine's 0795 101 9478 Simon. From admin at backup-data.net Wed Sep 17 20:27:00 2008 From: admin at backup-data.net (Admin) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:27:00 +0100 Subject: need some development Message-ID: <48D14BF4.8080903@backup-data.net> Hi there, I am sysadmin for a company based in Cambridge, this company needs someone for a small development. Kind of extension/plug-in for picture viever under Linux, function "send to" The most interesting is Canola2 on Nokia N810, we are going to use it as demo for inhouse product. Please take a look for more info: http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/developer.html If you are intrested in this please contact me on priv: admin at backup-data.net Thanks, Alex PS. Sorry for this spam, it isn't job offer ;) From paul at the-hug.org Wed Sep 17 20:53:14 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:53:14 +0100 (BST) Subject: need some development In-Reply-To: <48D14BF4.8080903@backup-data.net> References: <48D14BF4.8080903@backup-data.net> Message-ID: <6463.192.168.2.100.1221677594.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> On Wed, September 17, 2008 19:27, Alex said: > Hi there, > I am sysadmin for a company based in Cambridge, this company needs > someone for a small development. [...] > PS. Sorry for this spam, it isn't job offer ;) And it isn't really English either ... -- Paul From paul at the-hug.org Wed Sep 17 22:57:22 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:57:22 +0100 Subject: need some development In-Reply-To: <6463.192.168.2.100.1221677594.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> References: <48D14BF4.8080903@backup-data.net> <6463.192.168.2.100.1221677594.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> Message-ID: <48D16F32.9030602@the-hug.org> On 17/09/08 19:53, Paul Oldham wrote: > On Wed, September 17, 2008 19:27, Alex said: > >> Hi there, >> I am sysadmin for a company based in Cambridge, this company needs >> someone for a small development. [...] >> PS. Sorry for this spam, it isn't job offer ;) > > And it isn't really English either ... ... but then neither's Alex. :-( My apologies to him. We've talked about this requirement off list. He's a bit vague on details but it looks like it's probably a Python job. They just want it to demonstrate their device so the code produced can be Open Sourced and they are looking for a contractor to do the work to whom they will pay market rates. If that sounds like it's up your street then you need to speak to Alex (it's not mine, I'm a PHP weenie, never really got into Python). -- Paul From turnerst at family-zone.co.uk Wed Sep 17 22:59:39 2008 From: turnerst at family-zone.co.uk (Stuart Turner) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:59:39 +0100 Subject: need some development In-Reply-To: <48D16F32.9030602@the-hug.org> References: <48D14BF4.8080903@backup-data.net> <6463.192.168.2.100.1221677594.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> <48D16F32.9030602@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <00bc01c91908$4e237870$ea6a6950$@co.uk> I can help with Python. Need more details. -----Original Message----- From: clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org [mailto:clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org] On Behalf Of Paul Oldham Sent: 17 September 2008 21:57 To: CLUG Subject: Re: need some development On 17/09/08 19:53, Paul Oldham wrote: > On Wed, September 17, 2008 19:27, Alex said: > >> Hi there, >> I am sysadmin for a company based in Cambridge, this company needs >> someone for a small development. [...] >> PS. Sorry for this spam, it isn't job offer ;) > > And it isn't really English either ... ... but then neither's Alex. :-( My apologies to him. We've talked about this requirement off list. He's a bit vague on details but it looks like it's probably a Python job. They just want it to demonstrate their device so the code produced can be Open Sourced and they are looking for a contractor to do the work to whom they will pay market rates. If that sounds like it's up your street then you need to speak to Alex (it's not mine, I'm a PHP weenie, never really got into Python). -- Paul _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug at cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From robert at cantab.net Thu Sep 18 22:20:46 2008 From: robert at cantab.net (Robert Schumann) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:20:46 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <20080916220455.GA5376@weber> References: <200809150626.91e48ce386533e@rly-md08.mx.aol.com> <48D02C62.8070603@aol.com> <20080916220455.GA5376@weber> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:00:02PM +0100, Tom Harling wrote: > > Can we bring along laptops (Software Freedom Day) - I have one which I > run > > Ubuntu on and thought it would be cool to bring it along + show people? > > (Also, will there be benches etc. to put stuff on?) > > Yeah good idea. I'll try to bring along my Eee. Last year there was a > large bench displaying many gadgets. > I have now taken delivery of two Elonex webbooks from an organisation called The Open Learning Centre. They are nifty little gadgets running Ubuntu and available at Carphone Warehouse. Does anyone who might be coming along to SFD in Cambridge on Saturday (reminder: from 9am, outside the Guildhall on Market Square) have a 3G dongle? Apparently these devices do work OK, our of the box, with such dongles, and it might be fun to try it out on Saturday and have the internet to entertain people. R. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080918/636fdeef/attachment-0001.htm From magnus at therning.org Thu Sep 18 22:41:07 2008 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:41:07 +0100 Subject: Ergonomic keyboards to borrow? Message-ID: Is there anywhere in Cambridge I can turn to borrow or rent an ergonomic keyboard before I go off spending my money? /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From paul at peck.org.uk Fri Sep 19 13:02:42 2008 From: paul at peck.org.uk (Paul Hardwick) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:02:42 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day References: <200809150626.91e48ce386533e@rly-md08.mx.aol.com><48D02C62.8070603@aol.com> <20080916220455.GA5376@weber> Message-ID: <002301c91a47$3fef3010$080b280a@OPTION.local> Hi Robert, Excuse me jumping in... I am happy to loan out an "unlocked" Icon 225 - I cant offer a SIM. Fyi I wrote the HSOconnect app that was initially used for the Orange package. www.pharscape.org Cheers, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Schumann To: Tom Ellis ; clug at cambridge-lug.org Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:20 PM Subject: Re: Software Freedom Day On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Tom Ellis wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:00:02PM +0100, Tom Harling wrote: > Can we bring along laptops (Software Freedom Day) - I have one which I run > Ubuntu on and thought it would be cool to bring it along + show people? > (Also, will there be benches etc. to put stuff on?) Yeah good idea. I'll try to bring along my Eee. Last year there was a large bench displaying many gadgets. I have now taken delivery of two Elonex webbooks from an organisation called The Open Learning Centre. They are nifty little gadgets running Ubuntu and available at Carphone Warehouse. Does anyone who might be coming along to SFD in Cambridge on Saturday (reminder: from 9am, outside the Guildhall on Market Square) have a 3G dongle? Apparently these devices do work OK, our of the box, with such dongles, and it might be fun to try it out on Saturday and have the internet to entertain people. R. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug at cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080919/efb835d6/attachment.htm From hjenkins at uvic.ca Fri Sep 19 13:23:21 2008 From: hjenkins at uvic.ca (hjenkins) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: place to post about Software Freedom Day? Message-ID: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Hello, all, Would posting on this Cambridge site: http://www.wereallneighbours.co.uk/ about Software Freedom Day (and maybe about CLUG) be a good idea? All the best, Hazel From onepoint at starurchin.org Fri Sep 19 14:12:17 2008 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:12:17 +0100 Subject: place to post about Software Freedom Day? In-Reply-To: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> References: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Message-ID: <20080919121217.GD12572@omphalos.onepoint> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 04:23:21AM -0700, hjenkins wrote: > Would posting on this Cambridge site: > http://www.wereallneighbours.co.uk/ > > about Software Freedom Day (and maybe about CLUG) be a good idea? I think so. I use that site as my main portal for finding out about Cambridge events, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Cheers, Jeremy Henty From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Sep 19 19:43:48 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:43:48 +0100 Subject: place to post about Software Freedom Day? In-Reply-To: <20080919121217.GD12572@omphalos.onepoint> References: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <20080919121217.GD12572@omphalos.onepoint> Message-ID: <20080919174348.GA3897@weber> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 01:12:17PM +0100, Jeremy Henty wrote: > On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 04:23:21AM -0700, hjenkins wrote: > > > Would posting on this Cambridge site: > > http://www.wereallneighbours.co.uk/ > > > > about Software Freedom Day (and maybe about CLUG) be a good idea? > > I think so. I use that site as my main portal for finding out about > Cambridge events, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Has this been submitted? I've just looked at the site and can't see anything about SFD. I've never used the site before though, so I don't necessarily know what I'm doing! Tom From dom at latter.org Fri Sep 19 21:56:48 2008 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:56:48 +0200 Subject: place to post about Software Freedom Day? In-Reply-To: <20080919174348.GA3897@weber> References: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <20080919121217.GD12572@omphalos.onepoint> <20080919174348.GA3897@weber> Message-ID: <200809192156.49360.dom@latter.org> On Friday 19 September 2008 19:43:48 Tom Ellis wrote: [ http://www.wereallneighbours.co.uk/ ] > Has this been submitted? I've just looked at the site and can't see > anything about SFD. I've never used the site before though, so I don't > necessarily know what I'm doing! I can't see anything, but then you have to plough through three pages just to wind the clock back 24 hours. There's sod-all categorisation and everybody posts threads with uninformative titles so the only way of staying on top of things is by devoting vast amounts of time to it. Maybe that's *why* it's a popular site... From paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk Fri Sep 19 23:53:46 2008 From: paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:53:46 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day - next Saturday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D41F6A.3050607@mansfield.co.uk> Robert Schumann wrote: > * soda stream from Paul M > * SuSE DVDs from Paul M I feel like an utter *** for doing this, but office refurbishment's gone over time and I'm not going to be able to make it after all... notwithstanding still suffering from a twisted ankle which makes standing for any length of time difficult. I'll have to make up for it and come to a clug night and buy some drinks. really sorry for this, if I tried to get out of it I'd be getting some very dirty looks from those who're working. :-( From wawrzek at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 00:01:33 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:01:33 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day - next Saturday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, mine: 07917447988 What time and where I should be? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From mcconville.steve at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 00:06:22 2008 From: mcconville.steve at gmail.com (Steve McConville) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:06:22 +0100 Subject: place to post about Software Freedom Day? In-Reply-To: <200809192156.49360.dom@latter.org> References: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <20080919121217.GD12572@omphalos.onepoint> <20080919174348.GA3897@weber> <200809192156.49360.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <56652bc0809191506x4290b2ccud146c377ded31314@mail.gmail.com> > I can't see anything, but then you have to plough through three pages > just to wind the clock back 24 hours. There's sod-all categorisation > and everybody posts threads with uninformative titles so the only > way of staying on top of things is by devoting vast amounts of time > to it. Maybe that's *why* it's a popular site... Are you looking at the 'idle chat' section? The 'cambridge events' section has categories. It strikes me as a largely abandoned mid-90s php custom codebase (like I used to write). FWIW I have a (buggy) RSS-producing screen scraper for it at http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/cgi-bin/scraper.cgi that I keep meaning to add categorisation features to. -- steev http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/ From dom at latter.org Sat Sep 20 00:41:12 2008 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:41:12 +0200 Subject: place to post about Software Freedom Day? In-Reply-To: <56652bc0809191506x4290b2ccud146c377ded31314@mail.gmail.com> References: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <200809192156.49360.dom@latter.org> <56652bc0809191506x4290b2ccud146c377ded31314@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809200041.13509.dom@latter.org> On Saturday 20 September 2008 00:06:22 Steve McConville wrote: > Are you looking at the 'idle chat' section? The 'cambridge events' Certainly am. > section has categories. It strikes me as a largely abandoned mid-90s > php custom codebase (like I used to write). FWIW I have a (buggy) Yep. One of the more baffling "features" is that the site doesn't record IP addresses when people send personal messages. (Maybe it just doesn't, ever). From nix at esperi.org.uk Sat Sep 20 19:18:02 2008 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:18:02 +0100 Subject: Ergonomic keyboards to borrow? In-Reply-To: (Magnus Therning's message of "Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:41:07 +0100") References: Message-ID: <873aju7n3p.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix> On 18 Sep 2008, Magnus Therning verbalised: > Is there anywhere in Cambridge I can turn to borrow or rent an > ergonomic keyboard before I go off spending my money? I'd be rather interested too: sometime soon, I'll have to survive for a few weeks without my Maltron while it's serviced. The problem is that good ergonomic keyboards are *expensive* (hundreds of quid) and not-good ones don't help at all. (Not for me, anyway.) From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 22:29:45 2008 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:29:45 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. Message-ID: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I'd just like to say it was good to meet all who were there in market square. I was quite surprised by the number of people who were wandering up and taking an interest even during the brief time I was there. Later in the afternoon I went into carphone warehouse, they do have those webbook machines set-up in every store running a full ubuntu OS.... again I was quite surprised. Later still I happened to be in John Lewis and was checking out the computer section as I tend to do. They have the Acer Aspire One for sale for the same price as the carphone warehouse webbooks. It is running Linpus which (apart from being an awful name) is pretty limited in terms of functionality. But they have a large harddisk and run on the intel atom processor rather than the via chip in webboks so I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem installing real linux OS installed. I was so shocked to find so many linux based laptops (netbooks) on sale on the high street. Sorry if this is old news to everyone else but it was an eyeopener for me. Anyway it'd be good to meet up and talk about geeky stuff, when is the next get together likely to be? -- Drew Fitzsimmons From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sat Sep 20 23:04:08 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:04:08 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 09:29:45PM +0100, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > I was so shocked to find so many linux based laptops (netbooks) on > sale on the high street. Sorry if this is old news to everyone else > but it was an eyeopener for me. Yeah it's the EeePC that did it. Before that there wasn't anything else, I don't think. From robert at cantab.net Sat Sep 20 23:35:35 2008 From: robert at cantab.net (Robert Schumann) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:35:35 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> Message-ID: Hi all, Well, SFD 08 came and went in Cambridge, and altogether I think it came and went very successfully. We were out in Market Square from 09h00 to 13h00 on a lovely sunny day (that's two in a row for SFD in Cambridge!). We handed out 50 Open Discs, around 80 Ubuntu CDs, and a sheaf of leaflets produced by Simon (in addition to luring kids over to come get balloons and stickers from us). People were very interested to see the webbooks, partly since they're such compact devices that people are curious to see if they really work... Thanks to Simon, Hazel, Wawrzek and Tom for contributing time and materials. Robert. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080920/497f7aab/attachment-0001.htm From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sat Sep 20 23:53:25 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:53:25 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> Message-ID: <20080920215325.GA4139@weber> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 10:35:35PM +0100, Robert Schumann wrote: > Thanks to Simon, Hazel, Wawrzek and Tom for contributing time and materials. Thanks very much Robert for organizing the event. Simon, Wawrzek and Hazel did most of the rest of the work. I just tagged along for a bit. Tom From hjenkins at uvic.ca Sun Sep 21 12:58:12 2008 From: hjenkins at uvic.ca (hjenkins) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 03:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Software Freedom Day Message-ID: <32850.142.104.193.193.1221994692.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Well, we gave away all 50 OpenDisks in the first two hours. I think that can be counted as a success. After I left with some CDs & leaflets and went to an 11am appointment, I walked up Mill Road with them. The pedestrians were all really rushed, so I tried stores. I hope this is legal. Notes: People walking past on the street are busy going somewhere. Store clerks in dead-quiet shops are bored stiff and really happy to talk to someone at length. Not one was uninterested (I skipped shops with customers). People in new-agey shops are suddenly all for you when you say "gift economy". People in low-profit-margin shops are REALLY interested. Part of an exchange with the owner/manager of an independent food shop, about a Ubuntu CD, ran something like this: "...This is an complete operating system..." "So this is like Windows?" "You can run a computer with it just like Windows...[summary of install]" "So, does this have all the Windows programs?" "No, but it has programs that do the same things. For instance, Open Office..." "And it's free?" "Yes, and you can make as many copies as you like." Thoughtful pause. "Thank you very much. I will try it." One owner in an internet cafe had heard of open-source and was delighted to have a Ubuntu CD. He photocopied my last leaflet and said that he was glad he'd talked to me. I gave away all my materials before 1 and got back to Market Square around 1:30. I really liked doing this. Giving things to people is fun. Is there any sort of student orientation/clubs fair that we could do this at? I'd volunteer to organize it. Things that would be nice for next time: A CLUG card Seperate explanation leaflets geared at private individuals and managers, with addresses for www.theopendisk.com etc.. The leaflet was great, but I got a lot of other questions too. Finally, since there seem to be no objections, I'll post CLUG on the sites that people have mentioned sometime this week. From db at davepress.net Sun Sep 21 13:03:39 2008 From: db at davepress.net (Dave Briggs) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:03:39 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <32850.142.104.193.193.1221994692.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> References: <32850.142.104.193.193.1221994692.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Message-ID: This is great stuff, excellent to hear you had such a positive response. To make up CLUG cards, moo.com might be some good guys to try - they like to support stuff like this so could probably offer a discount. They do stickers etc too, which might be cool. Dave On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 11:58 AM, hjenkins wrote: > Well, we gave away all 50 OpenDisks in the first two hours. I think that > can be counted as a success. > > After I left with some CDs & leaflets and went to an 11am appointment, I > walked up Mill Road with them. The pedestrians were all really rushed, so > I tried stores. I hope this is legal. Notes: > > People walking past on the street are busy going somewhere. Store clerks > in dead-quiet shops are bored stiff and really happy to talk to someone at > length. Not one was uninterested (I skipped shops with customers). > > People in new-agey shops are suddenly all for you when you say "gift > economy". > > People in low-profit-margin shops are REALLY interested. Part of an > exchange with the owner/manager of an independent food shop, about a > Ubuntu CD, ran something like this: > "...This is an complete operating system..." > "So this is like Windows?" > "You can run a computer with it just like Windows...[summary of install]" > "So, does this have all the Windows programs?" > "No, but it has programs that do the same things. For instance, Open > Office..." > "And it's free?" > "Yes, and you can make as many copies as you like." > Thoughtful pause. > "Thank you very much. I will try it." > One owner in an internet cafe had heard of open-source and was delighted > to have a Ubuntu CD. He photocopied my last leaflet and said that he was > glad he'd talked to me. > > I gave away all my materials before 1 and got back to Market Square around > 1:30. > > I really liked doing this. Giving things to people is fun. Is there any > sort of student orientation/clubs fair that we could do this at? I'd > volunteer to organize it. > > Things that would be nice for next time: > A CLUG card > Seperate explanation leaflets geared at private individuals and managers, > with addresses for www.theopendisk.com etc.. The leaflet was great, but I > got a lot of other questions too. > > Finally, since there seem to be no objections, I'll post CLUG on the sites > that people have mentioned sometime this week. > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Dave Briggs db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From db at davepress.net Sun Sep 21 13:14:47 2008 From: db at davepress.net (Dave Briggs) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:14:47 +0100 Subject: website Message-ID: Hi all What's the status of the CLUG website at the moment? Seems the latest news item was back in 2006. I think there's plenty that could be done with it, maybe some more regular newsy bits, aggregating stuff of various websites could happen too. Happy to take this on, if nobody minds? Cheers -- Dave Briggs db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 16:57:55 2008 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:57:55 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I went to the website last night and tried to create a members account. Either I'm being really stupid (this is entirely possible) or something is broken. It didn't seem to want to work at all. When you click register it just clears the form and nothing happens. I was also wondering how many of the people on this list have a blog. Might it be possible to turn part of the website into a "planet" to aggregate content from blogs? It would rely on people's blogs being at least slightly relevant to local events or free software..... Just a thought. Drew On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Dave Briggs wrote: > Hi all > > What's the status of the CLUG website at the moment? Seems the latest > news item was back in 2006. > > I think there's plenty that could be done with it, maybe some more > regular newsy bits, aggregating stuff of various websites could happen > too. > > Happy to take this on, if nobody minds? > > Cheers > > -- > Dave Briggs > db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Drew Fitzsimmons From db at davepress.net Sun Sep 21 17:02:31 2008 From: db at davepress.net (Dave Briggs) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:02:31 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Good ideas Drew. I was thinking along the lines of something very simple, using wordpress probably, with some information about the group on the main pages, then a blog made up of aggregating everyone else's posts, just as you mentioned. It might also be worth having a wiki too, on a subdomain or something, where resources could be pulled together. I could probably throw it together in a couple of hours if people are interested, and am self employed so could find the time to maintain it too (probably :-)) Dave On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > Hi, > I went to the website last night and tried to create a members > account. Either I'm being really stupid (this is entirely possible) or > something is broken. It didn't seem to want to work at all. > > When you click register it just clears the form and nothing happens. > > I was also wondering how many of the people on this list have a blog. > Might it be possible to turn part of the website into a "planet" to > aggregate content from blogs? > > It would rely on people's blogs being at least slightly relevant to > local events or free software..... Just a thought. > > Drew > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Dave Briggs wrote: >> Hi all >> >> What's the status of the CLUG website at the moment? Seems the latest >> news item was back in 2006. >> >> I think there's plenty that could be done with it, maybe some more >> regular newsy bits, aggregating stuff of various websites could happen >> too. >> >> Happy to take this on, if nobody minds? >> >> Cheers >> >> -- >> Dave Briggs >> db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug at cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> > > > > -- > Drew Fitzsimmons > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Dave Briggs db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 17:17:25 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:17:25 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Guys, Please check the archive of the list. This topic comebacks from time to time. Last time we agreed the we would like to have a static website with most important infos and link to wiki. Blogs Planet is also great idea (if someone would made one ;). My last try (let call it Millstone 2) is available here: http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ The source are without licence but do not hesitate to use it. There are few issue which need to be address: Map - someone suggested taking image from OpenStreet which is great I even try to do this, by CB2 is missing from on the OpenStreet. Anyone willing to add it? Language - I grab the text from mailing list and even haven't push it trough spell checker. I'm also think that website look&feel may be improve, but it should be hard to do (if you have skills) as I divided website to many div and other html tags. Regards, Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From db at davepress.net Sun Sep 21 17:23:29 2008 From: db at davepress.net (Dave Briggs) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:23:29 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I did have a check of the archives but it's pretty time consuming tracking down individual topics there! So am I right in assuming that it's a issue regularly raised but about which nothing is ever actually done? I'd be happy throwing something together, then it would just be a case of pointing the URLs in the right direction. Who controls the URLs? As I said, i am perfectly happy to put something together in WordPress and a wiki, I just don't want to start it if people aren't agreed that it should be done, if that makes sense? As well as aggregating member blogs, it would also be nice to aggregate stuff like delicious bookmarks, photos, video etc, if we agree on a group tag - maybe camlug or something? Dave On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Please check the archive of the list. This topic comebacks from time to time. > > Last time we agreed the we would like to have a static website with > most important infos and link to wiki. Blogs Planet is also great > idea (if someone would made one ;). > > My last try (let call it Millstone 2) is available here: > > http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ > > The source are without licence but do not hesitate to use it. > > There are few issue which need to be address: > > Map - someone suggested taking image from OpenStreet which is great I > even try to do this, by CB2 is missing from on the OpenStreet. Anyone > willing to add it? > Language - I grab the text from mailing list and even haven't push it > trough spell checker. > > I'm also think that website look&feel may be improve, but it should > be hard to do (if you have skills) as I divided website to many div > and other html tags. > > Regards, > Wawrzek > -- > Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN > Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com > PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name > MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Dave Briggs db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From will.pink at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 17:27:44 2008 From: will.pink at gmail.com (william pink) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:27:44 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Sounds ideal, I definitely feel a CMS would be the most beneficial and perhaps a great deal easier to add content with a broader range of functionality. W On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Dave Briggs wrote: > I did have a check of the archives but it's pretty time consuming > tracking down individual topics there! > > So am I right in assuming that it's a issue regularly raised but about > which nothing is ever actually done? I'd be happy throwing something > together, then it would just be a case of pointing the URLs in the > right direction. Who controls the URLs? > > As I said, i am perfectly happy to put something together in WordPress > and a wiki, I just don't want to start it if people aren't agreed that > it should be done, if that makes sense? > > As well as aggregating member blogs, it would also be nice to > aggregate stuff like delicious bookmarks, photos, video etc, if we > agree on a group tag - maybe camlug or something? > > Dave > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski > wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > > > Please check the archive of the list. This topic comebacks from time to > time. > > > > Last time we agreed the we would like to have a static website with > > most important infos and link to wiki. Blogs Planet is also great > > idea (if someone would made one ;). > > > > My last try (let call it Millstone 2) is available here: > > > > http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ > > > > The source are without licence but do not hesitate to use it. > > > > There are few issue which need to be address: > > > > Map - someone suggested taking image from OpenStreet which is great I > > even try to do this, by CB2 is missing from on the OpenStreet. Anyone > > willing to add it? > > Language - I grab the text from mailing list and even haven't push it > > trough spell checker. > > > > I'm also think that website look&feel may be improve, but it should > > be hard to do (if you have skills) as I divided website to many div > > and other html tags. > > > > Regards, > > Wawrzek > > -- > > Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN > > Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com > > PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name > > MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl > > _______________________________________________ > > CLUG mailing list > > clug at cambridge-lug.org > > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > > > > > -- > Dave Briggs > db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080921/2986f6cf/attachment-0001.htm From db at davepress.net Sun Sep 21 21:18:44 2008 From: db at davepress.net (Dave Briggs) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:18:44 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've made a start: http://davedev.org/clug/ - using WordPress and hacking a pre-existing theme. For some reason when doing the logo I called it CamLUG rather than clug - will change tomorrow. If anyone has any photos, maybe of CLUG events that could be used on the home page, do chuck them my way. At the moment the blog bit of the site is set up as 'latest news' which could report on the latest meetings, events, etc - so could act as a group blog. The other option is to use something like FeedWordPress to aggregate other people's blogs into it. If we don't choose to do the latter then I was going to build some sort of planet arrangement elsewhere on the site, linked to from the homepage. There is also a wiki, linked to from the homepage. I've just used PMwiki which doesn't require a login, just a password. We could use this to house various resources, member biogs etc. Do let me know what you all think. Is this heading the right way, in your view? Dave On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:27 PM, william pink wrote: > Sounds ideal, I definitely feel a CMS would be the most beneficial and > perhaps a great deal easier to add content with a broader range of > functionality. > > W > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Dave Briggs wrote: >> >> I did have a check of the archives but it's pretty time consuming >> tracking down individual topics there! >> >> So am I right in assuming that it's a issue regularly raised but about >> which nothing is ever actually done? I'd be happy throwing something >> together, then it would just be a case of pointing the URLs in the >> right direction. Who controls the URLs? >> >> As I said, i am perfectly happy to put something together in WordPress >> and a wiki, I just don't want to start it if people aren't agreed that >> it should be done, if that makes sense? >> >> As well as aggregating member blogs, it would also be nice to >> aggregate stuff like delicious bookmarks, photos, video etc, if we >> agree on a group tag - maybe camlug or something? >> >> Dave >> >> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski >> wrote: >> > Hi Guys, >> > >> > Please check the archive of the list. This topic comebacks from time to >> > time. >> > >> > Last time we agreed the we would like to have a static website with >> > most important infos and link to wiki. Blogs Planet is also great >> > idea (if someone would made one ;). >> > >> > My last try (let call it Millstone 2) is available here: >> > >> > http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ >> > >> > The source are without licence but do not hesitate to use it. >> > >> > There are few issue which need to be address: >> > >> > Map - someone suggested taking image from OpenStreet which is great I >> > even try to do this, by CB2 is missing from on the OpenStreet. Anyone >> > willing to add it? >> > Language - I grab the text from mailing list and even haven't push it >> > trough spell checker. >> > >> > I'm also think that website look&feel may be improve, but it should >> > be hard to do (if you have skills) as I divided website to many div >> > and other html tags. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Wawrzek >> > -- >> > Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN >> > Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com >> > PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name >> > MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl >> > _______________________________________________ >> > CLUG mailing list >> > clug at cambridge-lug.org >> > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Dave Briggs >> db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug at cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> > > -- Dave Briggs db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sun Sep 21 21:26:19 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:26:19 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080921192619.GA15691@weber> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 08:18:44PM +0100, Dave Briggs wrote: > Do let me know what you all think. Is this heading the right way, in your view? I think we need a static front page with links to a Wiki. Then those with the time and desire can add whatever content they like. Your design and photos look nice. Tom From db at davepress.net Sun Sep 21 21:32:31 2008 From: db at davepress.net (Dave Briggs) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:32:31 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <20080921192619.GA15691@weber> References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> <20080921192619.GA15691@weber> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Tom Ellis wrote: > I think we need a static front page with links to a Wiki. Then those with > the time and desire can add whatever content they like. I think that is more or less what we have, only that the 'static page' is in WordPress and so is easily updated. > Your design and photos look nice. Well, not really my design (am basing it on another theme) but thanks! -- Dave Briggs db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 23:37:25 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:37:25 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Dave Briggs wrote: > I've made a start: http://davedev.org/clug/ - using WordPress and > hacking a pre-existing theme. > I'm glad that you take care about webpage. Looks fine for me. Suggestion - add "Mailing list" link on the top toolbar. - maybe change colours a bit - add somewhere link to CamLUG group on LinkedIN (http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=157695) > For some reason when doing the logo I called it CamLUG rather than > clug - will change tomorrow. [...] I prefer CamLUG. - LUG may be everywhere, Cam-LUG only next to Cam river. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From bnicolson at ippimail.com Mon Sep 22 09:52:11 2008 From: bnicolson at ippimail.com (bnicolson at ippimail.com) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:52:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39090.82.16.102.233.1222069931.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> Others on here will have a better understanding of the technicalites but just to look at it's a big improvement on the current site. It's not as 'busy' and it won't date.? Bev. -- Email and shopping with the feelgood factor! 55% of income to good causes. http://www.ippimail.com From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Mon Sep 22 10:27:09 2008 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:27:09 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com><20080920210408.GA2996@weber> Message-ID: I just wanted to add my thanks to Robert for organising this. We were generally very well received once people realised we weren't trying to sell stuff to them. We even had one guy who took the CDs and then came back 5mins later and tried to give us money for them! More and more people seem to be aware of free software and linux and hopefully the proliferation of netbooks will raise its profile even more. Suggestions for next year: 1) Helium balloons! 2) Some cards advertising the CLUG 3) A big sign saying what we're doing which people can read from a distance so they're not afraid to come closer (we saw lots of people crossing the road to get away from us). Simon. PS Robert - any chance you can email me a copy of the photo(s) you took? They'd probably be a good addition to the new website which seems to be emerging as well. > From: Robert Schumann > Sent: 20 September 2008 22:36 > To: clug at cambridge-lug.org > Subject: Re: Software Freedom Day and laptops. > > > Hi all, > > Well, SFD 08 came and went in Cambridge, and altogether I > think it came and went very successfully. We were out in > Market Square from 09h00 to 13h00 on a lovely sunny day > (that's two in a row for SFD in Cambridge!). > > We handed out 50 Open Discs, around 80 Ubuntu CDs, and a > sheaf of leaflets produced by Simon (in addition to luring > kids over to come get balloons and stickers from us). People > were very interested to see the webbooks, partly since they're > such compact devices that people are curious to see if they > really work... > > Thanks to Simon, Hazel, Wawrzek and Tom for contributing time > and materials. > > Robert. > From wawrzek at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 10:42:47 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:42:47 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 9:27 AM, simon andrews (BI) wrote: > PS Robert - any chance you can email me a copy of the photo(s) you took? > They'd probably be a good addition to the new website which seems to be > emerging as well. And a copy of the Free Software leaflet you made. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From marcus at quintic.co.uk Mon Sep 22 11:03:52 2008 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:03:52 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222073616-sup-1816@stampy> On 21.9.2008, Dave Briggs wrote: > I've made a start: http://davedev.org/clug/ - using WordPress and > hacking a pre-existing theme. I like this as a start - I ended up being buried at work so never managed to get off my a**e to put wordpress together like I said I would :( It would be nicer if we could get the wiki to look more like the wordpress theme you're using, but thats just aesthetics. The frontpage is good. Like we have discussed on here a few times it only needs to say about the meetings and the mailing list. Personally I think you could drop the Latest News if its going to be a feed to some tech news. I wouldnt go to the camlug site to get my fix, I'd be looking for more specific stuff. Marcus From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Mon Sep 22 11:22:20 2008 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:22:20 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450809220222i3718711ftd937d203dc888b9e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/22 simon andrews (BI) > Suggestions for next year: > > 1) Helium balloons! > > 2) Some cards advertising the CLUG > > 3) A big sign saying what we're doing which people can read from a > distance so they're not afraid to come closer (we saw lots of people > crossing the road to get away from us). > I wasn't able to come, but I've been following the thread on the list. I think the 3G dongles were an excellent idea, so I'd add: 4) Some means of giving internet connectivity to any netbooks, laptops, etc that people have brought along. Congrats to all you folks who set up and ran the stall! Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080922/5676c25c/attachment-0002.htm From mark_w at techie.com Mon Sep 22 12:23:26 2008 From: mark_w at techie.com (Mark Wyatt) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:23:26 +0000 Subject: website Message-ID: <20080922102326.798131BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:18:44 +0100 > From: "Dave Briggs" > Subject: Re: website > To: "william pink" > Cc: clug at cambridge-lug.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I've made a start: http://davedev.org/clug/ - using WordPress and > hacking a pre-existing theme. > > For some reason when doing the logo I called it CamLUG rather than > clug - will change tomorrow. If anyone has any photos, maybe of CLUG > events that could be used on the home page, do chuck them my way. > > At the moment the blog bit of the site is set up as 'latest news' > which could report on the latest meetings, events, etc - so could act > as a group blog. The other option is to use something like > FeedWordPress to aggregate other people's blogs into it. > I'd drop 'latest news'; historically, we have been poor at keeping latest news filled with anything that resembles 'news' in the commonly used meaning and news from years ago just makes this look like an abandoned website. (Unless maybe anyone fancies doing some kind of 'mashup'/agregation from existing news sources. I think we'd cope with that. I suspect though that for most that would duplicate stuff they have already as RSS feeds) My preference would be to use the space for static links to useful foss sites (tldp seems like the most obvious, but any sites where there are good tutorials and howtos would seem better than having rtfm questions posted to the list and I'd add distrowatch for a site that has actual news). > If we don't choose to do the latter then I was going to build some > sort of planet arrangement elsewhere on the site, linked to from the > homepage. > > There is also a wiki, linked to from the homepage. I've just used > PMwiki which doesn't require a login, just a password. We could use > this to house various resources, member biogs etc. > > Do let me know what you all think. Is this heading the right way, > in your view? > > Dave This is absolutely heading in the right direction, imho. And an rss news feed? Would that have the same problem that the site news has always had (bad, or at least, not really an advantage) or be a replacement for / enhancement to the 'daily digest' form of the clug mailinglist (good)? An exact postcode for CB2 would be a good addition for anyone who intends to find the place via sat nav. CB1 2LD acording to http://www.cb2bistro.com/ and you might have expected, from the name, that to be a CB2 postcode.... "in the center of Cambridge city every Sunday at 1pm"; its not every Sunday, anymore and the Cafe isn't really in the cntre of Cambridge City: I know this a lift from the existing website, but the fact that the existing site isn't ideal is where we came in. In addition this link to the CB2 website is broken. While, practically, the group has always primarily been a Linux group, although nominally a FOSS group, is the prominence of tux without qualifying comments, a bit much? You could add a BSD Daemon, but wouldn't that just lead to a gradual proliferation of FOSS logos (Apache, Debian, KDE, Gnome,....)? Perhaps it would be better away from the front page where there would be space for an explanation of the wide world of FOSS. I'm not sure, what do others think? -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Mon Sep 22 12:41:58 2008 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:41:58 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: <4126b3450809220222i3718711ftd937d203dc888b9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> <4126b3450809220222i3718711ftd937d203dc888b9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > From: sampablokuper at googlemail.com > > 4) Some means of giving internet connectivity > to any netbooks, laptops, etc that people have brought along. > > Congrats to all you folks who set up and ran the stall! Actually I'm not sure that would have made much difference. Laptop displays still suck for use outside, and pretty much everyone who came to the stall only stayed for a minute or so. I'd think that having a more functional CLUG website with links to places to find out more information about linux/free software will be more useful than trying to get people to look at stuff whilst you're there. I'm not suggesting noone should bring a 3G dongle, just that it may not make much difference to getting people interested. Simon. From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Mon Sep 22 13:02:30 2008 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:02:30 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> <4126b3450809220222i3718711ftd937d203dc888b9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450809220402h6e774f64o640be0e94167a47b@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/22 simon andrews (BI) > Laptop > displays still suck for use outside, and pretty much everyone who came > to the stall only stayed for a minute or so. If we could get hold of some XOs, that would solve the first problem. If we let people's kids play with them, that might solve the second problem. Does anyone on the list have an XO-1? I'd think that having a more functional CLUG website with links to > places to find out more information about linux/free software will be > more useful than trying to get people to look at stuff whilst you're > there. A plurality of approaches might be best. I'm not sure that showing stall visitors the CLUG web site would be terribly effective, but one nice thing about having web access is that if people want to check their Hotmail or whatever while they're at the stall, they can do so, and would be able to see that open OSes make this just as practical as closed ones do. Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080922/6c31e892/attachment-0002.htm From db at davepress.net Mon Sep 22 13:04:48 2008 From: db at davepress.net (Dave Briggs) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:04:48 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: <4126b3450809220402h6e774f64o640be0e94167a47b@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> <4126b3450809220222i3718711ftd937d203dc888b9e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450809220402h6e774f64o640be0e94167a47b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Sam Kuper wrote: > A plurality of approaches might be best. I'm not sure that showing stall > visitors the CLUG web site would be terribly effective, The advantage of having the website would be so that people could take a card with the URL on it home and read about stuff at their leisure, I guess. -- Dave Briggs db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Mon Sep 22 13:10:17 2008 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:10:17 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> <4126b3450809220222i3718711ftd937d203dc888b9e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450809220402h6e774f64o640be0e94167a47b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450809220410t3db2d5e0re6f8194f0ecca7e8@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/22 Dave Briggs > The advantage of having the website would be so that people could take > a card with the URL on it home and read about stuff at their leisure, > I guess. > Very much so - and so that others could discover the group online. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080922/99e1d7af/attachment-0002.htm From hjenkins at uvic.ca Mon Sep 22 13:56:02 2008 From: hjenkins at uvic.ca (Hazel L. H. Jenkins) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 05:56:02 -0600 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809220556.02594.hjenkins@uvic.ca> > Suggestions for next year: > > 1) Helium balloons! Not as keen on this; limited resource, at least until ITER and DEMO get their act together and we get commercial fusion power :-). I guess they're fun. Maybe something a little longer-lived? It would be nice to give something to the younger lot; we seemed to be giving software exclusively to adults. Market Square may not be the best place to find school-age people, though. > 3) A big sign saying what we're doing which people can read from a > distance so they're not afraid to come closer (we saw lots of people > crossing the road to get away from us). How about a screen and a projector, hooked to one of the laptops? Power might be a problem, but the film fest people manage it. Maybe we could borrow something? From magnus at therning.org Mon Sep 22 14:23:55 2008 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:23:55 +0100 Subject: Interesting post Message-ID: http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/09/22/things-you-can-do-for-your-lug/ /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Mon Sep 22 14:24:36 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:24:36 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <20080922102326.798131BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080922102326.798131BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20080922122436.GA3960@weber> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:23:26AM +0000, Mark Wyatt wrote: > I'd drop 'latest news'; historically, we have been poor at keeping latest > news filled with anything that resembles 'news' in the commonly used > meaning and news from years ago just makes this look like an abandoned > website. I don't think there should be anything on the front page that ever requires updating. Just have links to appropriate sections of the wiki and people can update it as they see fit. Tom From wawrzek at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 14:46:38 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:46:38 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: [...] I was so shocked to find so many linux based laptops (netbooks) on > sale on the high street. Sorry if this is old news to everyone else > but it was an eyeopener for me. > I guess that Asus in Toys R Us is the cheapest one at the moment: http://www.toysrus.co.uk/Category.aspx/TruHome/TruComputers/TruComputersLaptop?ref=TruHome%2fTruComputers However in theory the chepest should be this one: http://www.elonexone.co.uk/ Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk Mon Sep 22 17:29:53 2008 From: paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:29:53 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D7B9F1.7050105@mansfield.co.uk> Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > I guess that Asus in Toys R Us is the cheapest one at the moment: > > http://www.toysrus.co.uk/Category.aspx/TruHome/TruComputers/TruComputersLaptop?ref=TruHome%2fTruComputers expansys have been selling off a variety of eee's. pcworld have various eee's, the acer and the MSI, so you can get your hands on them to see how good they are. From wawrzek at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 01:51:48 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:51:48 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <20080922122436.GA3960@weber> References: <20080922102326.798131BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> <20080922122436.GA3960@weber> Message-ID: Hi, One more thing. May I suggest to have at least two people with admin privileges (and some WordPress experience). Roman have good idea with having two consuls. Regards, Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From db at davepress.net Tue Sep 23 10:52:45 2008 From: db at davepress.net (Dave Briggs) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:52:45 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <20080922102326.798131BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> <20080922122436.GA3960@weber> Message-ID: Great suggestions, everyone. Will put some more work into finishing the site off. If anyone wants to volunteer to be an admin on the site, just yell. Dave On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi, > > One more thing. May I suggest to have at least two people with admin > privileges (and some WordPress experience). Roman have good idea with > having two consuls. > > Regards, > Wawrzek > -- > Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN > Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com > PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name > MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Dave Briggs db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk Tue Sep 23 15:02:15 2008 From: paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:02:15 +0100 Subject: list admin - problem with autoconfirm link Message-ID: <48D8E8D7.8080003@mansfield.co.uk> list admin, please fix the system, when I click the long link below it STILL says Bad confirmation string Invalid confirmation string: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Note that confirmation strings expire approximately 3 days after the initial subscription request. 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To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at http://lists.infowares.com/cgi-bin/confirm/clug/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From bnicolson at ippimail.com Tue Sep 23 18:18:20 2008 From: bnicolson at ippimail.com (bnicolson at ippimail.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:18:20 +0100 (BST) Subject: Open Source gets into schools Message-ID: <55328.82.16.102.233.1222186700.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> I thought people might find this encouraging. :?) http://tinyurl.com/48jduv Bev. -- Email and shopping with the feelgood factor! 55% of income to good causes. http://www.ippimail.com From magnus at therning.org Wed Sep 24 00:08:24 2008 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:08:24 +0100 Subject: Open Source gets into schools In-Reply-To: <55328.82.16.102.233.1222186700.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> References: <55328.82.16.102.233.1222186700.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:18 PM, wrote: > > I thought people might find this encouraging. > :?) > http://tinyurl.com/48jduv About time that happens I'd say. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From marcus at quintic.co.uk Wed Sep 24 10:43:26 2008 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:43:26 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <20080922102326.798131BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> <20080922122436.GA3960@weber> Message-ID: <1222245348-sup-3127@stampy> On 23.9.2008, Dave Briggs wrote: > Great suggestions, everyone. Will put some more work into finishing > the site off. If anyone wants to volunteer to be an admin on the site, > just yell. Another one - the theme you're basing the site on is a premium/paid for wordpress theme, does that mean you own a copy of it (which the license then allows you to use elsewhere) or have permission to use it? Marcus From magnus at therning.org Wed Sep 24 11:47:08 2008 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:47:08 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Dave Briggs wrote: > I've made a start: http://davedev.org/clug/ - using WordPress and > hacking a pre-existing theme. > [..] > If we don't choose to do the latter then I was going to build some > sort of planet arrangement elsewhere on the site, linked to from the > homepage. > > There is also a wiki, linked to from the homepage. I've just used > PMwiki which doesn't require a login, just a password. We could use > this to house various resources, member biogs etc. > > Do let me know what you all think. Is this heading the right way, in your view? It's a vast improvment on what we have ATM. Please bring CamLUG into the naughties :-) I think much of this has been said earlier in the thread, but here are my comments: 1. Drop the news. We've been bad at posting CamLUG specific things, and even worse at posting general Linux-related news. 2. The idea of a planet is interesting, how many people run blogs and would be interested in it? 3. I like the wiki. Could we get OpenID on it? 4. One thing that I did like with the old site, but which wasn't widely used, was the "attendance application" where I could let others know I intend to go to the next CamLUG meeting. Any thoughts on what we could have instead? (A wiki page per date would be the easiest, and perfectly acceptable.) /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From wawrzek at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 12:01:31 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:01:31 +0100 Subject: Blogs Message-ID: Hi, Please reply to this thread if you interested in adding your blog to the planet. http://larryn.blogspot.com - Wawrzek Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Wed Sep 24 12:33:51 2008 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:33:51 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <4126b3450809240333g5d89a60ah8ccfb8ac577b92da@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450809240333g5d89a60ah8ccfb8ac577b92da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450809240333k5c5fe63bu643d6c29f7f7cea6@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/24 Magnus Therning > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Dave Briggs wrote:> > There is also a wiki, linked to from the homepage. I've just used > > PMwiki which doesn't require a login, just a password. We could use > > this to house various resources, member biogs etc. > I haven't used PMwiki previously. Spambots are always a concern on wikis. The way you've set it up actually looks like it will be fairly hard for spambots to spam; have you used this sort of set-up (password easily visible, but inline with other text and therefore hard for bots to parse out) before, and does it reliably keep spambots out? If not, can other countermeasures (ReCAPTCHA, etc.) be easily deployed to PMwiki? If not, how would you feel about using MediaWiki or suchlike instead? > 2. The idea of a planet is interesting, how many people run blogs and > would be interested in it? I use del.icio.us for bookmarking. When I bookmark something related to Linux, I'm happy to tag it "clug". > 3. I like the wiki. Could we get OpenID on it? Ditto. > 4. One thing that I did like with the old site, but which wasn't > widely used, was the "attendance application" where I could let others > know I intend to go to the next CamLUG meeting. Any thoughts on what > we could have instead? I expect WordPress has "event calendar" plug-ins for this sort of thing? Joomla certainly has them, and Joomla plug-ins get ported to WordPress... All best, Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cambridge Refresh, http://www.refreshcambridge.org simply uses http://upcoming.org for this (though right now next month's event hasn't yet been put up there by Matthew). Jonathan -- From magnus at therning.org Wed Sep 24 14:30:03 2008 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:30:03 +0100 Subject: Blogs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi, > > Please reply to this thread if you interested in adding your blog to the planet. > > http://larryn.blogspot.com - Wawrzek http://therning.org/magnus /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From wawrzek at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 14:52:08 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:52:08 +0100 Subject: Many-Core Computing Workshop Message-ID: I've just found this info. Might be interesting for some of you: http://www.escience.cam.ac.uk/many-core.html Regards, Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From alastair at altrux.me.uk Wed Sep 24 19:13:37 2008 From: alastair at altrux.me.uk (Alastair Stevens) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:13:37 +0100 Subject: Blogs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4536e91b0809241013x48389854l228ccf23ebd35d95@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Please reply to this thread if you interested in adding your blog to the > planet. > > > > http://larryn.blogspot.com - Wawrzek > http://www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080924/972a2046/attachment-0002.htm From kzar at kzar.co.uk Wed Sep 24 23:11:56 2008 From: kzar at kzar.co.uk (David Barker) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:11:56 +0100 (BST) Subject: Blogs In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0809241013x48389854l228ccf23ebd35d95@mail.gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0809241013x48389854l228ccf23ebd35d95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <52412.192.9.200.97.1222290716.squirrel@starbug> http://kzar.co.uk/blog - Dave. > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza??ski > >> wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > Please reply to this thread if you interested in adding your blog to >> the >> planet. >> > >> > http://larryn.blogspot.com - Wawrzek >> > > > http://www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html > > -- > ======================================== > ALASTAIR STEVENS > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From db at davepress.net Wed Sep 24 23:23:36 2008 From: db at davepress.net (Dave Briggs) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:23:36 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <1BA35008-CBED-4AF8-9BCD-9D6C8A620B8B@ytko.com> References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450809240333g5d89a60ah8ccfb8ac577b92da@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450809240333k5c5fe63bu643d6c29f7f7cea6@mail.gmail.com> <1BA35008-CBED-4AF8-9BCD-9D6C8A620B8B@ytko.com> Message-ID: Few queries on the site and stuff, will try and answer them all... 1. The theme - yes, it's a premium one, but I have purchased a developers use-it-as-many-times-as-you-like licence 2. PMwiki - the inline password works well on other wikis I have managed in the past. I sometimes think MediaWiki is a bit overblown for our basic needs, and also it generally means another username and password, etc. If spam ever does become a problem, the password could be changed on a regular basis, maybe. 3. Events list - will look into it. Embedding UpComing is one way, but requires everyone to have an account there. One way round it might be just to have a page on the wiki for each meeting where people can put their names down if they are planning on attending. 4. I think tagging stuff in delicious, flickr etc could work really well. Maybe the feed from that could fill in the blank space on the homepage. 5. People have been emailing their blog URLs for a Planet. Shall I build this too? No problem if so, but if anyone else wants to... Cheers Dave -- Dave Briggs db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 00:08:37 2008 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:08:37 +0100 Subject: Blogs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <126d63860809241508u39348117k244cbd728928bcf9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi, > > Please reply to this thread if you interested in adding your blog to the planet. > > http://larryn.blogspot.com - Wawrzek > > Wawrzek http://passthejager.org/blog/ -- Drew Fitzsimmons From clug at gasops.co.uk Thu Sep 25 15:27:39 2008 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:27:39 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim Message-ID: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> I can use -a "From: foo at bar" as an option to /usr/bin/mail but the return-path (envelope sender) on outbound emails is of the form user at mailname. For some reason a system I mail ignores the From address and wants to reply to the return-path address despite there being no Sender header present and the From being valid and deliverable. What solutions are there? From tehpeh at gmx.net Thu Sep 25 15:36:09 2008 From: tehpeh at gmx.net (Thomas Pircher) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:36:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: Longman wrote: > For some reason a system I mail ignores the From address > and wants to reply to the return-path address despite there being no > Sender header present and the From being valid and deliverable. This is IMHO the correct behaviour. You can write whatever you like in the From: field, but it is harder to lie in the envelope-from, if you are not the postmaster. > What solutions are there? You can override the address on a per-user basis in /etc/email-addresses. At the moment I don't have access to an exim installation, but I think the syntax is the same as in /etc/aliases: user: email at example.com I'm sure you can address-rewrite the envelope-from to your hearts delight, but I'm not very experienced in this and can't thus help. Thomas From marcus at quintic.co.uk Thu Sep 25 15:36:59 2008 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:36:59 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <1222349651-sup-5046@stampy> On 25.9.2008, Longman wrote: > I can use -a "From: foo at bar" as an option to /usr/bin/mail but the > return-path (envelope sender) on outbound emails is of the form > user at mailname. For some reason a system I mail ignores the From address > and wants to reply to the return-path address despite there being no > Sender header present and the From being valid and deliverable. > > What solutions are there? I think mail supports passing on args to sendmail using: mail -s "subject" recipient at domain -a "From: myname at domain" -- -f returnpath at domain Not sure if it will work in your case. Marcus From clug at gasops.co.uk Thu Sep 25 15:45:21 2008 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:45:21 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <1222349651-sup-5046@stampy> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <1222349651-sup-5046@stampy> Message-ID: <48DB95F1.6000203@gasops.co.uk> * Marcus Williams wrote: > I think mail supports passing on args to sendmail using: I know sendmail has the -f option but this reads from a file on an exim based system. :-S From clug at gasops.co.uk Thu Sep 25 15:47:54 2008 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:47:54 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <48DB968A.5090000@gasops.co.uk> * Thomas Pircher wrote: > Longman wrote: >> For some reason a system I mail ignores the From address >> and wants to reply to the return-path address despite there being no >> Sender header present and the From being valid and deliverable. > > This is IMHO the correct behaviour. You can write whatever you like in the > From: field, but it is harder to lie in the envelope-from, if you are not > the postmaster. Is it correct behaviour for a system to say it was received from the address cited in the return-path as opposed to the one in the From? >> What solutions are there? > > You can override the address on a per-user basis in /etc/email-addresses. > At the moment I don't have access to an exim installation, but I think the > syntax is the same as in /etc/aliases: > user: email at example.com I shall look into this email-addresses thingamajig. Thanks :) From tehpeh at gmx.net Thu Sep 25 16:07:11 2008 From: tehpeh at gmx.net (Thomas Pircher) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:07:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <48DB968A.5090000@gasops.co.uk> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <48DB968A.5090000@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <592db13f0b4d1437277d77845bc6e03b.squirrel@www.tty1.net> Longman wrote: > Is it correct behaviour for a system to say it was received from the > address cited in the return-path as opposed to the one in the From? As I understand it, the return-path is only used by MTAs to send error notifications. For example your MTA receives a mail from the clug mailing list with in the From: field. If your MTA is not able to deliver the mail to you for some reason, I don't want to be notified for this, but clug's Mailman might. In this case it makes sense to have From: and return-path different. Or do you mean if the return path can show up in the mail user agent? I think the return path generally thrown away as soon as the mail is successfully delivered. Thomas From tehpeh at gmx.net Thu Sep 25 16:11:35 2008 From: tehpeh at gmx.net (Thomas Pircher) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:11:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <592db13f0b4d1437277d77845bc6e03b.squirrel@www.tty1.net> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <48DB968A.5090000@gasops.co.uk> <592db13f0b4d1437277d77845bc6e03b.squirrel@www.tty1.net> Message-ID: Longman wrote: > For some reason a system I mail ignores the From address > and wants to reply to the return-path address despite there being no > Sender header present and the From being valid and deliverable. Ups, I think I have misunderstood you. Do you mean the user on the other side presses the "reply" button and his mail program takes the return-path instead of the From: address? Maybe the solution is as simple as setting the Reply-To: header? Thomas From marcus at quintic.co.uk Fri Sep 26 10:26:44 2008 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:26:44 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <48DB95F1.6000203@gasops.co.uk> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <1222349651-sup-5046@stampy> <48DB95F1.6000203@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <1222417302-sup-7290@stampy> On 25.9.2008, Longman wrote: > > I think mail supports passing on args to sendmail using: > > I know sendmail has the -f option but this reads from a file on an exim > based system. :-S Not according to my exim manpage :) Note the double dash in the command line, this makes the -f argument get passed through to sendmail (or equivalent). Without it you're passing -f to mail which does indeed read a fil?... Marcus From clug at gasops.co.uk Fri Sep 26 11:21:16 2008 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:21:16 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <1222417302-sup-7290@stampy> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <1222349651-sup-5046@stampy> <48DB95F1.6000203@gasops.co.uk> <1222417302-sup-7290@stampy> Message-ID: <48DCA98C.3080406@gasops.co.uk> * Marcus Williams wrote: > On 25.9.2008, Longman wrote: >>> I think mail supports passing on args to sendmail using: >> I know sendmail has the -f option but this reads from a file on an exim >> based system. :-S > > Not according to my exim manpage :) Note the double dash in the > command line, this makes the -f argument get passed through to sendmail > (or equivalent). Without it you're passing -f to mail which does > indeed read a fil?... Well I apologise kind sir! :-) I shall go re-read the man page and have a play (though I've got it working now so it's purely for academic purposes) From clug at gasops.co.uk Fri Sep 26 11:38:53 2008 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:38:53 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <48DB968A.5090000@gasops.co.uk> <592db13f0b4d1437277d77845bc6e03b.squirrel@www.tty1.net> Message-ID: <48DCADAD.7010200@gasops.co.uk> * Thomas Pircher wrote: > Ups, I think I have misunderstood you. Do you mean the user on the other > side presses the "reply" button and his mail program takes the return-path > instead of the From: address? Yes. Well it doesn't actually reply per se. I'll explain. The email address that I send to generates a text message (it's T-Mobile's email to SMS gateway) and in the generated SMS they put the email address and the contents of the email body in ASCII. I use it to give my N95 bespoke push-email-esque behaviour ;-). When I receive an email it goes through a procmail rule that generates a timestamp and sends this as the body text of an email to the gateway which then ends up on my phone as an SMS. I then know I have to check my email server at some point since there is email there. For some reason in the SMS that T-Mobile generate gateway service uses the return-path from the email they receive rather than the From address to say who the email is from. So it's a reply, but not an email reply and their system is picking up the return-path despite me setting a valid From. Your suggestion of modifying /etc/mail-addresses has allowed me to get the correct return-path set on outbound emails and it now works. A Reply-To header may work (I might just try it to see anyway) but since the email is converted and forwarded to SMS rather than replied to with email semantics I'm not sure their system would take note of this header? From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Sep 26 14:00:41 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:00:41 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <20080926120041.GA4696@weber> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 02:27:39PM +0100, Longman wrote: > What solutions are there? The ideal solution would perhaps to be to use an MTA that was designed for small scale use, always relaying to a smarthost. Exim was designed to run the Cambridge University mail system, after all! I don't know if any good programs fitting that description exist though. Anyone? Tom From marcus at quintic.co.uk Fri Sep 26 15:35:58 2008 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:35:58 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <20080926120041.GA4696@weber> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <20080926120041.GA4696@weber> Message-ID: <1222436011-sup-7389@stampy> On 26.9.2008, Tom Ellis Huckstep wrote: > The ideal solution would perhaps to be to use an MTA that was designed for > small scale use, always relaying to a smarthost. Exim was designed to run > the Cambridge University mail system, after all! I don't know if any good > programs fitting that description exist though. Anyone? esmtp works pretty well for me - simple config file to specify where to poke stuff on a smarthost. I've used it in places where I've had autogenerated emails (from cron jobs etc) that need sending but no local mail is required. Marcus From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Sep 26 18:48:34 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:48:34 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <1222436011-sup-7389@stampy> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <20080926120041.GA4696@weber> <1222436011-sup-7389@stampy> Message-ID: <20080926164834.GB2992@weber> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 02:35:58PM +0100, Marcus Williams wrote: > On 26.9.2008, Tom Ellis Huckstep wrote: > > The ideal solution would perhaps to be to use an MTA that was designed for > > small scale use, always relaying to a smarthost. Exim was designed to run > > the Cambridge University mail system, after all! I don't know if any good > > programs fitting that description exist though. Anyone? > > esmtp works pretty well for me - simple config file to specify where > to poke stuff on a smarthost. I've used it in places where I've had > autogenerated emails (from cron jobs etc) that need sending but no > local mail is required. Cheers Marcus. The problem is, when I said "all mail" I meant "all mail that isn't to be delivered locally". But maybe esmtp can deal with that. I'll check it out. From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 23:15:54 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (Wawrzyniec =?unknown-8bit?Q?Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:15:54 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <20080926164834.GB2992@weber> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <20080926120041.GA4696@weber> <1222436011-sup-7389@stampy> <20080926164834.GB2992@weber> Message-ID: <20080926211553.GA13659@gmail.com> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 05:48:34PM +0100, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 02:35:58PM +0100, Marcus Williams wrote: [...] > > esmtp works pretty well for me - simple config file to specify where > > to poke stuff on a smarthost. I've used it in places where I've had > > autogenerated emails (from cron jobs etc) that need sending but no > > local mail is required. > > Cheers Marcus. The problem is, when I said "all mail" I meant "all mail > that isn't to be delivered locally". But maybe esmtp can deal with that. > I'll check it out. At the moment I'm using mutt + msmtp. It sends this email from my local machine via server on my (old) university, even if this message's from field is wawrzek at gmail.com Is it something want you want? -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From dom at latter.org Thu Sep 4 11:34:21 2008 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:34:21 +0200 Subject: Ubuntu video driver issue In-Reply-To: References: <200808172259.01533.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <200809041134.22220.dom@latter.org> On Sunday 17 August 2008 23:54:41 Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Dom Latter wrote: > > Hi, > > > Got me a new wide-screen 1680x1050 display hooked up to my > > dismal old laptop. To get it to run at full res I had to install a > > new driver thus: > > > > sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel > > > > Unfortunately when I try to run the laptop on its own, the > > display is blank (when running X; boot screen, consoles etc > > are all fine). > > Does it mean that display is blank or that X server gives you a black > display? I mean X server gives a black screen (when the laptop is on its own). > I was able to get the laptop on the net and run: > > sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-i810 > > > > from a console to restore the status quo, and now it's back > > home again I've reverted to the "intel" driver to enjoy wide-screen > > grooviness. > > > > Is there a way to have both drivers available, and wire the choice > > into GRUB, so that when it boots I can choose stand-alone config, > > or external display config? > > I guess that you need to find more information about X.org setting for > dual monitors and intel . BTW intel graphics card might need > 915resolution. It's not really a dual monitor thing. If I can start X with the driver of my choice without running "apt-get install" each time that would suffice for now. > BTW. More details about you hardware can be useful :). Dell C400 latitude but it's not IMO terribly relevant. From james at camalyn.org Mon Sep 8 19:32:29 2008 From: james at camalyn.org (james) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:32:29 +0100 Subject: JOB: IT HELPDESK/ CAMBRIDGE Message-ID: <1220895149.6240.144.camel@gateway-laptop> JOB hi, I am recruiting for an IT Helpdesk Job in Cambridge. The role will involve providing 1st Line support by phone and in-person to the Cambridge office and may call for some travel to other regional offices too. Part of the job will also include installing, setting up and troubleshooting all aspects of user desktops, software and phone systems. You must have outstanding communication skills with a good telephone manner and strong relationship building skills as the role involves liaison with a number of suppliers e.g. ordering hardware etc. Previous 1st line IT support experience is desirable but not essential. You should have knowledge of Windows and Linux, an understanding of networks is also preferable. For further information please contact me to discuss. All the best JAMES From nuno at scaletrix.com Tue Sep 9 00:47:57 2008 From: nuno at scaletrix.com (Nuno Leitao) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 23:47:57 +0100 Subject: JOB: IT HELPDESK/ CAMBRIDGE In-Reply-To: <1220895149.6240.144.camel@gateway-laptop> References: <1220895149.6240.144.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: <20338f120809081547q5a7154cci263c570371cc2e9f@mail.gmail.com> unsubscribe 2008/9/8 james : > JOB > > hi, > > I am recruiting for an IT Helpdesk Job in Cambridge. > > The role will involve providing 1st Line support by phone and in-person > to the Cambridge office and may call for some travel to other regional > offices too. Part of the job will also include installing, setting up > and troubleshooting all aspects of user desktops, software and phone > systems. > > You must have outstanding communication skills with a good telephone > manner and strong relationship building skills as the role involves > liaison with a number of suppliers e.g. ordering hardware etc. > > Previous 1st line IT support experience is desirable but not essential. > You should have knowledge of Windows and Linux, an understanding of > networks is also preferable. > > For further information please contact me to discuss. > > All the best > JAMES > > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From wawrzek at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 01:39:44 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 00:39:44 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day 2008 In-Reply-To: References: <448D47FA-D904-4BF7-B1DE-4940285B358B@bbsrc.ac.uk> <48A46BAD.4070909@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi, Anything new about meeting? I'm going to join. Do you need anything special? Wawrzek PS. I would like to discuss different way of CAMLug activates if anybody else is interested in ;) Waw -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Tue Sep 9 10:33:52 2008 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:33:52 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day 2008 In-Reply-To: References: <448D47FA-D904-4BF7-B1DE-4940285B358B@bbsrc.ac.uk> <48A46BAD.4070909@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <1B8BCAE9-1A3A-4F67-BEF8-E331ED6D734F@bbsrc.ac.uk> On 9 Sep 2008, at 00:39, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi, > > Anything new about meeting? > > I'm going to join. Do you need anything special? Robert - have you heard whether we've definitely got the market stall spot again? I can probably bring a couple of tables and maybe even a stall / gazebo thing if it looks like its going to rain. I was also going to try to burn a pile of OpenDiscs for current windows users, and some FreeSmug CDs for Mac users. We had a few of these last year and they went down really well. I can also bring along a couple of laptops and some spare batteries which should hopefully run for a few hours. I don't suppose anyone has access to a generator :-) It would be nice to have a good selection of different hardware running linux. Does anyone have one of the linux based ultraportables (EEPC, Wind etc.). This would be a good example of linux going mainstream. It would probably also be good publicity to play the Stephen Fry "Happy birthday to GNU" video which explains free software and gives us celebrity chic! If we're going to do helium balloons then I suppose we need to get those sorted. Any suggestions for what should go on them, or recommendations of where to get them? TTFN Simon. From hjenkins at uvic.ca Tue Sep 9 18:32:44 2008 From: hjenkins at uvic.ca (hjenkins) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 09:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: set-up difficulties Message-ID: <26106.142.104.193.193.1220977964.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Hello, all, I just moved to Cambridge two weeks ago. Sorry that my first mailing list post is a request for help, but I've just gotten a connection for my (Gentoo Linux) laptop in my university department, and I'm having some difficulties. It seems that nearly every port save 80 & 110 is blocked, but there are also some problems which seem to stem from other restrictions. rsync, webrsync, SMTP, XMPP, and ping don't work. All worked fine from the local webcaf?. There's also something wrong with the way in which dhcpcd and the local server talk, and the department computer person (who doesn't control these rules) made HTTP work using >dhcpcd -I "01:my_hardware_address" -A eth0 Otherwise the server doesn't recognize my computer and ignores its requests. If anyone else has had these problems, I would love to learn from your struggles rather than my own. Secondly, are you actively holding meetings? If so, when? Thanks, and best wishes. From paul at the-hug.org Tue Sep 9 19:49:43 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:49:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: set-up difficulties In-Reply-To: <26106.142.104.193.193.1220977964.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> References: <26106.142.104.193.193.1220977964.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Message-ID: <9253.192.168.2.100.1220982583.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> On Tue, September 9, 2008 17:32, hjenkins said: > Hello, all, Wotcha, welcome aboard. > I just moved to Cambridge two weeks ago. Sorry that my first mailing list > post is a request for help, but I've just gotten a connection for my > (Gentoo Linux) laptop in my university department, and I'm having some > difficulties. > > It seems that nearly every port save 80 & 110 is blocked, but there are > also some problems which seem to stem from other restrictions. rsync, > webrsync, SMTP, XMPP, and ping don't work. Oh lord. How much of a pain is this for you? There is a solution that comes to mind but it costs: get a little server, set up a VPN to the server and then you're home free - you just route your traffic through the VPN. But you're going to be talking UKP17.50 a month or thereabouts even for a Virtual Machine. We use Bytemark[1] for our VM servers and they're pretty solid but they're not the only people in the game. > Secondly, are you actively holding meetings? If so, when? I think so, but I've never been ... -- Paul [1] http://www.bytemark-hosting.co.uk/r/hug From bnicolson at ippimail.com Tue Sep 9 19:58:18 2008 From: bnicolson at ippimail.com (bnicolson at ippimail.com) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:58:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: set-up difficulties In-Reply-To: <9253.192.168.2.100.1220982583.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> References: <26106.142.104.193.193.1220977964.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <9253.192.168.2.100.1220982583.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> Message-ID: <50869.82.16.102.233.1220983098.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> ?<> ?Meetings, when they happen, are usually on the second Sunday of the month but are always at CB2 in Norfolk Street. Someone will post to ask if anyone's coming. Next one should be 14th. And hallo.? Bev.? ? -- Email and shopping with the feelgood factor! 55% of income to good causes. http://www.ippimail.com From paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk Wed Sep 10 01:36:00 2008 From: paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:36:00 +0100 Subject: VoIP - phone - Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C70860.2010408@mansfield.co.uk> Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi, > > Could you suggest any USB phone (cordless) working with Linux - > ideally with Skype? Otherwise, could you ensure me that I can make > calls from normal phone via Skype using USB Phone Adapter. Of course I > would like to use VoIP with Linux. The second option might be even > better. One phone is enough :) IMHO these usb phones don't actually achieve anything, other than act as a button pad and audio in/out. why not get a bluetooth dongle and a bluetooth headset? you can buy standalone Skype phones now which don't need a PC at all; or a Nokia tablet can do that, as can an series60 phone running Fring (my nokia e65 does it nicely using wifi). for bonus points, avoid Skype, use SIP, with a provider like sipgate.co.uk or localphone or any one of many. An analogue telephone adaptor like the spa2002/pap2t works very well and requires no computer. again, you can do this kind of VOIP with the voip client built-in to many S60 phones, or the nokia tablet, or various soft phones on linux or windows. From robert at cantab.net Wed Sep 10 11:15:57 2008 From: robert at cantab.net (Robert Schumann) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:15:57 +0100 Subject: set-up difficulties In-Reply-To: <50869.82.16.102.233.1220983098.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> References: <26106.142.104.193.193.1220977964.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <9253.192.168.2.100.1220982583.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> <50869.82.16.102.233.1220983098.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:58 PM, wrote: > > < when?>> > Meetings, when they happen, are usually on the second > Sunday of the month but are always at CB2 in Norfolk Street. Someone will > post to ask if anyone's coming. Next one should be 14th. > In addition, I'll be sending out an email very very soon about Software Freedom Day, which will happen in the centre of Cambridge on Saturday 20 September. As last year, all manner of people are invited, even if you just come to hang around! Robert. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080910/a920a250/attachment-0002.htm From hjenkins at uvic.ca Wed Sep 10 11:37:50 2008 From: hjenkins at uvic.ca (hjenkins) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: VoIP - phone - Linux Message-ID: <12280.142.104.193.193.1221039470.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Audio into a laptop is difficult, as it is a very electrically noisy environment. 'Phone-quality sound is easy to get, but if you want decent music or voice recognition you'll need to be more picky about what you buy. Anything you feed through the integrated soundcard will be noisy; if you want to cut that noise, you need an external sound card, either built into the microphone or as a separate sound adapter (which will make even a 1-pound microphone sound much better). See http://www.voicerecognition.com/board/lofiversion/index.php?f19.html for specific product recommendations, some of them wireless. If you find a good way of doing VoIP without nasty user agreements, please tell me; Jingle seems to be in the embryonic stage still, and I've not yet gotten into it. From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Wed Sep 10 13:46:19 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:46:19 +0100 Subject: VoIP - phone - Linux In-Reply-To: <12280.142.104.193.193.1221039470.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> References: <12280.142.104.193.193.1221039470.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Message-ID: <20080910114619.GA3110@weber> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 02:37:50AM -0700, hjenkins wrote: > Anything you feed through the integrated soundcard will be noisy; if > you want to cut that noise, you need an external sound card On that note, I'm selling an Aureon 5.1 USB MKII external sound card: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~te233/selling/ Tom From hjenkins at uvic.ca Wed Sep 10 15:14:36 2008 From: hjenkins at uvic.ca (hjenkins) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: set-up difficulties Message-ID: <12825.142.104.193.193.1221052476.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Thanks, everyone. I've been told today that the restrictions will vanish when the appropriate pieces of paperwork arrive. So cross fingers. In the meanwhile I can't update my system (or access any of the university's public websites), but I suppose many people go for weeks at a time without updating their systems, and survive... :-) I'll try and make it out on the 14th and 20th. From nuno at scaletrix.com Fri Sep 12 03:26:12 2008 From: nuno at scaletrix.com (Nuno Leitao) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:26:12 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. Message-ID: Hi all, As you might have noticed, I am not particularly active in this mailing list (I'm not even in Cambridge anymore), but I subscribe it because there are still some people around I used to know, and because occasionally there are a few tidbits of useful information kindly donated by the subscribers. For some time now I have noticed the pretty constant flow of job ads in CLUG. Not that I take issue with that particularly, since it can actually be useful for people who might be looking for jobs, but still I'd say someone should benefit from what is clearly a commercial endeavor which will eventually benefit the poster. I therefore suggest that the CLUG administrators create a small fee for job ads to be posted - and for the proceedings to be donated to charity. A ?5 fee per job ad would result in ?50-?100 a year going to charity, since looking back in the archives we seem to be getting 1 or 2 ads per month. Just my $.02. --Nuno From tuxbox.guru at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 08:04:03 2008 From: tuxbox.guru at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:04:03 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CA0653.3040804@gmail.com> I dont see a problem with targeted email. People sell/give away goods on the list too. and thats is not a problem. I personally think you are over-reacting at the 'Quantity' as the job mails I find useful, but there are only one or two job adverts per month... Is that a problem? I am sure you get more email adverts for Viagra in your mailbox. Most agents give a 'finders fee' for successful placement, why not ask for the finders fee to to to the Clug admin for hosting and such. My 0.2c Richard Nuno Leitao wrote: > Hi all, > > As you might have noticed, I am not particularly active in this > mailing list (I'm not even in Cambridge anymore), but I subscribe it > because there are still some people around I used to know, and because > occasionally there are a few tidbits of useful information kindly > donated by the subscribers. > > For some time now I have noticed the pretty constant flow of job ads > in CLUG. Not that I take issue with that particularly, since it can > actually be useful for people who might be looking for jobs, but still > I'd say someone should benefit from what is clearly a commercial > endeavor which will eventually benefit the poster. > > I therefore suggest that the CLUG administrators create a small fee > for job ads to be posted - and for the proceedings to be donated to > charity. > > A ?5 fee per job ad would result in ?50-?100 a year going to charity, > since looking back in the archives we seem to be getting 1 or 2 ads > per month. > > Just my $.02. > > --Nuno_______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From paul at the-hug.org Fri Sep 12 09:41:25 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:41:25 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> On 12/09/08 02:26, Nuno Leitao wrote: > For some time now I have noticed the pretty constant flow of job ads > in CLUG. Not that I take issue with that particularly, since it can > actually be useful for people who might be looking for jobs, but still > I'd say someone should benefit from what is clearly a commercial > endeavor which will eventually benefit the poster. Most of them are from James at Camalyn. I confess that this is probably my fault in encouraging him as I found him a DBA after he posted an advert here several times (I should add that this didn't benefit *me*, i was doing it as a favour to a friend who was looking for a job). > I therefore suggest that the CLUG administrators create a small fee > for job ads to be posted - and for the proceedings to be donated to > charity. > > A GBP5 fee per job ad would result in GBP50-GBP100 a year going to > charity, since looking back in the archives we seem to be getting > 1 or 2 ads per month. An agency is going to make into four figures for placing *one* person and advertising via other channels costs money so some sponsorship from the likes of Camalyn, perhaps paying all our server hosting fees, might be worth thinking about ... -- Paul From tuxbox.guru at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 10:16:16 2008 From: tuxbox.guru at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:16:16 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> Most of the arguments are single sided. Look from a point of view from a person on the Clug list that is forced to do windows support for a living... by posting a linux related Job offer here might just be the key to uplift this poor Windows engineers soul and move to greener linux pastures. In that case the job posting is more of a public service offering :-P Richard my 0.4c (inflation is really kicking in now) Paul Oldham wrote: > On 12/09/08 02:26, Nuno Leitao wrote: > >> For some time now I have noticed the pretty constant flow of job ads >> in CLUG. Not that I take issue with that particularly, since it can >> actually be useful for people who might be looking for jobs, but >> still I'd say someone should benefit from what is clearly a >> commercial endeavor which will eventually benefit the poster. > > Most of them are from James at Camalyn. I confess that this is > probably my fault in encouraging him as I found him a DBA after he > posted an advert here several times (I should add that this didn't > benefit *me*, i was doing it as a favour to a friend who was looking > for a job). > >> I therefore suggest that the CLUG administrators create a small fee >> for job ads to be posted - and for the proceedings to be donated to >> charity. >> >> A GBP5 fee per job ad would result in GBP50-GBP100 a year going to >> charity, since looking back in the archives we seem to be getting >> 1 or 2 ads per month. > > An agency is going to make into four figures for placing *one* person > and advertising via other channels costs money so some sponsorship > from the likes of Camalyn, perhaps paying all our server hosting fees, > might be worth thinking about ... > From paul at the-hug.org Fri Sep 12 10:39:27 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:39:27 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CA2ABF.9040002@the-hug.org> On 12/09/08 09:16, Richard wrote: > Most of the arguments are single sided. [...] What arguments? No one (posting to the list at least) is (yet) saying we shouldn't have job ads here, just that as they're an income stream in some cases why shouldn't someone benefit. -- Paul From tuxbox.guru at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 10:43:27 2008 From: tuxbox.guru at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:43:27 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA2ABF.9040002@the-hug.org> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> <48CA2ABF.9040002@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <48CA2BAF.9030806@gmail.com> Paul Oldham wrote: > On 12/09/08 09:16, Richard wrote: > >> Most of the arguments are single sided. [...] > > What arguments? No one (posting to the list at least) is (yet) saying > we shouldn't have job ads here, just that as they're an income stream > in some cases why shouldn't someone benefit. > lemme rephrase then.. not argument, but discussion. sorry, wrong choice of words. Richard From clug at minimal.cx Fri Sep 12 12:32:00 2008 From: clug at minimal.cx (Ian Spray) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:32:00 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080912103200.GA6210@minimal.cx> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:16:16AM +0100, Richard wrote: > Most of the arguments are single sided. Look from a point of view from a > person on the Clug list that is forced to do windows support for a > living... by posting a linux related Job offer here might just be the key > to uplift this poor Windows engineers soul and move to greener linux > pastures. > > In that case the job posting is more of a public service offering :-P > Actually, this is pretty much what I was thinking - I've had the joy of looking for a job twice inside 12 months after a long time in one company and, to be honest, if even half the agencies I spoke to were as correctly targeted as the ads posted here I'd have been delighted. I also get more Windows and Games programming job offers in a typical 6 week period than ads on CLUG, despite not ever having written a game (BASIC on a BBC B doesn't count, apparently) or programmed Windows for over 12 years. About my only constructive comment would be that Camalyn's ads could be a little more specific in terms of details, given that the audience here can probably cope with more than just "Programming Linux Databases", but arguably if I'm that interested I could just reply to the advert... Just my 0.00 (my views are worth what you paid for them) TTFN, -- Ian Spray GPG Fingerprint: D170 35A3 C858 6E85 9B5B 1557 4CD5 6F6F E176 2D0A From nuno at scaletrix.com Fri Sep 12 13:27:14 2008 From: nuno at scaletrix.com (Nuno Leitao) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:27:14 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA2ABF.9040002@the-hug.org> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA2550.7070403@gmail.com> <48CA2ABF.9040002@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <20338f120809120427o179f3b19ub190573ea36050da@mail.gmail.com> That's correct - the point is, if we are to get job ads in the list, and considering that agencies don't exactly work for the "benefit" of the members (but rather for the benefit of their own pockets), then contributing in some way for the overall good would be a good thing. My suggestion would be that any job ad would be paid for, either by a small contribution to a charity of choice, or - whenever a job is placed through a list contact, that a finders fee is paid. It would certainly make me feel a lot better for getting (even more) job ads in my mail box. Regards. --Nuno 2008/9/12 Paul Oldham : > On 12/09/08 09:16, Richard wrote: > >> Most of the arguments are single sided. [...] > > What arguments? No one (posting to the list at least) is (yet) saying we > shouldn't have job ads here, just that as they're an income stream in some > cases why shouldn't someone benefit. > > -- > Paul > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From hjenkins at uvic.ca Fri Sep 12 13:34:35 2008 From: hjenkins at uvic.ca (hjenkins) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Job ads in CLUG. Message-ID: <30353.142.104.193.193.1221219275.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> I guess it's currently a gift economy; the CLUG mailing list gives free exposure to job advertisers, and gives subscribers free access to interesting jobs. One might hope that some of the money saved on placement agencies goes to charity, one might suggest it, or one might require it. Separately, if people are annoyed by the job postings, why not ask job posters to include the string "[JOB OFFER]"/"[JOB WANTED]" in the subject line? The people with good jobs can route anything from CLUG with that string to /dev/null, and if job posts start to eat serious bandwidth it could be made a subscription option. It would also make it easier to post the jobs on the website, should anyone find it worthwhile to do that :-). My 1p worth, at current exchange rates. From jt at camalyn.org Fri Sep 12 13:40:57 2008 From: jt at camalyn.org (james) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:40:57 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <30353.142.104.193.193.1221219275.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> References: <30353.142.104.193.193.1221219275.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Message-ID: <1221219657.6407.69.camel@gateway-laptop> hi everyone, I think most of the time a job post is made by me only once in any given month, there has probably been times when an ad might have been re-posted twice in the same month though (I'm not a fan of this but sometimes the response has been very dry). Any post relating to a job ad I do prefix with JOB: so this should allow members to setup rules in their mail clients to deal with these posts or simply click the delete key rather than open and read. In terms of anybody benefiting from my posting jobs ads, I am hoping that it could benefit the group as a whole. I have a genuine interest in all things open source and this could be of benefit to a CLUG member looking for a new job or a CLUG member that maybe even a client looking to recruit themselves. I do run Linux on several machines and there are times when I could do with a bit of help myself, but I tend to turn to Google and find out the answers quicker. However, where and when possible I am happy to offer any assistance to others. If the general consensus of the list is that you don't want me to post jobs ads please let me know and I will immediately stop - I don't want to upset anybody. I'm not promising anything but assuming all is ok for jobs ads to continue to be posted maybe I could come along to one of the CLUG meetups and get a few beers in or someone might like to get in touch with me to talk about arranging a CLUG meet-up. This would be good as you can meet and get to know me ....and me you. thanks James On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 04:34 -0700, hjenkins wrote: > I guess it's currently a gift economy; the CLUG mailing list gives free > exposure to job advertisers, and gives subscribers free access to > interesting jobs. One might hope that some of the money saved on placement > agencies goes to charity, one might suggest it, or one might require it. > > Separately, if people are annoyed by the job postings, why not ask job > posters to include the string "[JOB OFFER]"/"[JOB WANTED]" in the subject > line? > > The people with good jobs can route anything from CLUG with that string to > /dev/null, and if job posts start to eat serious bandwidth it could be > made a subscription option. It would also make it easier to post the jobs > on the website, should anyone find it worthwhile to do that :-). > > My 1p worth, at current exchange rates. > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From delaneygrant at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 14:23:25 2008 From: delaneygrant at gmail.com (Grant Delaney) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:23:25 +0200 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <1221219657.6407.69.camel@gateway-laptop> References: <30353.142.104.193.193.1221219275.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <1221219657.6407.69.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: Afternoon All I have found it very helpful having job adverts in the mailing list. I have personally replied to a couple. I would say if there were more than a couple a month, it would warrant a clug-jobs@ mail list. I know the job posting are a bit vague but a short mail explaining the position vs posting the entire job description, I would rather have the short one for a quick glance to see if I am interested. A fellow clug member (or soon to be) saving us the hassle of having to wade through all the job sites for a local linux position, I would say let them post here, within reason of course. Regards Grant On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:40 PM, james wrote: > hi everyone, > > I think most of the time a job post is made by me only once in any given > month, there has probably been times when an ad might have been > re-posted twice in the same month though (I'm not a fan of this but > sometimes the response has been very dry). > > Any post relating to a job ad I do prefix with JOB: so this should allow > members to setup rules in their mail clients to deal with these posts or > simply click the delete key rather than open and read. > > In terms of anybody benefiting from my posting jobs ads, I am hoping > that it could benefit the group as a whole. I have a genuine interest > in all things open source and this could be of benefit to a CLUG member > looking for a new job or a CLUG member that maybe even a client looking > to recruit themselves. > > I do run Linux on several machines and there are times when I could do > with a bit of help myself, but I tend to turn to Google and find out the > answers quicker. However, where and when possible I am happy to offer > any assistance to others. > > If the general consensus of the list is that you don't want me to post > jobs ads please let me know and I will immediately stop - I don't want > to upset anybody. > > I'm not promising anything but assuming all is ok for jobs ads to > continue to be posted maybe I could come along to one of the CLUG > meetups and get a few beers in or someone might like to get in touch > with me to talk about arranging a CLUG meet-up. This would be good as > you can meet and get to know me ....and me you. > > thanks James > > > On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 04:34 -0700, hjenkins wrote: >> I guess it's currently a gift economy; the CLUG mailing list gives free >> exposure to job advertisers, and gives subscribers free access to >> interesting jobs. One might hope that some of the money saved on placement >> agencies goes to charity, one might suggest it, or one might require it. >> >> Separately, if people are annoyed by the job postings, why not ask job >> posters to include the string "[JOB OFFER]"/"[JOB WANTED]" in the subject >> line? >> >> The people with good jobs can route anything from CLUG with that string to >> /dev/null, and if job posts start to eat serious bandwidth it could be >> made a subscription option. It would also make it easier to post the jobs >> on the website, should anyone find it worthwhile to do that :-). >> >> My 1p worth, at current exchange rates. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug at cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk Fri Sep 12 16:03:28 2008 From: paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:03:28 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> create a separate "clug-jobs" mailing list for people who might be interested, and those of us not interested don't get what we see as spam. From jt at camalyn.org Fri Sep 12 16:20:41 2008 From: jt at camalyn.org (james) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:20:41 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> Message-ID: <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 15:03 +0100, Paul M wrote: > create a separate "clug-jobs" mailing list for people who might be > interested, and those of us not interested don't get what we see as spam. --- in principle that may sound like a good idea. however, as a recruiter that would not work for me im afraid and i probably wouldn't post to that list as i am certain that it would not bring me the results i needed. on the general consensus that its probably more beneficial to receive job ads on/ from the list than to not, could people not just set up a mail rule that handles those posts that are prefixed in the subject and body with "JOB:" thanks J From gareth.pullen at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 16:34:58 2008 From: gareth.pullen at gmail.com (gareth pullen) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:34:58 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: Just to chip in here, I'd suggest putting the title as "Job Ad" or something like that, since (in GMail anyway) using the filter "Job:" will pick up on any subject containing the word job, so "cron job" would be picked up too. Unless someone knows of a way to get GMail to be a bit finer in the filter (and no, enclosing it in quotes doesn't change it so it has to have the : after job), I'd prefer to have Job Ad: in the subject. Gareth 2008/9/12 james : > On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 15:03 +0100, Paul M wrote: >> create a separate "clug-jobs" mailing list for people who might be >> interested, and those of us not interested don't get what we see as spam. > > --- > > in principle that may sound like a good idea. however, as a recruiter > that would not work for me im afraid and i probably wouldn't post to > that list as i am certain that it would not bring me the results i > needed. > > on the general consensus that its probably more beneficial to receive > job ads on/ from the list than to not, could people not just set up a > mail rule that handles those posts that are prefixed in the subject and > body with "JOB:" > > thanks J > > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From gareth.pullen at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 16:39:50 2008 From: gareth.pullen at gmail.com (gareth pullen) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:39:50 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <1221230215.7296.21.camel@gateway-laptop> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> <1221230215.7296.21.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: > I'm happy to prefix as Job Ad: > > or post job ads from jobs at camalyn.org if that helps instead. then you > can maybe create rules based on this address alone. I think it'd be better to use Job Ad: in the subject, that way anyone can post one and not upset anyone else. Gareth From tuxbox.guru at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 16:41:25 2008 From: tuxbox.guru at gmail.com (Richard) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:41:25 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: <48CA7F95.5040607@gmail.com> gareth pullen wrote: > Just to chip in here, I'd suggest putting the title as "Job Ad" or > something like that, since (in GMail anyway) using the filter "Job:" > will pick up on any subject containing the word job, so "cron job" > would be picked up too. > Unless someone knows of a way to get GMail to be a bit finer in the > filter (and no, enclosing it in quotes doesn't change it so it has to > have the : after job), I'd prefer to have Job Ad: in the subject. > > Gareth > > 2008/9/12 james : > >> On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 15:03 +0100, Paul M wrote: >> >>> create a separate "clug-jobs" mailing list for people who might be >>> interested, and those of us not interested don't get what we see as spam. >>> >> --- >> >> in principle that may sound like a good idea. however, as a recruiter >> that would not work for me im afraid and i probably wouldn't post to >> that list as i am certain that it would not bring me the results i >> needed. >> >> on the general consensus that its probably more beneficial to receive >> job ads on/ from the list than to not, could people not just set up a >> mail rule that handles those posts that are prefixed in the subject and >> body with "JOB:" >> >> thanks J >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug at cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > Agreement from me. I have not benefited from the Ad's , but I know people who have, and it would be such a waste to see it go. Richard From paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk Fri Sep 12 17:16:41 2008 From: paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:16:41 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <1221219657.6407.69.camel@gateway-laptop> References: <30353.142.104.193.193.1221219275.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <1221219657.6407.69.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: <48CA87D9.2000601@mansfield.co.uk> james wrote: > continue to be posted maybe I could come along to one of the CLUG > meetups and get a few beers in or someone might like to get in touch > with me to talk about arranging a CLUG meet-up. This would be good as > you can meet and get to know me ....and me you. ah, bribery... works for me :-) perhaps you could also gain some cheap publicity by sponsoring Software Freedom Day?! From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Sep 12 17:52:17 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:52:17 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> Message-ID: <20080912155217.GB3054@weber> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 03:34:58PM +0100, gareth pullen wrote: > Just to chip in here, I'd suggest putting the title as "Job Ad" or > something like that, since (in GMail anyway) using the filter "Job:" > will pick up on any subject containing the word job, so "cron job" > would be picked up too. Why on earth do people continue to use GMail? Its filtering capabilities sound absolutely rubbish. From clug at gasops.co.uk Fri Sep 12 17:54:39 2008 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:54:39 +0100 Subject: VoIP - phone - Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CA90BF.2060709@gasops.co.uk> * Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi, > > Could you suggest any USB phone (cordless) working with Linux - > ideally with Skype? Otherwise, could you ensure me that I can make > calls from normal phone via Skype using USB Phone Adapter. Of course I > would like to use VoIP with Linux. The second option might be even > better. One phone is enough :) With rebtel you don't even need VoIP support. Any phone can be used and they do the VoIP in between for you. Handy when all you have is a payphone ;-) From ben at whyte-systems.co.uk Fri Sep 12 18:04:51 2008 From: ben at whyte-systems.co.uk (Ben Whyte) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:04:51 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA7F95.5040607@gmail.com> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> <48CA7F95.5040607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CA9323.9010806@whyte-systems.co.uk> I would chip in and say that James is a particulalry considerate job poster compared to one or two of the lug lists I belong to. I suggest that he is allowed to continue posting to the list, maybe making the subject job ad: for filtering purposes. My .02p Ben From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Sep 12 18:07:58 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:07:58 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <48CA9323.9010806@whyte-systems.co.uk> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> <48CA7F95.5040607@gmail.com> <48CA9323.9010806@whyte-systems.co.uk> Message-ID: <20080912160758.GA4567@weber> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 05:04:51PM +0100, Ben Whyte wrote: > I would chip in and say that James is a particulalry considerate job poster > compared to one or two of the lug lists I belong to. I suggest that he is > allowed to continue posting to the list, maybe making the subject job ad: > for filtering purposes. For what it's worth, I'm entirely in support of that. Also note that this discussion has already grown to a number of messages equal to over 1.5 years' worth of James' postings. From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 19:33:38 2008 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:33:38 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <20080912160758.GA4567@weber> References: <48CA1D25.6080408@the-hug.org> <48CA76B0.5000201@mansfield.co.uk> <1221229241.7296.14.camel@gateway-laptop> <48CA7F95.5040607@gmail.com> <48CA9323.9010806@whyte-systems.co.uk> <20080912160758.GA4567@weber> Message-ID: <126d63860809121033g15fd15c0l4aab981c98baacd@mail.gmail.com> I also do not object to job ads on this list. ...and I quite like gmail. ;) -- Drew Fitzsimmons From dom at latter.org Fri Sep 12 22:55:35 2008 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:55:35 +0200 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <20080912160758.GA4567@weber> References: <48CA9323.9010806@whyte-systems.co.uk> <20080912160758.GA4567@weber> Message-ID: <200809122255.35928.dom@latter.org> On Friday 12 September 2008 18:07:58 Tom Ellis wrote: > For what it's worth, I'm entirely in support of that. Also note that this > discussion has already grown to a number of messages equal to over 1.5 > years' worth of James' postings. In that case I'll chip in to help it on its way to 2.0. And point out that James does seem to read the list, doesn't just use it for his own ends, hasn't got all huffy about the suggestions put forward... Sponsoring Software Freedom Day sounds like an excellent idea to me. Am I allowed to say "win-win situation"? From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Sep 12 23:01:09 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:01:09 +0100 Subject: Job ads in CLUG. In-Reply-To: <200809122255.35928.dom@latter.org> References: <48CA9323.9010806@whyte-systems.co.uk> <20080912160758.GA4567@weber> <200809122255.35928.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <20080912210109.GA11407@weber> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:55:35PM +0200, Dom Latter wrote: > Sponsoring Software Freedom Day sounds like an excellent idea to me. > Am I allowed to say "win-win situation"? I don't think James has actually agreed to that yet! But if so, "win-win" I agree. Marvellous :-) From robert at cantab.net Sun Sep 14 00:14:38 2008 From: robert at cantab.net (Robert Schumann) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:14:38 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day - next Saturday! Message-ID: Hi all, It's come that time of the year again, and you're all invited to come spread the word about software freedom in Cambridge next week, joining teams from around the world who are participating in Software Freedom Day. This is the fifth celebration of SFD, since it started with a modest 20-odd team in 2004, and this year we're heading for well over 500 teams registered. Please let me (and the list) know if you are able to come down to Market Square (outside the Guildhall) for a few hours on Saturday! No special skills are required, and there will be a supply of coffee and other bits as required. In support of the event, we have so far procured (in addition to a permit to hold the event): * a few tables from Simon Andrews * a stall/gazebo in case it rains from Simon * soda stream from Paul M * SuSE DVDs from Paul M * one or two Elonex webbooks courtesy of The Open Learning Centre ...and the official SFD supplies: * 100 or so Ubuntu CDs in professional-looking sleeves * 3 or 4 T-shirts (they are allegedly larger than last years!) * a bunch of SFD stickers * a handful of SFD balloons * some SFD badges * one or two OpenEducation Discs T-shirts will be distributed to first comers on Saturday morning - we're planning to be up and running at 09.00 and go until 13.00 or later if we feel inspired. We're still looking for volunteers to (a) get hold of (i.e. print) some suitable leaflets to hand out, and (b) produce some Open Discs (we have none at the moment). Please let us know if you're up to it! Robert. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll bring the tables and stall to the road down the side of the town hall (the same place as last year) at around 9am. It would be really good if one or two people can meet me there to start setting up as I will have to go off and park somewhere else. Any volunteers? TTFN Simon. From tomharling at aol.com Wed Sep 17 00:00:02 2008 From: tomharling at aol.com (Tom Harling) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:00:02 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <200809150626.91e48ce386533e@rly-md08.mx.aol.com> References: <200809150626.91e48ce386533e@rly-md08.mx.aol.com> Message-ID: <48D02C62.8070603@aol.com> Hi Can we bring along laptops (Software Freedom Day) - I have one which I run Ubuntu on and thought it would be cool to bring it along + show people? (Also, will there be benches etc. to put stuff on?) Thanks Tom From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Wed Sep 17 00:04:55 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:04:55 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <48D02C62.8070603@aol.com> References: <200809150626.91e48ce386533e@rly-md08.mx.aol.com> <48D02C62.8070603@aol.com> Message-ID: <20080916220455.GA5376@weber> On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:00:02PM +0100, Tom Harling wrote: > Can we bring along laptops (Software Freedom Day) - I have one which I run > Ubuntu on and thought it would be cool to bring it along + show people? > (Also, will there be benches etc. to put stuff on?) Yeah good idea. I'll try to bring along my Eee. Last year there was a large bench displaying many gadgets. From robert at cantab.net Wed Sep 17 00:30:02 2008 From: robert at cantab.net (Robert Schumann) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:30:02 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day - next Saturday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 8:36 AM, simon andrews (BI) < simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk> wrote: > I'll bring the tables and stall to the road down the side of the town > hall (the same place as last year) at around 9am. It would be really > good if one or two people can meet me there to start setting up as I > will have to go off and park somewhere else. > > Any volunteers? In case it wasn't obvious, I'm volunteering. See you then. R. > > > TTFN > > Simon. > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080916/cd080b91/attachment-0002.htm From wawrzek at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 13:05:12 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:05:12 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day - next Saturday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Robert Schumann wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 8:36 AM, simon andrews (BI) > wrote: [...] >> Any volunteers? > > In case it wasn't obvious, I'm volunteering. See you then. Another one. We might exchange mobiles number. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Wed Sep 17 13:11:35 2008 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (Simon Andrews) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:11:35 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day - next Saturday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 17 Sep 2008, at 12:05, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Another one. We might exchange mobiles number. That's a very good suggestion. Mine's 0795 101 9478 Simon. From admin at backup-data.net Wed Sep 17 20:27:00 2008 From: admin at backup-data.net (Admin) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:27:00 +0100 Subject: need some development Message-ID: <48D14BF4.8080903@backup-data.net> Hi there, I am sysadmin for a company based in Cambridge, this company needs someone for a small development. Kind of extension/plug-in for picture viever under Linux, function "send to" The most interesting is Canola2 on Nokia N810, we are going to use it as demo for inhouse product. Please take a look for more info: http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/developer.html If you are intrested in this please contact me on priv: admin at backup-data.net Thanks, Alex PS. Sorry for this spam, it isn't job offer ;) From paul at the-hug.org Wed Sep 17 20:53:14 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:53:14 +0100 (BST) Subject: need some development In-Reply-To: <48D14BF4.8080903@backup-data.net> References: <48D14BF4.8080903@backup-data.net> Message-ID: <6463.192.168.2.100.1221677594.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> On Wed, September 17, 2008 19:27, Alex said: > Hi there, > I am sysadmin for a company based in Cambridge, this company needs > someone for a small development. [...] > PS. Sorry for this spam, it isn't job offer ;) And it isn't really English either ... -- Paul From paul at the-hug.org Wed Sep 17 22:57:22 2008 From: paul at the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:57:22 +0100 Subject: need some development In-Reply-To: <6463.192.168.2.100.1221677594.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> References: <48D14BF4.8080903@backup-data.net> <6463.192.168.2.100.1221677594.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> Message-ID: <48D16F32.9030602@the-hug.org> On 17/09/08 19:53, Paul Oldham wrote: > On Wed, September 17, 2008 19:27, Alex said: > >> Hi there, >> I am sysadmin for a company based in Cambridge, this company needs >> someone for a small development. [...] >> PS. Sorry for this spam, it isn't job offer ;) > > And it isn't really English either ... ... but then neither's Alex. :-( My apologies to him. We've talked about this requirement off list. He's a bit vague on details but it looks like it's probably a Python job. They just want it to demonstrate their device so the code produced can be Open Sourced and they are looking for a contractor to do the work to whom they will pay market rates. If that sounds like it's up your street then you need to speak to Alex (it's not mine, I'm a PHP weenie, never really got into Python). -- Paul From turnerst at family-zone.co.uk Wed Sep 17 22:59:39 2008 From: turnerst at family-zone.co.uk (Stuart Turner) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:59:39 +0100 Subject: need some development In-Reply-To: <48D16F32.9030602@the-hug.org> References: <48D14BF4.8080903@backup-data.net> <6463.192.168.2.100.1221677594.squirrel@home.the-hug.net> <48D16F32.9030602@the-hug.org> Message-ID: <00bc01c91908$4e237870$ea6a6950$@co.uk> I can help with Python. Need more details. -----Original Message----- From: clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org [mailto:clug-bounces at cambridge-lug.org] On Behalf Of Paul Oldham Sent: 17 September 2008 21:57 To: CLUG Subject: Re: need some development On 17/09/08 19:53, Paul Oldham wrote: > On Wed, September 17, 2008 19:27, Alex said: > >> Hi there, >> I am sysadmin for a company based in Cambridge, this company needs >> someone for a small development. [...] >> PS. Sorry for this spam, it isn't job offer ;) > > And it isn't really English either ... ... but then neither's Alex. :-( My apologies to him. We've talked about this requirement off list. He's a bit vague on details but it looks like it's probably a Python job. They just want it to demonstrate their device so the code produced can be Open Sourced and they are looking for a contractor to do the work to whom they will pay market rates. If that sounds like it's up your street then you need to speak to Alex (it's not mine, I'm a PHP weenie, never really got into Python). -- Paul _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug at cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org From robert at cantab.net Thu Sep 18 22:20:46 2008 From: robert at cantab.net (Robert Schumann) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:20:46 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <20080916220455.GA5376@weber> References: <200809150626.91e48ce386533e@rly-md08.mx.aol.com> <48D02C62.8070603@aol.com> <20080916220455.GA5376@weber> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:00:02PM +0100, Tom Harling wrote: > > Can we bring along laptops (Software Freedom Day) - I have one which I > run > > Ubuntu on and thought it would be cool to bring it along + show people? > > (Also, will there be benches etc. to put stuff on?) > > Yeah good idea. I'll try to bring along my Eee. Last year there was a > large bench displaying many gadgets. > I have now taken delivery of two Elonex webbooks from an organisation called The Open Learning Centre. They are nifty little gadgets running Ubuntu and available at Carphone Warehouse. Does anyone who might be coming along to SFD in Cambridge on Saturday (reminder: from 9am, outside the Guildhall on Market Square) have a 3G dongle? Apparently these devices do work OK, our of the box, with such dongles, and it might be fun to try it out on Saturday and have the internet to entertain people. R. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080918/636fdeef/attachment-0002.htm From magnus at therning.org Thu Sep 18 22:41:07 2008 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:41:07 +0100 Subject: Ergonomic keyboards to borrow? Message-ID: Is there anywhere in Cambridge I can turn to borrow or rent an ergonomic keyboard before I go off spending my money? /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From paul at peck.org.uk Fri Sep 19 13:02:42 2008 From: paul at peck.org.uk (Paul Hardwick) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:02:42 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day References: <200809150626.91e48ce386533e@rly-md08.mx.aol.com><48D02C62.8070603@aol.com> <20080916220455.GA5376@weber> Message-ID: <002301c91a47$3fef3010$080b280a@OPTION.local> Hi Robert, Excuse me jumping in... I am happy to loan out an "unlocked" Icon 225 - I cant offer a SIM. Fyi I wrote the HSOconnect app that was initially used for the Orange package. www.pharscape.org Cheers, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Schumann To: Tom Ellis ; clug at cambridge-lug.org Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:20 PM Subject: Re: Software Freedom Day On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Tom Ellis wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:00:02PM +0100, Tom Harling wrote: > Can we bring along laptops (Software Freedom Day) - I have one which I run > Ubuntu on and thought it would be cool to bring it along + show people? > (Also, will there be benches etc. to put stuff on?) Yeah good idea. I'll try to bring along my Eee. Last year there was a large bench displaying many gadgets. I have now taken delivery of two Elonex webbooks from an organisation called The Open Learning Centre. They are nifty little gadgets running Ubuntu and available at Carphone Warehouse. Does anyone who might be coming along to SFD in Cambridge on Saturday (reminder: from 9am, outside the Guildhall on Market Square) have a 3G dongle? Apparently these devices do work OK, our of the box, with such dongles, and it might be fun to try it out on Saturday and have the internet to entertain people. R. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ CLUG mailing list clug at cambridge-lug.org Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080919/efb835d6/attachment-0001.htm From hjenkins at uvic.ca Fri Sep 19 13:23:21 2008 From: hjenkins at uvic.ca (hjenkins) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: place to post about Software Freedom Day? Message-ID: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Hello, all, Would posting on this Cambridge site: http://www.wereallneighbours.co.uk/ about Software Freedom Day (and maybe about CLUG) be a good idea? All the best, Hazel From onepoint at starurchin.org Fri Sep 19 14:12:17 2008 From: onepoint at starurchin.org (Jeremy Henty) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:12:17 +0100 Subject: place to post about Software Freedom Day? In-Reply-To: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> References: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Message-ID: <20080919121217.GD12572@omphalos.onepoint> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 04:23:21AM -0700, hjenkins wrote: > Would posting on this Cambridge site: > http://www.wereallneighbours.co.uk/ > > about Software Freedom Day (and maybe about CLUG) be a good idea? I think so. I use that site as my main portal for finding out about Cambridge events, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Cheers, Jeremy Henty From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Sep 19 19:43:48 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:43:48 +0100 Subject: place to post about Software Freedom Day? In-Reply-To: <20080919121217.GD12572@omphalos.onepoint> References: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <20080919121217.GD12572@omphalos.onepoint> Message-ID: <20080919174348.GA3897@weber> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 01:12:17PM +0100, Jeremy Henty wrote: > On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 04:23:21AM -0700, hjenkins wrote: > > > Would posting on this Cambridge site: > > http://www.wereallneighbours.co.uk/ > > > > about Software Freedom Day (and maybe about CLUG) be a good idea? > > I think so. I use that site as my main portal for finding out about > Cambridge events, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Has this been submitted? I've just looked at the site and can't see anything about SFD. I've never used the site before though, so I don't necessarily know what I'm doing! Tom From dom at latter.org Fri Sep 19 21:56:48 2008 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:56:48 +0200 Subject: place to post about Software Freedom Day? In-Reply-To: <20080919174348.GA3897@weber> References: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <20080919121217.GD12572@omphalos.onepoint> <20080919174348.GA3897@weber> Message-ID: <200809192156.49360.dom@latter.org> On Friday 19 September 2008 19:43:48 Tom Ellis wrote: [ http://www.wereallneighbours.co.uk/ ] > Has this been submitted? I've just looked at the site and can't see > anything about SFD. I've never used the site before though, so I don't > necessarily know what I'm doing! I can't see anything, but then you have to plough through three pages just to wind the clock back 24 hours. There's sod-all categorisation and everybody posts threads with uninformative titles so the only way of staying on top of things is by devoting vast amounts of time to it. Maybe that's *why* it's a popular site... From paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk Fri Sep 19 23:53:46 2008 From: paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:53:46 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day - next Saturday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D41F6A.3050607@mansfield.co.uk> Robert Schumann wrote: > * soda stream from Paul M > * SuSE DVDs from Paul M I feel like an utter *** for doing this, but office refurbishment's gone over time and I'm not going to be able to make it after all... notwithstanding still suffering from a twisted ankle which makes standing for any length of time difficult. I'll have to make up for it and come to a clug night and buy some drinks. really sorry for this, if I tried to get out of it I'd be getting some very dirty looks from those who're working. :-( From wawrzek at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 00:01:33 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:01:33 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day - next Saturday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, mine: 07917447988 What time and where I should be? Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From mcconville.steve at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 00:06:22 2008 From: mcconville.steve at gmail.com (Steve McConville) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:06:22 +0100 Subject: place to post about Software Freedom Day? In-Reply-To: <200809192156.49360.dom@latter.org> References: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <20080919121217.GD12572@omphalos.onepoint> <20080919174348.GA3897@weber> <200809192156.49360.dom@latter.org> Message-ID: <56652bc0809191506x4290b2ccud146c377ded31314@mail.gmail.com> > I can't see anything, but then you have to plough through three pages > just to wind the clock back 24 hours. There's sod-all categorisation > and everybody posts threads with uninformative titles so the only > way of staying on top of things is by devoting vast amounts of time > to it. Maybe that's *why* it's a popular site... Are you looking at the 'idle chat' section? The 'cambridge events' section has categories. It strikes me as a largely abandoned mid-90s php custom codebase (like I used to write). FWIW I have a (buggy) RSS-producing screen scraper for it at http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/cgi-bin/scraper.cgi that I keep meaning to add categorisation features to. -- steev http://www.daikaiju.org.uk/~steve/ From dom at latter.org Sat Sep 20 00:41:12 2008 From: dom at latter.org (Dom Latter) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:41:12 +0200 Subject: place to post about Software Freedom Day? In-Reply-To: <56652bc0809191506x4290b2ccud146c377ded31314@mail.gmail.com> References: <18732.142.104.193.193.1221823401.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> <200809192156.49360.dom@latter.org> <56652bc0809191506x4290b2ccud146c377ded31314@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809200041.13509.dom@latter.org> On Saturday 20 September 2008 00:06:22 Steve McConville wrote: > Are you looking at the 'idle chat' section? The 'cambridge events' Certainly am. > section has categories. It strikes me as a largely abandoned mid-90s > php custom codebase (like I used to write). FWIW I have a (buggy) Yep. One of the more baffling "features" is that the site doesn't record IP addresses when people send personal messages. (Maybe it just doesn't, ever). From nix at esperi.org.uk Sat Sep 20 19:18:02 2008 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:18:02 +0100 Subject: Ergonomic keyboards to borrow? In-Reply-To: (Magnus Therning's message of "Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:41:07 +0100") References: Message-ID: <873aju7n3p.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix> On 18 Sep 2008, Magnus Therning verbalised: > Is there anywhere in Cambridge I can turn to borrow or rent an > ergonomic keyboard before I go off spending my money? I'd be rather interested too: sometime soon, I'll have to survive for a few weeks without my Maltron while it's serviced. The problem is that good ergonomic keyboards are *expensive* (hundreds of quid) and not-good ones don't help at all. (Not for me, anyway.) From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 22:29:45 2008 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:29:45 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. Message-ID: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I'd just like to say it was good to meet all who were there in market square. I was quite surprised by the number of people who were wandering up and taking an interest even during the brief time I was there. Later in the afternoon I went into carphone warehouse, they do have those webbook machines set-up in every store running a full ubuntu OS.... again I was quite surprised. Later still I happened to be in John Lewis and was checking out the computer section as I tend to do. They have the Acer Aspire One for sale for the same price as the carphone warehouse webbooks. It is running Linpus which (apart from being an awful name) is pretty limited in terms of functionality. But they have a large harddisk and run on the intel atom processor rather than the via chip in webboks so I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem installing real linux OS installed. I was so shocked to find so many linux based laptops (netbooks) on sale on the high street. Sorry if this is old news to everyone else but it was an eyeopener for me. Anyway it'd be good to meet up and talk about geeky stuff, when is the next get together likely to be? -- Drew Fitzsimmons From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sat Sep 20 23:04:08 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:04:08 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 09:29:45PM +0100, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > I was so shocked to find so many linux based laptops (netbooks) on > sale on the high street. Sorry if this is old news to everyone else > but it was an eyeopener for me. Yeah it's the EeePC that did it. Before that there wasn't anything else, I don't think. From robert at cantab.net Sat Sep 20 23:35:35 2008 From: robert at cantab.net (Robert Schumann) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:35:35 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> Message-ID: Hi all, Well, SFD 08 came and went in Cambridge, and altogether I think it came and went very successfully. We were out in Market Square from 09h00 to 13h00 on a lovely sunny day (that's two in a row for SFD in Cambridge!). We handed out 50 Open Discs, around 80 Ubuntu CDs, and a sheaf of leaflets produced by Simon (in addition to luring kids over to come get balloons and stickers from us). People were very interested to see the webbooks, partly since they're such compact devices that people are curious to see if they really work... Thanks to Simon, Hazel, Wawrzek and Tom for contributing time and materials. Robert. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080920/497f7aab/attachment-0002.htm From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sat Sep 20 23:53:25 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:53:25 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> Message-ID: <20080920215325.GA4139@weber> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 10:35:35PM +0100, Robert Schumann wrote: > Thanks to Simon, Hazel, Wawrzek and Tom for contributing time and materials. Thanks very much Robert for organizing the event. Simon, Wawrzek and Hazel did most of the rest of the work. I just tagged along for a bit. Tom From hjenkins at uvic.ca Sun Sep 21 12:58:12 2008 From: hjenkins at uvic.ca (hjenkins) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 03:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Software Freedom Day Message-ID: <32850.142.104.193.193.1221994692.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Well, we gave away all 50 OpenDisks in the first two hours. I think that can be counted as a success. After I left with some CDs & leaflets and went to an 11am appointment, I walked up Mill Road with them. The pedestrians were all really rushed, so I tried stores. I hope this is legal. Notes: People walking past on the street are busy going somewhere. Store clerks in dead-quiet shops are bored stiff and really happy to talk to someone at length. Not one was uninterested (I skipped shops with customers). People in new-agey shops are suddenly all for you when you say "gift economy". People in low-profit-margin shops are REALLY interested. Part of an exchange with the owner/manager of an independent food shop, about a Ubuntu CD, ran something like this: "...This is an complete operating system..." "So this is like Windows?" "You can run a computer with it just like Windows...[summary of install]" "So, does this have all the Windows programs?" "No, but it has programs that do the same things. For instance, Open Office..." "And it's free?" "Yes, and you can make as many copies as you like." Thoughtful pause. "Thank you very much. I will try it." One owner in an internet cafe had heard of open-source and was delighted to have a Ubuntu CD. He photocopied my last leaflet and said that he was glad he'd talked to me. I gave away all my materials before 1 and got back to Market Square around 1:30. I really liked doing this. Giving things to people is fun. Is there any sort of student orientation/clubs fair that we could do this at? I'd volunteer to organize it. Things that would be nice for next time: A CLUG card Seperate explanation leaflets geared at private individuals and managers, with addresses for www.theopendisk.com etc.. The leaflet was great, but I got a lot of other questions too. Finally, since there seem to be no objections, I'll post CLUG on the sites that people have mentioned sometime this week. From db at davepress.net Sun Sep 21 13:03:39 2008 From: db at davepress.net (Dave Briggs) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:03:39 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <32850.142.104.193.193.1221994692.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> References: <32850.142.104.193.193.1221994692.squirrel@wm3.uvic.ca> Message-ID: This is great stuff, excellent to hear you had such a positive response. To make up CLUG cards, moo.com might be some good guys to try - they like to support stuff like this so could probably offer a discount. They do stickers etc too, which might be cool. Dave On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 11:58 AM, hjenkins wrote: > Well, we gave away all 50 OpenDisks in the first two hours. I think that > can be counted as a success. > > After I left with some CDs & leaflets and went to an 11am appointment, I > walked up Mill Road with them. The pedestrians were all really rushed, so > I tried stores. I hope this is legal. Notes: > > People walking past on the street are busy going somewhere. Store clerks > in dead-quiet shops are bored stiff and really happy to talk to someone at > length. Not one was uninterested (I skipped shops with customers). > > People in new-agey shops are suddenly all for you when you say "gift > economy". > > People in low-profit-margin shops are REALLY interested. Part of an > exchange with the owner/manager of an independent food shop, about a > Ubuntu CD, ran something like this: > "...This is an complete operating system..." > "So this is like Windows?" > "You can run a computer with it just like Windows...[summary of install]" > "So, does this have all the Windows programs?" > "No, but it has programs that do the same things. For instance, Open > Office..." > "And it's free?" > "Yes, and you can make as many copies as you like." > Thoughtful pause. > "Thank you very much. I will try it." > One owner in an internet cafe had heard of open-source and was delighted > to have a Ubuntu CD. He photocopied my last leaflet and said that he was > glad he'd talked to me. > > I gave away all my materials before 1 and got back to Market Square around > 1:30. > > I really liked doing this. Giving things to people is fun. Is there any > sort of student orientation/clubs fair that we could do this at? I'd > volunteer to organize it. > > Things that would be nice for next time: > A CLUG card > Seperate explanation leaflets geared at private individuals and managers, > with addresses for www.theopendisk.com etc.. The leaflet was great, but I > got a lot of other questions too. > > Finally, since there seem to be no objections, I'll post CLUG on the sites > that people have mentioned sometime this week. > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Dave Briggs db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From db at davepress.net Sun Sep 21 13:14:47 2008 From: db at davepress.net (Dave Briggs) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:14:47 +0100 Subject: website Message-ID: Hi all What's the status of the CLUG website at the moment? Seems the latest news item was back in 2006. I think there's plenty that could be done with it, maybe some more regular newsy bits, aggregating stuff of various websites could happen too. Happy to take this on, if nobody minds? Cheers -- Dave Briggs db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 16:57:55 2008 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:57:55 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I went to the website last night and tried to create a members account. Either I'm being really stupid (this is entirely possible) or something is broken. It didn't seem to want to work at all. When you click register it just clears the form and nothing happens. I was also wondering how many of the people on this list have a blog. Might it be possible to turn part of the website into a "planet" to aggregate content from blogs? It would rely on people's blogs being at least slightly relevant to local events or free software..... Just a thought. Drew On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Dave Briggs wrote: > Hi all > > What's the status of the CLUG website at the moment? Seems the latest > news item was back in 2006. > > I think there's plenty that could be done with it, maybe some more > regular newsy bits, aggregating stuff of various websites could happen > too. > > Happy to take this on, if nobody minds? > > Cheers > > -- > Dave Briggs > db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Drew Fitzsimmons From db at davepress.net Sun Sep 21 17:02:31 2008 From: db at davepress.net (Dave Briggs) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:02:31 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Good ideas Drew. I was thinking along the lines of something very simple, using wordpress probably, with some information about the group on the main pages, then a blog made up of aggregating everyone else's posts, just as you mentioned. It might also be worth having a wiki too, on a subdomain or something, where resources could be pulled together. I could probably throw it together in a couple of hours if people are interested, and am self employed so could find the time to maintain it too (probably :-)) Dave On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: > Hi, > I went to the website last night and tried to create a members > account. Either I'm being really stupid (this is entirely possible) or > something is broken. It didn't seem to want to work at all. > > When you click register it just clears the form and nothing happens. > > I was also wondering how many of the people on this list have a blog. > Might it be possible to turn part of the website into a "planet" to > aggregate content from blogs? > > It would rely on people's blogs being at least slightly relevant to > local events or free software..... Just a thought. > > Drew > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Dave Briggs wrote: >> Hi all >> >> What's the status of the CLUG website at the moment? Seems the latest >> news item was back in 2006. >> >> I think there's plenty that could be done with it, maybe some more >> regular newsy bits, aggregating stuff of various websites could happen >> too. >> >> Happy to take this on, if nobody minds? >> >> Cheers >> >> -- >> Dave Briggs >> db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug at cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> > > > > -- > Drew Fitzsimmons > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Dave Briggs db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 17:17:25 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:17:25 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Guys, Please check the archive of the list. This topic comebacks from time to time. Last time we agreed the we would like to have a static website with most important infos and link to wiki. Blogs Planet is also great idea (if someone would made one ;). My last try (let call it Millstone 2) is available here: http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ The source are without licence but do not hesitate to use it. There are few issue which need to be address: Map - someone suggested taking image from OpenStreet which is great I even try to do this, by CB2 is missing from on the OpenStreet. Anyone willing to add it? Language - I grab the text from mailing list and even haven't push it trough spell checker. I'm also think that website look&feel may be improve, but it should be hard to do (if you have skills) as I divided website to many div and other html tags. Regards, Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From db at davepress.net Sun Sep 21 17:23:29 2008 From: db at davepress.net (Dave Briggs) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:23:29 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I did have a check of the archives but it's pretty time consuming tracking down individual topics there! So am I right in assuming that it's a issue regularly raised but about which nothing is ever actually done? I'd be happy throwing something together, then it would just be a case of pointing the URLs in the right direction. Who controls the URLs? As I said, i am perfectly happy to put something together in WordPress and a wiki, I just don't want to start it if people aren't agreed that it should be done, if that makes sense? As well as aggregating member blogs, it would also be nice to aggregate stuff like delicious bookmarks, photos, video etc, if we agree on a group tag - maybe camlug or something? Dave On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Please check the archive of the list. This topic comebacks from time to time. > > Last time we agreed the we would like to have a static website with > most important infos and link to wiki. Blogs Planet is also great > idea (if someone would made one ;). > > My last try (let call it Millstone 2) is available here: > > http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ > > The source are without licence but do not hesitate to use it. > > There are few issue which need to be address: > > Map - someone suggested taking image from OpenStreet which is great I > even try to do this, by CB2 is missing from on the OpenStreet. Anyone > willing to add it? > Language - I grab the text from mailing list and even haven't push it > trough spell checker. > > I'm also think that website look&feel may be improve, but it should > be hard to do (if you have skills) as I divided website to many div > and other html tags. > > Regards, > Wawrzek > -- > Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN > Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com > PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name > MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Dave Briggs db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From will.pink at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 17:27:44 2008 From: will.pink at gmail.com (william pink) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:27:44 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Sounds ideal, I definitely feel a CMS would be the most beneficial and perhaps a great deal easier to add content with a broader range of functionality. W On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Dave Briggs wrote: > I did have a check of the archives but it's pretty time consuming > tracking down individual topics there! > > So am I right in assuming that it's a issue regularly raised but about > which nothing is ever actually done? I'd be happy throwing something > together, then it would just be a case of pointing the URLs in the > right direction. Who controls the URLs? > > As I said, i am perfectly happy to put something together in WordPress > and a wiki, I just don't want to start it if people aren't agreed that > it should be done, if that makes sense? > > As well as aggregating member blogs, it would also be nice to > aggregate stuff like delicious bookmarks, photos, video etc, if we > agree on a group tag - maybe camlug or something? > > Dave > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski > wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > > > Please check the archive of the list. This topic comebacks from time to > time. > > > > Last time we agreed the we would like to have a static website with > > most important infos and link to wiki. Blogs Planet is also great > > idea (if someone would made one ;). > > > > My last try (let call it Millstone 2) is available here: > > > > http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ > > > > The source are without licence but do not hesitate to use it. > > > > There are few issue which need to be address: > > > > Map - someone suggested taking image from OpenStreet which is great I > > even try to do this, by CB2 is missing from on the OpenStreet. Anyone > > willing to add it? > > Language - I grab the text from mailing list and even haven't push it > > trough spell checker. > > > > I'm also think that website look&feel may be improve, but it should > > be hard to do (if you have skills) as I divided website to many div > > and other html tags. > > > > Regards, > > Wawrzek > > -- > > Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN > > Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com > > PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name > > MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl > > _______________________________________________ > > CLUG mailing list > > clug at cambridge-lug.org > > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > > > > > -- > Dave Briggs > db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) > > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080921/2986f6cf/attachment-0002.htm From db at davepress.net Sun Sep 21 21:18:44 2008 From: db at davepress.net (Dave Briggs) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:18:44 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I've made a start: http://davedev.org/clug/ - using WordPress and hacking a pre-existing theme. For some reason when doing the logo I called it CamLUG rather than clug - will change tomorrow. If anyone has any photos, maybe of CLUG events that could be used on the home page, do chuck them my way. At the moment the blog bit of the site is set up as 'latest news' which could report on the latest meetings, events, etc - so could act as a group blog. The other option is to use something like FeedWordPress to aggregate other people's blogs into it. If we don't choose to do the latter then I was going to build some sort of planet arrangement elsewhere on the site, linked to from the homepage. There is also a wiki, linked to from the homepage. I've just used PMwiki which doesn't require a login, just a password. We could use this to house various resources, member biogs etc. Do let me know what you all think. Is this heading the right way, in your view? Dave On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:27 PM, william pink wrote: > Sounds ideal, I definitely feel a CMS would be the most beneficial and > perhaps a great deal easier to add content with a broader range of > functionality. > > W > > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Dave Briggs wrote: >> >> I did have a check of the archives but it's pretty time consuming >> tracking down individual topics there! >> >> So am I right in assuming that it's a issue regularly raised but about >> which nothing is ever actually done? I'd be happy throwing something >> together, then it would just be a case of pointing the URLs in the >> right direction. Who controls the URLs? >> >> As I said, i am perfectly happy to put something together in WordPress >> and a wiki, I just don't want to start it if people aren't agreed that >> it should be done, if that makes sense? >> >> As well as aggregating member blogs, it would also be nice to >> aggregate stuff like delicious bookmarks, photos, video etc, if we >> agree on a group tag - maybe camlug or something? >> >> Dave >> >> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski >> wrote: >> > Hi Guys, >> > >> > Please check the archive of the list. This topic comebacks from time to >> > time. >> > >> > Last time we agreed the we would like to have a static website with >> > most important infos and link to wiki. Blogs Planet is also great >> > idea (if someone would made one ;). >> > >> > My last try (let call it Millstone 2) is available here: >> > >> > http://wawrzek.name/CamLUG/ >> > >> > The source are without licence but do not hesitate to use it. >> > >> > There are few issue which need to be address: >> > >> > Map - someone suggested taking image from OpenStreet which is great I >> > even try to do this, by CB2 is missing from on the OpenStreet. Anyone >> > willing to add it? >> > Language - I grab the text from mailing list and even haven't push it >> > trough spell checker. >> > >> > I'm also think that website look&feel may be improve, but it should >> > be hard to do (if you have skills) as I divided website to many div >> > and other html tags. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Wawrzek >> > -- >> > Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN >> > Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com >> > PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name >> > MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl >> > _______________________________________________ >> > CLUG mailing list >> > clug at cambridge-lug.org >> > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Dave Briggs >> db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CLUG mailing list >> clug at cambridge-lug.org >> Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org >> > > -- Dave Briggs db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Sun Sep 21 21:26:19 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:26:19 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080921192619.GA15691@weber> On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 08:18:44PM +0100, Dave Briggs wrote: > Do let me know what you all think. Is this heading the right way, in your view? I think we need a static front page with links to a Wiki. Then those with the time and desire can add whatever content they like. Your design and photos look nice. Tom From db at davepress.net Sun Sep 21 21:32:31 2008 From: db at davepress.net (Dave Briggs) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:32:31 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <20080921192619.GA15691@weber> References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> <20080921192619.GA15691@weber> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Tom Ellis wrote: > I think we need a static front page with links to a Wiki. Then those with > the time and desire can add whatever content they like. I think that is more or less what we have, only that the 'static page' is in WordPress and so is easily updated. > Your design and photos look nice. Well, not really my design (am basing it on another theme) but thanks! -- Dave Briggs db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From wawrzek at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 23:37:25 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:37:25 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Dave Briggs wrote: > I've made a start: http://davedev.org/clug/ - using WordPress and > hacking a pre-existing theme. > I'm glad that you take care about webpage. Looks fine for me. Suggestion - add "Mailing list" link on the top toolbar. - maybe change colours a bit - add somewhere link to CamLUG group on LinkedIN (http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=157695) > For some reason when doing the logo I called it CamLUG rather than > clug - will change tomorrow. [...] I prefer CamLUG. - LUG may be everywhere, Cam-LUG only next to Cam river. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From bnicolson at ippimail.com Mon Sep 22 09:52:11 2008 From: bnicolson at ippimail.com (bnicolson at ippimail.com) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:52:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39090.82.16.102.233.1222069931.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> Others on here will have a better understanding of the technicalites but just to look at it's a big improvement on the current site. It's not as 'busy' and it won't date.? Bev. -- Email and shopping with the feelgood factor! 55% of income to good causes. http://www.ippimail.com From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Mon Sep 22 10:27:09 2008 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:27:09 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com><20080920210408.GA2996@weber> Message-ID: I just wanted to add my thanks to Robert for organising this. We were generally very well received once people realised we weren't trying to sell stuff to them. We even had one guy who took the CDs and then came back 5mins later and tried to give us money for them! More and more people seem to be aware of free software and linux and hopefully the proliferation of netbooks will raise its profile even more. Suggestions for next year: 1) Helium balloons! 2) Some cards advertising the CLUG 3) A big sign saying what we're doing which people can read from a distance so they're not afraid to come closer (we saw lots of people crossing the road to get away from us). Simon. PS Robert - any chance you can email me a copy of the photo(s) you took? They'd probably be a good addition to the new website which seems to be emerging as well. > From: Robert Schumann > Sent: 20 September 2008 22:36 > To: clug at cambridge-lug.org > Subject: Re: Software Freedom Day and laptops. > > > Hi all, > > Well, SFD 08 came and went in Cambridge, and altogether I > think it came and went very successfully. We were out in > Market Square from 09h00 to 13h00 on a lovely sunny day > (that's two in a row for SFD in Cambridge!). > > We handed out 50 Open Discs, around 80 Ubuntu CDs, and a > sheaf of leaflets produced by Simon (in addition to luring > kids over to come get balloons and stickers from us). People > were very interested to see the webbooks, partly since they're > such compact devices that people are curious to see if they > really work... > > Thanks to Simon, Hazel, Wawrzek and Tom for contributing time > and materials. > > Robert. > From wawrzek at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 10:42:47 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:42:47 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 9:27 AM, simon andrews (BI) wrote: > PS Robert - any chance you can email me a copy of the photo(s) you took? > They'd probably be a good addition to the new website which seems to be > emerging as well. And a copy of the Free Software leaflet you made. Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From marcus at quintic.co.uk Mon Sep 22 11:03:52 2008 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:03:52 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222073616-sup-1816@stampy> On 21.9.2008, Dave Briggs wrote: > I've made a start: http://davedev.org/clug/ - using WordPress and > hacking a pre-existing theme. I like this as a start - I ended up being buried at work so never managed to get off my a**e to put wordpress together like I said I would :( It would be nicer if we could get the wiki to look more like the wordpress theme you're using, but thats just aesthetics. The frontpage is good. Like we have discussed on here a few times it only needs to say about the meetings and the mailing list. Personally I think you could drop the Latest News if its going to be a feed to some tech news. I wouldnt go to the camlug site to get my fix, I'd be looking for more specific stuff. Marcus From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Mon Sep 22 11:22:20 2008 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:22:20 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> Message-ID: <4126b3450809220222i3718711ftd937d203dc888b9e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/22 simon andrews (BI) > Suggestions for next year: > > 1) Helium balloons! > > 2) Some cards advertising the CLUG > > 3) A big sign saying what we're doing which people can read from a > distance so they're not afraid to come closer (we saw lots of people > crossing the road to get away from us). > I wasn't able to come, but I've been following the thread on the list. I think the 3G dongles were an excellent idea, so I'd add: 4) Some means of giving internet connectivity to any netbooks, laptops, etc that people have brought along. Congrats to all you folks who set up and ran the stall! Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080922/5676c25c/attachment-0003.htm From mark_w at techie.com Mon Sep 22 12:23:26 2008 From: mark_w at techie.com (Mark Wyatt) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:23:26 +0000 Subject: website Message-ID: <20080922102326.798131BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:18:44 +0100 > From: "Dave Briggs" > Subject: Re: website > To: "william pink" > Cc: clug at cambridge-lug.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I've made a start: http://davedev.org/clug/ - using WordPress and > hacking a pre-existing theme. > > For some reason when doing the logo I called it CamLUG rather than > clug - will change tomorrow. If anyone has any photos, maybe of CLUG > events that could be used on the home page, do chuck them my way. > > At the moment the blog bit of the site is set up as 'latest news' > which could report on the latest meetings, events, etc - so could act > as a group blog. The other option is to use something like > FeedWordPress to aggregate other people's blogs into it. > I'd drop 'latest news'; historically, we have been poor at keeping latest news filled with anything that resembles 'news' in the commonly used meaning and news from years ago just makes this look like an abandoned website. (Unless maybe anyone fancies doing some kind of 'mashup'/agregation from existing news sources. I think we'd cope with that. I suspect though that for most that would duplicate stuff they have already as RSS feeds) My preference would be to use the space for static links to useful foss sites (tldp seems like the most obvious, but any sites where there are good tutorials and howtos would seem better than having rtfm questions posted to the list and I'd add distrowatch for a site that has actual news). > If we don't choose to do the latter then I was going to build some > sort of planet arrangement elsewhere on the site, linked to from the > homepage. > > There is also a wiki, linked to from the homepage. I've just used > PMwiki which doesn't require a login, just a password. We could use > this to house various resources, member biogs etc. > > Do let me know what you all think. Is this heading the right way, > in your view? > > Dave This is absolutely heading in the right direction, imho. And an rss news feed? Would that have the same problem that the site news has always had (bad, or at least, not really an advantage) or be a replacement for / enhancement to the 'daily digest' form of the clug mailinglist (good)? An exact postcode for CB2 would be a good addition for anyone who intends to find the place via sat nav. CB1 2LD acording to http://www.cb2bistro.com/ and you might have expected, from the name, that to be a CB2 postcode.... "in the center of Cambridge city every Sunday at 1pm"; its not every Sunday, anymore and the Cafe isn't really in the cntre of Cambridge City: I know this a lift from the existing website, but the fact that the existing site isn't ideal is where we came in. In addition this link to the CB2 website is broken. While, practically, the group has always primarily been a Linux group, although nominally a FOSS group, is the prominence of tux without qualifying comments, a bit much? You could add a BSD Daemon, but wouldn't that just lead to a gradual proliferation of FOSS logos (Apache, Debian, KDE, Gnome,....)? Perhaps it would be better away from the front page where there would be space for an explanation of the wide world of FOSS. I'm not sure, what do others think? -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com From simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk Mon Sep 22 12:41:58 2008 From: simon.andrews at bbsrc.ac.uk (simon andrews (BI)) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:41:58 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: <4126b3450809220222i3718711ftd937d203dc888b9e@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> <4126b3450809220222i3718711ftd937d203dc888b9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > From: sampablokuper at googlemail.com > > 4) Some means of giving internet connectivity > to any netbooks, laptops, etc that people have brought along. > > Congrats to all you folks who set up and ran the stall! Actually I'm not sure that would have made much difference. Laptop displays still suck for use outside, and pretty much everyone who came to the stall only stayed for a minute or so. I'd think that having a more functional CLUG website with links to places to find out more information about linux/free software will be more useful than trying to get people to look at stuff whilst you're there. I'm not suggesting noone should bring a 3G dongle, just that it may not make much difference to getting people interested. Simon. From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Mon Sep 22 13:02:30 2008 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:02:30 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> <4126b3450809220222i3718711ftd937d203dc888b9e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450809220402h6e774f64o640be0e94167a47b@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/22 simon andrews (BI) > Laptop > displays still suck for use outside, and pretty much everyone who came > to the stall only stayed for a minute or so. If we could get hold of some XOs, that would solve the first problem. If we let people's kids play with them, that might solve the second problem. Does anyone on the list have an XO-1? I'd think that having a more functional CLUG website with links to > places to find out more information about linux/free software will be > more useful than trying to get people to look at stuff whilst you're > there. A plurality of approaches might be best. I'm not sure that showing stall visitors the CLUG web site would be terribly effective, but one nice thing about having web access is that if people want to check their Hotmail or whatever while they're at the stall, they can do so, and would be able to see that open OSes make this just as practical as closed ones do. Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080922/6c31e892/attachment-0003.htm From db at davepress.net Mon Sep 22 13:04:48 2008 From: db at davepress.net (Dave Briggs) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:04:48 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: <4126b3450809220402h6e774f64o640be0e94167a47b@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> <4126b3450809220222i3718711ftd937d203dc888b9e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450809220402h6e774f64o640be0e94167a47b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Sam Kuper wrote: > A plurality of approaches might be best. I'm not sure that showing stall > visitors the CLUG web site would be terribly effective, The advantage of having the website would be so that people could take a card with the URL on it home and read about stuff at their leisure, I guess. -- Dave Briggs db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Mon Sep 22 13:10:17 2008 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:10:17 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> <20080920210408.GA2996@weber> <4126b3450809220222i3718711ftd937d203dc888b9e@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450809220402h6e774f64o640be0e94167a47b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450809220410t3db2d5e0re6f8194f0ecca7e8@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/22 Dave Briggs > The advantage of having the website would be so that people could take > a card with the URL on it home and read about stuff at their leisure, > I guess. > Very much so - and so that others could discover the group online. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080922/99e1d7af/attachment-0003.htm From hjenkins at uvic.ca Mon Sep 22 13:56:02 2008 From: hjenkins at uvic.ca (Hazel L. H. Jenkins) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 05:56:02 -0600 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809220556.02594.hjenkins@uvic.ca> > Suggestions for next year: > > 1) Helium balloons! Not as keen on this; limited resource, at least until ITER and DEMO get their act together and we get commercial fusion power :-). I guess they're fun. Maybe something a little longer-lived? It would be nice to give something to the younger lot; we seemed to be giving software exclusively to adults. Market Square may not be the best place to find school-age people, though. > 3) A big sign saying what we're doing which people can read from a > distance so they're not afraid to come closer (we saw lots of people > crossing the road to get away from us). How about a screen and a projector, hooked to one of the laptops? Power might be a problem, but the film fest people manage it. Maybe we could borrow something? From magnus at therning.org Mon Sep 22 14:23:55 2008 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:23:55 +0100 Subject: Interesting post Message-ID: http://etbe.coker.com.au/2008/09/22/things-you-can-do-for-your-lug/ /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Mon Sep 22 14:24:36 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:24:36 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <20080922102326.798131BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080922102326.798131BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <20080922122436.GA3960@weber> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:23:26AM +0000, Mark Wyatt wrote: > I'd drop 'latest news'; historically, we have been poor at keeping latest > news filled with anything that resembles 'news' in the commonly used > meaning and news from years ago just makes this look like an abandoned > website. I don't think there should be anything on the front page that ever requires updating. Just have links to appropriate sections of the wiki and people can update it as they see fit. Tom From wawrzek at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 14:46:38 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:46:38 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Drew Fitzsimmons wrote: [...] I was so shocked to find so many linux based laptops (netbooks) on > sale on the high street. Sorry if this is old news to everyone else > but it was an eyeopener for me. > I guess that Asus in Toys R Us is the cheapest one at the moment: http://www.toysrus.co.uk/Category.aspx/TruHome/TruComputers/TruComputersLaptop?ref=TruHome%2fTruComputers However in theory the chepest should be this one: http://www.elonexone.co.uk/ Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk Mon Sep 22 17:29:53 2008 From: paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:29:53 +0100 Subject: Software Freedom Day and laptops. In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809201329y29a7b651r562a59e26da11a16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D7B9F1.7050105@mansfield.co.uk> Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > I guess that Asus in Toys R Us is the cheapest one at the moment: > > http://www.toysrus.co.uk/Category.aspx/TruHome/TruComputers/TruComputersLaptop?ref=TruHome%2fTruComputers expansys have been selling off a variety of eee's. pcworld have various eee's, the acer and the MSI, so you can get your hands on them to see how good they are. From wawrzek at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 01:51:48 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:51:48 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <20080922122436.GA3960@weber> References: <20080922102326.798131BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> <20080922122436.GA3960@weber> Message-ID: Hi, One more thing. May I suggest to have at least two people with admin privileges (and some WordPress experience). Roman have good idea with having two consuls. Regards, Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From db at davepress.net Tue Sep 23 10:52:45 2008 From: db at davepress.net (Dave Briggs) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:52:45 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <20080922102326.798131BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> <20080922122436.GA3960@weber> Message-ID: Great suggestions, everyone. Will put some more work into finishing the site off. If anyone wants to volunteer to be an admin on the site, just yell. Dave On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi, > > One more thing. May I suggest to have at least two people with admin > privileges (and some WordPress experience). Roman have good idea with > having two consuls. > > Regards, > Wawrzek > -- > Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN > Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com > PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name > MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > -- Dave Briggs db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk Tue Sep 23 15:02:15 2008 From: paul-clug at mansfield.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:02:15 +0100 Subject: list admin - problem with autoconfirm link Message-ID: <48D8E8D7.8080003@mansfield.co.uk> list admin, please fix the system, when I click the long link below it STILL says Bad confirmation string Invalid confirmation string: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Note that confirmation strings expire approximately 3 days after the initial subscription request. If your confirmation has expired, please try to re-submit your subscription. Otherwise, re-enter your confirmation string. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: confirm xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:34:23 +0200 From: clug-request at cambridge-lug.org Your membership in the mailing list CLUG has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 22-Sep-2008. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted. To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at http://lists.infowares.com/cgi-bin/confirm/clug/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From bnicolson at ippimail.com Tue Sep 23 18:18:20 2008 From: bnicolson at ippimail.com (bnicolson at ippimail.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:18:20 +0100 (BST) Subject: Open Source gets into schools Message-ID: <55328.82.16.102.233.1222186700.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> I thought people might find this encouraging. :?) http://tinyurl.com/48jduv Bev. -- Email and shopping with the feelgood factor! 55% of income to good causes. http://www.ippimail.com From magnus at therning.org Wed Sep 24 00:08:24 2008 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:08:24 +0100 Subject: Open Source gets into schools In-Reply-To: <55328.82.16.102.233.1222186700.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> References: <55328.82.16.102.233.1222186700.squirrel@www.ippimail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:18 PM, wrote: > > I thought people might find this encouraging. > :?) > http://tinyurl.com/48jduv About time that happens I'd say. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From marcus at quintic.co.uk Wed Sep 24 10:43:26 2008 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:43:26 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <20080922102326.798131BF28D@ws1-10.us4.outblaze.com> <20080922122436.GA3960@weber> Message-ID: <1222245348-sup-3127@stampy> On 23.9.2008, Dave Briggs wrote: > Great suggestions, everyone. Will put some more work into finishing > the site off. If anyone wants to volunteer to be an admin on the site, > just yell. Another one - the theme you're basing the site on is a premium/paid for wordpress theme, does that mean you own a copy of it (which the license then allows you to use elsewhere) or have permission to use it? Marcus From magnus at therning.org Wed Sep 24 11:47:08 2008 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:47:08 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Dave Briggs wrote: > I've made a start: http://davedev.org/clug/ - using WordPress and > hacking a pre-existing theme. > [..] > If we don't choose to do the latter then I was going to build some > sort of planet arrangement elsewhere on the site, linked to from the > homepage. > > There is also a wiki, linked to from the homepage. I've just used > PMwiki which doesn't require a login, just a password. We could use > this to house various resources, member biogs etc. > > Do let me know what you all think. Is this heading the right way, in your view? It's a vast improvment on what we have ATM. Please bring CamLUG into the naughties :-) I think much of this has been said earlier in the thread, but here are my comments: 1. Drop the news. We've been bad at posting CamLUG specific things, and even worse at posting general Linux-related news. 2. The idea of a planet is interesting, how many people run blogs and would be interested in it? 3. I like the wiki. Could we get OpenID on it? 4. One thing that I did like with the old site, but which wasn't widely used, was the "attendance application" where I could let others know I intend to go to the next CamLUG meeting. Any thoughts on what we could have instead? (A wiki page per date would be the easiest, and perfectly acceptable.) /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From wawrzek at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 12:01:31 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:01:31 +0100 Subject: Blogs Message-ID: Hi, Please reply to this thread if you interested in adding your blog to the planet. http://larryn.blogspot.com - Wawrzek Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From sam.kuper at uclmail.net Wed Sep 24 12:33:51 2008 From: sam.kuper at uclmail.net (Sam Kuper) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:33:51 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <4126b3450809240333g5d89a60ah8ccfb8ac577b92da@mail.gmail.com> References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450809240333g5d89a60ah8ccfb8ac577b92da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4126b3450809240333k5c5fe63bu643d6c29f7f7cea6@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/24 Magnus Therning > On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Dave Briggs wrote:> > There is also a wiki, linked to from the homepage. I've just used > > PMwiki which doesn't require a login, just a password. We could use > > this to house various resources, member biogs etc. > I haven't used PMwiki previously. Spambots are always a concern on wikis. The way you've set it up actually looks like it will be fairly hard for spambots to spam; have you used this sort of set-up (password easily visible, but inline with other text and therefore hard for bots to parse out) before, and does it reliably keep spambots out? If not, can other countermeasures (ReCAPTCHA, etc.) be easily deployed to PMwiki? If not, how would you feel about using MediaWiki or suchlike instead? > 2. The idea of a planet is interesting, how many people run blogs and > would be interested in it? I use del.icio.us for bookmarking. When I bookmark something related to Linux, I'm happy to tag it "clug". > 3. I like the wiki. Could we get OpenID on it? Ditto. > 4. One thing that I did like with the old site, but which wasn't > widely used, was the "attendance application" where I could let others > know I intend to go to the next CamLUG meeting. Any thoughts on what > we could have instead? I expect WordPress has "event calendar" plug-ins for this sort of thing? Joomla certainly has them, and Joomla plug-ins get ported to WordPress... All best, Sam -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cambridge Refresh, http://www.refreshcambridge.org simply uses http://upcoming.org for this (though right now next month's event hasn't yet been put up there by Matthew). Jonathan -- From magnus at therning.org Wed Sep 24 14:30:03 2008 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:30:03 +0100 Subject: Blogs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi, > > Please reply to this thread if you interested in adding your blog to the planet. > > http://larryn.blogspot.com - Wawrzek http://therning.org/magnus /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus?therning?org Jabber: magnus?therning?org http://therning.org/magnus identi.ca|twitter: magthe From wawrzek at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 14:52:08 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Wawrzyniec_Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:52:08 +0100 Subject: Many-Core Computing Workshop Message-ID: I've just found this info. Might be interesting for some of you: http://www.escience.cam.ac.uk/many-core.html Regards, Wawrzek -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl From alastair at altrux.me.uk Wed Sep 24 19:13:37 2008 From: alastair at altrux.me.uk (Alastair Stevens) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:13:37 +0100 Subject: Blogs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4536e91b0809241013x48389854l228ccf23ebd35d95@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Please reply to this thread if you interested in adding your blog to the > planet. > > > > http://larryn.blogspot.com - Wawrzek > http://www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html -- ======================================== ALASTAIR STEVENS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/attachments/20080924/972a2046/attachment-0003.htm From kzar at kzar.co.uk Wed Sep 24 23:11:56 2008 From: kzar at kzar.co.uk (David Barker) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:11:56 +0100 (BST) Subject: Blogs In-Reply-To: <4536e91b0809241013x48389854l228ccf23ebd35d95@mail.gmail.com> References: <4536e91b0809241013x48389854l228ccf23ebd35d95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <52412.192.9.200.97.1222290716.squirrel@starbug> http://kzar.co.uk/blog - Dave. > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza??ski > >> wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > Please reply to this thread if you interested in adding your blog to >> the >> planet. >> > >> > http://larryn.blogspot.com - Wawrzek >> > > > http://www.altrux.me.uk/blog.html > > -- > ======================================== > ALASTAIR STEVENS > _______________________________________________ > CLUG mailing list > clug at cambridge-lug.org > Website: http://www.cambridge-lug.org > From db at davepress.net Wed Sep 24 23:23:36 2008 From: db at davepress.net (Dave Briggs) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:23:36 +0100 Subject: website In-Reply-To: <1BA35008-CBED-4AF8-9BCD-9D6C8A620B8B@ytko.com> References: <126d63860809210757r650aa424m50695c573f485d4@mail.gmail.com> <7891dd830809210827q11b10981x7089d60eb48d2585@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450809240333g5d89a60ah8ccfb8ac577b92da@mail.gmail.com> <4126b3450809240333k5c5fe63bu643d6c29f7f7cea6@mail.gmail.com> <1BA35008-CBED-4AF8-9BCD-9D6C8A620B8B@ytko.com> Message-ID: Few queries on the site and stuff, will try and answer them all... 1. The theme - yes, it's a premium one, but I have purchased a developers use-it-as-many-times-as-you-like licence 2. PMwiki - the inline password works well on other wikis I have managed in the past. I sometimes think MediaWiki is a bit overblown for our basic needs, and also it generally means another username and password, etc. If spam ever does become a problem, the password could be changed on a regular basis, maybe. 3. Events list - will look into it. Embedding UpComing is one way, but requires everyone to have an account there. One way round it might be just to have a page on the wiki for each meeting where people can put their names down if they are planning on attending. 4. I think tagging stuff in delicious, flickr etc could work really well. Maybe the feed from that could fill in the blank space on the homepage. 5. People have been emailing their blog URLs for a Planet. Shall I build this too? No problem if so, but if anyone else wants to... Cheers Dave -- Dave Briggs db at davepress.net | http://davepress.net | 07525 209589 (Mobile) From drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 00:08:37 2008 From: drewfitzsimmons at gmail.com (Drew Fitzsimmons) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:08:37 +0100 Subject: Blogs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <126d63860809241508u39348117k244cbd728928bcf9@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski wrote: > Hi, > > Please reply to this thread if you interested in adding your blog to the planet. > > http://larryn.blogspot.com - Wawrzek > > Wawrzek http://passthejager.org/blog/ -- Drew Fitzsimmons From clug at gasops.co.uk Thu Sep 25 15:27:39 2008 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:27:39 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim Message-ID: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> I can use -a "From: foo at bar" as an option to /usr/bin/mail but the return-path (envelope sender) on outbound emails is of the form user at mailname. For some reason a system I mail ignores the From address and wants to reply to the return-path address despite there being no Sender header present and the From being valid and deliverable. What solutions are there? From tehpeh at gmx.net Thu Sep 25 15:36:09 2008 From: tehpeh at gmx.net (Thomas Pircher) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:36:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: Longman wrote: > For some reason a system I mail ignores the From address > and wants to reply to the return-path address despite there being no > Sender header present and the From being valid and deliverable. This is IMHO the correct behaviour. You can write whatever you like in the From: field, but it is harder to lie in the envelope-from, if you are not the postmaster. > What solutions are there? You can override the address on a per-user basis in /etc/email-addresses. At the moment I don't have access to an exim installation, but I think the syntax is the same as in /etc/aliases: user: email at example.com I'm sure you can address-rewrite the envelope-from to your hearts delight, but I'm not very experienced in this and can't thus help. Thomas From marcus at quintic.co.uk Thu Sep 25 15:36:59 2008 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:36:59 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <1222349651-sup-5046@stampy> On 25.9.2008, Longman wrote: > I can use -a "From: foo at bar" as an option to /usr/bin/mail but the > return-path (envelope sender) on outbound emails is of the form > user at mailname. For some reason a system I mail ignores the From address > and wants to reply to the return-path address despite there being no > Sender header present and the From being valid and deliverable. > > What solutions are there? I think mail supports passing on args to sendmail using: mail -s "subject" recipient at domain -a "From: myname at domain" -- -f returnpath at domain Not sure if it will work in your case. Marcus From clug at gasops.co.uk Thu Sep 25 15:45:21 2008 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:45:21 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <1222349651-sup-5046@stampy> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <1222349651-sup-5046@stampy> Message-ID: <48DB95F1.6000203@gasops.co.uk> * Marcus Williams wrote: > I think mail supports passing on args to sendmail using: I know sendmail has the -f option but this reads from a file on an exim based system. :-S From clug at gasops.co.uk Thu Sep 25 15:47:54 2008 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:47:54 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <48DB968A.5090000@gasops.co.uk> * Thomas Pircher wrote: > Longman wrote: >> For some reason a system I mail ignores the From address >> and wants to reply to the return-path address despite there being no >> Sender header present and the From being valid and deliverable. > > This is IMHO the correct behaviour. You can write whatever you like in the > From: field, but it is harder to lie in the envelope-from, if you are not > the postmaster. Is it correct behaviour for a system to say it was received from the address cited in the return-path as opposed to the one in the From? >> What solutions are there? > > You can override the address on a per-user basis in /etc/email-addresses. > At the moment I don't have access to an exim installation, but I think the > syntax is the same as in /etc/aliases: > user: email at example.com I shall look into this email-addresses thingamajig. Thanks :) From tehpeh at gmx.net Thu Sep 25 16:07:11 2008 From: tehpeh at gmx.net (Thomas Pircher) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:07:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <48DB968A.5090000@gasops.co.uk> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <48DB968A.5090000@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <592db13f0b4d1437277d77845bc6e03b.squirrel@www.tty1.net> Longman wrote: > Is it correct behaviour for a system to say it was received from the > address cited in the return-path as opposed to the one in the From? As I understand it, the return-path is only used by MTAs to send error notifications. For example your MTA receives a mail from the clug mailing list with in the From: field. If your MTA is not able to deliver the mail to you for some reason, I don't want to be notified for this, but clug's Mailman might. In this case it makes sense to have From: and return-path different. Or do you mean if the return path can show up in the mail user agent? I think the return path generally thrown away as soon as the mail is successfully delivered. Thomas From tehpeh at gmx.net Thu Sep 25 16:11:35 2008 From: tehpeh at gmx.net (Thomas Pircher) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:11:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <592db13f0b4d1437277d77845bc6e03b.squirrel@www.tty1.net> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <48DB968A.5090000@gasops.co.uk> <592db13f0b4d1437277d77845bc6e03b.squirrel@www.tty1.net> Message-ID: Longman wrote: > For some reason a system I mail ignores the From address > and wants to reply to the return-path address despite there being no > Sender header present and the From being valid and deliverable. Ups, I think I have misunderstood you. Do you mean the user on the other side presses the "reply" button and his mail program takes the return-path instead of the From: address? Maybe the solution is as simple as setting the Reply-To: header? Thomas From marcus at quintic.co.uk Fri Sep 26 10:26:44 2008 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:26:44 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <48DB95F1.6000203@gasops.co.uk> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <1222349651-sup-5046@stampy> <48DB95F1.6000203@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <1222417302-sup-7290@stampy> On 25.9.2008, Longman wrote: > > I think mail supports passing on args to sendmail using: > > I know sendmail has the -f option but this reads from a file on an exim > based system. :-S Not according to my exim manpage :) Note the double dash in the command line, this makes the -f argument get passed through to sendmail (or equivalent). Without it you're passing -f to mail which does indeed read a fil?... Marcus From clug at gasops.co.uk Fri Sep 26 11:21:16 2008 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:21:16 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <1222417302-sup-7290@stampy> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <1222349651-sup-5046@stampy> <48DB95F1.6000203@gasops.co.uk> <1222417302-sup-7290@stampy> Message-ID: <48DCA98C.3080406@gasops.co.uk> * Marcus Williams wrote: > On 25.9.2008, Longman wrote: >>> I think mail supports passing on args to sendmail using: >> I know sendmail has the -f option but this reads from a file on an exim >> based system. :-S > > Not according to my exim manpage :) Note the double dash in the > command line, this makes the -f argument get passed through to sendmail > (or equivalent). Without it you're passing -f to mail which does > indeed read a fil?... Well I apologise kind sir! :-) I shall go re-read the man page and have a play (though I've got it working now so it's purely for academic purposes) From clug at gasops.co.uk Fri Sep 26 11:38:53 2008 From: clug at gasops.co.uk (Longman) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:38:53 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <48DB968A.5090000@gasops.co.uk> <592db13f0b4d1437277d77845bc6e03b.squirrel@www.tty1.net> Message-ID: <48DCADAD.7010200@gasops.co.uk> * Thomas Pircher wrote: > Ups, I think I have misunderstood you. Do you mean the user on the other > side presses the "reply" button and his mail program takes the return-path > instead of the From: address? Yes. Well it doesn't actually reply per se. I'll explain. The email address that I send to generates a text message (it's T-Mobile's email to SMS gateway) and in the generated SMS they put the email address and the contents of the email body in ASCII. I use it to give my N95 bespoke push-email-esque behaviour ;-). When I receive an email it goes through a procmail rule that generates a timestamp and sends this as the body text of an email to the gateway which then ends up on my phone as an SMS. I then know I have to check my email server at some point since there is email there. For some reason in the SMS that T-Mobile generate gateway service uses the return-path from the email they receive rather than the From address to say who the email is from. So it's a reply, but not an email reply and their system is picking up the return-path despite me setting a valid From. Your suggestion of modifying /etc/mail-addresses has allowed me to get the correct return-path set on outbound emails and it now works. A Reply-To header may work (I might just try it to see anyway) but since the email is converted and forwarded to SMS rather than replied to with email semantics I'm not sure their system would take note of this header? From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Sep 26 14:00:41 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:00:41 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> Message-ID: <20080926120041.GA4696@weber> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 02:27:39PM +0100, Longman wrote: > What solutions are there? The ideal solution would perhaps to be to use an MTA that was designed for small scale use, always relaying to a smarthost. Exim was designed to run the Cambridge University mail system, after all! I don't know if any good programs fitting that description exist though. Anyone? Tom From marcus at quintic.co.uk Fri Sep 26 15:35:58 2008 From: marcus at quintic.co.uk (Marcus Williams) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:35:58 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <20080926120041.GA4696@weber> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <20080926120041.GA4696@weber> Message-ID: <1222436011-sup-7389@stampy> On 26.9.2008, Tom Ellis Huckstep wrote: > The ideal solution would perhaps to be to use an MTA that was designed for > small scale use, always relaying to a smarthost. Exim was designed to run > the Cambridge University mail system, after all! I don't know if any good > programs fitting that description exist though. Anyone? esmtp works pretty well for me - simple config file to specify where to poke stuff on a smarthost. I've used it in places where I've had autogenerated emails (from cron jobs etc) that need sending but no local mail is required. Marcus From tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk Fri Sep 26 18:48:34 2008 From: tom-lists-clug at jaguarpaw.co.uk (Tom Ellis) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:48:34 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <1222436011-sup-7389@stampy> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <20080926120041.GA4696@weber> <1222436011-sup-7389@stampy> Message-ID: <20080926164834.GB2992@weber> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 02:35:58PM +0100, Marcus Williams wrote: > On 26.9.2008, Tom Ellis Huckstep wrote: > > The ideal solution would perhaps to be to use an MTA that was designed for > > small scale use, always relaying to a smarthost. Exim was designed to run > > the Cambridge University mail system, after all! I don't know if any good > > programs fitting that description exist though. Anyone? > > esmtp works pretty well for me - simple config file to specify where > to poke stuff on a smarthost. I've used it in places where I've had > autogenerated emails (from cron jobs etc) that need sending but no > local mail is required. Cheers Marcus. The problem is, when I said "all mail" I meant "all mail that isn't to be delivered locally". But maybe esmtp can deal with that. I'll check it out. From wawrzek at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 23:15:54 2008 From: wawrzek at gmail.com (Wawrzyniec =?unknown-8bit?Q?Niewodnicza=F1ski?=) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:15:54 +0100 Subject: How to set envelope sender (MAIL FROM) using exim In-Reply-To: <20080926164834.GB2992@weber> References: <48DB91CB.8080207@gasops.co.uk> <20080926120041.GA4696@weber> <1222436011-sup-7389@stampy> <20080926164834.GB2992@weber> Message-ID: <20080926211553.GA13659@gmail.com> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 05:48:34PM +0100, Tom Ellis wrote: > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 02:35:58PM +0100, Marcus Williams wrote: [...] > > esmtp works pretty well for me - simple config file to specify where > > to poke stuff on a smarthost. I've used it in places where I've had > > autogenerated emails (from cron jobs etc) that need sending but no > > local mail is required. > > Cheers Marcus. The problem is, when I said "all mail" I meant "all mail > that isn't to be delivered locally". But maybe esmtp can deal with that. > I'll check it out. At the moment I'm using mutt + msmtp. It sends this email from my local machine via server on my (old) university, even if this message's from field is wawrzek at gmail.com Is it something want you want? -- Wawrzyniec Niewodnicza?ski vel Wawrzek, Larry or LarryN Linux User #177124 E-MAIL: wawrzek at gmail.com PhD in Quantum Chemistry WWW: http://wawrzek.name MSc in Molecular Engineering JID: larryn at chrome.pl